[mixing]

How many of you hate your parents?

I hate my parents and I think it's because I'm evolved. I'm being serious, not trolling. What do you think of this idea?

This guy says the ego grows as humans evolve:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bCJOscgCc0

In an article he says this:

Quote:

Questions I received on egoism and its negative consequences:

Question: Sometimes you give simple interpretations of the source texts. For example, in one of the daily Kabbalah lessons you talked about the verse from the prophets, “One’s enemies are his family.” I have experienced this through the division of my family. My question is: when is it acceptable to interpret a text literally and when isn’t it?

My Answer: As time goes on, egoism develops and hence more hatred becomes revealed everywhere and in everything. As a result we are revealing that everyone hates everyone. Soon we will also reach the situation described in this verse.

Every verse has to be correct on every level. However, whether it has already been revealed in our world or not is a matter of time.

source: http://laitman.com/2008/09/the-consequen...ms-growth/

I think I'm ahead of the curve.

Why is it that there appears to be a lot more alienation in the West than in the Third World? Why is it that first generation immigrants from Arab countries and Africa always love their parents a lot?

[mixing]

why does it say male feminist?

[Paracelsus]

Any dickhead who follows the Kabbalah and believes one's enemies are his family is rather forgetting a rather significant commandment given by God via Moses about one's father and mother.

[Saweeep]

The day you can truly count yourself as a grown-up is the day that you accept that your parents are humans like any other.

Humans make mistakes...constantly.


Unfortunately the West is full of narcissistic-overgrown-children.

[mixing]

(11-22-2015 05:45 AM)Paracelsus Wrote:  

Any dickhead who follows the Kabbalah and believes one's enemies are his family is rather forgetting a rather significant commandment given by God via Moses about one's father and mother.

Ok. However, I'm not quite sure in this case if we're dealing with a descriptive or a normative doctrine. In other words if this is a matter that we have any free will in. If you hate your parents or not might not be something you can change, or at least not easily. That's the thing with the Arabs and Africans that I mentioned, because they take love for their parents totally for granted they believe you have a choice, and therefore if you choose to hate your parents you are a rotten person. Well, for one thing there is a much higher tax rate here than there is in their countries, and I think big government creates alienation. Furthermore I'm not sure big government can be changed, it might be inevitable.

(11-22-2015 05:54 AM)CrashBangWallop Wrote:  

The day you can truly count yourself as a grown-up is the day that you accept that your parents are humans like any other.

Humans make mistakes...constantly.


Unfortunately the West is full of narcissistic-overgrown-children.

I'm 31. That thing about being narcissitc overgrown children is interesting, I've been thinking about that. It's interesting to note that Arab men usually have more masculine features and character traits. I might be like a child in some ways, perhaps autistic or something, and physically I'm also weak, look very much younger than my age, have a thin beard, look kind of androgynous. And my character traits are perhaps somewhat androgynous too. This is interesting to compare to what's written in this article about a link between personality and physical traits:

http://www.innerexplorations.com/catpsy/t1c4.htm

If you scroll down to where it says "The Extreme Mesotonic - Action" and compare that to what it says under "The Extreme Ectotonic - Reflection" it appears to me that I'm very much ectotonic and most, if not all, Arabs and Africans are mesotonic.

Birth rate seems to go hand in hand with this. I have absolutely no desire to have children.

[The Beast1]

Very arrogant to think you're more "evolved" OP. You don't think your parents felt the same way about theirs?

I love my parents very much. I see them more as victims of a much larger set of circumstances that lead them to where they are today. Sadly, while my father has unplugged and escaped after two divorces , like most women my mother has doubled down on destructive behavior that will end up hurting my youngest sibling the most. History repeats itself. She probably won't learn her lesson until it's too late.

At first I hated her, but then I came to understand the nature of most women and why traditional societies win out every single time. Women need a hard and patient hand. They're effectively children and cower like most when presented with firm demands. If a woman acts out, punish accordingly. If she persists and craves the punishment, get the hell out of there.

OP, why don't you analyze them and their actions in the context of the environment they were raised in. Then do them a favor and show them where their actions are leading them. They'll either be bettered from your perspective or shun you. Either way, you conscience will be free of the guilt of not trying.

[LE50]

Saying you're not a troll does not make it so.

I think you are very much out to get some kind of fruitless, heated discussion going without having any interest to gain knowledge to improve yourself or further the understanding of yourself.

Just my impression though, and like my parents I make mistakes constantly.

I agree with CrashBangWallop and The Beast1.

[GlobalMan]

(11-22-2015 05:29 AM)mixing Wrote:  

How many of you hate your parents?

I hate my parents and I think it's because I'm evolved. I'm being serious, not trolling.

This doesn't make your belief any less ridiculous. More, actually.

[mixing]

(11-22-2015 06:21 AM)The Beast1 Wrote:  

Very arrogant to think you're more "evolved" OP. You don't think your parents felt the same way about theirs?

I love my parents very much. I see them more as victims of a much larger set of circumstances that lead them to where they are today. Sadly, while my father has unplugged and escaped after two divorces , like most women my mother has doubled down on destructive behavior that will end up hurting my youngest sibling the most. History repeats itself. She probably won't learn her lesson until it's too late.

At first I hated her, but then I came to understand the nature of most women and why traditional societies win out every single time. Women need a hard and patient hand. They're effectively children and cower like most when presented with firm demands. If a woman acts out, punish accordingly. If she persists and craves the punishment, get the hell out of there.

OP, why don't you analyze them and their actions in the context of the environment they were raised in. Then do them a favor and show them where their actions are leading them. They'll either be bettered from your perspective or shun you. Either way, you conscience will be free of the guilt of not trying.

It might be arrogant, but I'm not sure it is, because that's a value judgement based on emotion, whereas me being more evolved, if it's the case, is something that's independent of value judgement and emotion. What is, is. In just the same way though, your perception of something as being arrogant also just is, which makes the whole thing kind of a rabbit whole that I won't bother trying to penetrate.

Yes, I actually have been thinking very much about my parents as being a result of a larger context, that is definitely what I believe. Maybe that should mean I could let go of the hatred and love them, but it doesn't. Instead the hatred appears to be working as some kind of springboard in my mind for me to seek for truth, not only about their and my behavior but truth in general, Truth with a capital T I guess. Compare that to how Jesus is called the truth and the light, and how both the gospel of Thomas and the gospel of Luke (despite the commandment elsewhere in the Bible to honor you parents or whatever) say that you can only be a disciple of Jesus if you hate your parents. An analogy I use is that you can only see the stars in the sky at night. I kind of stole that from a video, although he didn't say that. Why is it that Arabs often hate Jews a lot? I have been speculating that there is a connection between loving those closest to you and hating those furthest from you. To me the hierarchy of people appears to be going upwards to where it's unclear where it emanates from, nobody seems to know who the most powerful people really are, because real power is invisible. Alienation goes hand in hand with oppression, it's a metaphysical conspiracy. And the way I view it is that this oppression, outwardly manifesting as mental disorder, has given me a different perception, i.e. you can only see the stars at night. I'm just speculating though, I don't know anything.

[Saweeep]

How old are you?

[mixing]

(11-22-2015 06:35 AM)LE50 Wrote:  

Saying you're not a troll does not make it so.

I think you are very much out to get some kind of fruitless, heated discussion going without having any interest to gain knowledge to improve yourself or further the understanding of yourself.

Just my impression though, and like my parents I make mistakes constantly.

I agree with CrashBangWallop and The Beast1.

"heated" implies emotion. You could hypothetically remove any emotion from the question and have a totally matter-of-fact discussion, where you're looking at the pure arguments, or assertions, dissect them and counter them. (I'm studying logic, I'm a beginner)

I don't think I'm a troll, but you might be right, I don't know.

Remember that there's a fine line between creativity and madness. Not saying I have either.

As for being a troll, I have actually noticed in myself that sometimes I seem to take an approach to people that is kind of centred around trying to shock the system, to try to evoke a reaction, for the purpose of making people think. When people are comfortable they tend to sink into a kind of state of mindlessness and mental stagnation or rigidity. It's a kind of mental terrorism or avant garde art. Ugly to some, but it might open minds; there's a fine line between evil and enlightenment, and ugly is a degree of evil.

(11-22-2015 06:37 AM)GlobalMan Wrote:  

(11-22-2015 05:29 AM)mixing Wrote:  

How many of you hate your parents?

I hate my parents and I think it's because I'm evolved. I'm being serious, not trolling.

This doesn't make your belief any less ridiculous. More, actually.

Ok. Interesting. I feel that I'm not able to come up with an interesting response right now. I'm very tired. I slept way too long. And my blood sugar is very low I think. I think I might have to go out and eat something and take a walk. There's no real food in my home.

[mixing]

(11-22-2015 06:53 AM)CrashBangWallop Wrote:  

How old are you?

31

[LEMONed IScream]

Ok, an absolute, define, troll. Banhammer incoming.

[Oz.]

You've evolved into a pretty butterfly congratulations

[The Beast1]

(11-22-2015 06:48 AM)mixing Wrote:  

(11-22-2015 06:21 AM)The Beast1 Wrote:  

Very arrogant to think you're more "evolved" OP. You don't think your parents felt the same way about theirs?

I love my parents very much. I see them more as victims of a much larger set of circumstances that lead them to where they are today. Sadly, while my father has unplugged and escaped after two divorces , like most women my mother has doubled down on destructive behavior that will end up hurting my youngest sibling the most. History repeats itself. She probably won't learn her lesson until it's too late.

At first I hated her, but then I came to understand the nature of most women and why traditional societies win out every single time. Women need a hard and patient hand. They're effectively children and cower like most when presented with firm demands. If a woman acts out, punish accordingly. If she persists and craves the punishment, get the hell out of there.

OP, why don't you analyze them and their actions in the context of the environment they were raised in. Then do them a favor and show them where their actions are leading them. They'll either be bettered from your perspective or shun you. Either way, you conscience will be free of the guilt of not trying.

It might be arrogant, but I'm not sure it is, because that's a value judgement based on emotion, whereas me being more evolved, if it's the case, is something that's independent of value judgement and emotion. What is, is. In just the same way though, your perception of something as being arrogant also just is, which makes the whole thing kind of a rabbit whole that I won't bother trying to penetrate.

The level of faux philosophy here. Your entire statement is a complete spaghetti mess of circular logic. Let me sum it up for you better than your freshmen year professor will. Life is cyclical. While history doesn't repeat, it certainly rhymes. Which leads me to your next paragraph:

(11-22-2015 06:48 AM)mixing Wrote:  

Yes, I actually have been thinking very much about my parents as being a result of a larger context, that is definitely what I believe. Maybe that should mean I could let go of the hatred and love them, but it doesn't. Instead the hatred appears to be working as some kind of springboard in my mind for me to seek for truth, not only about their and my behavior but truth in general, Truth with a capital T I guess. Compare that to how Jesus is called the truth and the light, and how both the gospel of Thomas and the gospel of Luke (despite the commandment elsewhere in the Bible to honor you parents or whatever) say that you can only be a disciple of Jesus if you hate your parents. An analogy I use is that you can only see the stars in the sky at night. I kind of stole that from a video, although he didn't say that. Why is it that Arabs often hate Jews a lot? I have been speculating that there is a connection between loving those closest to you and hating those furthest from you. To me the hierarchy of people appears to be going upwards to where it's unclear where it emanates from, nobody seems to know who the most powerful people really are, because real power is invisible. Alienation goes hand in hand with oppression, it's a metaphysical conspiracy. And the way I view it is that this oppression, outwardly manifesting as mental disorder, has given me a different perception, i.e. you can only see the stars at night. I'm just speculating though, I don't know anything.

Why are you reading the gospel of Thomas? Are you Christian? Have you re-read the new testament as an adult or are you working off of a previous interpretation through the filter of a childhood preacher?

Your entire mountain of text is presupposed on a poor understanding of Christianity and what it teaches. For starters, Jesus left you with one command and that is to love others as you love yourself. Read this to understand the one and only commandment you need to follow: http://www.returnofkings.com/33060/the-g...rule-works

Next, re-read the new testament. When you get a grasp of what it teaches go and do some readings on theology to get a grasp on how to analyze religious texts. Do not start reading Gnostic texts until you have a proper foundation in what the orthodoxy teaches and how to distill the meanings behind who wrote those old texts once again against the time period and culture in which it was written.

Finally, congrats we get it. You've unplugged, you're red pill, and you're starting to really think critically about the narratives you've been fed. However you're angry and we get that too. Everyone goes through that phase. Do yourself a favor and try to work through this phase as quickly as possible because the longer you stay there, the longer it will poison your relationship with others and make you bitter.

[Windom Earle]

I distinctly remember as a child (up until I was about 7 years old) that my parents were infallible and that every decision they made and action they took was universally and unequivocally "right".

I think this was just a result of effective parenting and a certain naivety of childhood. It did feel reassuring at the time, like how it felt to still have a genuine belief in Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny.

Since then, I've discovered that parents are only human (like CBW said), doing their best (in most circumstances) to raise their children.

To have hatred for the very people that gave you life and invested enormous amounts of time, energy and resources into bringing you up in the world is an unfathomable emotion to possess (unless you're female?)

OP, you sound like a cunt to be honest - with a banning imminent.

[mixing]

(11-22-2015 06:21 AM)The Beast1 Wrote:  

Very arrogant to think you're more "evolved" OP. You don't think your parents felt the same way about theirs?

I love my parents very much. I see them more as victims of a much larger set of circumstances that lead them to where they are today. Sadly, while my father has unplugged and escaped after two divorces , like most women my mother has doubled down on destructive behavior that will end up hurting my youngest sibling the most. History repeats itself. She probably won't learn her lesson until it's too late.

At first I hated her, but then I came to understand the nature of most women and why traditional societies win out every single time. Women need a hard and patient hand. They're effectively children and cower like most when presented with firm demands. If a woman acts out, punish accordingly. If she persists and craves the punishment, get the hell out of there.

OP, why don't you analyze them and their actions in the context of the environment they were raised in. Then do them a favor and show them where their actions are leading them. They'll either be bettered from your perspective or shun you. Either way, you conscience will be free of the guilt of not trying.

As I said I'm really tired now. (And besides I feel really stupid constantly anyway, and hate myself, whatever) But before I go out I will try to say something briefly about two things I saw in that post.

1) about punishing women

Yeah, I see where you're coming from, and I think liberalism is very relevant to the matter. Society appears to be going in the direction of feminism though, illusory women's rights. (in what way are they powerful if they have to be given room) "rent seeking" policies, the system is set up in such a way that it creates alienation and makes men more feminine and introvert etc. Not gonna elaborate on my thoughts. It remains to be seen what's gonna happen with the third world immigrants though. My point being that this whole thing about punishing women isn't really in line with what I'm getting at, I guess, it's kind of to zoom in too close, I'm thinking of not individual actions but where I am in a larger context. And then I mean that feminism might be part of the big goverment system, which might be an inevitable feature of evolution of society, as might alienation.

2) "do them a favor and show them where their actions are leading them."
No, I view my parents as puppets of the system. I see no point at all in that. I don't view this as something on individual level, evolution in this case refers to something that spans over thousands of years. One individual might be more evolved than others though, perhaps.

This video illustrates some ideas that I build upon:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_FanhvXO9Pk

I also find it interesting that Sam said the following elsewhere:

Quote:

solitary confinement-which is essentially what we are talking about-is considered a punishment inside a maximum-security prison. Even when forced to live among murderers and rapists, most people still prefer the company of others to spending any significant amount of time alone in a room. And yet contemplatives in many traditions claim to experience extraordinary depths of psychological well-being while living in isolation for vast stretches of time.

That is something that I've related to this whole thing. The Jews push all kinds of leftist policies in the West, which I think creates alienation. An alienated individual, although he might have people around him at times, is very much like that guy in solitary confinement, and hence also like those contemplatives.

Not sure how much sense I made. Bye for now. The sun goes down here in two hours or maybe less. I think I'm gonna try to get some daylight. (I'm unemployed right now also by the way.)

[realologist]

Guys. He said he was androgynous, weak, looks young and has trouble growing facial hair. He is either a low T hipsterish faggot trying to sound smart or a female. But I think everything is better now. I found the OP and



So he's no longer mad.

[Suits]

I'm trying to decide if this is an amusing troll or someone who takes himself very, very seriously.

[mixing]

(11-22-2015 07:10 AM)The Beast1 Wrote:  

(11-22-2015 06:48 AM)mixing Wrote:  

(11-22-2015 06:21 AM)The Beast1 Wrote:  

Very arrogant to think you're more "evolved" OP. You don't think your parents felt the same way about theirs?

I love my parents very much. I see them more as victims of a much larger set of circumstances that lead them to where they are today. Sadly, while my father has unplugged and escaped after two divorces , like most women my mother has doubled down on destructive behavior that will end up hurting my youngest sibling the most. History repeats itself. She probably won't learn her lesson until it's too late.

At first I hated her, but then I came to understand the nature of most women and why traditional societies win out every single time. Women need a hard and patient hand. They're effectively children and cower like most when presented with firm demands. If a woman acts out, punish accordingly. If she persists and craves the punishment, get the hell out of there.

OP, why don't you analyze them and their actions in the context of the environment they were raised in. Then do them a favor and show them where their actions are leading them. They'll either be bettered from your perspective or shun you. Either way, you conscience will be free of the guilt of not trying.

It might be arrogant, but I'm not sure it is, because that's a value judgement based on emotion, whereas me being more evolved, if it's the case, is something that's independent of value judgement and emotion. What is, is. In just the same way though, your perception of something as being arrogant also just is, which makes the whole thing kind of a rabbit whole that I won't bother trying to penetrate.

The level of faux philosophy here. Your entire statement is a complete spaghetti mess of circular logic. Let me sum it up for you better than your freshmen year professor will. Life is cyclical. While history doesn't repeat, it certainly rhymes. Which leads me to your next paragraph:

(11-22-2015 06:48 AM)mixing Wrote:  

Yes, I actually have been thinking very much about my parents as being a result of a larger context, that is definitely what I believe. Maybe that should mean I could let go of the hatred and love them, but it doesn't. Instead the hatred appears to be working as some kind of springboard in my mind for me to seek for truth, not only about their and my behavior but truth in general, Truth with a capital T I guess. Compare that to how Jesus is called the truth and the light, and how both the gospel of Thomas and the gospel of Luke (despite the commandment elsewhere in the Bible to honor you parents or whatever) say that you can only be a disciple of Jesus if you hate your parents. An analogy I use is that you can only see the stars in the sky at night. I kind of stole that from a video, although he didn't say that. Why is it that Arabs often hate Jews a lot? I have been speculating that there is a connection between loving those closest to you and hating those furthest from you. To me the hierarchy of people appears to be going upwards to where it's unclear where it emanates from, nobody seems to know who the most powerful people really are, because real power is invisible. Alienation goes hand in hand with oppression, it's a metaphysical conspiracy. And the way I view it is that this oppression, outwardly manifesting as mental disorder, has given me a different perception, i.e. you can only see the stars at night. I'm just speculating though, I don't know anything.

Why are you reading the gospel of Thomas? Are you Christian? Have you re-read the new testament as an adult or are you working off of a previous interpretation through the filter of a childhood preacher?

Your entire mountain of text is presupposed on a poor understanding of Christianity and what it teaches. For starters, Jesus left you with one command and that is to love others as you love yourself. Read this to understand the one and only commandment you need to follow: http://www.returnofkings.com/33060/the-g...rule-works

Next, re-read the new testament. When you get a grasp of what it teaches go and do some readings on theology to get a grasp on how to analyze religious texts. Do not start reading Gnostic texts until you have a proper foundation in what the orthodoxy teaches and how to distill the meanings behind who wrote those old texts once again against the time period and culture in which it was written.

Finally, congrats we get it. You've unplugged, you're red pill, and you're starting to really think critically about the narratives you've been fed. However you're angry and we get that too. Everyone goes through that phase. Do yourself a favor and try to work through this phase as quickly as possible because the longer you stay there, the longer it will poison your relationship with others and make you bitter.

Ok. Some interesting ideas. I'm studying religion and scripture in general, as fast as my feeble intellect allows, which isn't fast, and don't claim to know what any of it means.

You, and others, have a lot of emotion in the response to my points. A facepalm is definitely an emotional reaction, something you do when you have no real arguments. Emotion clouds the mind, clouds the vision of truth. That is something that is very much part of this whole subject, and that I've been thinking about. When my mind is full of hatred (an emotion) that creates that "night" scenario I mentioned, which leads to a kind of mental paralysis, but that's where I mean that you can't be a fighter and a seeker simultaneously. It appears to me that enlightenment goes hand in hand with death.

Also, please try to step outside of your preconcieved judgement, since that's what I'm trying to make people do here. (unsuccessfully it seems) I don't even know if that's possible though.

I reflect on my own mind too. For example, if everybody hated their parents and everybody thought that hating your parents goes hand in hand with being more evolved, which would mean I wouldn't be an outsider anymore in that context, would I then have an automatic response of trying to go against that? Maybe, I don't know. That is something I've related to the little I've read of Marxist theory, where there is something called the vanguard party and where there is also an idea of the dialectic, thesis-antithesis-synthesis, and about constantly criticizing the current paradigm, a kind of perpetual war if you will. My mind at times seems to have a very similar thing going on. Where there is peace, the Jews come in and deceive people with false flags and other kinds of manipulation to create war, or some degree of cold war, which spurs on evolution. That appears to be what my mind does a lot of times. Some kind of self-inflicted persecution, because it would rather have that than stagnate, and stagnation is what I see all around me.

[mixing]

(11-22-2015 07:49 AM)Suits Wrote:  

I'm trying to decide if this is an amusing troll or someone who takes himself very, very seriously.

might be two sides of the same coin

[Col. Tigh]

Suits, I don't think the two possibilities are mutually exclusive. The OP may very well be a troll, who takes himself very, very seriously...

In any event, his post smacks of several flavors of trolling: race/ethnicity trolling stood out in particular with the comments about Arabs and African immigrants.

[Suits]

(11-22-2015 05:31 AM)mixing Wrote:  

why does it say male feminist?

OP absolutely is a banned member who has spent a lot of time reading this forum. It's almost certain that he has been banned multiple times.

This post alludes to this popular "forum meltdown" thread: thread-32937.html

[Foolsgo1d]

I was about the post the same thing Suits.

Quick OP! To the avatar section and select "my ass, again".

[cascadecombo]