[Druber]

(10-24-2015 12:47 AM)Phoenix Wrote:  

(10-24-2015 12:31 AM)Druber Wrote:  

This is my kinda thinking, too, esp with either day/night game (I'm a beginner doing days).

Instead of rambling for 10 mins, just show your intention from the word go. If she refuses, then I'll give her once more try by offering my business card, and say: '...well, in case you change your mind'.

Pointless, 100% they'll never call that card. The purpose of "rambling" is to attempt to demonstrate your non-physical attributes. This is why even GLL doesn't just say "hey wanna fuck?". He would if that were effective, but he always has to chat for a while before the chick is comfortable. Even if a chick is sold immediately on your looks, biologically she still wants to know you don't have mental problems or other non-physical defects.

Agree in general, but I wouldn't discount direct.

Re the card; there may be a time where the chick had a blow out with her partner, is feeling quite horny, etc, and then remembers that ballsy guy who approached her. Although she was taken back, she kinda digs your style/looks, etc. Then maybe she texts you, and then, hopefully, leads to a bang.

[Giovonny]

I want to comment on the "texting for logistics only" vs. "texting to build attraction" debate..

Texting for logistics only:

- no humor
- no passion
- no fun
- no wit
- no rapport
- no dialogue
- stiff
- dry
- without personality
- robotic

Texting to build attraction:

- fun
- humor
- passion
- personality
- commonalities
- communication
- dialogue

Isn't it obvious which one is better?

Most times, a girl will not come and meet you unless you have built some type of rapport with her. A text conversation is an opportunity to build a bit of rapport.

The problem, from my perspective, is that most guys are not good at texting. They want to minimize their texting so as to minimize their chances of saying something stupid. When you become skilled and confident in your texting, texting becomes a helpful tool rather then something to avoid.

That said, I'm not sure you can build "attraction" over text but you can certainly built rapport, connection, and commonality.

I encourage more dynamic and creative texting like sending pics, videos, etc.

When my text game was shitty, I texted for "logistics only". Now that my text game is more clever and humorous, I text to built rapport and connection.

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[HankMoody]

(10-24-2015 08:18 AM)Giovonny Wrote:  

I want to comment on the "texting for logistics only" vs. "texting to build attraction" debate..

Texting for logistics only:

- no humor
- no passion
- no fun
- no wit
- no rapport
- no dialogue
- stiff
- dry
- without personality
- robotic

Texting to build attraction:

- fun
- humor
- passion
- personality
- commonalities
- communication
- dialogue

Isn't it obvious which one is better?

Most times, a girl will not come and meet you unless you have built some type of rapport with her. A text conversation is an opportunity to build a bit of rapport.

The problem, from my perspective, is that most guys are not good at texting. They want to minimize their texting so as to minimize their chances of saying something stupid. When you become skilled and confident in your texting, texting becomes a helpful tool rather then something to avoid.

That said, I'm not sure you can build "attraction" over text but you can certainly built rapport, connection, and commonality.

I encourage more dynamic and creative texting like sending pics, videos, etc.

When my text game was shitty, I texted for "logistics only". Now that my text game is more clever and humorous, I text to built rapport and connection.

Good post.

That said, I am still of the belief that you cannot generate much attraction through texting. She texts her girlfriends for fun and entertainment. Nothing is more beta than the guy who derives enjoyment from texting back and forth with women.

Personally I find texting boring, the exchanges vapid, and that it is a distraction from my work. When I'm on the phone with a client or in a meeting, the last thing I'm thinking about is how you say this cute dog on the street, or how much you want a hamburger tonight. I'm busy doing stuff that matters.

After a few years of refining it, I tend to still use mostly laconic texting (logistics), with some dry humor here and there, and maybe a picture of what I'm doing. I text in all lower case. I ignore texts a lot, too.

That said, I think it varies depending on your personality. This was an article on ROK that talks about the "Alpha Archetypes":

http://www.returnofkings.com/52130/analy...archetypes

I fit "The Conqueror" to a T, so my text game is extremely congruent with my personality. ("I'm out doing important shit, don't interrupt me, we can fuck it out next week in Cabo.") That might not work for everyone else.

That said, "logistic only" texts are certainly safe and won't steer you wrong. You won't win any games, but you won't lose any either. I tend to see more guys lose bangs through bad texting, then guys who get bangs through good texting.

[Vaun]

(10-24-2015 09:54 AM)HankMoody Wrote:  

That said, I am still of the belief that you cannot generate much attraction through texting. She texts her girlfriends for fun and entertainment. Nothing is more beta than the guy who derives enjoyment from texting back and forth with women.

Text communication has evolved rapidly. You could apply Moore's Law to it, people are texting now like they speak. If you're not in your early 20's, or a rabid texter like this generation, it could easily pass you by. Its like enhanced conversation. Add in a few GIF's and emojis, for most of these girls that produces more tingles than talking. I would also recommend getting familiar with Snapchat. I have no concern about "looking beta." My goal is to make a solid connection with an attractive women, then seal the deal whatever it may be, bang, instadate, mini-LTR whatever. Do you only have logical, laconic conversations in person with the women you date? To each his own, but to me texting is now talking. And for most of the girls you date, especially 18-25, they have never even once had this debate in their heads, this is just the way it is and has always been.

I hear you about being busy. I rarely reply within an hour, unless I am laying around doing nothing. I often reply many hours later. You kind of have to roll with it and improvise on your feet like a jazz musician, some girls will drop everything and meet you, some will need a little more convincing. Logistics only in my experience only scares more girls off, than is beneficial for "appearing alpha." I think if you let a girl get a taste of who you are through some initial back and forth, it can increase her interest in seeing you again. And this is the toughest part with day game.

[DVY]

How do I improve my texting skills?

I am straight up terrible at it, but extremely strong in person.

I've been doing logistics only texts and it seems to work ok BUT I do know I have room for improvement.

Its kind of a rut because I kill it so hard in person and rely on that to carry me forward. I've meet a few girls for less than 5 mins and its hard to get those ones out. I think my text game would tip that over BUT I don't get enough constructive practice

Thoughts?

[Vaun]

(10-24-2015 10:51 AM)DVY Wrote:  

How do I improve my texting skills?

I am straight up terrible at it, but extremely strong in person.

I've been doing logistics only texts and it seems to work ok BUT I do know I have room for improvement.

Its kind of a rut because I kill it so hard in person and rely on that to carry me forward. I've meet a few girls for less than 5 mins and its hard to get those ones out. I think my text game would tip that over BUT I don't get enough constructive practice

Thoughts?

Get on Snapchat - the cadence, tone, humor, etc is all there. From there you can learn how to react to it better.

[Phoenix]

(10-24-2015 10:51 AM)DVY Wrote:  

Thoughts?

Have you tried calling them, and mentioning at the end of the approach that you will? Maybe get them to tell you when they're usually free to take a call, then message then to ask if they can take a call etc. A voice is always more 'embodied' and real, so a call makes more of an impact and is more efficient anyway. You don't have to learn anything, you can just converse like normal. GLL doesn't appear to text much, he just asks them to take a call.

[Onto]

(10-24-2015 11:05 AM)Phoenix Wrote:  

(10-24-2015 10:51 AM)DVY Wrote:  

Thoughts?

Have you tried calling them, and mentioning at the end of the approach that you will? Maybe get them to tell you when they're usually free to take a call, then message then to ask if they can take a call etc. A voice is always more 'embodied' and real, so a call makes more of an impact and is more efficient anyway. You don't have to learn anything, you can just converse like normal. GLL doesn't appear to text much, he just asks them to take a call.

"Back when I was a kid." (Insert old man icon) Cell phones didn't even exist. The internet didn't exist. Email didn't exist. All we had were what they now call "land-lines".

You had to have great spoken-phone game. Nowadays it's completely different as Vaun rightly points out. Earlier this year I had a 28 yr old J-girl open me up at a Starbuck in Manhattan by asking to share my table. We talked for over 3 hours, got her number and instead of texting days later, I decided to call.

I think that was a big mistake on my part because nothing sucks more than leaving a voice mail and I felt like I scared the cat. She probably thought, "OMG, he called me. That's weird." She didn't call back, but texted instead.

Direct approach is fine, but unlike a man who knows instantly if they want to fuck a chick, women need time to sort through their "feelings". This is what she's doing while we're talking/texting, etc.

She doesn't even know what she's going to do until her feelings are finally clear. This is why building comfort, using distance, push/pull, changing venues, and all the rest are necessary. It gives her the time needed.

And she's completely dark to it all. In the end she'll tell her friends, "I don't know, it just kinda happened."

It's similar to having a new cat let you pet it, or even have it approach you. You need to show interest in it, take it slow, and give it time to sort through it's feelings (a.k.a instinct) otherwise we scare the cat.

Cat's are a symbol for the feminine, and you can learn something about women from them.

OGNorCal, I know how you feel. I don't even want to open American girls anymore because I just don't want to deal with their personalities. For me it's just not worth it anymore. Did it for 30 years and I think I'm done, especially after spending 2 months in SEA running day game constantly.

Talk about the rewards!!!! Not only do you get a more beautiful woman, but one that has a much more pleasant and sweet character.

[XXL]

(10-22-2015 06:31 PM)OGNorCal707 Wrote:  

I'm starting to think that a more direct approach may be better, although both methods have their pros and cons. Going direct is more high risk/high reward, it leaves the potential to crash and burn, but at least it cuts to the point and makes your intentions clear, and doesn't beat around the bush.

The approach I'm thinking of is something along the lines of "excuse me, I know this may seem kind of random, but you caught my eye from across the aisle, I think you're very beautiful and wanted to come over and introduce myself."

This method requires a lot more confidence and frame control, but I feel like if you can pull it off it will make you look like a badass and immediately screen out chicks, because if they respond well you're intentions have been made clear and thus should give a higher chance of them coming through, versus a more ambiguous indirect approach. Plus it cuts the chase a bit more and won't require 10-20 minutes of conversation like an indirect elderly approach, which may not be feasible if a woman is intent of getting stuff done and going on with her day.

Is anyone running more direct day game like this? I know thing method is kind of easier said then done, and require more balls than an elderly opener, I understand Roosh's logic in not scaring away the cat, but if the chances are that the cat doesn't have much time to chat, or will flake anyway, wouldn't more direct be the way?

About that line...

You wouldn't scare the cat with that line simply because the girl that you approach out of the blue wouldn't even hear you well [wouldn't register the intent behind your words] if you told her that phrase as your first words. I'm pretty sure the girl would ask "what?" or something like that.

The second thing about that line is that it's so direct that it sounds like a pickup line. On the other hand you're that people are not usually open to having long conversation about things they buy [too indirect]. So what you want to do is combine both by shooting some comment about thing she does and link it to your interest so that she knows it's not just.

For example, saying "hey [pause so that she looks at you and snaps out of her current thought patters] don't worry you can buy that and eat it freely, you're too slim to be concerned about carbs and fats [little pause], btw, good job, do you follow any specific fitness program? I like the results".

Notice that it combines talking shit and conveying interest. Basically you want to be more subtle and cover your raw sexual interest in her with something else. Just like marketing in the media tells some stories and bullshits you a bit to cover "buy me now" offer. So it's not never ending conversation and it's not so straightforward that she has no idea what to say next [beside "thank you"].

[Giovonny]

(10-24-2015 09:54 AM)HankMoody Wrote:  

I am still of the belief that you cannot generate much attraction through texting.

I agree.

That's why I was careful to make this statement:

(10-24-2015 08:18 AM)Giovonny Wrote:  

I'm not sure you can build "attraction" over text

(10-24-2015 09:54 AM)HankMoody Wrote:  

Nothing is more beta than the guy who derives enjoyment from texting back and forth with women.

Beta is defined as having little or no access to resources.

How much one enjoys texting really has nothing to do with alpha or beta.

A girl I'm banging texted me a naked picture of herself, this led to an enjoyable text exchange, does that make me beta?

No, obviously.

My opinion

(10-24-2015 09:54 AM)HankMoody Wrote:  

Personally I find texting boring

If you are bored, they are bored.

In conversation and over text.

Experiment with more fun, more excitement, more edge, more dominance, more freedom, more of whatever the fuck you want!

Don't be limited by so called "rules" like "only text for logistics". (Roosh wrote that almost 10 years ago -- Things change -- "Rules" are dead -- Game is alive -- Don't be afraid to adapt, expand, or just experiment for fun)

(10-24-2015 09:54 AM)HankMoody Wrote:  

I think it varies depending on your personality.

Now this is the greatest line in your post!

This is the key!

Don't try to force yourself into being someone who you are really not.

If you are quiet, be quiet, you will attract a girl who likes quiet type guys.

If you are loud, be loud, you will attract a girl who likes loud type guys.

Your texting is an extension of your personality.

Nowadays, your texting is literally an extension of your social skills.

(10-24-2015 09:54 AM)HankMoody Wrote:  

I tend to see more guys lose bangs through bad texting, then guys who get bangs through good texting.

I agree. If you are a shitty texter, you should probably limit your texts.

But, if you like using text game, or you are good at using text game, or you are trying to expand your text skills, there is nothing wrong with trying to have a lively, humorous, or otherwise exciting text exchange.

(I'm not saying you should get to get into a long text conversation, I'm just saying that its totally okay and sometimes even beneficial to show some personality in your texts)

All that said, if you don't like to text or you're not good at it, than don't do it!

[topdog]

Back To OP's, I have come to a similar conclusion about daygame. At 26 I have zero intentions to age my body through sleep deprivation (night game). Discovered game three years ago and focused my efforts in online game with moderate results. But not even Tinder is working now. Recently a beautiful 20 y/o FWB broke up with me because I wasnt willing to go monogamous with her.

So I am in a crossroads of sorts, and it seems daygame is the hardest yet more promising path. I am a tall fucker with some extra pounds on me (starting the gym asap) and been told to be handsome by the girls I have been with.

I am an ambitious man, and I am up for the challenge of daygame.

[iknowexactly]

Some similar things happened to me as I got into my 40s started hating bars and wanted to keep my hearing.

Women start ghosting during courtship. Not even 1 in a 100 will openly tell you "You're too old," if that's what they're thinking or feeling.

Hell, you won't even tell yourself. Probably better not to lol.

[Giovonny]

Some may feel this thread has gotten off track.. But, I don't think it has.

Texting is a crucial part of day game.

I mean, you meet a girl, you talk for 5 or 10 minutes, you take her number, what's next???

The text or the phone call!

That first text or phone call is basically an extension of your initial conversation. Just like we must approach with power and confidence, we must also text with power and confidence.

After you meet her in person, she has an image of you in her mind -- "he was cute" -- "he seemed cool" -- "I would fuck him" etc.

Your texts should reinforce this image. If your texts are boring and dry, it's more likely that she will consider you to be boring and dry. If your texts and funny and exciting, its more likely that she will consider you to be funny and exciting. (generally speaking)

Daygaming alone rarely leads to sex.

Sex comes as a result of good daygaming + good texting + good first dates + good closing skills.

It all connected.

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(10-24-2015 10:51 AM)DVY Wrote:  

How do I improve my texting skills?

You answered your own question:

(10-24-2015 10:51 AM)DVY Wrote:  

I don't get enough constructive practice

You said it.. Practice! Those girls that you only meet for "less than 5 minutes", try more aggressively to engage them emotionally over text. Tease them, cold read them. send them pics, videos, use more humor, use the social media platform they prefer. Experiment with more creativity, edge, and excitement. Give less fucks about whether she will like the text or not. Push the fucking envelope textually!

As you know, dynamic practice is the only way to improve!

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(10-24-2015 02:22 PM)XXL Wrote:  

"hey [pause so that she looks at you and snaps out of her current thought patters] don't worry you can buy that and eat it freely, you're too slim to be concerned about carbs and fats [little pause], btw, good job, do you follow any specific fitness program? I like the results"

Yeah, this is more like the kind of opener that I would use.

A combination of direct and indirect. Congruent with the situation, subtle but still ballsy!

I love the dramatic "pauses"!

Good stuff XXL!

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Okay, back to the OP! I would love to discuss direct day game! Its only my favorite hobby!

[Dusty]

(10-25-2015 11:15 AM)Giovonny Wrote:  

Some may feel this thread has gotten off track.. But, I don't think it has.

Texting is a crucial part of day game.

I mean, you meet a girl, you talk for 5 or 10 minutes, you take her number, what's next???

The text or the phone call!

That first text or phone call is basically an extension of your initial conversation. Just like we must approach with power and confidence, we must also text with power and confidence.

After you meet her in person, she has an image of you in her mind -- "he was cute" -- "he seemed cool" -- "I would fuck him" etc.

Your texts should reinforce this image. If your texts are boring and dry, it's more likely that she will consider you to be boring and dry. If your texts and funny and exciting, its more likely that she will consider you to be funny and exciting. (generally speaking)

Daygaming alone rarely leads to sex.

Sex comes as a result of good daygaming + good texting + good first dates + good closing skills.

It all connected.

Okay, back to the OP! I would love to discuss direct day game! Its only my favorite hobby!

So true. It's painful to think about, but all who have day gamed have probably approached girls and did all the right things in person to get her want her to fuck us, but then we dropped the ball on texting. Ouch.

[The Wire]

(10-23-2015 07:22 AM)Vaun Wrote:  

Everyone hates online dating. Even women. They all want the fairy tale, without the match.com story. Daygame is as close it to that they will ever get. After starting a few years ago, I would say this is the realest way to create the strongest bonds with women. I have about a 5% success rate. The girls I meet I am really attracted to, and mini relationships can last months, and some are on and off again for years. A lot of these women are hard to part with.

As someone who does online dating I will say this is true. Another thing I was thinking about was ranking in general what are your best options for obtaining the highest quality woman that you could possibly get. I think in general it would rank something like this;

1. Social Circle(Work/School/Friends) game
2. Daygame
3. Nightgame
4. Online game


From observation of guys who ended up with girls who were legitimately of higher value than them(which is rare in this world) one common factor was that these guys ended up with these women through some kind of social circle. There was some kind of connection through work or school that allow the guy to interact with the girl enough to land her. We all know a couple of guys we grew up with that you wondered "How the fuck did he land that girl?" The guy is average looking at best, wasn't a player by any means. No other girls really paid attention to him but somehow he ends up with a girl 2-3 points above him. Its rare that happens but i've seen it enough and I know it isn't through anything but some kind of social interconnection that forced those 2 to talk to each on a long term basis(maybe they waited table together in high school).

Ill use an extreme celebrity example. IMO Hedi Klum was one of the best looking females on the planet in the late 90s. As close to a 10 as you can get. She ends up marrying her much older hair stylist. A 40 year old guy isn't picking top supermodels via daygame. He got the hottest possible girl he could ever strive for and it was through social circle.





With this said daygame is important because you are only as limited as your choices in social circle. So if you don't have connections to models then you're limited. There is a certain freedom that you could be anywhere on the planet and approach someone. It think it's main limitation is you will end up with issues with the highest quality girls unless you have value near her.

[Giovonny]

(10-25-2015 04:50 PM)The Wire Wrote:  

A 40 year old guy isn't picking top supermodels via daygame.

I really enjoyed reading your post. I agreed with all of it.

Social circle IS superior to day game.

That said, I just want to point out that a 40 year old guy may not be able to pull supermodels via day game but he may pull something almost as good; 18-25 year old college girls, girls in their 20s, etc.

Again, I'm not challenging your statement that social circle is superior to day game. I strongly agree with that. I'm just sticking up for the power of day game.

And, as you said, (to the non-celebrity) the top tier women are accessible mostly through social circle.

But. then again, who's to say what's "top tier".

Sometimes, a 19 year old, broke, aspiring model is just as much fun as a supermodel. For most of us, a thin, college girl is the closest thing we ever come to a supermodel

As always, a man is probably wise to be well rounded in multiple skill sets

[Vaun]

(10-25-2015 04:50 PM)The Wire Wrote:  

From observation of guys who ended up with girls who were legitimately of higher value than them(which is rare in this world) one common factor was that these guys ended up with these women through some kind of social circle. There was some kind of connection through work or school that allow the guy to interact with the girl enough to land her.

Lately I have been blown away at the power of social circle. Truthfully the highest quality women I have ever landed has been through social circles. If I focused as much on my social life as I did approaching during the day, I probably wouldnt need to approach anywhere. And thus wouldn't think twice about having to approach or put in any work other than just accepting every invite that comes my way to go out.

[XXL]

Fully agree with social circle game being superior to everything else.

I think this way is very underestimated in this game sphere. Almost everyone is focused on typical hunting type of seduction whereas in many cases it would be much more beneficial for them to just befriend that hot girl they met, break into their circles and network.

I think the combo of networking, building personal brand online, game, maintaining relationships etc is very interesting thing and great way to create that passive stream of prospects as well as upping your value in general.

Unfortunately still very unpopular ground in seduction community

[MikeS]

(10-31-2015 10:22 AM)XXL Wrote:  

Fully agree with social circle game being superior to everything else.

I think this way is very underestimated in this game sphere. Almost everyone is focused on typical hunting type of seduction whereas in many cases it would be much more beneficial for them to just befriend that hot girl they met, break into their circles and network.

I think the combo of networking, building personal brand online, game, maintaining relationships etc is very interesting thing and great way to create that passive stream of prospects as well as upping your value in general.

Unfortunately still very unpopular ground in seduction community

It wouldn't surprise me at all if the majority of the people who start researching and learning game are introverts (maybe more extroverts on this forum since it's scope goes well beyond just game and pick-up).

Personally I'm a major introvert with good social skills, and while daygame, online game, dating, nightgame (gotten too old to enjoy that more than a few times a year) certainly feel like they require varying degrees of persistence and effort to achieve satisfying success (which for me currently is banging or STRing mostly 6s and occasional 7s, preferably with pleasant personalities), working on building a strong social circle at my age and in my current work and life situation just feels like a monumental energy draining task where the positives don't outweigh what for me would be the negatives.

(10-31-2015 10:22 AM)XXL Wrote:  

...

I think the combo of networking, building personal brand online, game, maintaining relationships etc is very interesting thing and great way to create that passive stream of prospects as well as upping your value in general.
...

I'm feeling my energy and satisfying and very important personal time draining away just thinking about that. Well, at least 'networking' and 'brand building' - I'm fine with the other two.

What's fun, breezy and interesting to one person (in this case to extroverts) might be stressful, intrusive and at best fun in very brief spurts (I quite like to socialize, just not more than a few times a week and primarily on my terms) to someone else.
I'm not disputing there can be tangible payoffs in life when you force yourself to move out of your comfort zone, but in some cases it might be more efficient - and certainly more pleasant - to choose an alternative path better fitting the individual's own personality, towards similar end goals.
I would for instance never suggest that an introvert should forego learning game just because it causes some discomfort. But choosing a style of game and a social entry point suitable to his personality might be the best choice. At least after trying other options and eliminating them for various reasons.

[XXL]

(10-31-2015 05:18 AM)Vaun Wrote:  

(10-25-2015 04:50 PM)The Wire Wrote:  

From observation of guys who ended up with girls who were legitimately of higher value than them(which is rare in this world) one common factor was that these guys ended up with these women through some kind of social circle. There was some kind of connection through work or school that allow the guy to interact with the girl enough to land her.

Lately I have been blown away at the power of social circle. Truthfully the highest quality women I have ever landed has been through social circles. If I focused as much on my social life as I did approaching during the day, I probably wouldnt need to approach anywhere. And thus wouldn't think twice about having to approach or put in any work other than just accepting every invite that comes my way to go out.

I firmly believe that the main factor why it's effective is simply COMFORT. Which is directly related to ENOUGH TIME SPENT TOGETHER. Emphasis on ENOUGH [which doesn't mean weeks or months]. That alone makes the whole difference. It's not only because of everyday contact with same girls or being their good friend since high school etc.

But since we're getting carried away with that topic which has nothing to do with the main point of OP's thread I'm saying bye and shutting up now

[The Wire]

(10-26-2015 05:52 AM)Giovonny Wrote:  

But. then again, who's to say what's "top tier".

Well I guess the biggest point I would make is that whatever your value is in day game.....its going to be even higher in social circle game(unless you fucked up your reputation in your Social Circle but thats another story). I guess what I'm trying to say is you're operating at a value handicap in day game for the most part. Thats why people would mention you might be betteroff making your value seem as high as it is wearing a suit in day game(value smoke and mirrors).

Paul Janka probably has(had) the highest value of any of the daygame PUAs out there just based on height/looks/approaching ability. He still got blownout by girls below his own value in a street situation. A ton of the same girls in a social circle would have been throwing themselves at him or would have tried to get one of their friends to hookup with him. In social circle his value is automatically greater. Your value is lower in daygame but with the catch that you have unlimited options.

I know this generally off topic but I think it circles back to the OPs thread in that one thing that can happen is that lets say you end up with a girl above your value through day game. That usually involves a combination of skill and luck making your value seem high enough to get her number to set up a date. If your entire life has been day game your going to run into an issue keeping this girl for more than a week and it can even fall apart on the first date. Most of those girls are going to start to peel back the layers of your life and if its nothing but day game it might fall apart quick.

[Giovonny]

(10-31-2015 03:50 PM)The Wire Wrote:  

whatever your value is in day game.....its going to be even higher in social circle game

I agree.

Well said.

(10-31-2015 03:50 PM)The Wire Wrote:  

making your value seem high

I don't do anything to make my value "seem" artificially high.

I don't lie about my job or financial holdings.

(I do sometimes lie about my age but that's another topic)

I don't wear a suit or fancy jewelry. I don't rent or lease a fancy car.

I dress, walk, speak, and present myself in a way that is consistent and congruent with my authentic lifestyle.

I'm not trying to fool anyone. I'm just looking for girls who are attracted to ME.

(10-31-2015 03:50 PM)The Wire Wrote:  

it can fall apart on the first date

It can fall apart on the first date for anyone.

Day game, night game, social circle, online.

But, I admit, social circle does have the built in familiarity and peer group which helps a ton obviously.

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Personally, I enjoy day game and I do not enjoy social circle game. So, its an easy choice.

I do think the op would be wise to try and incorporate some more social circle game + day game.

[worldtraveler3]

The way I see it is :
The guys who mainly game social circle tend to be traditionalists. They are tradion preserving maybe not only in their game but also they might have a traditional career path (like doctors etc). These guys were taught how to do things and live their lives mainly by the rules of the society. They would probably be against doing a crazy night out on a Tuesday. They go to the same clubs with their friends every weekend, listening to the same music, having the same group of university/ high school friends). Some of my friends who do social circle game never even know about the concept of day game and rarely does internet game(especially non tinder sites)

The guys who are open and does all types of game are more likely to be more open minded people. They have a spontaneous thing going for them and seek excitement and non traditional ways of doing things. Hence there is nothing against online dating, cold approaching etc.
There might be more extroverts in social circle game as they always do things together, but I can also see a lot of extroverts doing day and night game as well. The problem with social circle game is that you might not like the targets in that social circle especially if the circle is not exciting enough which can occur after everyone gets married or in relationships as time goes on.

[The Wire]

(10-31-2015 11:15 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

I don't do anything to make my value "seem" artificially high.

I don't lie about my job or financial holdings.

(I do sometimes lie about my age but that's another topic)

I don't wear a suit or fancy jewelry. I don't rent or lease a fancy car.

I dress, walk, speak, and present myself in a way that is consistent and congruent with my authentic lifestyle.

I'm not trying to fool anyone. I'm just looking for girls who are attracted to ME.

Just to be clear I wasn't directing that at you but what someone else said earlier in the thread about wearing a custom suit for daygame which is obviously in an attempt to give the girl the impression your value is higher than it would be wearing wrangler jeans and a izod polo(extreme example).