[Ski pro]

(07-08-2015 03:16 PM)GlobalMan Wrote:  

Its a very very common thing. Most people do not want to see/hear someone who is taking steps to improve their lives or taking risks, because it makes people have to look at themselves and their choices and feel bad about what they are not doing with their lives. They mock it because it threatens them.

They don't want to be left behind, they want you to stay down at their level so they can continue living comfortable, mediocre lives. Its the same reasons people mock "game" and guys trying to improve their sex lives. You can't do anything to win over those people, you can just continue on your path.

^^couldnt have said it better myself.

Ignore these other people. Continue on your journey. They want to drag you back down to where they are. They are not your problem.

Unfortunately, this kind of wisdom only comes with age. Props to you for asking. The question on here.

[Kdog]

Had this issue just the other day. Spoke to a friend from back home and congratulated him on his house purchase (25 year handcuff). Within 2 sentences it went into why I am in Asia and basically that I'm waisting my time. I said I few things about how he's jealous but it's ok and not everyone can do this lifestyle, Its not like I live an incredible playboy life but I knew this would piss him off. Next thing I know I'm being insulted and saying that I'm in Asia cause I can't get laid back home and I'm a loser. Funny thing is last time I saw this guy was at his father's funeral last year as I hugged him and said I was there for him. Funny how vicious people get.

[tomzestatlu]

I actually enjoy that feeling while running around people giving me strange looks. Because there I see the difference, between my and their lifes. They´ve chosen looser lifestyle, I am trying to do my best to no do not be like them.

[Fortis]

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[Brodiaga]

(07-08-2015 03:15 PM)thedarkknight Wrote:  

3) When I read books, I get called "gay" by some people like my younger bro who is 21

Fuck these people. I remember some idiots in high school mocked me for reading books and studying. Half of those idiots are probably dead from drugs/crime/alcohol/stupidity by now.

[Ruivinho]

I believe this is a UK thing. I grew up in a shitty town in England and have had to deal with lowlifes constantly giving me shit.
I actually know how these people think since i was an introvert for many years that hanged around lowlife self conscious males projecting false confidence.

They're completely stuck in the group-think narrative and they live their lives inside a bubble of comfort and seeking validation off peers. So as soon as anybody around them does anything slightly "different", They mock.. call them gay, loser.. whatever they can to put that person down.

Its sort of become this "banter" "lad" culture, and its pure cancer.

The jogging thing I can relate with too. I remember for years walking along a main road to high school everyday and lowlife builders or chavs would pull down there window as they passed and scream at me to make me jump or stupid shit like beeping their horn as they drove right next to me hitting 60mph in a 30 zone..

Even had chav females shout abuse at me from car windows if i was jogging or just walking along a main road. Usually it may be because i was well dressed and walking alone. These trashy whores would be begging to suck my cock at a party though. Its sort of like teasing but to the point that when I was very introverted I thought they hated me and i started to hate myself for being me. Retarded I know.



So glad looking back now that I was able to break out of that mould and have ambitions, dreams and found ways of improving my confidence to rise above small town gimps that never do anything with their life.

Good luck man, ignore them and take the steps necessary to take you where you want to go. Travel and make friends abroad.

[Khan]

(07-08-2015 03:05 PM)thedarkknight Wrote:  

From working out in the garden, to running in the park, to being keen at the hospital. I notice a lot of people mock passion, intensity,enthusiasm. I do not try to get attention from others. I do not force my standards on to others. I do not tell others what to do. I let others live their life, as long as they do not try to force their views on me: I have no problem.

It's the nature of people today. Crabs-in-a-bucket mentality. Whenever someone pursues self-improvement instead of what's socially accepted, he'll become a target of envy and jealousy from others. You can't avoid this.

(07-08-2015 03:05 PM)thedarkknight Wrote:  

How do you deal with the mocking? You know what you're doing is right but how can you ignore these type of people?

As others have said, hitting the gym is a good advice. If you look strong and intimidating, people will still be jealous but they won't dare mock you anymore. It maybe sounds harsh, but that's the law of the jungle we live in.

As for dealing with jealousy from others, accept it for what it is and you'll soon find out it'll stop being a burden for you. It'll become your motivation. I have a colleague from work who sometimes teases me (in a friendly way, nothing malicious) for eating right an working out. At first he was annoying, but soon I learned to welcome and enjoy his teasing. Why? He's in poor shape, a slave to his chubby wife, and more or less broke. He seems happy at first, but you can sense the sadness in his eyes. So whenever he teases me, he reinforces my belief that I'm on the right path.

(07-08-2015 03:05 PM)thedarkknight Wrote:  

The worst part is.....it's often young men in groups who seem to do this to me......

Hardly surprising. In today's society, more and more men than ever are effeminate betas. Being what they are, they adopt some feminine traits - the chief of them being jealousy. Unlike men, women don't compete by working hard and outperforming other women, they compete by bringing other women down.

(07-08-2015 03:05 PM)thedarkknight Wrote:  

History of Problem

The same thing happened throughout high school.I got bullied mercilessly for just being quiet and working hard. I did really well and have just finished Medical School. I am far from intelligent but I knew this from a young age. Instead of crying like a bitch, I realised I better get working. Nothing more than a "trier" but humble enough to accept this and move forward.

Ruivinho asserts this might be a UK thing, but I doubt it - your story resembles mine and we're a thousand miles apart.

Congrats on finishing medical school, that's a good career choice. It's one of the rare alpha professions out there.

(07-08-2015 03:05 PM)thedarkknight Wrote:  

Closing Remarks

All advice is welcome. This website seems brutally honest and masculine. My University course and soon to be place of work is highly feminized, PC, socialist and "soft". I would ask my dad but he's dead.

Sadly, there are not many professions in the world today that are free from the grasp of leftism and political correctness. Sorry to hear about your dad. I'm sure he'd be proud of you.

[Rawmeo]

When people see you go ahead of them, they will silently want you to fail. Think about it, and be honest: When you've seen a friend or an acquintaince rise into success, I'm sure you have surprised yourself secretly wishing for them to fail, because seeing them go higher bums you out and makes you jealous. We've all done it, me included.

One thing that I've learned in life is, feel good about other people's success just as much as you do about your own success.

As a real life example, two years ago, I was living in Thailand on an average salary, no financial problems but needed to be careful where I spend. I had a small motorcycle and was renting a house. Two years later, I decided to make a very good business deal, which increased my income by a lot. I bought a Porsche in Thailand. When the guys discovered it (also some RVF guys), they laughed at me for getting a white Porsche. Only 1 guy congratulated me. The other ones envied me, and let this out by laughing at the color.

The best advice I can give in regards to people trying to bring you down when you are improving yourself is actually simple: just ignore. Life is like a video game: if you're not constantly getting enemies, you're not going the right way.

[YossariansRight]

(07-08-2016 05:29 AM)Rawmeo Wrote:  

When people see you go ahead of them, they will silently want you to fail. Think about it, and be honest: When you've seen a friend or an acquintaince rise into success, I'm sure you have surprised yourself secretly wishing for them to fail, because seeing them go higher bums you out and makes you jealous. We've all done it, me included.

One thing that I've learned in life is, feel good about other people's success just as much as you do about your own success.

As a real life example, two years ago, I was living in Thailand on an average salary, no financial problems but needed to be careful where I spend. I had a small motorcycle and was renting a house. Two years later, I decided to make a very good business deal, which increased my income by a lot. I bought a Porsche in Thailand. When the guys discovered it (also some RVF guys), they laughed at me for getting a white Porsche. Only 1 guy congratulated me. The other ones envied me, and let this out by laughing at the color.

The best advice I can give in regards to people trying to bring you down when you are improving yourself is actually simple: just ignore. Life is like a video game: if you're not constantly getting enemies, you're not going the right way.

Amen.

Most people, here, there, everywhere are jealous bastards that will wish hate on you for having one more 'X' then they have. Family can be the worst for this; I learned that lesson young and fast.

I also learned another lesson from a great family member: I have an uncle who's a millionaire+. You'd never know it because he's humble and very quiet about it. Very little flash or pizzazz. He still cuts his own lawn and changes his own oil, as examples. That's the example I follow with any successes I have in life - keep a lid on it; share with only those you really trust.

[kongzi]

wow, these are some really excellent replies. I wish I heard these pieces of advice when I was younger and thought I was at fault when being targeted by criticism, haters and bullies

[Sombro]

Crab Bucket / Tall Poppy mentality seems more prevalent in the UK and Australia than the US. Or in nations that lean socialist, it seems.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crab_mentality

"Envy is an affront to ambition." -- Somebody on the internet

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[General Stalin]

OP, what do you look like? The real reason people are fucking with you is because you look fuck-withable. People like to trash on others who seem/look deficient. Small, weak, nerdy, socially outcast, etc. If you look the part of someone who would stereotypically be bullied, then it's likely going to happen.

Example, people will laugh at a fat person jogging, even though it's completely counter-intuitive to mock someone for doing something they clearly need to be doing to improve themselves. On the other hand, no one laughs or mocks a shirtless Hugh Jackman looking motherfucker jogging and glistening with sweat. Probably get a few honks and stares from females though.

When you see a scrawny dude wearing pants that are too short, button-up short sleeve, thick glasses, and a pocket protector reading a book, you think "nerd" "bookworm" "uncool" "loser"




When you see a strong, well-dressed, masculine looking man reading a book you think "deep thinker" "intriguing" "intelligent" "worldly"

[wi30]

OP, without sounding completely racist, other black people will continue to bring you down. It doesn't matter their station in life, 90% of blacks will hate on you. My black friends constantly complain about hate they receive from the black community. They get called Uncle Tom, Oreo, etc. Speaking proper English gets hate too. They get called white, a pussy, a sellout, and dozens of other names for being intelligent individuals.

I have friends of all races but no one gets held down by their community more than blacks. It's a zero sum game. The most successful black dudes I know broke off from their family/hometown.

The only person who should dictate your life is yourself. If reading is gay, consider me Milo.

[Guitarman]

" I am far from intelligent but I knew this from a young age."

What is your IQ????

[kongzi]

(07-10-2016 05:46 PM)General Stalin Wrote:  

OP, what do you look like? The real reason people are fucking with you is because you look fuck-withable. People like to trash on others who seem/look deficient. Small, weak, nerdy, socially outcast, etc. If you look the part of someone who would stereotypically be bullied, then it's likely going to happen.

You sound like a condescending hater. There's nothing short guys can do about their height. It sounds like you're saying guys who don't meet society's expectations of an "ideal" male (being white, tall, etc) deserve to be bullied and deserve to be mocked if they're being proactive. The OP should be praised for actually being brave enough to make changes in life and it angers and threatens lazy, weak insecure guys

And being socially outcast is not a bad thing at all. It threatens haters because they resort to conforming because they're too scared to do things differently

Famous people, athletes, celebrities deal with alot of haters. A perfect example if Lebron James. People wouldn't be insulting him and calling him a bitch if he weren't one of the top players in the NBA. Same with Kevin Durant. People call him a coward for changing teams, but not when role players change teams

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Example, people will laugh at a fat person jogging, even though it's completely counter-intuitive to mock someone for doing something they clearly need to be doing to improve themselves. On the other hand, no one laughs or mocks a shirtless Hugh Jackman looking motherfucker jogging and glistening with sweat. Probably get a few honks and stares from females though.

Those who laugh at a fat person jogging are probably fat themselves and feel threatened that the fat jogger is actually attempting to lose weight instead of being complacent, eating junk food and watching TV. If they aren't fat, then they have other insecurity issues and seeing that fat jogger reminds them of how their lives suck because they cave to fear instead of being proactive

Maybe the reason these haters laugh at a fat guy instead of a Hugh Jackson-like guy is because its easier for them to rationalize and use the fact that the Hugh Jackson is jogging as an excuse for why they're not being proactive. Seeing the fat guy run, maybe they get extra threatened because it takes extra courage for him to defy a stereotype

The OP should be using whatever physical deficiencies he has (whether it being he's fat, short, ugly, etc) to feel extra good about himself because he overcame that additional barrier and is capable of being positive and proactive, whereas that someone born with Hugh Jackson-looks didn't have to overcome that additional barrier.

It probably is true that the OP would get less people shitting on him if he reacted less. But I assume he posted here because he didn't realize he got haters because he aroused jealousy. So with our support, he should now react less to haters

[Elster]

I though white tall fit males were the current negative models?
From what I've read it is literally the standard character description for a villain mainstream flick...

[Lime]

Hey man,

my experience in Western Europe is that medical students are a particular bunch with a weird kind of humor. It is like because they are sure they will become a doctor, they dumb themselves down greatly in all other settings. I have almost never met a medical student who is curious about a wide range of topics. Hope this helps.

[LeightonBlackstock]

Part of it's a UK thing mate. (I live in Thailand, by the way)

I used to do a three-mile run to the nearby village when I was a teenager. I Always got some chav honking the horn or shouting something from a car. God damn I'm happy I haven't seen a chav in four years.

In school I took some shit for being smart and getting good grades. During A-levels we had free periods so I used to spend them in the library studying (seemed entirely logical to me, as I was stuck at sixth form for the day anyway). I remember one friend drilling into me for that because I "cared too much".

I'll always remember receiving my A-Level results. I had my photo taken for the local paper, while three chavvy girls cried on the steps outside looking at their results papers and some of the friends who gave me shit failed to get into their first choice university.

I came out with the best grades in my sixth form, got an Engineering degree, and now live in Thailand (albeit, after quitting my engineering job lol).

I look on Facebook at my old schoolmates, and it's tragic how mediocre their life is. The most exciting part of the week is paying for a new boiler, making a mortgage payment or going to a sausage fest on Friday night. Where's the desire for adventure gone?

If I compare myself to all the men from my sixth form, I see that I easily have the best life: living in a tropical country, waking up at 11am for work, having sex with attractive younger women, swimming in my condo pool, eating out for every meal.

What I'm trying to say is you WILL have the last laugh.

You're gonna be a doctor, and you have the freedom to make good money in the UK or abroad if you want to.

[Dantes]

This story reminds me of Dustin Hoffman's character in the Marathon Man. Intelligent, runner who got harassed in a lower income neighborhood.

It sounds like a class thing.

In a few years when you are making bank, this will be a distant memory.

Add working out to your regiment...get bigger and stronger.

[debeguiled]

The chavs have been busy since the word was invented in 2001.

[Engineer]

(07-10-2016 06:08 PM)kongzi Wrote:  

(07-10-2016 05:46 PM)General Stalin Wrote:  

OP, what do you look like? The real reason people are fucking with you is because you look fuck-withable. People like to trash on others who seem/look deficient. Small, weak, nerdy, socially outcast, etc. If you look the part of someone who would stereotypically be bullied, then it's likely going to happen.

You sound like a condescending hater. There's nothing short guys can do about their height. It sounds like you're saying guys who don't meet society's expectations of an "ideal" male (being white, tall, etc) deserve to be bullied and deserve to be mocked if they're being proactive. The OP should be praised for actually being brave enough to make changes in life and it angers and threatens lazy, weak insecure guys

And being socially outcast is not a bad thing at all. It threatens haters because they resort to conforming because they're too scared to do things differently

You completely misunderstand. General Stalin is stating facts, they are not good or bad in and of themselves, and he is not implying the OP "deserves" anything. He is giving the best piece of advice in this thread, in my opinion. First impressions matter a great deal in how people react to you.

"Being socially outcast is not a bad thing at all" - please elaborate, are you really saying there is nothing bad about being a social outcast?

[britchard]

Ah the British psyche, if someone is trying to become better, lets drag them back down. Interested to hear which part of the country you live in OP, can't imagine things getting that bad where I live.

[Kinko]

In life you are likely going to encounter more negative types who want to drag you down. It is like a never ending bucket of crabs. Even if you are top executive, people will still be clawing for your position.

One thing I learned to do is devote an ongoing page in your journal for listing positive and negative people in your life. The column on the left is for positive types and the column on the right are negative types.

Keep track of how people treat you. You will notice how some people are varying degrees of positive, and if they mistreat you even once then their position changes. In my experience if they are in the 50% middle range or above they are keepers. Since nobody is perfect, including yourself, it just makes life easier to not be too critical of anyone. However, it is the people who consistantly linger in the negativity column, it is people who always bring you down that need to be weeded out.

Also most people are just not ultra ambitious. So do not discard people from your life just because they are not plotting to become a billionaire and save the world. It sounds strange but being ultra ambitious has its own set of negativity surrounding it. One if those is that it is lonely at the top.

Another thing about people that appear perfect and have huge goals: I have realized that I never feel close to liking people until I see some major defect in them. They have to admit it too, because appearing perfect and bulletproof is not really human. Its just fake.

[britchard]

(07-11-2016 02:01 PM)LeightonBlackstock Wrote:  

Part of it's a UK thing mate. (I live in Thailand, by the way)

I used to do a three-mile run to the nearby village when I was a teenager. I Always got some chav honking the horn or shouting something from a car. God damn I'm happy I haven't seen a chav in four years.

In school I took some shit for being smart and getting good grades. During A-levels we had free periods so I used to spend them in the library studying (seemed entirely logical to me, as I was stuck at sixth form for the day anyway). I remember one friend drilling into me for that because I "cared too much".

I'll always remember receiving my A-Level results. I had my photo taken for the local paper, while three chavvy girls cried on the steps outside looking at their results papers and some of the friends who gave me shit failed to get into their first choice university.

I came out with the best grades in my sixth form, got an Engineering degree, and now live in Thailand (albeit, after quitting my engineering job lol).

I look on Facebook at my old schoolmates, and it's tragic how mediocre their life is. The most exciting part of the week is paying for a new boiler, making a mortgage payment or going to a sausage fest on Friday night. Where's the desire for adventure gone?

If I compare myself to all the men from my sixth form, I see that I easily have the best life: living in a tropical country, waking up at 11am for work, having sex with attractive younger women, swimming in my condo pool, eating out for every meal.

What I'm trying to say is you WILL have the last laugh.

You're gonna be a doctor, and you have the freedom to make good money in the UK or abroad if you want to.

[mammal]

Live your own life. You will receive good consequences for good actions (better physical shape, medical degree, intellectual development.)
Others will receive bad consequences for their actions (flabby belly, work for minimum wage, fill their mind with celebrity gossip and TV game shows.)

Who gives a fuck what strangers think, anyway? If people who put you down are in your life (friends, colleagues, family) get them out of your life.