[robreke]

Interesting series with science to back it up regarding genetic inclinations which lead to being liberal or conservative.

It's quite possible they simply are predisposed to a life of being illogical:

[Sooth]

I've come to think of it simply as:

Left = Female
Right = Male

Which is why all the left leaning guys I know are bitches.

Reality doesn't matter to females. Since truth is that which corresponds to reality, they don't care so much about truth. And that's fine, as long as they never get into positions where they control more than what their kid is going to eat for breakfast.

Unfortunately the current culture is rushing over itself to let women run the world.

[DjembaDjemba]

(12-04-2015 12:14 PM)It_is_my_time Wrote:  

(12-04-2015 12:00 PM)DjembaDjemba Wrote:  

Agree with the posters who equate extreme left and extreme right. The extreme left is certainly a powerful force (possibly because liberalism has always been popular), but they're not calling for political deaths, culling the population, purgings, glorification of past racist policies, etc, that's some messed up stuff. They just bitch and moan, ridicule, and protest.

If the rule of law breaks down it doesn't matter who's holding the guns, communists or fascist, the end result looks eerelie similar.

This is getting off what I think the intent of the topic is. Of course the extreme on both sides is awful. Whether it is Hitler on the right or Stalin/Mao on the left, both are equally awful.

I think the discussion is more about the current modern day main stream liberal living in the west. The people who subscribe to...

- "Free" healthcare. Nothing is free, even children understand this.
- Gun control. Placing all faith in a govt. that cannot get anything right to magically protect you at all times.
- Open borders, just let anyone and everyone invade and welcome them.
- SJW views on life (feminism, victimhood mentality, etc.).

None of this is based on reality. They are based on dreams and ideas found in text books. And this is a growing trend that will bankrupt the west.

Then we agree fully. Your positions are closer to that of the centre right, which is about small governments, balanced budgets, moderate taxes, private entrepreneurship, healthy competition, and innovation. Essentially; rational conservatism (which I align myself with). This is the most effective ideology that has thus far created strong, stable, solid, economic growth. For those who wish to work hard and participate. The government is best relegated to a position of refereeing healthy competition, not picking winners and losers.

[It_is_my_time]

(12-05-2015 07:50 PM)DjembaDjemba Wrote:  

(12-04-2015 12:14 PM)It_is_my_time Wrote:  

(12-04-2015 12:00 PM)DjembaDjemba Wrote:  

Agree with the posters who equate extreme left and extreme right. The extreme left is certainly a powerful force (possibly because liberalism has always been popular), but they're not calling for political deaths, culling the population, purgings, glorification of past racist policies, etc, that's some messed up stuff. They just bitch and moan, ridicule, and protest.

If the rule of law breaks down it doesn't matter who's holding the guns, communists or fascist, the end result looks eerelie similar.

This is getting off what I think the intent of the topic is. Of course the extreme on both sides is awful. Whether it is Hitler on the right or Stalin/Mao on the left, both are equally awful.

I think the discussion is more about the current modern day main stream liberal living in the west. The people who subscribe to...

- "Free" healthcare. Nothing is free, even children understand this.
- Gun control. Placing all faith in a govt. that cannot get anything right to magically protect you at all times.
- Open borders, just let anyone and everyone invade and welcome them.
- SJW views on life (feminism, victimhood mentality, etc.).

None of this is based on reality. They are based on dreams and ideas found in text books. And this is a growing trend that will bankrupt the west.

Then we agree fully. Your positions are closer to that of the centre right, which is about small governments, balanced budgets, moderate taxes, private entrepreneurship, healthy competition, and innovation. Essentially; rational conservatism (which I align myself with). This is the most effective ideology that has thus far created strong, stable, solid, economic growth. For those who wish to work hard and participate. The government is best relegated to a position of refereeing healthy competition, not picking winners and losers.

That is great that we agree. That is the true red pill, freedom. Men need and crave freedom.

But my point was to not district from the debate and try to compare the extremes. Discussing the extreme left and right and saying both are equally bad takes away from the point. We must instead look at the main stream conservative v. the main stream liberal.

Our views are that of the main stream conservative. Less govt., more freedoms to allow healthy economic competition, and healthy family bonding.

The views of the main stream liberal, the stances of Obama and Hillary are that of feminism, "free" healthcare, "free" education, and SJW PC labeling. The average liberal today agrees with these stances. And none of them are based in reality. Nothing is free in life and feminism is a complete farce. Yet the average liberal buys into it. So this thread has done a great job of explaining why that is.

The extreme left is very evil as the extreme right. But the main stream right is realistic and the main stream left is based on a fantasy world and is going to destroy our peaceful society.

[Thoroughbred]

(11-28-2015 10:19 PM)nomadbrah Wrote:  

It's mostly a case of narcisistic personality disorder at subclinical levels:

(11-28-2015 10:21 PM)Libertas Wrote:  

It's a mental illness,

(11-29-2015 08:51 PM)Aurini Wrote:  

Liberalism is a mental illness

(11-30-2015 03:04 AM)Glaucon Wrote:  

I am more and more on the opinion liberals are not right in the head. Acting against reality is not normal.

(12-01-2015 12:44 PM)It_is_my_time Wrote:  

#2) Most the rest of the liberals are the weakest men. Not physically, but mentally.

Consider the fact that there is a growing body of evidence that most of your severe mental illnesses can be cured with large doses of certain vitamins and minerals:

http://orthomolecular.org/resources/omns/v01n11.shtml

http://discovermagazine.com/2005/may/vitamin-cure

http://www.altmedrev.com/publications/13/4/287.pdf


Consider this video posted on Mikes page a while back concerning the way the modern diet has developed and the inherent deficiencies that accumulate:

http://www.dangerandplay.com/2013/04/26/...er-muscle/


Consider a government that reacts like this when it's people attempt to access clean, whole, food:

Liberalism is a malnutritioned mental state, engineered and inflicted on a populace. The weakest and most constitutionally unsound comply. Simple.

(11-30-2015 02:49 AM)Wutang Wrote:  

A thought experiment to show my point: Sweden is seen as a utopia for leftists in the United States with Bernie Sanders being the biggest promoter of Nordic style socialism right now. People think that these societies are great because of their progressive values. Now imagine a place like Somalia or Ghana having their governments replaced with a bunch of Swedish feminists and leftists who start implementing Swedish style policies to in these nations. What would the result be? If if it true that it is progressive social policies and values that can transform a society into a prosperous one then Ghana and Somalia should bloom into flowers in the desert of Africa after a period of time.

I'm very open to the idea that I might be wrong. If there's one good thing coming out of the massive immigration to Sweden and other European socialist countries is that we're getting to an empirical social experiment being done in real time. Will these countries still be able to afford their free health care and free education and hold to their progressive values now their societies are being flooded with people from cultures where these values have never taken root? We will find out in the next few decades.

Consider another thought experiment:

Imagine a completely hostile alien race invading planet earth. This race makes no attempt at communicating with us, the inhabitants, what so ever. They slaughter us mindlessly wherever they appear in their invasion attempt. Wholesale murder on a massive, indiscriminate, scale.

Do you think there would be a movement in today's climate that would preach tolerance and acceptance of such a race?

I do.

[Glaucon]

(12-07-2015 08:41 AM)Ollave Wrote:  

Imagine a completely hostile alien race invading planet earth. This race makes no attempt at communicating with us, the inhabitants, what so ever. They slaughter us mindlessly wherever they appear in their invasion attempt. Wholesale murder on a massive, indiscriminate, scale.

Do you think there would be a movement in today's climate that would preach tolerance and acceptance of such a race?

I do.

haha, I immediately though of the Independence day scene of the Alien lover hippies just before the spaceships started firing: