[Captainstabbin]

The idea of having superjediwoman spontaneously knowing everything and mastering all Jedi skills in seconds is that it negates the search for Luke. Why is he needed if Rey can easily defeat Ben after holding a lightsaber for a few minutes? Surely she can defeat anyone with an hour of training, she could take on the whole galaxy in a week.

I'd like to see the story notes Lucas gave them that they rejected. I wonder if his story had the same problems.

[kaotic]

Just saw it, fuck you disney, fuck you JJ, FUCK !

I'm absolutely pissed at this movie. the girl I was with could tell I was let down.

More details on this in the morning.

[kaotic]

Where to even start on this thing - I know what I'm going to write is going to reinforce what others have said:


***MAJOR DETAILED SPOILERS AHEAD ! - DO NOT READ IF YOU HAVEN'T SEEN THE MOVIE***









This Star Wars seemed to be overly try hard funny also. YES there were some pretty funny scenes, but you can tell they were overdoing it with some scenes.

There wasn't enough back story on any of the characters, as in:

-How did Ben become Kylo Ren?
-Why didn't they start at the Jedi Academy that Luke started ?
-Where the fuck did Snoke come from ?
-What about Rey ? How was she separated ?
-The list goes on.

The same tired old story:

-SURPRISE another fucking planet killer.
-Another Sith Lord and servant.
-Another similar way to blow the planet killer up.

It was cool to see some throwback vehicles, the action scenes, new vehicles, dogfights, the new storm trooper designs, a more expanded universe of alien races, however, Jesus H. Christ the plot was mangled and the characters left me saying "Seriously?"

Rey - SURPRISE ! Another Hollywood "GIRL POWER !" Hack job just like Mad Max.



"Don't hold my hand" basically punking Fin's paternal instinct in trying to protect her. I don't need no man !

She somehow knows the Millennium Falcon like the back of her hand ? Why the hell is she scavenging then ? Keeping a low profile ?

So let me get this straight, she's a scavenger, and then suddenly after being interrogated by Kylo Ren she suddenly has force powers awakened that Luke didn't even have until Return of The Jedi ? Suddenly she can control storm-troopers, handles a light saber well, and almost defeat a sith in training ?

This is Princess Leia on steroids with the added bonus of Jedi powers. It'll be interesting to see what she turns into.



Finn - Jesus fucking christ, could he more of a fucking pussy for most of the movie ?



He had maybe a handful of redeeming scenes. Most of the time he was a try hard to be funny guy that JJ made him be. He played below Rey and second major guy in the movie. I like his part towards the end battling Kylo Ren.

He reminds me of a mild Jar Jar Binks.



Kylo Ren - SURPRISE ! Another Darth Vader wannabe. The sith with the most PUNCHABLE face in the fucking galaxy and reminded me of this guy from Grandmas Boys:



The over emotional temper tantrum teenager who thinks he's a bad ass with a fucking mask. They literally couldn't of casted a worse person to play Kylo Ren. Even the voice over for him with the mask on was horrible. He just looks like a little bitch who can't control his emotions. The outfit was pretty cool but the man beneath him wasn't.

Who knew Han Solo's son could be such a pussy.

What he did to Han Solo was dirty as fuck, I'll never forgive Disney for that, more on that later.

I have a feeling he'll either completely fall to the dark side and get killed by Luke and/or Rey OR he joins the lightside and Luke becomes his master along with Rey. We'll see.


Han Solo - Still the same cool, calm, collective SOB in all the galaxy. He's just a bit more older and a bit more wiser.



He has always been my favorite character in all of Star Wars with Luke being a close second. This time around he needs a little help with some new friends aka Finn and Rey. Chewbacca is of course his best friend and sidekick still.

He's still that cocky funny, with a more than the usual try hard being funny to him, you know JJ scripted that in.

I was so pissed at Kylo Ren doing him dirty, I can't believe they killed Han off. No other man will be able to take his place, I'll never forgive JJ for this.

Suddenly Chewbacca's is Rey's sidekick now ? There also needs to be more backstory on Han's son Ben aka Kylo Ren.

I wont write too much more but about him, but I'm gonna miss you Han:





Chewbacca - Chewie was his same old self but after Han died you think they could of shown him being more fucking sad, I mean the dude owed a life debt to Han but was his BEST FRIEND. You don't just up and get another best friend like that out of Rey.



I'm surprised Chewie didn't die in this one, since he did sacrifice himself in some of the Expanded Universe Stories.

He'll probably in all 3 of the series installments.


Leia - She was the kind and genuine self she was - but she wasn't a hardened smart ass anymore.



She's had some deep hurt happen since Return of The Jedi. Still a leader but I'm VERY surprised they didn't show a scene of Chewbacca hugging Leia after Han died - or some mourning scene.




General Hux - The Imperial First Order CO's didn't seem that professional at all - they seemed more emotional whether scared or angered.



Especially Hux, he seemed like a try hard angry ginger mad man, not cool or calm like Admiral Piet or General Moff Tarkin. Cool, cold, and collective. The dude annoyed me.



Supreme Lead Snoke - NOT impressed if this is the new face of the Sith, only 2 or 3 scenes, we'll need more background on him and where he came from and how he seduced Kylo Ren. Snoke reminded me if Smeagle from Lord of The Rings and Voldemont from Harry Potter had a kid.



Poe Dameron - Seems like the only Alpha in the movie, and shows up at the beginning and towards the end. Seems like a certified bad ass and guide to Finn. I have a feeling their relationship is going to be a lot like Solo's and Luke's.

I look forward to seeing him in action in the next 2 installments. Reminds me a lot of Luke's wing mate Wedge Antilles.





Captain Phasma - Bad ass looking female Storm Trooper captain with only a handful of lines and we don't know if she's dead or alive after a run in with the main characters.

For the sake of the series, I really hope she's still around.





Luke Skywalker - Mentions of him in this movie, but he isn't in this movie, only until the very end does he have a single scene. The whole movie was about looking for him, everything led up to the search.

I look forward to him in the next one.



Overall:

Alot of recycled material, things get a bit more personal, and hollywood is making Star Wars into a PC SJW Sci-Fi movie. They're ruining it - JJ's camera and editing just aren't the same as I liked in in 4-6. This just seem looser is the only way I can explain it.

[UroboricForms]

I'm having trouble collecting my VERY mixed thoughts on this film together to even form a sentence on it, its almost as if they're as scattered as the film itself was.

The good:

Stunning visuals, especially the X-Wing and TIE Fighter scenes. That's what we all want to see really, those classic dogfights updated. I found myself missing the film grain you used to see in cinemas though. Before this I hadn't gone to see a new film in about eight years,

Poe is quality and the scenes with both him and Finn were very good. Won't be surprised if they turn him into a pussy though, he stood out like a sore thumb as the only good or even vaguely Star Wars like male character in the whole thing.

The new Stormtrooper design is great. Modernized but still recalls the classic. Gwendoline Christie's chrome Stormtrooper armour is very striking also.

The new Supreme Leader villain is quite interesting. Who is he? One of the popular theories is that Snoke is actually Darth Plagueis, Sidious' former master mentioned in Episode III. I hope so because it would mean some damn continuity at least, and some clarity to the scene where Palpatine tells Anakin about him.

The bad:

Killing Han Solo. I suppose the character wasn't "progressive" enough for Abrams, or maybe just too white.

Finn is quite funny at times but pretty much sucks as a male lead. I feel sorry for the hordes of young boys into Star Wars growing up with this sissified comedy act as a hero.

I don't care how many compressors she can bypass, Rey is a shit character with a terrible story arc. I guess it would have been to much to ask for her to be even vaguely feminine. Or hot. Leia managed both those things and still fulfilled the "chick with attitude" cliche, it just wasn't so overpoweringly obnoxious the first time round. I could almost hear myself cringe at the "stop taking my hand" lines each time.

Kylo Ren fucking sucks. Period. Almost as bad as Anakin in the prequels. They came close to matching Vader with Maul in terms of chillingly effective villains, but they will never truly top Vader. The character is pretty much a carbon copy of Jacen Solo/Darth Caedus from the now non-canon (thanks Abrams) Expanded Universe.

Speaking of carbon copies, pretty much every aspect of the story is a ripoff. Oh look, there's a Death Star...and a trench run...and a cute bleeping droid with a vital piece of info...it was quite clearly put together this way to optimize the clouding of objectivity by nostalgia among the majority of fans to make them pass over how much of a just passable film The Force Awakens really is. Not to mention the blatant SJW tropes. Seems to be working, too. Sad.

Totally unsatisfactory ending too. I get it that they're setting it up for the next episode though. With any luck this film will work better in the context of the following two. It doesn't stand on its own very well. Mind you, I'm not even sure how much I care about episodes VIII and IX anymore now. Much more interested in Rogue One, though how much that might possibly suck also I can't say.

[Captainstabbin]

(12-22-2015 03:03 PM)UroboricForms Wrote:  

The new Supreme Leader villain is quite interesting. Who is he? One of the popular theories is that Snoke is actually Darth Plagueis, Sidious' former master mentioned in Episode III. I hope so because it would mean some damn continuity at least, and some clarity to the scene where Palpatine tells Anakin about him.

That would be too cool for JJ to have considered. Plus, he's already said that Kylo and Snoke aren't sith. They are dark side users who are supposed to be distinct from the sith...whatever that means.

(12-22-2015 03:03 PM)UroboricForms Wrote:  

The bad:

Killing Han Solo. I suppose the character wasn't "progressive" enough for Abrams, or maybe just too white.

Harrison flatly refused another movie. They either kill him off or send him away on some BS mission where he's never seen again. It think that one might be Harrison's fault.

But here's the problem. By killing him off, we know how his story ends, right? So it makes it much less compelling to watch a young Han in the planned spinoff.

[El Chinito loco]

This sounds like a stupid question but is Snoke supposed to be an actual giant alien or is that just the way he appears in a large sized holograph projection.

I hope to god he's actually a giant alien dark side master because that will be hilarious.

[CodyB]

Did anyone else think that Luke kind of looks like a Dwarf in the short scene at the end? Dude does not look good in a beard at all.

[kaotic]

(12-22-2015 05:12 PM)El Chinito loco Wrote:  

This sounds like a stupid question but is Snoke supposed to be an actual giant alien or is that just the way he appears in a large sized holograph projection.

I hope to god he's actually a giant alien dark side master because that will be hilarious.

No, but remember when Darth Vader contacted Emperor Palpatine, his hologram was huge, just like any of the Sith Master talking to their apprentices. I highly doubt Snoke is that huge.

(12-22-2015 05:31 PM)CodyB Wrote:  

Did anyone else think that Luke kind of looks like a Dwarf in the short scene at the end? Dude does not look good in a beard at all.

He looked pretty tall to me, he doesn't look that bad. Ever notice Qui Gon and Obiwan had beards as masters ? I guess Luke is carrying on the tradition (and the belly)

I can only imagine what Luke is going to do in VIII

[El Chinito loco]

(12-22-2015 05:47 PM)kaotic Wrote:  

No, but remember when Darth Vader contacted Emperor Palpatine, his hologram was huge, just like any of the Sith Master talking to their apprentices. I highly doubt Snoke is that huge.

That's too bad. I wanted to see non carbon gaseous vapor alien jedi, tiny insect jedi, and giant king kong sith masters.

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He looked pretty tall to me, he doesn't look that bad. Ever notice Qui Gon and Obiwan had beards as masters ? I guess Luke is carrying on the tradition (and the belly)

I can only imagine what Luke is going to do in VIII

There was definitely some callback there to Alec Guinness. The whole hood, beard, and mannerism was very original trilogy Obi wan.


Mark Hamill can actually be a pretty decent actor when he wants to be. I don't watch cartoons but apparently he's one of the best voice actors out there.

[realologist]

I just watched this. I took the movie for what it was and enjoyed it enough for what it was.

I want to start on Kylo Ren. In the beginning of the movie he seemed like he was going to be a badass. Had a strong start with a high level of control of the dark side of the force. Stopped a lazer blast.

Then he weakened throughout the movie. Turned from badass to a weak ass SJW emo type character. I think the first mistake was him taking off his mask and letting people know too early he was Han and Leia's son. That should have been reserved for one of the later movies.

Plus you can't have the major villian have a weaker jaw then the female lead.

Everyone that watched it knows what's wrong with the female lead Rey.

What made it enjoyable was sticking to what made the original trilogy great. I'm interested if any of the back stories of some of these characters will be covered because they seem like they would make a great story.

Overall if you like the original Star Wars, go see it. If the original trilogy is the top pro league, this movie was the semi-pros. Enjoyable enough to go once or twice but not something that you want to see all the time.

[Captainstabbin]

(12-22-2015 09:33 PM)realologist Wrote:  

Plus you can't have the major villian have a weaker jaw then the female lead.

Of course you can, she's a "strong" female character.

These are the people who thought Rousey could beat Mayweather. They created the ultimate feminist character - friendzoned men are devoted to her and will risk death for her, she's smarter than men, a better mechanic, pilot, fighter, survivor, force user and saber wielder. She's in her late teens or early 20s and has no need for a man and no thought of having children - plenty of time for that in her late 30s.

A few more questions:
What was the point of Kylo's mask?
How did he get Vader's mask?
Why did Rey offer Luke his saber back? He had another one.
Why are they looking for Luke? Presumably, through the force, he knows what's happening in the galaxy. Surely he sensed Han's death the same way Leia did. If he wanted to help, he would.

[RoastBeefCurtains4Me]

When I saw the movie, they had a trailer for X-Men Apocalypse, and what I characterize as Harry Potter Apocolypse, Star Trek Apocalypse, and two other new sci-fi/fantasy Apocalypse movies. Oh! There is a new Captain America Apocolypse movie coming out. It's hard to keep track.

It's almost like the lamestream media is trying to prepare us for something.

[Dan Woolf]

(12-22-2015 10:43 PM)Captainstabbin Wrote:  

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What was the point of Kylo's mask?

He wants to be like Darth Vader - scary, imposing and mysterious figure. That's all there is to it.

How did he get Vader's mask?

Luke burned Vader's armor and prosthetics at the end of Episode VI (his body became one with the Force). Someone probably took it from the funeral pyre long after Luke had left Endor and it somehow got to Kylo. Don't forget, Darth Vader is Kylo's grandfather and Kylo worships him.

Why did Rey offer Luke his saber back? He had another one.

It was originally the lightsaber of Anakin Skywalker/Darth Vader. Obi-Wan took it after he defeated Anakin at the end of Episode III and gave it to Luke at the start of Episode IV. Luke lost it at the end of Episode V when Vader cut his hand off. After that, Luke constructed a new lightsaber with the the green blade. It's like a family jewel of the Skywalkers.

Here:







Why are they looking for Luke? Presumably, through the force, he knows what's happening in the galaxy. Surely he sensed Han's death the same way Leia did. If he wanted to help, he would.

They are ripping off the Original Trilogy and Luke is the new Obi-Wan in every possible way - living in seclusion, his apprentice turned to the Dark Side and slaughtered hundreds of Jedis... "Help me, Obi-Wan Kenobi. You're my only hope." Just like Obi-Wan, Luke is well aware of what's going on in the galaxy and just like Obi-Wan, he's too bitter, depressed and cynical to do anything about it until the young hero (Luke/Rey) shows up on his doorstep and demands him to take action. He thinks he has failed everyone important to him and is wallowing in self-pity.

He will probably sacrifice himself within the next two films - this Episode was about Han, next will probably be about Leia and the last Episode will be about Luke.

[Easy_C]

(12-22-2015 04:57 PM)Captainstabbin Wrote:  

That would be too cool for JJ to have considered. Plus, he's already said that Kylo and Snoke aren't sith. They are dark side users who are supposed to be distinct from the sith...whatever that means.

"Sith" is just membership in an organization. That just means they aren't affiliated with the Sith order or their traditions.

[porscheguy]

(12-23-2015 10:16 AM)Easy_C Wrote:  

(12-22-2015 04:57 PM)Captainstabbin Wrote:  

That would be too cool for JJ to have considered. Plus, he's already said that Kylo and Snoke aren't sith. They are dark side users who are supposed to be distinct from the sith...whatever that means.

"Sith" is just membership in an organization. That just means they aren't affiliated with the Sith order or their traditions.

So you have two people who practice in the dark side, presumably one is a master and one is the apprentice? They wear black, and use red light sabers. They're not Sith, but they do everything like the Sith?

And those Knights of Ren? How long before infighting causes them to start killing each other, just like the original Sith? Or are they some kind of special millennial dark side users who overlook their differences, embrace diversity, and work together for a common goal?

[DannyAlberta]

I earlier commented on how tired the cliche of the roundhouse kicking chick warrior was and how it merely reflects feminist propaganda. However, I hadn't considered whether the message being sent by such characters was potentially damaging to many young girls until today.

Stefan Molyneux makes the argument in this video that seeing a woman with no practice, training or known skill suddenly and inexplicably dominate men in every area (including those who have trained years or their whole lives to do difficult tasks) is not a good message for young girls to receive as it sets them up for only disappointment when they find they can't succeed at these difficult tasks simply by having a uterus.

Half of me thinks this is an overreaction as Star Wars is obviously a fantasy type film (i.e. everyone watching it has no expectation it is in any way reflective of reality). But no doubt if the genders were reversed the SJWs and feminists of the world would be saying the message sent was totally "toxic". So there might be something to this.

[Parzival]

I did enjoy the film and looking forward for the next parts.

I liked that we don't know what made Ren fucked up. Did Han suck as father? Rise by his uncle Luke or by his single mom?
Also I like that he is not complete now, so he struggle with his way and his powers. Also who is is Master and where does he come from?
Nice move to not let Poe Dameron be the hero. I was thinking so first.
Why is Rey able to use the power now, where does she come from? This is a bit out of hand. Just out of sudden she is able to use this stuff.
Well Han Solo dies by the hand of his own son. Actually Harrison Ford want to let Han die already in Part IV but George Luckas was against ist.

What I did not like, Finn.
He was rise since a kid to be a trooper but at his first mission he question everything? Maybe this is possible but then help the rebels? Not even that, no he also kills his own comrades. The ones he grew up with. Not even hesitate. Then later they say he was just a cleaner, and know everything about the new weapon and its weak points. How much do a cleaner know in a big company or a simple worker? How much do a soldier know in an army? All super secret stuff? Come on. This was the only thing that was not good for me.

About the hero be a women. I remember the cry at Mad Max be a feminist movie but then I saw it and it was not like that. A good move would be to make Ren a women and Rey a man. Roles reserved. A bad female would be good. But then I guess some would also cry about that. How can a women be that strong bla bla bla. It seems like some not even like women in movies lol
Anyway all in all a good movie for me. Main actors a female and a black. I could care less because it was good entertainment.

Also there had been sexual tension between Han and Leyla and Finn and Rey. Maybe Rey is even Lukes daughter, so he had sex too! So when she is in direct line from Luke and Ren in line from his sister that had not been a jedi, Ren has weaker force inside him then Rey. Maybe that explain it.

[Handsome Creepy Eel]

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I liked that we don't know what made Ren fucked up. Did Han suck as father? Rise by his uncle Luke or by his single mom?
Also I like that he is not complete now, so he struggle with his way and his powers. Also who is is Master and where does he come from?

Seriously, you're overthinking it. There's no deep story or emotional connection to be found in these characters, and anyone looking for one is going to suffer from some crushing disappointment later.

[kaotic]

If you've seen the movie and know about Kylo Ren, you'll enjoy Emo Kylo Ren's Twitter feed:

https://twitter.com/kylor3n

You're welcome.

He makes fun of black lives matter, gender, gamergate, all kinds of sjw stuff.

[trian1]

Many of the complains made in this thread are reflected in this review:

11 Serious Problems With The New Star Wars Movie

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To me, “Episode VII” was a thoroughly average film, far better than the prequels (as it was almost certain to be) but still wracked by a multitude of flaws.

Link: http://dailycaller.com/2015/12/23/11-ser...ars-movie/

[Handsome Creepy Eel]

Quote:

To me, “Episode VII” was a thoroughly average film, far better than the prequels (as it was almost certain to be) but still wracked by a multitude of flaws.

I think the author of the article is cucking here, i.e. softly criticizing The Force Awakens but at the same time trying to not offend anyone by trying to claim it's a good movie and "far better than the prequels". Which, when you consider reviews like "this movie was so awful that even Jar Jar Binks would have made it better.... my God what am I saying!", is just disingenuous and not true at all.

The prequels were a letdown in many regards, but were still good popcorn flicks and (other than that midichloarian crap) perfectly consistent with the rest of the Star Wars universe. And the most important thing of all - they were not SJW propaganda.

[Malo]

Just saw it.. need to vent.

Well Lucas was often criticized about the flaws in his star wars movies but at least they had their charm.

That's completely gone now. Patchy movie, looks like a "Star Wars: The Best Of" compilation, trying to please everybody with bits and pieces of past moments but little to no original plot.

It almost looks like Disney didn't dare to create a story of their own. "Let's just completely rehash the old stuff, can't go wrong with that" sort of thing.

As for the so called political agenda, it's little more than a part of the above the way I see it. "The media is left oriented, so let's have it cheer for us with a black hero and a strong female character". All a part of the marketing, nothing more nothing less.

One big patchy money machine with no added value. If you like Star Wars just watch the old movies again. Shit, even The Phantom Menace is way better than The Force Awakens, hard to believe that would ever happen.

And LOL I'm just skiming now through links posted in this thread and I see many share my thoughts almost word for word.

[Ingocnito]

Saw yesterday. Thought it was fairly solid, and wasn't overrun by disdain I thought I'd feel with the PC-correct casting on main characters, however, all the hype is just that.. a massive hype machine.

I figured theaters would STILL be packed a week later due to holiday crowding, so I made sure to buy tix online. Theater only had 30 people in it much to my surprise. I was glad they stuck to some of the older space craft fighting scenes, and wasn't upset about the old characters appearances. yet, something more primal was lacking.

Well they're set up for VIII based on ending. We'll see if they can get some momentum based off this average retrace of Lucas.. Undecided on what exactly lacked in the primal sense. Probably have to watch it one more time paying less attention to computer graphics. I do wish they would step off this "Kid of the father who somehow wasn't good enough to stop the 'force' from turning their child to dark side.." seriously, how long can the same rehashing last? Let's not make Star Wars into a Friday the 13th series folks !

[N°6]

i think the Revenge of the Sith was better than this.

For me the ranking is:

1. Empire Strikes Back
2. A New Hope
3. Return of the Jedi pre-Ewok
4. Revenge of the Sith
5. The Force Awakens
6. Attack of the Clones
7. Return of the Jedi - Ewoks
8. Phantom Menace

[Onto]

Saw it this week and what a disappointment. I grew up with Star Wars and remember seeing it back in '77 when I was 7 years old.

I don't think they will ever make a better one than Empire.

In this new movie, Harrison Ford did a really great job. The Millennium Falcon scenes were engaging. Abrahms does very well with that. The new girl is hot and can act, but I'm obviously not thrilled with this being a "Hunger Games" heroine trilogy. The final scene with Luke was awesome. Only he can save the next movie, especially if he takes up the role of being a hard-ass teacher. Doubt that will happen though.

What the movie really lacked was a strong "bad guy". The strength of any hero movie is not so much in the protagonist, but the antagonist. The bad guys in this movie lacked any kind of depth, and were very weak. Very different from the calm, dread Darth Vader and Emperor/Palpaltine invoked. You could feel their evil powers.

The story sucked as well. As much as i liked Fin, a civilian has no business wielding a light-saber and doing battle against a Sith. Not only does he do that, but he gets some shots in on him too! That is just plain ridiculous. I can make some allowance for the girl because she is in touch with the force, but even that was still a stretch.

The whole Star Wars saga has now completely degenerated from masculine hero to feminine heroine with the new modern theme of "killing the absentee Father". The movie even shows how it was the Mother's plans for her son that drove the wedge between the Father and Son. This is really true for most modern day families.

It's been said that Artists are the antennae for the race. They reflect through their art what is already rife in the culture. 200 years from now if people want to see what society was like in the early 2000's, this movie would be a good representation of that.