Smells a bit trollish, but
The veteran in me sees the main problems
If you want an active sex life, you need a lot of chicks in your pipeline.
This particular pipeline has a lot of problems.
1) How do you get the volume?
- online - these are strangers and unless your in person game is good, you're going to waste time. (but it's not a true waste, as you develop your in person skills)
- day game/social circle - a little better for overall conversion. But both of those pools are limited. Day game just doesn't have the volume and concentration of girls that night game has. Social circle of the typical guy is small, and if you're asking this question, probably smaller than that.
if you can manage 2-3 dates a week like this (very doable in a big city, and you work downtown), this can work - but the problem is usually that even though the girls like your profile - you haven't really passed the smell test.
Night game, you get real time feedback on your sexual chances. Blind dating requires a rapid amount of getting comfortable before attraction can even take place.
2) She agrees to coffee
- the caffeine will make her sharp, which means your verbal skills better be up to par
- you can turn it into a walking date as suggested above, but it doesn't sound like you're clearing your schedule to make the afternoon date bleed into an evening date and then into night time
- you have to build up enough attraction that she wants to see you again, but not so much that when she comes down, she "snaps" out of it.
A lot of game is about stacking the deck to make a chick do something impulsive, make her act on her urges and hormones. For some guys, it's not so much about how attractive and cool they are, but they spotted a DTF girl, or they put a chick in a DTF mood.
They've become the dating equivalent of after hours pizza. Clubs let out, nom noms hit, and you'll eat anything.
Just because you're hungry, doesn't mean you really love the food. That's the case with a lot of night game one night stands, particularly with young hotties. (in the West that is)
This scenario is different.
If you've got a chick during the day and you have to heat her up, and then put her in a thermos for a couple more days - she has to feel something for you.
Not saying she has to fall in love, but she has to be so intrigued that she can't wait to see you again.
To make this thing work like this
- you need stellar game
- great personality
Are they one in the same? I dunno. I'm sure that I could convert a fair amount of coffee dates, but that's cause I believe my own bullshit (and track record). As soon as I talk to a girl, I'll start catching her conscious and unconscious cues - and i'll focus on those.
Do you have that kind of game? Do you notice a chick's micro-reactions and body language when you talk to her, when you touch her?
For an intermediate player, chances are good.
For a newb player, he has to develop those through trial and error.
How you hook a chick at a coffee shop and get her dying to see you is not something that I think has been committed to paper yet.
3) Let's say the player does put the chick on the hook
She invested a bit.
He got compliance.
They exchanged pleasantries.
He managed to get a smooch out of it (the lingering hug at the end of the coffee date in the parking lot, where he kisses her - as if it were the end of a night)
She's on cloud nine, so is he.
But now he has to fight with her schedule.
If she's REALLY into him, she'll clear her schedule.
If she's just into him, he'd better double book that night, at a spot where he can easily pull another chick.
4) the dinner date has to change pace and end up in sex - and a lot of chicks will say "mixed signals" - which is bullshit - but the logic of it is very seductive to would be players.
For a veteran, and if you have a little bit of coin - this is actually fine. I'm in no rush to fuck any particular bitch nowadays cause my needs are met, and I like being able to dismiss a chick for being lame. Broad can think whatever she wants, when I sit down at the table, I already have plenty of options. I'm never pressed.
A newb typically doesn't have the stable or the skillset. So all this hemming and hawing over the pussy, makes him more desperate, less cool under fire - which makes him overall less attractive.
You really got to be ready to walk with these chicks. Not as some gambit to make her want you, but because these chicks can truly waste your time.
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So
- he needs to have a lot of chicks in the pipeline
- he needs to really shine during the date
- he needs to get her back out on the date
OP picked a good target market, as those chicks
- love coffee dates/brunch dates - no pressure to fuck,
- but there also going to scrutinize the shit out of you.
I would have no problem with this, cause all things considered I'm a good "catch". If a chick is looking for a husband and a guy who wants kids, educated, professional, gainfully employed, funny, yadda yadda yadda - I'm that guy.
But as players we know that we don't want to be Mr. Right, we want to be Mr. Right Now. I'll turn in the jersey for the right chick, but the right chick doesn't exist.
And that's the hidden danger of this low key approach.
She can genuinely like a guy like this, and want something more than just sex.
That's the danger of all game, but you're cranking up this risk with such a woman-friendly approach.
WIA
Quote: (07-25-2015 01:23 PM)h5757 Wrote:
All the pickup material that I’ve read only mentions having dates in the evening or at night. My schedule makes it extremely hard to have evening dates and dates on the weekdays, so I was thinking of doing an afternoon date on the weekend. Also, I have no experience going on actual dates because I’ve only hooked up with women in the past (during college). I’m in my late 20s and looking to date women in their late 20s to late 30s, if that matters.
How plausible is an early or late afternoon coffee date on the weekend for a first date (starting anywhere from around 2-5pm)? What are the pros and cons? What are obstacles that I’ll face?
I’m guessing it’s less effective than an evening date, but could it still allow me to escalate and eventually lead to sex (a few dates down the road)? I was thinking of doing a coffee date after lunchtime on Saturday or Sunday (around 2-5pm). After that, I’d set up a dinner date for the next week.
Also, do you think a woman would be willing to kiss me in the parking lot during the daytime after I walk her back to her car? Would it be a bad idea? Where could we kiss? Or should we just hug at the end of the date since it’s during the daytime?
I’m pretty sure having an afternoon coffee date for a first date isn’t the most effective idea, but I’m wondering if it’s doable and can lead to a kiss or at least future dates where I can kiss her in the evening after dinner.
How should I approach this? How can I make this work?