[Touche]

N00b here.

Background: I'm a 33 y old doctor. Divorced this year. I have a regular job but also do an extra 30-40 hours per week in various hospitals within an hour of my house. That means I'm usually mega busy, mega tired but flush with cash.

So I've been working in one hospital's Emergency Department on and off for about 5 years. I used to keep myself low key, didn't chat much, just get my work done and get outta there. That's one of 4 departments I book extra work in so if I stop going there it's no major loss.

About 6 months back I noticed a hot blonde girl working as a nursing assistant. She didn't wear much make up and didn't chat much... but I could see she was probably an 8.5 And so it began...

I'm a high status guy in that department. Everyone listens to me, the senior nurses (her bosses) come and ask for my advice etc. I started out making a little effort to chat to her. Joked around a bit. I found out she is a hardcore Christian and had been working on a Christian summer camp for 5 years in a row (red flag!). One evening I told her about one of my work trips abroad next year and she joked that she wanted to come too. I said she'd need to cook me dinner first and she seemed up for that. Towards the last 30 mins of my shift I could see her getting anxious, constantly looking at the clock and she asked me a couple of times if I was leaving soon. So I slipped her a note with my number on it.

Since then we've been msging but really I have no interest in being friends. I've always been going for multiple bangs. I set up a date, she felt ill so cancelled and rescheduled. The next week we had a walk through the countryside together. I bought her an icecream and touched her on the arms, shoulders and waist a lot. We went back to hers (lives alone) afterwards and I got some tongue action with any attempts at touching being quickly rejected despite attempted re-escalation probably 10 times. I had to call it a day because I had work so I left.

We continued to txt and I setup a second date. This time to a theme park which I'd been meaning to visit for a long while but never had the chance. I stepped up the touching and we both had a good time. Afterwards we went back to hers and again I got some kissing, she allowed me to mash her tits a bit but only over her shirt. She had strong resistance going on! I kept having breaks and re-escalating but didn't get anywhere.

I was more than a little annoyed at this point. But thought what do I'd give it a last shot? Went quite cold on her and said she'd need to cook me a meal for me to come round again. Gave her a date I was free, she bailed to see a male friend. Gave her another date... it was last chance saloon at this point. And she agreed. Made me a meal and watched a DVD. I can't remember anything about the movie as I was all over her. She still had strong resistance. I tried really really hard to escalate to the extent that I had a jokey semi-rape vibe going on! I managed to unclip her bra and that was it! Kicked out!

So I'm thinking it's a dead end by now.

She had a holiday planned. A week long beach holiday with a friend who she says is a complete slut (can sleep with 2 guys a night, every night etc). During the holiday she msgs me to say she was really sorry but felt we could only be friends as religion was too much of an issue for her. I replied "lol, k" and went radio silent.

About 2 weeks later I'm at work and she see her there. She starts joking that I'm not talking to her anymore. I joke back that I'd been "binned" so what did she expect? She starts txting again but I keep things quite cold. Then it seems she starts to chase me. She makes an effort to come and find me and flirt at work... to the extent that rumours start flying around the department about us. I still keep things relatively cold. Then she starts telling me she wants me to take her to the zoo! She sends me a pic of her getting ready for work with some boob exposed and a caption "I need cuddles". Eventually I give her a weekend I'm free but she says she has a friend visiting. I tell her to blow them off but she wouldn't. So I go cold again. She asks what's up and I basically say I have plenty of friends and that I have a new female interest who isn't anywhere as much hard work. She acts butt hurt but then sends me her calendar and asks me to pick a date for the zoo.

We go to the zoo, see some animals screwing with each other, and go for dinner. There's loads of playful flirting and we go back to hers again. I go in for a kiss and she initially rejects me but I just turn her head back and get some tongue action. We make out and I kiss her neck, ears, top of her chest and then suck on her nipples. That's as far as she would let me go. Any attempts to get into her knickers gets me swatted away. I keep trying but all I can manage is to get between her legs in the missionary position and dry hump her like that. Its like her clothes are superglued on. The day before she had joked that her pussy was out of action so I assume she was on her period.. and I have work that night anyway so I call it a day and leave.

The other night I told her that my other female friend wants to visit the local Christmas market. She asked to be taken there too!

The end of next week we're both working a Friday night but have the rest of the weekend off. My plan is to take her back to her house in the morning and have a "nap" before we set off for the day. She will almost certainly need some sleep after working a night shift.

Odds of a bang? Comments? Any advice? I'm a noob here but can take criticism.

[Travesty]

Unless you want to marry this chick you could have probably banged 5 college girls off Seeking Arrangement that are as good looking with your bankroll.

[Latan]

I'm a total noob concerning "religious" girls, so keep that in mind.

To me, she constantly tries to set up the pace: no sex, take me there, buy me shit, reschule because I see a friend, ...
And you accepted some of it; so even if you showed distance and non thirstiness, I don't think you've a good chance of banging her.

If I were in your shoes, I'd refuse the Christmas market thing, saying that you want to spend time with your friend at this event, but that you'd be free later that night to see a DVD (or whatever excuse makes the most sense) at her home / yours.
If no bang or excuse not to see you near a bed, next her.

Must be hard to meet new women with such a tight schedule, good luck whatever your decide to do.

[Dalaran1991]

What a waste of time yeah. While some girls will make you work for it there's a clear line between not wanting to feel like a slut/wanting something serious and just playing game with you. From what I read she doesn't show any real interest in you other than the simple validation.

Don't believe those religious bullshit girls spit out, especially if she been working on a summer camp and has slutty friends. Big slut tell.

If you can bring her to your pad while not, but really this should be the last time and if you don't have anything else to do. I would try to get some wine involved.

If she is still putting up shit, tell her to get out of the house and DO kick her out, then block her from your life altogether. With your status you should be rolling in pussies rather than this headache.

Cut off some of your time working to go out and game. Pays off a lot more than this girl.

[BassPlayaYo]

This woman isn't going to give you any pussy, is she was, you would have gotten it already.

[Going strong]

"a hardcore Christian and had been working on a Christian summer camp for 5 years in a row"

compare with:
"She sends me a pic of her getting ready for work with some boob exposed and a caption "I need cuddles". " hardcore Christian, my arse

" We make out and I kiss her neck, ears, top of her chest and then suck on her nipples. That's as far as she would let me go. Any attempts to get into her knickers gets me swatted away."

There lies your mistake: any woman who, on a third date, lets you suck on her nipples, you have to put your hand in her "knickers", she wants it and her LMR at that point is just token. She "swats your hand away" while you suck on her nipples? Are you a fly to be that easily "swatted away"? No way, man, be strong and get your hand in, under those circumstances. I mean, 3d date and sucking on her nipples, you are allowed to get tough at that point...

Now, if you really cannot force yourself into action, use alcohol (like Dalaran said). Reading your post, every time you got teased and refused, I thought: this guy should share a drink or two with this woman. Alcohol has been invented for that very reason, my friend: to break the awkward LMR between kissing+caressing and making love...

[Travesty]

For that third date I agree. More alcohol, when in doubt whip it out.

[LINUX]

Like Travesty said..

Candy is Dandy..
But liquor is quicker.

[Touche]

Lol, alcohol isn't an option when you have work as a doctor that evening and need to drive 30 mins to work too... But point noted, my logistics could have been better.

The thing with this girl is that the initial approach was very easy (i don't approach much because I'm always working and its not really appropriate at work) but its dragged on too long now. I might drop that id need a nap in her bed after this night shift. Is she agrees proceed, of not cancel...

She is multiple bang material, not wife material.

[SomeFcksGiven]

If she's re-initiating after you go cold there may be some interest there. It could be that she's one of those coveted unicorns who doesn't ride the carousel and wants a traditional relationship. Or she could just be a cock-teasing attention whore. It's nearly impossible to tell the difference (unless you pick up on slut-tells). But your reaction should be the same in either case:

Keep banging other girls, push/pull with this girl and remain aloof around her. Let her be the one to do the chasing.

If she wants to get together on an evening when you're not banging Nurse BettyBigTits, there's no harm in that. Just be sure alcohol is involved.

The beauty of alcohol isn't necessarily the inhibition-reducing effect it has on women, the real benefit is it gives their hamster a way to rationalize having sex with you.

"I can't believe I let him bend me over the table and fuck me silly. I was soooo drunk last night! tee hee"

Sure you were bitch. That one and a half vodka cranberries you had really sent you over the edge.

[LINUX]

(11-05-2015 02:54 PM)Touche Wrote:  

Lol, alcohol isn't an option when you have work as a doctor that evening and need to drive 30 mins to work too... But point noted, my logistics could have been better.

The thing with this girl is that the initial approach was very easy (i don't approach much because I'm always working and its not really appropriate at work) but its dragged on too long now. I might drop that id need a nap in her bed after this night shift. Is she agrees proceed, of not cancel...

She is multiple bang material, not wife material.

We are not serious bro. You're problem is your game, not the lack of alcohol. Be more aggressive. Stop taking chicks to the zoo, especially if your time is limited. She obviously likes you if you've been on 3 dates with her but you might be giving off the future husband vibe while the kid working down at GNC making 8 bucks an hour is tagging her at night.

Nurses are sluts, everyone knows that.

[Cyclone419]

Hey Doc, your getting played. Next her and move on, you've wasted too much time as it is.

[heavy]

A lot of newb stuff in there.

The bad:
- Using words instead of actions...to chics, words are just pandering
- No congruency...you don't want friends you want to fuck, but you take her for a walk and for ice cream...just take her for drinks
- Never explain...when she asks complains you aren't talking to her, just smirk your badass doctor smirk and act ignorant. Don't explain, let her.
- Really excited about a date..."Then she starts telling me she wants me to take her to the zoo!" and the other exclamation point
- Free up a weekend for a girl you aren't fucking
- Bad bluff..."I have plenty of friends" but I will free up a weekend or whenever just to hang out with one chic. My advice...just don't say it. Never explain
- LMR and rejection...this is just experience. If she rejects you 9 times, don't go for a 10th without time and changing strategy. The Einstein quote.

The good:
- You're a doctor
- $$
- Going cold on her. This is an excellent tactic on a chic you'll see somewhat regularly.
- Pre-selected...your other chic friend

Just forget about her and move on. She might come around sometime and want to fuck, but as long as she is your goal, she probably won't.

Welcome to the paradox.

[Balkan]

(11-05-2015 04:27 PM)heavy Wrote:  

A lot of newb stuff in there.

The bad:
- Using words instead of actions...to chics, words are just pandering
- No congruency...you don't want friends you want to fuck, but you take her for a walk and for ice cream...just take her for drinks
- Never explain...when she asks complains you aren't talking to her, just smirk your badass doctor smirk and act ignorant. Don't explain, let her.
- Really excited about a date..."Then she starts telling me she wants me to take her to the zoo!" and the other exclamation point
- Free up a weekend for a girl you aren't fucking
- Bad bluff..."I have plenty of friends" but I will free up a weekend or whenever just to hang out with one chic. My advice...just don't say it. Never explain
- LMR and rejection...this is just experience. If she rejects you 9 times, don't go for a 10th without time and changing strategy. The Einstein quote.

The good:
- You're a doctor
- $$
- Going cold on her. This is an excellent tactic on a chic you'll see somewhat regularly.
- Pre-selected...your other chic friend

Just forget about her and move on. She might come around sometime and want to fuck, but as long as she is your goal, she probably won't.

Welcome to the paradox.

This. Tough love is the best love. Gringuito touched on this in the SA thread, when girls know about your status/bankroll it can magically turn hoes into housewives. Adjust your game accordingly.

Read this. It should have been your strategy from day 1.
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[heavy]

(11-05-2015 04:33 PM)Balkan Wrote:  

This. Tough love is the best love. Gringuito touched on this in the SA thread, when girls know about your status/bankroll it can magically turn hoes into housewives. Adjust your game accordingly.

Read this. It should have been your strategy from day 1.
thread-8681.html

Yeah it's interesting. I make a decent living, but I'm not bankrolling by any stretch, and my car and apartment would suggest I'm even more humble than I am. But I have a great body and can come off as a bit of an asshole, so...

Oftentimes, chics want to fuck me for the sake of fucking. They want to be friends with benefits, or just fuck whenever they need it. Which, while I have been disappointed at chics not wanting more, I'm ok with at this point in my life.

Ying-yang sorta thing.

Friends, lovers, or nothing...there can only be one.

OP my take was a bit harsh, but you said you could take criticism. Dude you're sitting on top of the world, doctor, $$, single, divorced (learned your lesson)...enjoy the process a bit.

[eradicator]

You are letting her set the frame too much, and wear the pants and make the decisions. And yeah, you could have certainly escalated harder, the period shit test is really just that, a shit test. And you failed. If she tries to use "I am on my period" as a shit test, go and grab a towel from the bathroom and lay it down. Tell her you got your red wings a long time ago, and that women are actually hornier on their period so the sex is hotter.

Granted, it isn't a 100% lock, but I think you could have pressed harder for sex, sure she is trying to get what she wants, to I guess lock down a doctor on her terms, but you want to bang, so do what you have to do to make that happen(escalate harder, be more aggressive sexually) etc.

She is clearly interested but you are letting her wear the pants too much. Step up your game and get more sexual. Get her back to your place, you are the hotshot doctor, you can tell her, "hey you want to see me, just come over x night after work". And then try to escalate like mad.

[sour grapes]

You just got divorced - which means you likely lack game skills bc you were married. So you see this blonde nursing assistant in your department and you want to game her -- and to top it off she is a religious kind of girl.

Personally I think you are playing with fire. I would not game anyone at work especially being a doctor who needs to safeguard their reputation.

If you keep at her, she will likely eventually give in. She is attracted to your status and wallet - not your game. But what happens after you get her? That is when the real problems can begin. Gossip and her wanting revenge. If you want to marry this girl then go her it.

If not, stay away from anyone in your line of work.

[Tigre]

(11-05-2015 02:54 PM)Touche Wrote:  

She is multiple bang material, not wife material.

This is why you're at an impasse.

She wants a relationship, you just want a no strings attached hookup.

You have provider appeal. She's presenting you the good girl profile.

This might be a good time to reconsider your priorities. If your lifestyle is out of balance (all work and no play), you have the power to change that.

[Pyrrhic victory]

Why are you messing around with coworkers? You just got divorced. You are bouncing back right now and need to hook up before contemplating anything serious. Go online and find a couple of holes to fill up and go onto the next.

I have a similar work schedule and put in 70 to 80 hour weeks. But never mess around with any one that has two degrees of separation with my work. It's not worth the stretch.
Like you I am flush with cash and just don't have time for the hearsay once the hookups dryup.

Also on top of all of this She's already established control and is pushing you in whatever direction she wants. The last Mexican girl I talked to was religious and would only kiss on 2nd date. When I went to pick her up for 3rd date and she was 10 minutes late getting ready I said the hell with this I'm not waiting. I just went home , made an avocado cheeseburger with baked sweet potato fries and watched a Christmas story ( way after the holidays too)

She almost ripped my clothes off the next time we got together after I froze her out and punished her like that. Regaining loss of control is futile. Drop this girl and find a slut.

[Rawmeo]

If you're really a doctor full of cash, and aged only 33, you should be swimming in a sea of pussies. Not running after a "Hardcore Christian" girl. If she had a previous partner, she isn't a hardcore Christian, but rather a headache that is making you work too hard for the bang. You can make her come to your place, but if she doesn't put out, or starts giving shit, kick her out and be firm.

[LA Savage]

You are a doctor at the age of 33. That is an amazing accomplishment. Stop chasing this girl and replace her already because she seems to be controlling every aspect of the relationship on her terms and not yours. It's like your letting your patient tell you what to do at each step and tell you all your diagnosis, prognosis, Rx, recommendations etc... are wrong and you are accepting it.

You are a Doctor!!! You save peoples lives for a living. It's her loss not yours. You gave her plenty of chances already. So keep it moving you are still young and have the whole world in your hands. Improve your game by dating other girls and not putting any girls ever on a pedestal.

Always Be Replacing Not Chasing and have an Abundance Mentality.



I dressed up as a Doctor in Hollywood this past Halloween and gaming as a doctor is so much easier.

It was a lot of fun and girls were coming up to me asking me what type of doctor I was and I would either tell them I am a sex doctor. or for the older girls I would say I'm a Freelance Gynecologist. It ended up being a very fun night with the ladies.

I had my Stethoscope on my neck, my white lab coat from my chemistry class, some medical gloves and face mask, etc... if only I had a pulse oximeter and name badge with codes from this prestigious hospital hospital I volunteered at a while I was there. I would have been actively telling girls to make appointments for a physical exam later.

[Hairz]

Sounds like she's fucking with you. Drop her. Next time she talks to you ask her for blowjob.

[PapayaTapper]

(11-05-2015 04:27 PM)heavy Wrote:  

A lot of newb stuff in there.

The bad:
- Using words instead of actions...to chics, words are just pandering
- No congruency...you don't want friends you want to fuck, but you take her for a walk and for ice cream...just take her for drinks
- Never explain...when she asks complains you aren't talking to her, just smirk your badass doctor smirk and act ignorant. Don't explain, let her.
- Really excited about a date..."Then she starts telling me she wants me to take her to the zoo!" and the other exclamation point
- Free up a weekend for a girl you aren't fucking
- Bad bluff..."I have plenty of friends" but I will free up a weekend or whenever just to hang out with one chic. My advice...just don't say it. Never explain
- LMR and rejection...this is just experience. If she rejects you 9 times, don't go for a 10th without time and changing strategy. The Einstein quote.

The good:
- You're a doctor
- $$
- Going cold on her. This is an excellent tactic on a chic you'll see somewhat regularly.
- Pre-selected...your other chic friend

Just forget about her and move on. She might come around sometime and want to fuck, but as long as she is your goal, she probably won't.

Welcome to the paradox.

^^^^OP There's gold in several of the posts but this is your answer in a nutshell.