[The_CEO]

(08-08-2015 03:37 PM)CRR Wrote:  

I'm no online dating expert, but a friend of mine who gets reasonable quality women IRL and through online dating (7s), gets messages from the most butt-heinous, fat, old women to the point where it rattles his confidence.

He's 6'0, 37 years old, slim, decent job and looks, and as I said, pulls at least decent looking, fit women IRL.

But good lord some of the women who message him (he texts me the 'winners'). Many are several years older, many are morbidly obese, or both. It's insane.

There is an overall moral to all of this, and that is as a man, you have to make your own way. It's our natural instincts as hunters/gatherer. I tell him to keep the faith because at least he is fairly successful in the women he pursues and to not let the gargoyles and buffaloes that pursue him to get him down.

37+ years old and chances are better IRL vs. Tinder assuming you put your real age. Unless you're David Beckham, 37 y/o on Tinder seems like a death knell.

[ryanf]

Quote:

“For young women the problem in navigating sexuality and relationships is still gender inequality,” says Elizabeth Armstrong, a professor of sociology at the University of Michigan who specializes in sexuality and gender. “Young women complain that young men still have the power to decide when something is going to be serious and when something is not—they can go, ‘She’s girlfriend material, she’s hookup material.’ … There is still a pervasive double standard. We need to puzzle out why women have made more strides in the public arena than in the private arena.”

I don't want a relationship. No means no bitch.

[Apollo21]

(08-08-2015 03:33 PM)ManVsMachine Wrote:  

(08-08-2015 02:52 PM)Apollo21 Wrote:  

Considering how many women live in New York, Tinder doesn't really reflect the actual dating market.

Tinder(and other Dating Apps) are artificial environments that usually favor women. It's like playing
an away game(for guys) where you don't always have a home field advantage. You can still win. You just have
to adjust your game.

As for power, anyone man or woman has the power to say yes, no or walk away if they don't like something.
There is no inequality when it comes to dating. Just people making decisions. If a guy can't get dates living in one city
he simply goes to the next one, and the next one. Until he gets what he wants.

If a girl complains she can't find a man, chances are she's not really trying that hard.

Here's another truth. NYC is much like SF in that the majority of, quite frankly overpaid, soft-skill jobs are only offered to women and good-ol'-boy nepotist finance jobs are offered to a select few men, and this is the vast majority of people living in the desirable areas of the city. Only with SF, replace the nepotist finance types with more of Silicon valley startup scene - although SF has finance of its own - which is bad in other ways.

No one else can afford living there. You will have a few of the artistic class - photographers, models who have agents, musicians, and students who will be gone soon - who will fill out the rest of the closet-sized studio apartments - and that's it.


It's gotten to the point where millennial women get paid MORE than men in these cities: http://www.nydailynews.com/life-style/yo...-1.2110245
This article fails also because it uses average, NOT median to determine pay. The skewing of the average is from a select few young men who are making solid six-figure salaries - and *even then* the girls still get paid more.


Both cities have a hidden underclass (Tenderloin and South SFO in SF, and Flatbush and many other scattered parts in each burrough of NY) which are irrelevant until one of the privileged class gets robbed there.


What it does is create an unbelievably great situation for the guys who can afford living there - and you find some guys take up a horrible standard of living just to experience the abundance of women. I can't say too much for NYC because I hated my stay there and only visit for very short periods of time, but in SF oftentimes you would get opened by a girl if you were at the right bar or club. Tinder would work if you are one of the fratty types living in the Marina, but if not you still need not worry.

That is unbelievable. Such a great opportunity for guys who are willing to move and get involved in different social activities in NYC.

Sometimes I feel we need 2x lifetimes just to experience everything....

[Onto]

(08-09-2015 12:38 AM)RockHard Wrote:  

(08-07-2015 08:25 PM)JayR Wrote:  

“It’s a contest to see who cares less, and guys win a lot at caring less,” Amanda says.

I'm pretty sure Rollo Tomassi has said that exact thing.

Rollo has definitely said that women are the gatekeepers of sex, men are the gatekeepers of commitment.

Based on the article, there are a lot of young women going out looking for sex and hoping to land a commitment, and are disappointed that men have caught onto the idea that there's no point buying the cow when the milk is free.

And no point buying the cow when society has set it up for him to be the one milked in the end.

[Samseau]

(08-10-2015 05:50 PM)ryanf Wrote:  

(08-08-2015 01:33 AM)Samseau Wrote:  

When I was at NYC a few weeks ago for Roosh's conference I was visiting a college buddy of mine and he told me about a girl from Tinder he was going to meet that night. She was an 35 year old East Asian 6/10. He told me she had 3800 matches.

"Did you ask her how she decided to pick you?"

"Yeah man I asked her, 'How the fuck do you decide?' and she said she liked my message. My message was 'Yoo that's a funny pic you got'."

"That's all you said?"

"Yeah my profile description is 'Tom Brady is God' none of it makes any sense bro"


So basically, the women in NYC have thousands of matches. They are like children in a candy shop; is a child being rational when he chooses which candy to eat? They just choose amongst their favorites but ultimately it is random and there is no logic to the process.

As for women who complain they aren't finding Mr. Right? They leave out the part of having thousands of matches. The whole thing is a joke and these sluts are full of shit. They just cannot admit how broken they are.

Samseau, do you produce any regular content, such as a blog? I really enjoy a lot of your contributions.

I'm working on a blog. Follow my twitter if you want to stay on top of my work.

[Belize King]

I just met a girl who had 480 matches. She showed me. She's a 6 at best. I can barely get 10 matches in 200 swipes. I've smashed 80-90 in my life so I'm not that bad looking. Need to step my picture game up.

[amusedmastery]

Wow...This thread is a testament to the wisdom and intelligence on this forum. Spot on assessments!

The most chilling aspect of the whole article to me is "Prof. Elizabeth's" desire to "puzzle out" why women aren't completely controlling men's sexual and relationship freedom. I'm starting to get some dark vibes as to where this is all heading....Mix in the whole "man up" movement from asinine new wave preachers and you get the right-left cabal in hypergamous hyperdrive. She's banging it out 2-3 times a week over a decade? Not her fault...You need to "man up" because it's YOUR fault she didn't have enough "good men" to choose from when she younger. (This completely denies hypergamy and females being the gatekeepers of sex) So, NOW you need to "man up" and marry her up. (since she's hit the wall and can't compete with the hotties at peak SMV)

Complete and total absolving of any and all responsibility.

Am I living in Bizarro World?

[scubadude]

Around here tinder is even worse than POF. Difficult to get dates with women that I would be nexting in real life. Here is a shining example of the feminist filth that lurks there, try not to puke.

[CH-Toronto]

Hey look a follow-up article:
http://www.theguardian.com/technology/20...tter-storm

It's mostly a fluff piece but this is the most telling point- and a REAL representation for the average guy on Tinder:

Quote:

Actually, I believe that women hold all the Tinder-power because they have so many matches, and most men don’t. My female friends have hundreds of matches and so many unanswered messages, whereas I rarely receive anything, and neither do my mates. Our phones lie fallow, with neither chirrup nor ping. It’s lonely, like one of those tragic restaurants that are always empty, and every time you walk by you wish – really wish – that there were customers inside, but there never are. It is rather emasculating like that.

[Barron]

(08-10-2015 06:15 PM)ryanf Wrote:  

Quote:

“For young women the problem in navigating sexuality and relationships is still gender inequality,” says Elizabeth Armstrong, a professor of sociology at the University of Michigan who specializes in sexuality and gender. “Young women complain that young men still have the power to decide when something is going to be serious and when something is not—they can go, ‘She’s girlfriend material, she’s hookup material.’ … There is still a pervasive double standard. We need to puzzle out why women have made more strides in the public arena than in the private arena.”

I don't want a relationship. No means no bitch.

It's true, men do decide whether something is going to be serious or not because that is our prerogative in the scheme of things.
However it's women's prerogative to decide if sex is on the table or not.

There is no double standard, in fact it's very simple:
Women complaining about the male's mating prerogative are attempting to remove their side of rejection.
Men face rejection on the front end, meaning when we approach a girl and she tells us "fuck off creep" that's our side of rejection.
However women have to face an equally daunting side of rejection on the back end and that is after they've given us what we want. Once sex has happened then it's the male's turn to decide whether or not we want to hang around and progress things to a more committed level.

She gets to decide whether the relationship becomes sexual and then we get to decide whether it becomes serious. Front end and back end rejection, it's the way it has always and will always work. Sorry ladies but you can't have your cake and eat it too.

[Isaac Jordan]

Free Northerner has a great write-up up of the article:

Quote:

The tables are filled with young women and men who’ve been chasing money and deals on Wall Street all day, and now they’re out looking for hookups. Everyone is drinking, peering into their screens and swiping on the faces of strangers they may have sex with later that evening. Or not. “Ew, this guy has Dad bod,” a young woman says of a potential match, swiping left. Her friends smirk, not looking up.

Alienation so deep, they’re even alienated from their own hedonistic activities.

“Tinder sucks,” they say. But they don’t stop swiping.

Addiction.

“Brittany, Morgan, Amber,” Marty says, counting on his fingers. “Oh, and the Russian—Ukrainian?”

“Ukrainian,” Alex confirms. “She works at—” He says the name of a high-end art auction house. Asked what these women are like, he shrugs. “I could offer a résumé, but that’s about it … Works at J. Crew; senior at Parsons; junior at Pace; works in finance … ”

“We don’t know what the girls are like,” Marty says.

“And they don’t know us,” says Alex.

Mutual masturbation.

“It’s rare for a woman of our generation to meet a man who treats her like a priority instead of an option,” wrote Erica Gordon on the Gen Y Web site Elite Daily, in 2014.

Why would anyone pay top price for meat that is cheap and readily available?

Short-term mating strategies” seem to work for plenty of women too; some don’t want to be in committed relationships, either, particularly those in their 20s who are focusing on their education and launching careers.

The boilerplate feminist defence in an article where women do little but lament the hook-up culture.

“Young women complain that young men still have the power to decide when something is going to be serious and when something is not—they can go, ‘She’s girlfriend material, she’s hookup material.’ … There is still a pervasive double standard. We need to puzzle out why women have made more strides in the public arena than in the private arena.”

Women have the power to decide what enters their vagina. If they wanted to be relationship material they’d be relationship material, and find relationships.

“There is no dating. There’s no relationships,” says Amanda, the tall elegant one. “They’re rare. You can have a fling that could last like seven, eight months and you could never actually call someone your ‘boyfriend.’ [Hooking up] is a lot easier. No one gets hurt—well, not on the surface.”

They give a wary laugh.

Can it be called self-deception, when you know you’re deceiving yourself?

They tell me how, at their school, an adjunct instructor in philosophy, Kerry Cronin, teaches a freshman class in which an optional assignment is going out on an actual date. “And meet them sober and not when you’re both, like, blackout drunk,” says Jane. “Like, get to know someone before you start something with them. And I know that’s scary.”

Autistic alienation.

“And it reaches a point,” says Jane, “where, if you receive a text message” from a guy, “you forward the message to, like, seven different people: ‘What do I say back? Oh my God, he just texted me!’ It becomes a surprise. ‘He texted me!’ Which is really sad.”

“It is sad,” Amanda says. “That one A.M. text becomes ‘Oh my God, he texted me!’ No, he texted you at one A.M.—it’s meaningless.”

They laugh ruefully.

How fulfilling. How starved for affection can they be?

“It’s not, she says, that women don’t want to have sex. “Who doesn’t want to have sex? But it feels bad when they’re like, ‘See ya.’ ”

“It seems like the girls don’t have any control over the situation, and it should not be like that at all,” Fallon says.

“It’s a contest to see who cares less, and guys win a lot at caring less,” Amanda says.

“It’s body first, personality second,” says Stephanie.

Why would a man care about the personality of his sex toy?

If you object to calling a girl a sex toy, why don’t you object to the girl treating herself like one?

“Sex should stem from emotional intimacy, and it’s the opposite with us right now, and I think it really is kind of destroying females’ self-images,” says Fallon.

That’s how society got in this mess in the first place.

“But if you say any of this out loud, it’s like you’re weak, you’re not independent, you somehow missed the whole memo about third-wave feminism,” says Amanda.

See here.

“I hooked up with three girls, thanks to the Internet, off of Tinder, in the course of four nights, and I spent a total of $80 on all three girls,” Nick relays proudly. He goes on to describe each date, one of which he says began with the young woman asking him on Tinder to “ ‘come over and smoke [weed] and watch a movie.’ I know what that means,” he says, grinning.

$80. Hookers make more and probably receive more affection.

They all say they don’t want to be in relationships. “I don’t want one,” says Nick. “I don’t want to have to deal with all that—stuff.”

“You can’t be selfish in a relationship,” Brian says. “It feels good just to do what I want.”

I ask them if it ever feels like they lack a deeper connection with someone.

There’s a small silence. After a moment, John says, “I think at some points it does.”

“But that’s assuming that that’s something that I want, which I don’t,” Nick says, a trifle annoyed. “Does that mean that my life is lacking something? I’m perfectly happy. I have a good time. I go to work—I’m busy. And when I’m not, I go out with my friends.”

Alienation.

He’s a womanizer, an especially callous one, as well as kind of a loser. The word has been around for at least a decade with different meanings; it’s only in about the last year that it has become so frequently used by women and girls to refer to their hookups.

“What percentage of boys now do you think are fuckboys?,” I asked some young women from New Albany, Indiana.

“One hundred percent,” said Meredith, 20, a sophomore at Bellarmine University in Louisville.

“No, like 90 percent,” said Ashley (the same as mentioned earlier). “I’m hoping to find the 10 percent somewhere. But every boy I’ve ever met is a fuckboy.”

How blind can they be?

‘He drove me home in the morning.’ That’s a big deal,” said Rebecca, 21, a senior at the University of Delaware.

Heh.

Bring all of this up to young men, however, and they scoff. Women are just as responsible for “the shit show that dating has become,” according to one. “Romance is completely dead, and it’s the girls’ fault,” says Alex, 25, a New Yorker who works in the film industry. “They act like all they want is to have sex with you and then they yell at you for not wanting to have a relationship. How are you gonna feel romantic about a girl like that? Oh, and by the way? I met you on Tinder.”

Someone brings the truth.

Rebecca, the blonde with the canny eyes, also mentioned above, hooked up with someone, too. “It was O.K.” She shrugs. “Right after it was done, it was kind of like, mmmp … mmmp.” She gives a little grunt of disappointment.

Sounds fun.

“I’m on it nonstop, like nonstop, like 20 hours a day,” says Courtney, the one who looks like a 70s movie star.

“It’s, like, fun to get the messages,” Danielle says. “If someone ‘likes’ you, they think you’re attractive.”

“It’s a confidence booster,” says Jessica, 21, the one who looks like a Swedish tennis player.

Self-esteem addiction.

“A lot of guys are lacking in that department,” says Courtney with a sigh. “What’s a real orgasm like? I wouldn’t know.”

They all laugh knowingly.

“I know how to give one to myself,” says Courtney.

“Yeah, but men don’t know what to do,” says Jessica, texting.

“Without [a vibrator] I can’t have one,” Courtney says. “It’s never happened” with a guy. “It’s a huge problem.”

“It is a problem,” Jessica concurs.

Sound like they’re enjoying it, no?

“I think men have a skewed view of the reality of sex through porn,” Jessica says, looking up from her phone. “Because sometimes I think porn sex is not always great—like pounding someone.” She makes a pounding motion with her hand, looking indignant.

“Yeah, it looks like it hurts,” Danielle says.

“Like porn sex,” says Jessica, “those women—that’s not, like, enjoyable, like having their hair pulled or being choked or slammed. I mean, whatever you’re into, but men just think”—bro voice—“ ‘I’m gonna fuck her,’ and sometimes that’s not great.”

“Yeah,” Danielle agrees. “Like last night I was having sex with this guy, and I’m a very submissive person—like, not aggressive at all—and this boy that came over last night, he was hurting me.”

They were quiet a moment.

And yet they all go along with it enthusiastically.

This article by itself is justification for patriarchy. These young women are addicted to attention. They are not enjoying themselves, they are neither respected nor loved, they are starved for affection, and they are willingly making themselves sex toys for men who don’t care in the least about them and enjoy hurting them. It is destroying their emotional core, but they can’t quit their addiction.

They need a stern father to drag them back home and force them to respect themselves.

The men are aimless and alienated. They need responsibility. Instead, they get untold free poon. Why do they need to care, when they can drown themselves in hedonism? They need the women’s fathers to to be cut off from empty masturbation with their breathing sex toys and be forced to contribute and care before hedonism can take them, so they can grow into men.

This is not healthy.

[Lizard King]

There was an article today in the Sunday Times(UK) about how terrible tinder is and how terribly the male users treat the women(just hooking up with sloots). I think it is not a coincidence that these articles are appearing around the same time and saying similar things. This might sound crazy but I think it is covert marketing to generate interest. We all know what tinder is good for, and many here say it(tinder) is past its peak. What better way to gain more users(the metric for valuing online commodities).

[Foolsgo1d]

Its pretty funny when women go on about not getting orgasms. If I was in NYC I wouldn't be putting in too much effort to get her off. I do my thing and if it doesn't work for her than so what? Always another girl around the corner.

This realisation has yet to hit women full-on. How many men would be more than happy to be fucking 2 different women a week? How many of these men will give a flying fuck about their lays getting an orgasm after 6 months? I stopped caring around the 10th lay I had in my life years ago.

[MKDAWUSS]

(08-16-2015 04:10 PM)Lizard King Wrote:  

There was an article today in the Sunday Times(UK) about how terrible tinder is and how terribly the male users treat the women(just hooking up with sloots). I think it is not a coincidence that these articles are appearing around the same time and saying similar things. This might sound crazy but I think it is covert marketing to generate interest. We all know what tinder is good for, and many here say it(tinder) is past its peak. What better way to gain more users(the metric for valuing online commodities).

IDK, I think RVF has done more to spark my interest in online dating sites such as Tinder than the online editions of newspapers. Not so much to find dates or sex, but just to check people out and further observe the society that I live in.

[CRR]

Quote:

Women have the power to decide what enters their vagina. If they wanted to be relationship material they’d be relationship material, and find relationships.

Quote of the year.

It's similar to how these women want to dictate to men what men find attractive. They want to behave one way but demand to be treated however they want.

Feminism likes to teach women that their behavior is justified no matter what. But in the end they reap what they sow.

They can complain that men get away with supposed bad behavior and still find plenty of women, but again nobody is forcing these women to find such men attractive. Likewise, these women act like whores they are going to be treated as such, since men who are looking for wife material aren't going to try to turn a whore into a housewife. This can anger the whores, but they don't get to dictate to men what they are looking for in a mate. Instead, they should try to become the type of woman a desirable man is looking for in a wife. Or else enjoy your cats.

[StrikeBack]

They're describing the situation as if 90% or even 100% of men are Alpha Fux (fuckboys) and the women are helpless... here comes the Big Gov White Knight to pass more Beta Bux laws.

[Kingsley Davis]

[Lizard King]

(08-16-2015 08:32 PM)MKDAWUSS Wrote:  

(08-16-2015 04:10 PM)Lizard King Wrote:  

There was an article today in the Sunday Times(UK) about how terrible tinder is and how terribly the male users treat the women(just hooking up with sloots). I think it is not a coincidence that these articles are appearing around the same time and saying similar things. This might sound crazy but I think it is covert marketing to generate interest. We all know what tinder is good for, and many here say it(tinder) is past its peak. What better way to gain more users(the metric for valuing online commodities).

IDK, I think RVF has done more to spark my interest in online dating sites such as Tinder than the online editions of newspapers. Not so much to find dates or sex, but just to check people out and further observe the society that I live in.

That is true, but you are not the target of this type of typing.

You already see through facade, that's why you're here posting and engaging in discussions. Articles like this are for "blue pill" people, so they can be reminded how harmful men are to society and how the strong-vulnerable women are still being victimised.

[CynicalContrarian]

For those gals tired of being hounded by 100's of boring beta's.
They now have - Once.

“With Once, we’re taking that responsibility on ourselves, and are hand-picking great people for London’s time-starved daters.
With the right matches lined up you’ll have time to continue with your day as normal and know that you’ll have a hand-picked date
delivered to your inbox every 24 hours.”

http://www.news.com.au/technology/online...fa6d7fdf96

Hipster git should realize no chick is going to appreciate him having larger ear ornaments than she does...

[Renzy]

(08-10-2015 06:15 PM)ryanf Wrote:  

Quote:

“For young women the problem in navigating sexuality and relationships is still gender inequality,” says Elizabeth Armstrong, a professor of sociology at the University of Michigan who specializes in sexuality and gender. “Young women complain that young men still have the power to decide when something is going to be serious and when something is not—they can go, ‘She’s girlfriend material, she’s hookup material.’ … There is still a pervasive double standard. We need to puzzle out why women have made more strides in the public arena than in the private arena.”

I don't want a relationship. No means no bitch.

I'm guessing the author has never considered what her quote sounds like in reverse:

Quote:

For young men the problem in navigating sexuality and relationships is still gender inequality,” says Elizabeth Strongarm, a professor of sociology at the University of Michigan who specializes in sexuality and gender. “Young men complain that young women still have the power to decide when something is going to be sexual and when something is not—they can go, ‘He’s friendzone material, he’s hookup material.’ … There is still a pervasive double standard. We need to puzzle out why men have made more strides in the public arena than in the private arena."

[saoconrado40]

I love it how feminists are shocked at all of this...

Honestly, how can a guy respect a skank that is on Tinder all day trawling for cock?

Want to be treated like a lady? Act like one. Act like a whore, you will be treated accordingly by men

Tinderellas are not and never will be "girlfriend material"... they are just skanks for easy sex, nothing more, nothing less

[Nonpareil]

(11-12-2015 05:43 PM)saoconrado40 Wrote:  

I love it how feminists are shocked at all of this...

Honestly, how can a guy respect a skank that is on Tinder all day trawling for cock?

Want to be treated like a lady? Act like one. Act like a whore, you will be treated accordingly by men

Tinderellas are not and never will be "girlfriend material"... they are just skanks for easy sex, nothing more, nothing less

One of the most frustrating things about women. I was talking to one the other day (I don't live in North America) - a massive slut with an unattractive face but a nice body.

Quote:

Her: 'I'm tired of meeting guys who just want a fling!'
Me: 'If you're tired of guys using you just for sex, stop having sex with guys who just want to use you for sex!'
Her: 'But it always feels different and I never know! Guys shouldn't get to just call girls sluts!'
Me: 'So you want to be able to do whatever you want...and no one is allowed to criticize you for it? That's healthy.'

She didn't grasp my logic and thought I was 'shaming' her - as a Feminist, to her the idea that any woman anywhere (read: but not in poor countries) can't do whatever the hell she wants to whenever the hell she wants to is 'wrong' and 'oppressive'. At no point in time did I or have I tried to bang her (she did like me a while back though). You want men to stop treating you like a sequence of holes to put their cock into? Maybe don't do things like take him home on the first night or blow him in the toilets two hours after you and him met.

Men are and always have been the faster-evolving sex.

And that's the crux of this article - Men who don't 'man up' and take women seriously as potential relationship partners - when the women themselves are putting themselves out there to be sportfucked by 30+ guys a year on an app designed to locate quick and easy sex - are 'fuckboys' (ugh...what a dumbshit term) who 'need to man up and treat women with more respect!'. Women, who of their own accord make these decisions are always the innocent victims. Why haven't women made gains in 'the private sphere' like they have in the public sphere? Because the private sphere can't be subjected to constant regulation and affirmative action and 'fairness quotas'.

==

A few friends of mine in Toronto swear by Tinder. Can anyone attest? Knowing the average appearance, demeanor, personality and standards of the typical Toronto girl...can it really be that good?

[Aurini]

It's hilarious/sad/terrifying that women are complaining about having casual sex, while using an app that was inspired by Grindr - a gay app for anonymous sex.

51% of the electorate, gentlemen.