[Cadders]

Women's awareness of incels is limited because women's awareness *in general* is limited.

Go to any mall. Stop and take a look around. The majority of shoppers will be women. Watch how they move around. You won't have to wait long until you see your first near miss - a woman almost walking into a display or another woman. Sometimes actual collisions. Caught up in their own solipsistic bubble, distracted by baubles and trinkets, the wider world holds little interest for them. About the same amount of interest as the plight of incels.

But this isn't personal. It's simply the way they are wired. My 2p; Don't resent them for not seeing the world as men see it - you are holding them to standards they will never meet. If anything they are to be pitied rather than resented.

Instead work on yourself as a man and invite them into the world you build for yourself, on your terms. The same dynamic will apply; caught up in your bubble, distracted by masculinity (and cock), the wider world holds little interest for them. Women are wired this way for a reason. Understand it and use it how nature intended.

[civpro]

Of course they don't care.

I mean, they do care about the monetary impoverishment of all people, even that of incel men (i.e. giving money to the homeless), but as for the inceldom itself - deprivation of the precious, non-zero sum resource that is their pussies - they don't care in the slightest.

And why would they? It's in their evolutionary programming not to. This is how the human species proceeds and vies for survival. It's a jungle out there.

[Dalaran1991]

(07-28-2015 03:32 PM)Cadders Wrote:  

Women's awareness of incels is limited because women's awareness *in general* is limited.


But this isn't personal. It's simply the way they are wired. My 2p; Don't resent them for not seeing the world as men see it - you are holding them to standards they will never meet. If anything they are to be pitied rather than resented.

Never resent nor pity them since post-redpill, but I find it annoying and rather amusing that, given their lack of awareness and non-existent understanding of the macro, they still try to tell men how to do things. Worst part? Most guys actually let women tell them how to do things. I resent, pity and loath these guys.

On the macro level see how women's ignorance of men's plight lead to feminism and other retarded stuff, and how men let them have their ways.

If women were cognisant of the status quo or of the dating game at all, they would go out and stomp feminism dead on its track because everyone with half a neuron knows that its destructive and not sustainable.

Instead, go on the new hall of fame thread about this ignorant bitch who wanted to expose an ex member and marvel at the shallow depths of the feminine intellect, whose only external observation was that other sluts the guy was banging were horrible looking (compared to her own over-inflated sense of self)

http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-49415-...pid1076497 (most epic thread since Little Dark)

That bitch, though recognize that other nice supporter guys want to date her, focuses her ENTIRE universe on the man who pumps and dumps her while those orbiters get about a sentence worth of mention in her 14 pages thread. Shows you how much bitches give a flying fuck about the betas, even if all the betas die in a sewer.

This is also a good thing. Their inability to analyze the macro mean that they will never be aware of the existence of "game" either, nor will they be able to adapt to players evolving.

Game on, players, and let the betas burn in hell. I personally give zero fuck about the beta's fate myself.

EDIT : I was re-reading the thread I just posted and toward the end something hit me about the connection between these two threads.

This whole being solipsistic and unable to see the forest for the trees thing is actually not that gender-specific.

We have guys on here fucking white knighting that girl (after seeing her pics), knowing that she is a fucking lunatic who threatens to out her last man,

And, girls only care about the alpha while the beta rots.

These two are all the same to me. In the end some people are just blinded by their own needs, men or women.

[freeuser]

(07-30-2015 10:14 AM)Dalaran1991 Wrote:  

Instead, go on the new hall of fame thread about this ignorant bitch who wanted to expose an ex member and marvel at the shallow depths of the feminine intellect, whose only external observation was that other sluts the guy was banging were horrible looking (compared to her own over-inflated sense of self)

What thread is that exactly?

[CH-Toronto]

(07-30-2015 10:53 AM)freeuser Wrote:  

What thread is that exactly?

http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-49415.html

[Jean Valjean]

(07-26-2015 04:22 PM)Days of Broken Arrows Wrote:  

It's a great question. I don't have a definitive answer. I definitely don't hear women talk about this in offices and didn't hear it in school. It would make a great satire to have the hot cheerleader sit around and worry that the science nerd was getting frustrated and how could she help...because it's so far removed from reality.

The only media I have ever seen by women that focuses on the needs and desires of incel men is a blog run by a prostitute, The Honest Courtesan. And (hate to say it) that's probably only because men's needs and desires are what make her money.

Girls do sometimes talk to their friends about creepy/unwanted guys and seek advice on how to tactfully get rid of them (e.g. in a workplace situation). They will also mock these guys' cluelessness and social ineptitude. And sometimes they will discuss with their friends how to use these guys' unrequited desires for personal gain. Girls will also sometimes remark that they can tell that a guy is a virgin (although they're usually wrong about it).

[pirate]

Back on topic, recovering incel here to share my experience.

Whenever I have confided in a close female friend (I dont have any of these anymore), the response would fit neatly in one of the following boxes:

1) Disbelief/disinterest: This is the average response- it is as if most women simply cannot comprehend that there are people out there looking for sex but cant get it, thus it is a topic that does not merit discussion.

2) Cruelty: "Awwww you kept it for someone you'll love someday, I'm happy for you!" You cruel, horrible person. You simply cannot comprehend what it is like to have a raging sex drive and being unable to get relief. It is as if these women are happy at the fact that I exist, i.e a relatively high earning man that will simply jump at the first woman that makes herself available to him.

3) Shame/Actively insulting: When I dont tow the line, help women, pay shit for them or agree with their views, quite a few of them will resort to "You'll never get laid if you treat women like this"

I'm no basement dweller. I'm 6'1, work as a highly qualified professional, I am well read, I run and go to the gym. I've even crossed the fucking east coast of North America on foot. I just have zero (0) game and have turned into a fucking asshole.

Again, men's problems simply do not exist to anyone except themselves.

A woman's fifteenth boyfriend wont text her in a timely fashion or cheats on her and she will receive all manner of consolation and alternative offers from friends/orbiters.

A man will go celibate against his will for a decade (or life) and no-one bats a fucking eyelid, or, if they are cruel, laughs at him.

[captndonk]

You should look at this subject from a different perspective. Hypergamy was and is very important for the development of mankind.

[Dr. Howard]

(02-06-2017 06:47 AM)pirate Wrote:  

Back on topic, recovering incel here to share my experience.

Whenever I have confided in a close female friend (I dont have any of these anymore), the response would fit neatly in one of the following boxes:

1) Disbelief/disinterest: This is the average response- it is as if most women simply cannot comprehend that there are people out there looking for sex but cant get it, thus it is a topic that does not merit discussion.

2) Cruelty: "Awwww you kept it for someone you'll love someday, I'm happy for you!" You cruel, horrible person. You simply cannot comprehend what it is like to have a raging sex drive and being unable to get relief. It is as if these women are happy at the fact that I exist, i.e a relatively high earning man that will simply jump at the first woman that makes herself available to him.

3) Shame/Actively insulting: When I dont tow the line, help women, pay shit for them or agree with their views, quite a few of them will resort to "You'll never get laid if you treat women like this"

I'm no basement dweller. I'm 6'1, work as a highly qualified professional, I am well read, I run and go to the gym. I've even crossed the fucking east coast of North America on foot. I just have zero (0) game and have turned into a fucking asshole.

Again, men's problems simply do not exist to anyone except themselves.

A woman's fifteenth boyfriend wont text her in a timely fashion or cheats on her and she will receive all manner of consolation and alternative offers from friends/orbiters.

A man will go celibate against his will for a decade (or life) and no-one bats a fucking eyelid, or, if they are cruel, laughs at him.

Seek out the posts of Card Guy, banned forum member, you'll find someone in a similar situation that does not feel angry at the world.

[Samseau]

(02-06-2017 06:55 AM)captndonk Wrote:  

You should look at this subject from a different perspective. Hypergamy was and is very important for the development of mankind.

So why are the most developed human civilizations are the ones where women have held the least power?

[Khan]

Speaking strictly from an evolutionary perspective, hypergamy is important for the development of any species. Female preference to mate with alpha males ensures that only top quality genes will be passed on, which increases survival odds of the entire species in harsh conditions. Such conditions did exist during the vast majority of the last several million years of human existence.

On the other hand, hypergamy is detrimental to the development of civilization, which is based on patriarchy and marriage, and built exclusively by men. This is why the rotting and decay of modern Western civilization goes hand-in-hand with female emancipation and hypergamy unleashed. Average men can't compete with alphas to reproduce, so an increasing number of them go MGTOW in some way, whether deliberately or not.

[captndonk]

(02-06-2017 12:45 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

(02-06-2017 06:55 AM)captndonk Wrote:  

You should look at this subject from a different perspective. Hypergamy was and is very important for the development of mankind.

So why are the most developed human civilizations are the ones where women have held the least power?

Suppose there are two groups of women. Group A will have sex with almost any man. Group B will choose very carefully.

The offspring of which group will have a better chance to reproduce?

[Samseau]

(02-06-2017 07:46 PM)captndonk Wrote:  

(02-06-2017 12:45 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

(02-06-2017 06:55 AM)captndonk Wrote:  

You should look at this subject from a different perspective. Hypergamy was and is very important for the development of mankind.

So why are the most developed human civilizations are the ones where women have held the least power?

Suppose there are two groups of women. Group A will have sex with almost any man. Group B will choose very carefully.

The offspring of which group will have a better chance to reproduce?

Group C, where the men hold 80% of the power.

[XPQ22]

(07-28-2015 03:32 PM)Cadders Wrote:  

Go to any mall. Stop and take a look around. The majority of shoppers will be women. Watch how they move around. You won't have to wait long until you see your first near miss - a woman almost walking into a display or another woman. Sometimes actual collisions. Caught up in their own solipsistic bubble, distracted by baubles and trinkets, the wider world holds little interest for them. About the same amount of interest as the plight of incels.

Also they drive cars.

It's not that women cant be good drivers - I just think it ends up low on the "priority list"

[Meat Head]

I dont really believe there are that many incels. Elliot Rodger is not the norm. Most men I know are married or have girlfriends.

[RexImperator]

I would agree with that. Most men just give women what they want.

Women aren't aware and they don't care.

[Green-On-GO]

(02-08-2017 04:09 AM)Meat Head Wrote:  

I dont really believe there are that many incels. Elliot Rodger is not the norm. Most men I know are married or have girlfriends.

I disagree I think it's the norm...not Elliott Rodgers..10 to 20% of men get all the chicks.Women don't want 80% of men.Women compare themselves to the top 10 or 20 % of men in everything the bottom 80% of men are invisible

I know married dudes young and old that get no sex.
Luckily for dudes here whoring is legal.I know from the dudes flyinging into Asia none get play at home.I saw it in the Army, in construction in other jobs I've done.

Learning Game comes from getting no pussy and or getting fucked over by a chick.
I seen it in Europe US and Australia.Chicks will gravitate to only a handful.of guys chicks will leave a club if it's full of guys.
I've had chicks break down every guy in a club telling me what they think of these dudes...fucken brutal is a soft way of putting it.And it's not wholly about looks.If you need it ,they know and you won't get shit.
Shits only worse now with technology or better if you are the top 20% of online males.

[Feldeinsamkeit]

(02-08-2017 08:44 AM)Green-On-GO Wrote:  

(02-08-2017 04:09 AM)Meat Head Wrote:  

I dont really believe there are that many incels. Elliot Rodger is not the norm. Most men I know are married or have girlfriends.

I disagree I think it's the norm...not Elliott Rodgers..10 to 20% of men get all the chicks.Women don't want 80% of men.Women compare themselves to the top 10 or 20 % of men in everything the bottom 80% of men are invisible

I know married dudes young and old that get no sex.
Luckily for dudes here whoring is legal.I know from the dudes flyinging into Asia none get play at home.I saw it in the Army, in construction in other jobs I've done.

Learning Game comes from getting no pussy and or getting fucked over by a chick.
I seen it in Europe US and Australia.Chicks will gravitate to only a handful.of guys chicks will leave a club if it's full of guys.
I've had chicks break down every guy in a club telling me what they think of these dudes...fucken brutal is a soft way of putting it.And it's not wholly about looks.If you need it ,they know and you won't get shit.
Shits only worse now with technology or better if you are the top 20% of online males.

Even here in Germany, where the levels of thirst have not yet reached the high water mark of North America, the UK and Australia, I've noticed how all my social circles - with the exception of the church where the women are more in love with Jesus than any mere mortal - are characterized by a male/female sex ratio of at least two to one. Furthermore, a few guys - some of them quite good-looking and who work out regularly and have their shit together career-wise - have confided in me that they mainly joined the, e.g., language class to meet women and that they've been struggling to get any play for some time. Even a meditation class I used to go to had 3 three times as many guys as women, which would surely not have been the case 10-15 years ago, in either the UK or Germany. Interestingly, a significant number of guys that I've got to know have recently found girlfriends from Russia, Poland and one guy even recently bagged himself a Venezualen girlfriend, which would be consistent with the above interpretation.

Now, this doesn't in and of itself prove that most guys aren't getting any play, but it does provide strong anecdotal evidence that at least a large percentage of them aren't. Since this is a consistent picture that I keep coming across everywhere I go here, I find it hard not to draw the conclusion that, at the very least, a significant percentage of guys are going home of an evening to nothing more than the company of their right hand and a porno clip from the Internet.

A big problem in answering this question, though, is that very, very few guys are going to readily admit to being incel, such is the social stigma that this would incur, from both men but perhaps even more from women. (And, to be clear and for the sake of definition, let's just say the concept of incel defines a guy who's been trying to get laid but hasn't managed to for the past 12 months.) I defy anybody on this forum to tell me with a straight face that there isn't a very significant percentage of guys in North America who don't fit this definition.

Furthermore, Green-on-GO's analysis is overly optimistic, in my experience. Rather than women aiming at the top 20% of guys, I would say that they aim towards the top 5% of men these days in Western nations. This is why Game, rather than being an optimization tool for improving the quantity and quality of women one can attract, has become a pre-requisite for guys that are not in the top 5% to stand a chance of getting anything at all.

For those that make the cut, it's never been such a feast. For the rest, it's a famine.

[Meat Head]

Maybe like Elliot Rodger those 'incels' are gunning for 8s and 9s. Like a friend of mine who fucks anything with a pulse says, 'know your level'.

Show me a man who cant get laid and I will show you a stubborn man who wont lower his standards. That said I last had sex in 2015.

[Feldeinsamkeit]

(02-09-2017 03:34 AM)Meat Head Wrote:  

Maybe like Elliot Rodger those 'incels' are gunning for 8s and 9s. Like a friend of mine who fucks anything with a pulse says, 'know your level'.

Show me a man who cant get laid and I will show you a stubborn man who wont lower his standards. That said I last had sex in 2015.

What you say surely accounts for some of the guys who say they can't get laid. Hell, it even applies to me partly here in Germany, since I've known a couple of women who always give me insane eye contact and also approach me whenever the see me at certain social events, but they're 4/10s and, as sex-starved as I am, it would end up being counter-productive to my inner game to pursue them, given that my self-confidence is already beginning to seriously crumble at times when it comes to women. I also seriously doubt whether I'd even be able to get an erection with women below 5/10.

But I think you're wrong in extrapolating from this that any guy who can't get laid simply has too high standards. What you say applies to nearly all women, true, but I know plenty of men, some of them being fairly decent-looking, who joke that they can't even pull the women they don't want, let alone the ones they do.

[Meat Head]

If you are a white man I assumed banging black girls, Indians and asians is like shooting fish in a barrel. Here in South Africa a white man who is poor and ugly can get a boat load of black/Indian/biracial and Asian girls. I dont know about Europe though.

[scrambled]

(02-08-2017 09:43 AM)Feldeinsamkeit Wrote:  

This is why Game, rather than being an optimization tool for improving the quantity and quality of women one can attract, has become a pre-requisite for guys that are not in the top 5% to stand a chance of getting anything at all.

For those that make the cut, it's never been such a feast. For the rest, it's a famine.

Would you say that Game, in its essence, is the expression of domination? The 95% of men who are 'bottoms' have to individually prove their domination, against a presumption in the west of being creepy losers or nobodies? The recent Roosh Argentine video makes me think that is really the totality of game.

[Feldeinsamkeit]

(02-09-2017 07:59 AM)scrambled Wrote:  

(02-08-2017 09:43 AM)Feldeinsamkeit Wrote:  

This is why Game, rather than being an optimization tool for improving the quantity and quality of women one can attract, has become a pre-requisite for guys that are not in the top 5% to stand a chance of getting anything at all.

For those that make the cut, it's never been such a feast. For the rest, it's a famine.

Would you say that Game, in its essence, is the expression of domination? The 95% of men who are 'bottoms' have to individually prove their domination, against a presumption in the west of being creepy losers or nobodies? The recent Roosh Argentine video makes me think that is really the totality of game.

I'm not sure that I'd say that Game is the expression of domination, as you put it; rather, that it at first seeks to replicate those traits which are consistent with a dominant male frame. For me Game is akin to a set of bike stabilizers: a child needs them to learn how to ride without falling off the bike, but once the knack of riding the bike becomes internalized, the stabilizers are not needed any more and may be discarded. So, yes, Game may be the expression of domination, but only once its principles have been fully internalized and one's masculine frame is genuinely congruent with one's beliefs.

As for the 5% of top shelf guys who get a free pass to the pussy with the rest having to prove themselves through Game, I think this is on the money, at least with guys living in the Western hemisphere.

[Green-On-GO]

(02-09-2017 03:34 AM)Meat Head Wrote:  

Maybe like Elliot Rodger those 'incels' are gunning for 8s and 9s. Like a friend of mine who fucks anything with a pulse says, 'know your level'.

Show me a man who cant get laid and I will show you a stubborn man who wont lower his standards. That said I last had sex in 2015.

Yes I have friends who say that .What I notice is they are no good with high 7s, 8 and above.Any hole is a goal type dudes go to shit around high value females they default back to a 6 who worship them.8 and 9s equal failure to them.I ask their mates WTF and their mates tell me they never see these dudes with a good looking chick....ever.Yet these guys brag on and on about the pussy they are slaying.Same dudes stab you in the back if you have a real babe.

They will drag me out of a venue if the girls are hot because they run on validation and being worshipped.They get approached by 2 or 3 points below.
I've winged with guys like that who lose their shit if I open say a tall hotter chick.They go big on the negging 5s and 6s.

I took it as my failure at the start till I learnt more about game.It hit me that I always dated and I married a woman better looking than me.These guys never ever did.They however can be pornstars as the crack of dawn would make their dick hard.
I have a friend who never goes thru a dry patch cause he can fuck a massive fat chick or a -2 without issue.

Put him in a venue with above 8s and he will be miserable whereas I'm horny and energized.Put me in a venue with 5-6-7 ,I want to kill myself and he is happy as a pig in shit.Imagine going out with a wing who complains all the good looking bitches are stuck up or too young or too hard.No wonder I roll solo.

I learnt not to tell these dudes what should make their dick hard and to respect the fact not to try and force on me what does not make my dick hard.Joy of sex types never understand that.

[LastKing]

> female

> awareness


Don't make me laugh.