[Dr. Howard]

(10-31-2015 08:42 PM)VforVlad Wrote:  

(10-31-2015 08:12 PM)Dalaran1991 Wrote:  

How can a girl with lower SMV value than yours ever be worthy of LTR material?

You are kidding yourself if you think that once you are tired of banging hot sluts you would be cool with settling down with a plain Jane.

There are virtuous AND attractive women out there, you just need to put in the work to find them, which is why we bang indiscriminately but screen heavily for LTR material.

The path of least resistance is also the least rewarding.

I mean, it depends on what you think a LTR is. I'm not looking to wife her up or have children.

She is essentially my shooting target for practice/companionship and everything else. I can game her and I can relax at times and get away with it, knowing what she is and how she behaves (observations which I may not have picked up on a few years ago, pre-red pill).

It's a common theme around these parts of how average looking girls get the much better looking men, usually getting pump and dumped. The guy simply had the genetic lottery of being tall and attractive but otherwise nothing, using his looks for a few easy lays because he simply can't get anything above that level. Similarly the girl herself might have a female red pill moment where she knows that's all she is ever gonna get out of these guys, and not sweat it and simply enjoy the sex with much hotter man. In my case in this particular scenario (which is real, and not made up), I don't pump and dump the 19 year old overweight cutie but take the "one man's trash is another men's treasure" approach in realizing the potential with this girl. That I can do things with this girl that the other guy (or guys) who just relied on looks but otherwise probably had no red pill oriented game or knowledge didn't do and were passing through with a hook-up.

I can use my game & looks combination which is otherwise good enough to score some decent to good looking girls for a ONS, and apply it to her. The combination of my strengths and her weaknesses is the reason why I used the ROY JONES JR, Boxing analogy. If anybody knows Roy Jones, they know what I'm talking about.

Mind you, she is 19 (her biggest asset) so the mileage by default is lower, and it's most likely other Teenager boys that plowed her a few times, not experienced men with higher notch counts (which increases the chance of diseases).

If you were looking to wife her up or looking to have kids (do not impregnate, she will only get fatter) I would say DO IT. These are loyal women that become like cult followers. They will rationalize cheating, especially if its just some 3some where they watch. I would highly recommend a young 'cute' 6 to any man who has been divorced and has kids. These girls have low expectations, zero shit tests and will happily support you and/or pick up the slack if you pour your time into work, hobbies or essentially anything but other girls. Essentially, they are like the gender equivalent to the 'beta provider', but not in a negative sense. Their loyalty can be respected.

However, if you are just looking for an LTR or bang. Don't. Your dick will hate you, you will cheat on her and just turn her into some sort of messed up alpha widow that eats her depression etc. Also, you'll drop your own social proof with other pictures if your social media streams are full of you with pictures in public with a frumpy girl.

edit: I'm also assuming that this girl looks like Anne from Arrested development

[VforVlad]

Check your messages Dr. Howard.

[Rush87]

Sounds exactly how the typical Australian male thinks. You have a lot of decently good looking guys, educated, earn good money. They bag a girl a few levels below themselves so that they can control the relationship. Keep the balance of power. Do what ever they want whenever they want etc etc… Unfortunately after a while I suspect that even the lower SMV girl will become too big for her boots if you don't keep up your game…

…In that respect I don't really see the point. I'd rather enjoy the sex, looks, game, invest as much as I can afford without sacrificing other elements of my life and if the relationship runs it's course be prepared to walk away. You'd be amazed how much power the willingness to walk has and at the end of the day, irrespective of a females outside appearance that brain on the inside is still more or less wired the same.

[Dr. Howard]

(11-04-2015 12:04 AM)VforVlad Wrote:  

Check your messages Dr. Howard.

There is a tradeoff here, as there is with any girl. I will stick by my guns with my previous advice. This girl is like having a government job. You won't get rich or famous but you also won't have to work hard. Your friend's won't high five you and you will probably wrinkle your brow when you see way hotter girls at the gym. She will age poorly and quickly. Just because you like the gym, it doesn't mean she will. I see plenty of guys at the gym that bring in their dumpy looking wives.

HOWEVER, if you are ok with that, there are upsides. She will be subservient. She is 19 and will be curious and malleable so you can easily have her shop for 3somes...however those girls will be only of equal caliber to her...do two 5's make a 10? No.

DO NOT LET HER HAVE KIDS. An unfit, chubby body will be destroyed by pregnancy. Adopt at most.

DO NOT LET HER GET FIT. Crazy advice right? wrong. If she is with you in an LTR and suddenly turns into a crossfit superstar she will wonder how much higher she can go and will become an attention whore, if not a cheater.

DO NOT DATE SHORT TERM. Being seen with this girl will only damage your social proof with other girls that are hotter. This will hurt your dating prospects in the short term. This is irrelevant in the long term or marriage.