[Syberpunk]

Relevant to the thread.
Never seen him do a video this long.

[CynicalContrarian]

(06-05-2018 04:22 AM)JackinMelbourne Wrote:  

At this point, who really gives a shit anymore about SW. Kill the thread.

If one is to discuss certain topics such as abortion. Certain folk will instantly switch off cause the topic is way too politicized, if not personal.

Whereas using the vehicle of Disney Star Wars to highlight & prove the faults & failings of all things 'Progressivism', is not as liable to 'trigger' folk into panic / reee-steria / shutdown mode.

[Belgrano]

‘Solo’ Will Lose Disney a Fortune — but Analysts Still Tiptoe Around the Reason Why

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An industry analyst tells the far-left Hollywood Reporter that Solo could lose more than $80 million. Yeah, right. Not for a second do I believe the loss will be that low, but that is the headline.

Actually, that is not the headline. The Hollywood Reporter went with a “$50 million” headline because, you know, that’s what Disney would want them to do.

Just more proof that establishment entertainment outlets like the Hollywood Reporter (and Variety, Entertainment Weekly, Deadline, countless fanboy blogs, etc.) are not about journalism or truth. Each exists to curry favor with and access to Studio Power, not to speak truth to it.

This is called spin, y’all, and a $50 million loss makes everyone shrug. My guess is that the loss could reach $150 million to $200 million-plus. Unlike the media, however, I am going to show you my math.

Solo’s reported budget (production and marketing) is $400 million, but it is probably higher. By the time all the costs were added to Last Jedi, the tally equaled $578 million. We are told Solo is the most expensive Star Wars movie yet made, but let’s be generous and go with $500 million.

Solo’s estimated worldwide theatrical gross is $400 million.

Solo will make money on home video, but not as much as Rogue One, which only grossed $80 million, and that is not pure profit. There are advertising, distribution, and manufacturing costs. Let’s be generous and say Solo will gross $60 million on home video and net $35 million.

The theaters generally pocket 50 to 55 percent of the box office revenue, so Disney will pocket about $200 million in net theater revenue; add the $35 million in home video revenue, and you come up with $235 million.

When you subtract that $235 million from a production budget that probably touches $500 million… Hey, I may have gone to public schools, but that ain’t no $50 million loss.

Sadly, this is the kind of fuzzy math we should expect from the same Hollywood Reporter currently engaged in a cover-up of the intense, grassroots fan revolt against Star Wars executive producer Kathleen Kennedy and her obnoxious decision to bend the Star Wars universe to conform to her joyless identity politics.

After all, this is the same Hollywood Reporter determined to delude itself into believing something called “Star Wars Fatigue” killed Solo, even after Avengers: Infinity War broke box office records just nine weeks after Black Panther‘s release.

The overall point I am trying to make here is that the trades (as the establishment entertainment media are known) are nothing less than an extension of the studios’ marketing and spin team, which means the trades lie and cover up.

Need another example?

Because everyone is pointing and laughing at a dog refusing to hunt named Star Wars Fatigue, here is the latest lame excuse: Even as its very own commenters fill the Deadline site with complaints about the divisive politics ladled onto Star Wars, rather than publish even a single article reporting on and acknowledging those complaints, Deadline actually — l.m.a.o. — published this:

[Veteran media analyst Doug] Creutz pointed to the first teaser for Rogue One, which came out 247 days before the movie. (But who’s counting? Creutz, apparently.) “The first 35 seconds of the trailer almost exclusively focuses on Felicity Jones as the protagonist Jyn Erso, selling her as a new franchise hero,” he writes. “The second half is dominated by the Imperial alert klaxon and Forest Whitaker’s voice over, and practically screams ‘EPIC’ at the viewer, before closing on another hero shot of Jones.” The first teaser for Solo, he noted, came out just 108 days out from release. The teaser, by our count, only had about 10 seconds of screen time where Ehrenreich’s face was clearly in the picture — not, in our opinion, nearly enough.”

STAR WARS FANS: No way anyone could come up with anything dumber than Star Wars Fatigue.

DEADLINE: Hold my beer.

So the latest reason Solo failed — keep in mind we are talking about the most famous and iconic brand in all of movie history — is 10 seconds of teaser trailer screen time, compared to 35 seconds; and the release of that trailer about four months prior to movie’s release, as opposed to eight months.

This, my friends, is how desperate the trades are to avoid reporting the truth, to avoid talking about the biggest entertainment story in decades.

There is simply no question that Kathleen Kennedy’s decision to ham-handedly inject moments of wokeness into a beloved universe — a universe that is supposed to be set a long time ago in a faraway galaxy, mind you — is killing a franchise even the dreaded Lucas prequels could not kill.

Star Wars is supposed to be about fantasy, about escaping from reality, about taking a two-hour vacation away from our world… That does not mean the franchise cannot have something to say about the human condition or other big themes. Certainly, the original trilogy touched on these things. But that is not what Kennedy is doing. Rather, she is so inept and blunderingly determined to send a message, she constantly breaks the spell, constantly sets up tripwires in her own movies meant to shock us back into reality. Worse still, she hectors and scolds, divides and shames.

And even when Kennedy is not scolding and shaming, we cannot relax and enjoy the movie, because we know the sucker punch is coming. We are always on guard. Rather than focusing on the fantasy world, we’re now thinking about the real-world names in the credits. Thinking about how they hate us. Why they hate us. Just because we politely disagree.

Above all, Star Wars is supposed to be fun. The Kennedy Experience is not fun.

What used to be a two-hour adventure involving adventure, romance, and heroism is now a two-hour trip to social justice summer camp with computer-animated action scenes.

Disney’s Star Wars franchise has some other problems, as well, including a almost comical lack of direction. What’s more, The Last Jedi pretty much negated everything fans hold dear (including a literal book burning). Then there is the systematic killing off of beloved actors, only to replace them with charisma-free actors; the systematic killing off of beloved characters, only to replace them with characters we really feel no investment in; too many Mary Sues who weigh in at 75 pounds but still manage to kick grown men’s asses (In TLJ, they digitally altered a shot to protect Rey)…

But according to our entertainment media overlords, everything is chill. Super-cool. No worries.

Seriously, it’s all good.

You see, Solo only lost a pittance, a mere $50 million, and all the next Star Wars lecture movie needs to do is add about 15 seconds to that teaser trailer, and those of us who have been relentlessly smeared in these movies as sexist, racist, backwards, homophobes and pansexualophobes are gunna line up around the block.

For realsies.

Looks like this movie will be one big disaster for Disney.
I doubt that they care too much though, given their agenda.

[Richard Turpin]

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After all, this is the same Hollywood Reporter determined to delude itself into believing something called “Star Wars Fatigue” killed Solo, even after Avengers: Infinity War broke box office records just nine weeks after Black Panther‘s release.

Star Wars Fatigue ?!!? The disingenuous, lying scum. I was a SW nut as a child and the goodwill I had for the franchise (up until TLJ) would have caused me to happily watch a genuine SW movie every year for the rest of my life. That'd be no problem. Hell, that's why I still can't leave this thread alone!

But no. The propaganda they are making now is unrecognisable to me. They hijacked and killed my franchise. I watched TFA and TLJ only once at the theatre. I would usually have gone back a couple of times each. I did not buy either one on Blu-Ray. And now I've let SOLO go by without going to see it. This would be unthinkable just a few years ago for me, turning my back on a Han Solo standalone movie! But they aren't making their movies for people like me anymore so that's fine, there's always plenty of other things to waste money on.

[Simeon_Strangelight]

Disney will lose hundreds of millions on that one for sure. I doubt that they will reach even 400 mio. $.

That guy did a couple good vids that show the problems even with the Farce Awakens:

All the original movies would be utterly destroyed even starting with Episode IV. JarJar Abrams broke so many good storytelling rules that it's absolutely ridiculous for that crappy movie to have ever made 2 bio. $. In the future Rey will be shown in movie classes as the perfect example of a Mary Sue put in aside from fan-fiction.

[Aurini]

Jay Jay Abrams doesn't make movies. He makes fanfics.

Anything good in his movies, he lifted without understanding where it originated. He's a 12 year old fanboy, who can't tell a story to save his life.

[UncleSam]

hahaha, Kelly Marie Tran who played Rose Tico in the Last Jedi deleted all her instagram posts because of "internet harassment". That means some trolls constantly communicated to her how f.ing awful and useless that character was.

Of course the usual suspects are coming to the rescue right now to blow this "drama" up to no end. So much for strong female characters in the real world who can't deal with this stuff in a more confident way.

[godfather dust]

I have a feeling every unknown actor/actress that has signed on to these movies has ended their career.

[Simeon_Strangelight]

(06-06-2018 06:19 PM)UncleSam Wrote:  

hahaha, Kelly Marie Tran who played Rose Tico in the Last Jedi deleted all her instagram posts because of "internet harassment". That means some trolls constantly communicated to her how f.ing awful and useless that character was.

Of course the usual suspects are coming to the rescue right now to blow this "drama" up to no end. So much for strong female characters in the real world who can't deal with this stuff in a more confident way.

It's always the less attractive women who cannot take the heat anymore:



That black woman from Ghostbusters used her tears to get Milo banned.

Rose Tico was just a terrible character and the actress looks like a nice person, but the problem is that she like all the others simply doubled down on their defense of Tico. She honestly said how great the movie and her character were.

Besides - I doubt that she is loves the publicity - she only got her social media accounts right before the movie and now she closed them after the movie. Unattractive actresses are best advised to not have any social media - it negates what social media can do for them - getting positive ego feels.

The actress by the way has said nothing what sparked her deletion, but the media is making up constant lies blaming the toxic fan-base.

Maybe Disney should hire Down-Syndrome Jedi masters and watch what happens then.

[Richard Turpin]

(06-06-2018 09:50 PM)godfather dust Wrote:  

I have a feeling every unknown actor/actress that has signed on to these movies has ended their career.

Yep. While not totally unknown, I remember watching TLJ thinking what a huge disservice was being done to Oscar Isaac. He showed enough charisma in The Force Awakens to deserve more character elaboration in TLJ, but no, as it turns out, Poe Dameron was there just to be humiliated and emasculated by 'Strong Independent Women'.

That actor is good and varied enough to shrug this shit-show off and keep on trucking. Others aren't though. Despite early promise, Boyega can't act and is already over-saturated, and don't even get me started on Daisy Ridley. Definitely not unknown, is Benicio del Toro, but if ever an actor 'phoned-in his lines' it was him in this instance. He's another one of those actors who sadly has almost become a parody of himself. But yeah, the actress playing Rose is fucked basically.

[Syberpunk]

Back in the day, Lucas and Kasdan having a conversation on Return of the Jedi (Episode VI), look what didn't happen in this one, because Lucas vetoed it, versus what Mr. Edgy (((Kasdan))) & Son and Rian Roundhead Johnson wanted and years later got because they're unoriginal and can't imagine for shit. Even then they were trying to edge it in:

The entirety of whats going wrong with messages in entertainment today can be summed in this dialogue.

Fascinating look into their minds:

https://www.reddit.com/r/StarWars/commen...iscussion/

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Kasdan: I think you should kill Luke and have Leia take over.

Lucas: You don’t want to kill Luke.

Kasdan: Okay, then kill Yoda.

Lucas: I don’t want to kill Yoda. You don’t have to kill people. You’re a product of the 1980s. You don’t go around killing people. It’s not nice.

Kasdan: No, I’m not. I’m trying to give the story some kind of an edge to it.

Lucas: I know you’re trying to make it more realistic, which is what I tried to do when I killed Ben—but I managed to take the edge off of it—and it’s what I tried to do when I froze Han. But this is the end of the trilogy and we’ve already established that there are real dangers. I don’t think we have to kill anyone to prove it.

Kasdan: No one has been hurt.

Lucas: Ben and Han, they’ve both—Luke got his hand cut off.

Kasdan: Ben and Han are fine. Luke got a new hand two cuts later.

Lucas: By killing somebody, I think you alienate the audience.

Kasdan: I’m saying that the movie has more emotional weight if someone you love is lost along the way; the journey has more impact.

Lucas: I don’t like that and I don’t believe that.

Kasdan: Well, that’s all right.

Lucas: I have always hated that in movies, when you go along and one of the main characters gets killed. This is a fairytale. You want everybody to live happily ever after and nothing bad happens to anybody.

Kasdan: I hate it when characters get killed, too.

Lucas: Oh, you do.

Kasdan: I do.

Lucas: I resent it and I resented it when I was a little kid. I would watch and there would be these five guys and one of them would be the funny clown and halfway through, one of them gets killed. Why did they kill the lead? He was the best character.

Marquand: I felt that about Ben the first time I saw Star Wars.

Kasdan: But that one worked like crazy.

Lucas: Yes, I know. But we’ve done that. The same thing with Han. The biggest reaction we got was when people asked, “How can you leave the movie half finished?” Well, the main thrust of this one is that it has to be fun.

Kasdan: All of our material here is not fun.

Lucas: Well, I know we’ve got the serious side.

Kasdan: We have a lot of grim stuff here.

Lucas: Well, that’s why we have to concentrate on the fun.

Kasdan: There isn’t much fun stuff. There is the Jabba stuff.

Lucas: That’s fun.

Kasdan: And the Ewok stuff and that’s it.

Lucas: There are three parts to the movie: Jabba, the Ewoks, and Luke and the Emperor. Luke and the Emperor are not fun and the other two are. I think that we can roll along with the fun parts and still have this undercurrent of a fairly serious study of father and son, and good and evil. The whole concept of the original film is that Luke redeems his father, which is the classic fairytale: a good father/bad father who the good son will turn back into the good father. We can have a serious line and still have a fairly light film.

The whole point of the film, the whole emotion that I am trying to get at the end of this film, is for you to be real uplifted, emotionally and spiritually, and feel absolutely good about life. That is the greatest thing that we could possibly ever do.

REVENGE OF THE JEDI STORY CONFERENCE TRANSCRIPT, JULY 13 TO JULY 17, 1981 from The Making of Return of the Jedi book by J.W. Rinzler.

The man had a social conscience (I hate that word) and not in the SJW sense, more hippie like. Funny I heard Mel Gibson saying that when he is making films he sticks to a mantra: Entertain, Educate, and then finally Elevate (if your lucky) in that order.

The new films are less fantasy and heroic aspiration and more sullen psychoananlysis to reflect a darker time, but the 70's were incredibly dark, not only in film but in the USA and further afield, and Star Wars was an antidote to that which is half the reason it had its insane success! They went with reimagined Battlestar Galactica and not what made it successful in the first place which wasn't the bloody physical sets they autistically go about....it was the story and the escapism and the serial nature of it. 1940's style.

Look what Marvel is, all humour and people flock to it because precisely because its not dreary front facing existential Oscar bait.

[eljeffster]

(06-07-2018 10:28 AM)Syberpunk Wrote:  

Back in the day, Lucas and Kasdan having a conversation on Return of the Jedi (Episode VI), look what didn't happen in this one, because Lucas vetoed it, versus what Mr. Edgy (((Kasdan))) & Son and Rian Roundhead Johnson wanted and years later got because they're unoriginal and can't imagine for shit. Even then they were trying to edge it in:

The entirety of whats going wrong with messages in entertainment today can be summed in this dialogue.

Fascinating look into their minds:

https://www.reddit.com/r/StarWars/commen...iscussion/

That is a really fascinating excerpt and puts a gram more weight on the nonexistent respect for George Lucas after he made the prequels. Now that he has divested Star Wars, I would pay to watch a documentary by Lucas explaining how badly he messed up his Star Wars film legacy.

[Simeon_Strangelight]

Kasdan sounds like the typical nihilist postmodernist cultural marxist. Kill the goy!!!!!!!!!!! Let the feminist Leia rule!

Lucas despite all the faults did not destroy the Star Wars franchise. Disney did it all and they are still not done with shitting on it.

[Vill@in]

(06-07-2018 01:53 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  

The actress by the way has said nothing what sparked her deletion, but the media is making up constant lies blaming the toxic fan-base.

Yeah I wouldn't be surprised if all this Kelly Marie Tran social media bullshit is just a PR Stunt. Notice they flip the narrative of Solo being a total financial flop to now being how fans are racist and we forced a nice girl like Kelly to delete her Instagram.

Typical (and predictable) SJW tactic to flip it and bring it back to being the victim. Like you mentioned Tran has yet to say why she deleted, but Rian Roundhead Johnson took to Twitter to allude to hateful fans being the cause.

What a dumpster fire Disney Star Wars has become.

[LeBeau]

(06-06-2018 07:38 AM)Richard Turpin Wrote:  

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After all, this is the same Hollywood Reporter determined to delude itself into believing something called “Star Wars Fatigue” killed Solo, even after Avengers: Infinity War broke box office records just nine weeks after Black Panther‘s release.

Star Wars Fatigue ?!!? The disingenuous, lying scum. I was a SW nut as a child and the goodwill I had for the franchise (up until TLJ) would have caused me to happily watch a genuine SW movie every year for the rest of my life. That'd be no problem. Hell, that's why I still can't leave this thread alone!

Especially with all the great stories from the books, I'm sure there would be a lot of fans who could read a new book each month, and then look forward to a new movie each year.

This trainwreck wouldn't have been quite so bad had they at least stuck to the established stories and continuity. I'd much rather have a warped SJW version of Mara Jade than Rey in the first place.

That said, I believe there's a lot of forces at work within the media/entertainment complex that aren't in this to make a huge profit. If you were a billionaire, some of the amounts invested would be small potatoes. Disney and others are growing even worse as a system of influence, narrative control, and cultural power.

Rogue One wasn't bad when it came out since it meshed fairly well with A New Hope. Beyond that, I've boycotted TLJ and Solo and will continue to do so for others unless something major changes.

[Simeon_Strangelight]

Analyst recommendations are a joke to actual successful traders and fund managers, but they are taken seriously by some people.

https://cowen.bluematrix.com/sellside/Em...ource=mail

The idea that the Solo under-performance is based mainly on bad marketing is ridiculous. The promotion started late, because they were still shooting that damned thing while launch dates are set up way in advance and they had the Memorial Weekend plus 2 weeks afterwards all to their own with no competition.

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‘Solo’ A No-Go Due To “Poor Marketing,” Not Franchise Fatigue, Analyst Says
by Dade Hayes

The leftist cultural marxist insanity is spilling over into all fields.

Disney shares went down because some investors know very well that Disney has ruined the Star Wars franchise and all movies are going to make much less money - many more flops will follow.

[Handsome Creepy Eel]

As foretold by Galadriel

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The power of the enemy is growing. Disney will use its puppet Kathleen Kennedy to destroy the fans of Star Wars. The Eye of Globalists now turns to Marvel, the last free storyline of men. Their war on this franchise will come swiftly.

[Player_1337]

Once I started seeing people get nostalgic regarding the prequels (1/2/3) I knew the franchise was officially going down the tubes. Perhaps they only seem better now by comparison + the lack of glaring political and social propaganda.

For all the prequel apologists- despite some solid moments, those movies are pretty awful. Lucas and the powers that be squandered the opportunity to tell a fantastic story (a compelling three movie arc focusing on Anakin's transformation into one of the most iconic characters in film history) and ultimately did a MAJOR disservice to the franchise in almost every creative aspect.

The original trilogy (4/5/6) were a major touchstone in both film-making and the popular consciousness. The prequel trilogy-- not so much. Just try to imagine the same movies (the prequels) but as part of a new intellectual property/potential franchise. They would have more than likely universally flopped both creatively and commercially.

[Simeon_Strangelight]

SJWs always double down - Stephen Colbert vid - fast-forward to 1:30.

In what world is it good to insult your fanbase even further?

Let's say McDonald's came out with 3 new burgers replacing the BigMac, Filet-O-Fish and Cheeseburger. All 3 would be hated by the customers.

Would McDonald's double down and say: "Fuck you - you misogynist pieces of shit. You obviously hate women, because those tested well among the female age groups 51-55 - our new target demographic. So fuck you again! We will replace all burgers with our new ones and make you wear a pussy hat in everyone of our stores!"

But that is exactly what the Disney managers, the writers and director and their shill media are doing! It's absolutely insane. Even if I made a conservative leaning movie, then I would just ignore the negatives and answer to criticism:

"Sorry that some people did not like it. We just wanted to create a gripping exciting story that is for people of all races and all political convictions."

"But what about diversity and representation? What about different political, viewpoints, homosexual heroes and transgenders?"

"This is a story from a galaxy far far away. If it fits the story, then we will include all those points and we are not confirming or denying anything for future projects."

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That is how you respond to it and bind every meaningful creator to stay as neutral or positive as possible. Essentially you answer the way the PR department would answer when someone asks them whether the Big Mac is for men, women or transgenders.

You obviously don't say - fuck the misogynist pieces of shit - it's for transgenders and women second.

[Cr33pin]

[Easy_C]

(06-08-2018 06:40 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  

Analyst recommendations are a joke to actual successful traders and fund managers, but they are taken seriously by some people.

Interesting video. Can't stand the guy's voice but....Rian Johnson is delusional.

Question resulting from this: What's the argument to go long on Disney right now? Their biggest assets are Marvel, Star Wars, and Pixar. Pixar's been in a slow decline for some time now and is now releasing more sequels than originals. Marvel has most likely peaked with Infinity War, and Star Wars has just had it's long term viability killed through Kathleen Kennedy's idealogue management of it. I don't see any positive catalyst for their earnings on the horizon.

edit: now that I think about this, I should look into placing a put option on them.

Sidenote: Nobody takes the analyst's recommendation seriously. The reason you read analyst reports is because the research reports include a lot of relevant data in one place.

[scorpion]

If I were Bob Iger (Disney CEO) I'd be up Christopher Nolan's ass until he agreed to sign on to direct the next Star Wars trilogy. I'd pay him whatever he wanted and give him full creative control. The movies would be critically acclaimed and make a ton of money for the studio.

Super complicated stuff, right? Hire the best guy you can find and get out of his way while he does the work. One of the most basic principles of business, and yet completely lost on these SJWs who can't resist pushing their politics, even when it comes at the expense of profits.

[Easy_C]

Sidenote: I saw Valerian earlier this week.

Watch that movie, then look at the relative critic scores for that movie compared to Last Jedi. It's proof that critics have their heads so far up their assess that damn freight train couldn't pull em out.

Yeah there's a little bit of you-go-ism in it but none of the characters are so perfect or so flawless as to be unlikeable. The plot actually made sense and the events that happen in the movie turn out to have a good reason for happening. Locations in the movie are easily observable as existing for a reason that makes sense in the setting. The characters have more personality than a cardboard cutout. The main protagonist is well...not exactly Brock Samson but he is shown at the beginning of the movie having a rolodeck of dozens of notches and they're not afraid to portray the female lead as having sex appeal (she spends the first part of the movie in a bikini).

And the art design is in an entirely different league.

[N°6]

So the 1970s Hans Solo who was the anti-hero, working-class, Steve McQueen in space who reverses hypergamy, and becomes a general; is portrayed as the soy-laden fussy houseboy C3P0 whom the original disdained?

[Player_1337]

(06-09-2018 03:31 PM)scorpion Wrote:  

If I were Bob Iger (Disney CEO) I'd be up Christopher Nolan's ass until he agreed to sign on to direct the next Star Wars trilogy. I'd pay him whatever he wanted and give him full creative control. The movies would be critically acclaimed and make a ton of money for the studio.

Super complicated stuff, right? Hire the best guy you can find and get out of his way while he does the work. One of the most basic principles of business, and yet completely lost on these SJWs who can't resist pushing their politics, even when it comes at the expense of profits.

I've always felt Hollywood hated Nolan since discovering he's likely a conservative. There was even a plethora of material written that 'The Dark Knight' and 'Dark Knight Rises' carried conservative undertones.