Having lived in the ass end of the states and abroad, I'll say that "looking for a mother" game is hard when you have such poor choices around you. Do you ever think that if we are trying to force the mindset on us to get out of player mode that it just isn't possible for bio-environmental reasons? The current town I'm in sucks, and there's nothing but a bunch of disgusting country whores strutting and strollin rockin and rollin etc. I get the urge too, just like Roosh and several of the other players on here, the genes must carry on, nature has chosen us for a reason.
Are you a father, or do you want to be?
I've always wanted to have kids with a bunch of different women, Genghis Khan style.
Is it still possible in today's world?
Is it still possible in today's world?
Quote: (10-01-2015 12:48 AM)EL CHAPO Wrote:
I've always wanted to have kids with a bunch of different women, Genghis Khan style.
Is it still possible in today's world?
In the philippines yes. There are lots of girls who go raw without even knowing your real identity and often they assume you don't want to follow up and don't try to contact you again first unless you contact them again.
If you're YoungTallCool I imagine you could rip through the bars leaving tons of impoverished kids.
Most girls don't even seem to understand how ovulation timing works so you could gauge it to sync.
I saw one guy on a a random internet comment section say something like "I have 42 kids in the Philippines with different women hee hee. It is my right"
Somehow I believed him.
My daughter is also obsessed with shopkins. I have a two year old currently, I don't plan on stopping until I have a son.
As far back as I can remember a family has been on the cards for me.
"Motherly" traits in women have always been far more attractive to me than the highly sexualised physical appearance of the "progressive" west. I'm attracted to women based on the future. I think they look best in a dress with minimal make up. I don't rationally think about her being a mother, that's just where my subconscious steers.
I hate lots of makeup, huge tits, crass attitudes, piercings, tattoos etc. I would rather slam my dick in a car door.
At the moment I want kids but I'd also be happy going alone providing it was for a cause worth fighting for.
Any man can have a kid, but not every man can be a father. The fatherhood our grandparents knew disappeared decades ago. Sure, there are great fathers today, but by and large fatherhood has become obsolete and the majority of men become less capable of it.
Successfully raising a large well rounded family who go on to achieve great things is the biggest FUCK YOU to this increasingly degenerate society.
The west is being taught to hate children. We are murdering them before they're even out the starting gate.
On the contrary Muslims have the highest fertility rate with a population growing twice as fast as the west.
The children being born now will be in control of the world in a few short years.
"Motherly" traits in women have always been far more attractive to me than the highly sexualised physical appearance of the "progressive" west. I'm attracted to women based on the future. I think they look best in a dress with minimal make up. I don't rationally think about her being a mother, that's just where my subconscious steers.
I hate lots of makeup, huge tits, crass attitudes, piercings, tattoos etc. I would rather slam my dick in a car door.
At the moment I want kids but I'd also be happy going alone providing it was for a cause worth fighting for.
Any man can have a kid, but not every man can be a father. The fatherhood our grandparents knew disappeared decades ago. Sure, there are great fathers today, but by and large fatherhood has become obsolete and the majority of men become less capable of it.
Successfully raising a large well rounded family who go on to achieve great things is the biggest FUCK YOU to this increasingly degenerate society.
The west is being taught to hate children. We are murdering them before they're even out the starting gate.
On the contrary Muslims have the highest fertility rate with a population growing twice as fast as the west.
The children being born now will be in control of the world in a few short years.
I made a thread about lying to your LTR in the beginning about your age to get a younger chick etc...
The conclusion was yeah go ahead and lie if she likes you enough she won't care if she finds out later just laugh it off.
Well if you are looking to have the mother of your children, what is your guys' take? Do you want to risk doing that when meeting what could be a gem?
Do you want to accept a girl that is okay with a guy lying to them about something like that?
The conclusion was yeah go ahead and lie if she likes you enough she won't care if she finds out later just laugh it off.
Well if you are looking to have the mother of your children, what is your guys' take? Do you want to risk doing that when meeting what could be a gem?
Do you want to accept a girl that is okay with a guy lying to them about something like that?
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Quote: (05-19-2016 12:01 PM)Giovonny Wrote:
If I talk to 100 19 year old girls, at least one of them is getting fucked!
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Quote: (09-27-2015 08:08 PM)Roosh Wrote:
In the past year, I've been getting strong urges to impregnate women, to the point where I no longer trust myself to be careful during sex. When a girl told me the other week that she would keep any baby if I accidentally impregnated her, I became more interested in her. An accidental pregnancy in the past would have been a nightmare scenario, but now I wouldn't mind it as long as the girl wasn't a slut.
I think this is happening for a couple reasons:
1. My resources are secure enough to raise a kid (in Eastern Europe)
2. I'm getting older
3. I see more value in family than before
4. I'm bored of sterile interactions with women
I'm not the first one to have this "problem": thread-7138.html
Anyone else been bitten by the urge? I know in the manosphere it is said that having children is "slavery" or something similarly negative, but it's getting harder to deny my natural urges to have them. I set up a poll above to get an idea where the forum stands on this. I know several guys are already dads.
I think about it every day, Roosh. I look at women who look like they are hot but then think if they would be good mothers. I just complimented a guy friend of mine on his son graduating HS and he said to me "this is the best thing in life." because he knew I didn't have kids yet.
Quote: (09-27-2015 08:59 PM)Roosh Wrote:
If you're really serious about being a dad, or at least finding a potential mom, having sex with girls who don't fit the profile will be a big waste of time and likely delay your search.
I already knew you were a genius but this is fucking brilliant and somehow obviously common sense, yet I have missed it for the last several years and this is an answer I needed.
I want it bad, biological urges and all. But I haven't found a woman worth sharing that sort of responsibility with.
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What about taking the muslim women from the men? I may start a thread about this soon, but they are great mother material, the few ones that I've been with could have been better but I think part of western society corrupted them which is why I was able to get with them in the first place.
The best I've seen but haven't had yet is a Christian Arab woman, say Assyrian or Chaldean, they're beautiful, non-muslim, and great mothers, some are sluts but yes there are virtuous simple ones that fit the profile of what a good mother is. AWALT on all the rest.
The best I've seen but haven't had yet is a Christian Arab woman, say Assyrian or Chaldean, they're beautiful, non-muslim, and great mothers, some are sluts but yes there are virtuous simple ones that fit the profile of what a good mother is. AWALT on all the rest.
For the past year, the whole idea of having a family has been floating around in my mind far more often than in the past. At the same time, my desire to bang random sluts who don't have any value beyond being a wet hole and a fun night has tanked considerably. If a woman doesn't even have some basic LTR potential at this point in my life (even if only for a mini-relationship), I almost rather not bother.
However, I think trying to raise a kid/have a family in the US is simply not worth the effort and risk involved. There are enormous cultural and legal pressures constantly working against us and I don't see any clear indications of it improving substantially anytime in the near future.
Legal: I am not comfortable working a lifetime to build wealth just so some girl who gets bored after a few years can cash out and live off my alimony/child support payments for years. The current US legal system incentives people to divorce for financial gain; it is anti-family to its core. If you're the high earner of the two, the other person can blow up the family anytime and collect the cash and prizes. You can choose to not get married but are still open to child support payment rape. Even Halle Berry is paying like 15K/month to her ex with the kid. That’s insane. Perhaps if reasonable caps existed, that would change the game somewhat but when has a politician come out in recent history and proposed to reduce/cap child support payments? I'm not even going to explain the abuse of false DV/rape/child molestations charges to manipulate divorce proceedings; which the mere charge often is a career ender in many fields.
Cultural: how often do people in the anglosphere/USA honest to god meet a potential "mother of my children" candidate? I'm just talking basic attributes excluding chemistry: Non-feminist, good family/moral values, intelligent (not masters degree "intelligent" if you know what I mean), submissive, strong sense of loyalty, no short hair/tats, not a raging slut/former slut, takes care of her body/health, and is comfortablely ready to settle down before 26? I have met maybe a handful and that's with an asterisk or two in every case. I don't think women like this exist anymore in the USA except maybe within the Mormon community and in rare random isolated cases. The USA is great for about to hit the wall/post-wall mid-30s entitled feminist careerists if that’s your thing though. For the potential family man in me and what I look for at a BASIC level, it’s a wasteland.
That all said, my game plan knowing all the aforementioned is to simply bide my time, have some non exclusive mini-relationships, build up my resources, learn Spanish, and set myself up to have the option to exit the USA/anglosphere if I want to go down the family route in about 5-10 years. I have noticed over the years from reading the forum and in real life that many guys get the same urge Roosh is feeling around their mid-late 30s and I’m planning best I can in case I feel the same way when I get to that point as well. I might never have kids but I want to be properly prepared (as best I can be, at least) if I decide to go down that road.
And to be frank, if the legal system was amended so that the financial risk was mitigated, I would consider doing the family deal here in the USA; perhaps even much sooner than within 5-10 years. I can deal with cultural bullshit and filtering out shit women. However, losing half my shit after decades of hard work due to a corrupt and ridiculous legal system is nightmare inducing and is simply not an acceptable risk. Ever.
However, I think trying to raise a kid/have a family in the US is simply not worth the effort and risk involved. There are enormous cultural and legal pressures constantly working against us and I don't see any clear indications of it improving substantially anytime in the near future.
Legal: I am not comfortable working a lifetime to build wealth just so some girl who gets bored after a few years can cash out and live off my alimony/child support payments for years. The current US legal system incentives people to divorce for financial gain; it is anti-family to its core. If you're the high earner of the two, the other person can blow up the family anytime and collect the cash and prizes. You can choose to not get married but are still open to child support payment rape. Even Halle Berry is paying like 15K/month to her ex with the kid. That’s insane. Perhaps if reasonable caps existed, that would change the game somewhat but when has a politician come out in recent history and proposed to reduce/cap child support payments? I'm not even going to explain the abuse of false DV/rape/child molestations charges to manipulate divorce proceedings; which the mere charge often is a career ender in many fields.
Cultural: how often do people in the anglosphere/USA honest to god meet a potential "mother of my children" candidate? I'm just talking basic attributes excluding chemistry: Non-feminist, good family/moral values, intelligent (not masters degree "intelligent" if you know what I mean), submissive, strong sense of loyalty, no short hair/tats, not a raging slut/former slut, takes care of her body/health, and is comfortablely ready to settle down before 26? I have met maybe a handful and that's with an asterisk or two in every case. I don't think women like this exist anymore in the USA except maybe within the Mormon community and in rare random isolated cases. The USA is great for about to hit the wall/post-wall mid-30s entitled feminist careerists if that’s your thing though. For the potential family man in me and what I look for at a BASIC level, it’s a wasteland.
That all said, my game plan knowing all the aforementioned is to simply bide my time, have some non exclusive mini-relationships, build up my resources, learn Spanish, and set myself up to have the option to exit the USA/anglosphere if I want to go down the family route in about 5-10 years. I have noticed over the years from reading the forum and in real life that many guys get the same urge Roosh is feeling around their mid-late 30s and I’m planning best I can in case I feel the same way when I get to that point as well. I might never have kids but I want to be properly prepared (as best I can be, at least) if I decide to go down that road.
And to be frank, if the legal system was amended so that the financial risk was mitigated, I would consider doing the family deal here in the USA; perhaps even much sooner than within 5-10 years. I can deal with cultural bullshit and filtering out shit women. However, losing half my shit after decades of hard work due to a corrupt and ridiculous legal system is nightmare inducing and is simply not an acceptable risk. Ever.
As of now, I would say I don't want them.
Then again, I'm only 24 and accept this could change in the future. I mean, when I was 21 I was a marxist (that's obviously done a complete U-turn)
I think Bacon's point is very valid actually. I thought kids were cool until I spent a lot of time with them in Korea (teaching). That experience put me off them for life. Before that I hadn't had any real interaction with kids.
Even now, I see them screaming in the mall on the weekends and it reminds me to buy a packet of condoms. The idea of having one of those yappy things in my house all day for eighteen years is horrible.
Also, I like doing an easy job and having all my money/time for myself. I wouldn't wanna exist just for the kid. I value my freedom. I like my girls, lying in and playing my guitar for hours. That would be restricted if I get a kid.
But I will say. Some of these Thai girls look lovely with their kid.They're great mothers. Not like the West . You could get a nice wife here for sure.
Marrying/impregnating a western girl is a 100% solid NO. A thai chick? maybe will do it when I hit my late thirties.
Then again, I'm only 24 and accept this could change in the future. I mean, when I was 21 I was a marxist (that's obviously done a complete U-turn)
I think Bacon's point is very valid actually. I thought kids were cool until I spent a lot of time with them in Korea (teaching). That experience put me off them for life. Before that I hadn't had any real interaction with kids.
Even now, I see them screaming in the mall on the weekends and it reminds me to buy a packet of condoms. The idea of having one of those yappy things in my house all day for eighteen years is horrible.
Also, I like doing an easy job and having all my money/time for myself. I wouldn't wanna exist just for the kid. I value my freedom. I like my girls, lying in and playing my guitar for hours. That would be restricted if I get a kid.
But I will say. Some of these Thai girls look lovely with their kid.They're great mothers. Not like the West . You could get a nice wife here for sure.
Marrying/impregnating a western girl is a 100% solid NO. A thai chick? maybe will do it when I hit my late thirties.
Quote: (10-01-2015 01:18 AM)iknowexactly Wrote:
Quote: (10-01-2015 12:48 AM)EL CHAPO Wrote:
I've always wanted to have kids with a bunch of different women, Genghis Khan style.
Is it still possible in today's world?
In the philippines yes. There are lots of girls who go raw without even knowing your real identity and often they assume you don't want to follow up and don't try to contact you again first unless you contact them again.
If you're YoungTallCool I imagine you could rip through the bars leaving tons of impoverished kids.
Most girls don't even seem to understand how ovulation timing works so you could gauge it to sync.
I saw one guy on a a random internet comment section say something like "I have 42 kids in the Philippines with different women hee hee. It is my right"
Somehow I believed him.
No surprise at all. I was talking with a college educated woman in the Philippines and she didn't realize she has eggs inside her. She said, "So I am like a chicken?" Pretty amazing.. 15 years of education and they never taught her basic human biology and procreation. So that was a college educated girl, imagine how much worse it is for the girls that dropped out of grade school or high school.
What age are you guys targeting for potential mother of your children?
I'm finding the under 22 crowd too focused on university & career to consider being mothers yet.
After university, they're experienced carousel riders...
I'm finding the under 22 crowd too focused on university & career to consider being mothers yet.
After university, they're experienced carousel riders...
Quote: (10-02-2015 11:46 AM)Courage Reborn Wrote:
I'm finding the under 22 crowd too focused on university & career to consider being mothers yet.
After university, they're experienced carousel riders...
So don't go for the ones who go to uni.
University to women is like a 'car wash' that promises to improve the appearance of your car, but it comes out all covered in shit, scratched up, and broken, and it doesn't want to drive anymore like it's supposed to, and instead wants to do something useless like recite poetry or make political complaints on facebook. That fathers still pay to send their daughters to such a place is well beyond me.
I get the sense talking to women in my area, that having one kid is a big deal for them.
Speaking to them it seems like some obligation they had to get out of the way. I also think the nicer looking the girl is, the longer she will wait to give birth - if she does at all.
I guess my point is, you can find that girl. But what if she only wants to have one child? I think most of us men on here would want more than that.
Speaking to them it seems like some obligation they had to get out of the way. I also think the nicer looking the girl is, the longer she will wait to give birth - if she does at all.
I guess my point is, you can find that girl. But what if she only wants to have one child? I think most of us men on here would want more than that.
Quote: (10-01-2015 07:59 PM)Travesty Wrote:
I made a thread about lying to your LTR in the beginning about your age to get a younger chick etc...
The conclusion was yeah go ahead and lie if she likes you enough she won't care if she finds out later just laugh it off.
Well if you are looking to have the mother of your children, what is your guys' take? Do you want to risk doing that when meeting what could be a gem?
Do you want to accept a girl that is okay with a guy lying to them about something like that?
Go ahead and lie. I met the first quality broad in a very long time a few months ago, ukraninan chick. I always lie to young girls i just want to bang. This girl seemed a notch above, so I was honest (16 year gap).
Great date, great connection, ended with french kissing.
Couldn't get her out again.
Could be a number of reasons. But I'm sure she had a chance to dwell on the age gap plus talking with friends.
So moving forward, Ill always lie. If I have to come clean later and the girl is in love, it won't mean anything. And the fact she overlooks that won't mean anything either.
Now that it's established a lot of guys here want to be a dad, a follow up question is how good do you feel about the chance of finding a woman worthy of your seed?
Can't say I feel too great about that myself.
Id feel better if I were in Roosh's shoes in EE.
Can't say I feel too great about that myself.
Id feel better if I were in Roosh's shoes in EE.
Quote: (10-02-2015 11:46 AM)Courage Reborn Wrote:
What age are you guys targeting for potential mother of your children?
I'm finding the under 22 crowd too focused on university & career to consider being mothers yet.
After university, they're experienced carousel riders...
It's a fine balance indeed. I think 24 is the best age.
Have to agree on the university slags, they don't know what the fuck they're doing in their lives. Met a bunch out tonight and its psyche this special ed that HR this admin that hospitality this mangament that. Gah! They are great for hooking up, but we all should be taking corrective measures to stop this slutty culture from devolving into a bunch of stinking apes that just fuck and shit and eat and sleep... oh wait too late lol.
The college cooz don't have one iota of what it takes to be a mother, unless they are already married and are going in to support their family and not their idealistic crusade of you-go-girlism, but those are a rarity in human statistics.
Either way, western children must be bred, and the hordes of orcs must be held back, I remember reading on one article of ROK that "it's not muslim guns to be afraid of, it's muslim genitals" they are outbreeding our stock at an ever increasing ratio. This desire to be a father that I find in myself, just like most of you do, is also biologically explained because whether we sense it or not, nature does sense that our kind is on its way out and is being exterminated gradually, so self-preserving mechanisms set in: breed or die.
The college cooz don't have one iota of what it takes to be a mother, unless they are already married and are going in to support their family and not their idealistic crusade of you-go-girlism, but those are a rarity in human statistics.
Either way, western children must be bred, and the hordes of orcs must be held back, I remember reading on one article of ROK that "it's not muslim guns to be afraid of, it's muslim genitals" they are outbreeding our stock at an ever increasing ratio. This desire to be a father that I find in myself, just like most of you do, is also biologically explained because whether we sense it or not, nature does sense that our kind is on its way out and is being exterminated gradually, so self-preserving mechanisms set in: breed or die.
Found this article on CNN. A commercial that actually aired in Denmark to urge people to purchase sex vacations to combat the low birth rates. Hahaha.
http://edition.cnn.com/2015/10/01/travel...index.html
http://edition.cnn.com/2015/10/01/travel...index.html
Quote: (10-04-2015 06:19 AM)Fury Wrote:
Found this article on CNN. A commercial that actually aired in Denmark to urge people to purchase sex vacations to combat the low birth rates. Hahaha.
http://edition.cnn.com/2015/10/01/travel...index.html
That's a funny commercial promoting out-of-wedlock children, but somehow they left out the after-part where the guy then gets most of his disposable income taken from him in child support and can only see his child every other weekend, and has no say in the raising.
Maybe that doesn't happen in Denmark?
I've raised a child here in the U.S. under some of the toughest circumstances, in that from day one it was a fight with a woman who, for all her life, had an ax to grind with the Father. It drained me emotionally and of course financially.
That said, those every other weekends raising my son were certainly the best moments of my life. I tear up thinking about them.
At 44 yrs old, and with only a few years left of significant child support to pay, I too am thinking about finding a wife and having a real family.
My current plan is to stack up enough cash so when I'm just about to reach 50 I am financially secure enough to travel the world, find her, and settle down in a country that makes sense to do so.
When looking for wife/mother material, it's really best to have open conversations about how you would raise your children and what the roles of the man and woman should be.
Even better to first have these conversations indirectly, by using other couples or characters in a movie you're watching as a backdrop. This way her guard won't be up as much and her responses would more reveal her unconscious attitudes.
I'm too young to be having kids yet but when I sit down and think about what I want out of life I have to consider it. The reality is that I'll never be a lifelong playboy. There is too much pull towards other things. I would rather be out hunting, fishing, and working on cars. I always come back to that. That's all stuff I want to pass down to my sons. Plus the older I get the more I like spending time with my family.
One thing I've noticed with my LTR is how the way I judge her has shifted. It used to be all about how she would be as a girlfriend. Now I judge her by how she would be as a mother.
My grandpa is also huge influence on me. He's never been rich money wise, but in terms of the quality of life that he has lived I would put him in the top 1%. I can only imagine what it feels like when he has 80 people show up at his house for christmas knowing that he built that. He still drives and mows his own lawn at almost a hundred years old. I would be stupid not to pass on those genes.
I once got over a oneitis when the girl posted some insanely retarded blue pill parenting shit on facebook. Instinct recognized that as a huge red flag.
One thing I've noticed with my LTR is how the way I judge her has shifted. It used to be all about how she would be as a girlfriend. Now I judge her by how she would be as a mother.
My grandpa is also huge influence on me. He's never been rich money wise, but in terms of the quality of life that he has lived I would put him in the top 1%. I can only imagine what it feels like when he has 80 people show up at his house for christmas knowing that he built that. He still drives and mows his own lawn at almost a hundred years old. I would be stupid not to pass on those genes.
Quote: (10-04-2015 07:53 AM)Onto Wrote:
When looking for wife/mother material, it's really best to have open conversations about how you would raise your children and what the roles of the man and woman should be.
I once got over a oneitis when the girl posted some insanely retarded blue pill parenting shit on facebook. Instinct recognized that as a huge red flag.
I'll be a father in just a few months. Closer to 40 than 30, now's the time. I'll still travel but at the home field it's time to assume another role.
Slubu had a real good and thorough post on the topic above. Interestingly enough he was one of the first guys on the forum I had this discussion with when we hung out in person in NYC.
Slubu had a real good and thorough post on the topic above. Interestingly enough he was one of the first guys on the forum I had this discussion with when we hung out in person in NYC.
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