[WestIndianArchie]

His roommate who gave him all the advice is a chick

[samsamsam]

(05-29-2015 01:17 PM)iamdegaussed Wrote:  

She can pull out 700 crazy college stories huh?

I wonder how many of those 700 pulled out.

Probably what made her crazy.

[DetlefMourning]

http://florida.arrests.org/Arrests/Rebec...g_5536767/



WNB.

[Socrates]

[Merenguero]

(05-29-2015 10:51 AM)emilian Wrote:  

Here in Greece whe would be considered mediocre to ugly.
Also, very pretentious for a used up woman. women have no idea about real world.

In a good area of the United States, she would also be considered mediocre to ugly. In the D.C. area, both of these people are above average.

[Ziltoid]

(05-29-2015 01:26 PM)DetlefMourning Wrote:  

Let's not be too hard on the guy. It is beta and the wrong move to bring flowers on a first date, but it's pretty fucked up that in 2015 this kind of behavior is considered 'creepy' and 'weird' by carousel riders instead of sweet and endearing. It's our job to adjust to the terrain, but let's face it, the terrain fucking sucks.

As much as my kneejerk reaction is to shake my head at guys like this, I try to keep in mind... Prettymuch everyone's dad or granddad and many generations of patriarchs beforehand got laid and started families with these same "beta" tactics.
And more than ever nice guy tactics are drilled into guys head since birth, by society.

I think sometimes on this forum we take for granted just how few guys will ever even hear about the red pill, let alone go down the road of trying to apply it. And not many guys are perceptive enough to figure it out on their own.

They're not doing anything wrong, they're at worst hapless dorks. Just born in the wrong place at the wrong time.

[Merenguero]

(05-29-2015 01:45 PM)Pontifex Maximus Wrote:  

Let's keep it positive, guys:

The dude:

- Stable accounting job. Flowers ain't cheap, and neither is a $$$ Yelp dinner, so at least he ain't broke. My guess is in three years he'll get a comfy public finance job worth almost six-figures.

- Dude's white, with a chiseled chin and defined jawline. Height might be a bit off, but he already lifts. So that's a start.

- He knows a bit about dressing nice. Now he just has to put some edge on it.

- He's 24!!!

The chick in three years:

I think the Washington Post paid for the dinner, but I agree with the rest of your post.

[Dusty]

Quote:

Becca: There were certainly different things about him compared to guys I’ve been with in the past, but not necessarily positive traits. He doesn’t really seem to have as much fun going out and getting a drink. ...

"Been with."

[Captainstabbin]

(05-29-2015 03:18 PM)DetlefMourning Wrote:  

http://florida.arrests.org/Arrests/Rebec...g_5536767/



WNB.

In what world would this busted broad get flowers? She'd be lucky to get cab fare back home...

[OGNorCal707]

I think this may be the thread where I've hit the "like" button the most, great commentary on here, all I wanted to say is this just represents on a greater level the imbalance in the dating or sexual marketplace that is occurring in most parts of the U.S. A lot of the elite guys on here are talking about having harems full of women which is always the ideal goal, but the vast majority of guys in the U.S. are struggling to get sex from women that are usually not much better than a 6.

That said a lot of that blame is to be put on the man, if this Jewish dude from date lab hadn't showed up with flowers, came through wearing a fitted shirt, leather jacket, nice jeans, etc., had more of a cool guy vibe, and didn't scream cookie cutter cubicle beta, maybe the date would have gone completely different and the dude would have fucked her ass the same night.

However, the point I'm trying to make is that these two are arguably a good match on paper, they are both relatively close in terms of looks, I'd say they are both around a 6 with their SMV, however due to this imbalance in the sexual market place girls like her can sit back and pick and choose, have betas orbit, compete for their attention, shower them with praise, stroke their egos, while they pine over "hot alphas" who pick them up at the bar at the end of a Friday night, only to pump and dump them, and never text or see them again.

Shit I'm a relatively young dude, but I'm willing to bet things weren't this bad in the past, I bet 20 or 30 years ago this date may have worked out well, and the two would have hit it off, or at least she'd be open to the idea of seeing the guy again, and not say he was creepy, and "too short" even though he was a 1/2 inch taller. These chicks standards and expectations have reached ridiculous levels at least relative to their value and where it should be.

Hopefully I'm not coming off as overly defeated or pessimistic, I've seen my share of successes and failures. Game makes a huge difference and will help a guy achieve greater quality and quantity, but I still feel like it's often too much more effort and hassle than it should be, and women are just getting more delusional regarding what they feel like they deserve in a man.

[DetlefMourning]

(05-29-2015 04:18 PM)Captainstabbin Wrote:  

(05-29-2015 03:18 PM)DetlefMourning Wrote:  

http://florida.arrests.org/Arrests/Rebec...g_5536767/



WNB.

In what world would this busted broad get flowers? She'd be lucky to get cab fare back home...

Are those herpes sores on the side of her mouth?

[cibo]

This shit is funny to us since it really is such blatantly bad game.

But, I feel bad for the guy since he probably never had a person give him good advice or was skeptical enough to figure it out himself. When I was in high school I had sooo much bad advice. When I went on my first day, everyone was pretty much begging me to take flowers and chocolates on my first date. I had one guy who reasonably understood chicks say "Dude, just give her one flower or none not all". But this was in a sea of bad advice given.

I've always been somewhat questioning of people so after enough interactions with chicks, I threw out pretty much everything I knew and started from scratch. But most people don't have that sort of willingness to question everything.

[EuphoricWizard]

You're low balling her thinking 1 story = 1 dick. She's well over 1000 men and women combined most likely at 22. That's when you don't include the "It was only a blowjob or I didn't cum so it doesn't count "stories".

[Days of Broken Arrows]

(05-29-2015 03:46 PM)Ziltoid Wrote:  

(05-29-2015 01:26 PM)DetlefMourning Wrote:  

Let's not be too hard on the guy. It is beta and the wrong move to bring flowers on a first date, but it's pretty fucked up that in 2015 this kind of behavior is considered 'creepy' and 'weird' by carousel riders instead of sweet and endearing. It's our job to adjust to the terrain, but let's face it, the terrain fucking sucks.

As much as my kneejerk reaction is to shake my head at guys like this, I try to keep in mind... Prettymuch everyone's dad or granddad and many generations of patriarchs beforehand got laid and started families with these same "beta" tactics.
And more than ever nice guy tactics are drilled into guys head since birth, by society.

I think sometimes on this forum we take for granted just how few guys will ever even hear about the red pill, let alone go down the road of trying to apply it. And not many guys are perceptive enough to figure it out on their own.

They're not doing anything wrong, they're at worst hapless dorks. Just born in the wrong place at the wrong time.

"Prettymuch everyone's dad or granddad and many generations of patriarchs beforehand got laid and started families with these same "beta" tactics."

They did, but not with women like this.

Back then, judgement was harsh for women. You were a good girl or you had a "rep."

A woman such as this would already have been judged as non-relationship material from the get-go -- the kind of girl you get drunk and screw, not the kind you romance.

So his granddad never would have brought flowers for her. He'd have brought condoms and enough cash for lots of alcohol and a hotel room. Or he would have avoided a woman like this altogether if his goal was a relationship.

His grandad would also have instinctively known that women who splay their dating life all over the media don't have a romantic bone in their bodies. This is attention-whoring for women -- a way to become more popular and powerful, not a way to connect with men.

Why does this same thing not go for guys? Because for men the goal is to get laid -- and meeting a woman through a newspaper is just another way to do that. Since this isn't the woman's goal, all of the dates at Date Lab are inherently mismatched. In fact, whenever you date a woman in the public arena (i.e. dating shows, Date Lab, "celebrity" bloggers), you're mismatched because dating is not her goal -- attention is!

So...

This guy did what his grandfather would have done...but with a small-town girl the local townsfolk set him up with or the girl next door who he'd known since he was knee-high to a grasshopper. Not with a "career girl" who wanted to be in the newspaper.

Fifty years of feminist brainwashing in the media and in schools has confused men like this and left them unable to judge which women get flowers and which get Jack Daniels shots. Men no longer know how to categorize women because they now think that's its wrong to judge them.

But their grandfathers sure as hell didn't think that.

[Pride male]

Personally, my female friends/girls I havent banged yet have given me solid game advice.

One told me I am too slow.
To go for girls when they are vulnerable
My mom told me, 'just get to know them.' (ok this was bad advice).
One girl told me to dress better.
To be more patient.
To initiate proceedings or girls will take it as a slight.
No girl has ever told me to buy drinks and flowers.

[Merenguero]

I'm convinced that the Washington Post always decides not to post the stories when the guy does what he is supposed to and the date is successful. There is no way every guy who they set up ends up failing as miserably as this guy did. Maybe it would be worthwhile if I contact the Washington Post and ask if they would consider letting Tuthmosis post comments again. It's been quite a while since he was suspended for using the word "vagina" in one of his comments.

[Princeton]

(05-29-2015 09:17 AM)NY Digital Wrote:  

Anyone ever thought of giving flowers then acting like a complete asshole/player?

Would be an amusing date to say the least.

HA. Good idea. Say you stole them from the grocery store.

[OGNorCal707]

(05-29-2015 04:56 PM)Days of Broken Arrows Wrote:  

"Prettymuch everyone's dad or granddad and many generations of patriarchs beforehand got laid and started families with these same "beta" tactics."

They did, but not with women like this.

Back then, judgement was harsh for women. You were a good girl or you had a "rep."

A woman such as this would already have been judged as non-relationship material from the get-go -- the kind of girl you get drunk and screw, not the kind you romance.

So his granddad never would have brought flowers for her. He'd have brought condoms and enough cash for lots of alcohol and a hotel room. Or he would have avoided a woman like this altogether if his goal was a relationship.

His grandad would also have instinctively known that women who splay their dating life all over the media don't have a romantic bone in their bodies. This is attention-whoring for women -- a way to become more popular and powerful, not a way to connect with men.

Why does this same thing not go for guys? Because for men the goal is to get laid -- and meeting a woman through a newspaper is just another way to do that. Since this isn't the woman's goal, all of the dates at Date Lab are inherently mismatched. In fact, whenever you date a woman in the public arena (i.e. dating shows, Date Lab, "celebrity" bloggers), you're mismatched because dating is not her goal -- attention is!

So...

This guy did what his grandfather would have done...but with a small-town girl the local townsfolk set him up with or the girl next door who he'd known since he was knee-high to a grasshopper. Not with a "career girl" who wanted to be in the newspaper.

Fifty years of feminist brainwashing in the media and in schools has confused men like this and damaged their lives. They no longer know how to categorize women because they now think that's its wrong to judge women.

But their grandfathers sure as hell didn't think that.

[Drazen]

Summary:

Female Roomate
Takes advise from female roomate
Brought flowers
Described as "not fun"
Talked about politics, the daily show and the Colbert Report
Takes it slow
Doesn't take the initiative / leaves things to chance
Wears a white undershirt under his button up.

I don't blame the girl at all. The guy is a total, emasculated dud which is the product of today's feminist society and she's a fresh out of college slut looking to get railed by some bros.

[HeyPete]

Funny she's a ... Communications Intern for the
National Network to End Domestic Violence (NNEDV)

I'm a Communications Intern for
Stop Dating Thug Assholes Who Hit You. (SDTAWHY)

We can never seem to get on the same page.

[AnonymousBosch]

(05-29-2015 05:23 PM)Princeton Wrote:  

(05-29-2015 09:17 AM)NY Digital Wrote:  

Anyone ever thought of giving flowers then acting like a complete asshole/player?

Would be an amusing date to say the least.

HA. Good idea. Say you stole them from the grocery store.

Go full Dark Triad. Bring a bouquet of Lillies, and say you passed a Cemetery on the way.

[Captainstabbin]

(05-29-2015 04:29 PM)DetlefMourning Wrote:  

Are those herpes sores on the side of her mouth?

Either that or she's been hitting the pipe.

[Merenguero]

(05-29-2015 09:54 PM)AnonymousBosch Wrote:  

(05-29-2015 05:23 PM)Princeton Wrote:  

(05-29-2015 09:17 AM)NY Digital Wrote:  

Anyone ever thought of giving flowers then acting like a complete asshole/player?

Would be an amusing date to say the least.

HA. Good idea. Say you stole them from the grocery store.

Go full Dark Triad. Bring a bouquet of Lillies, and say you passed a Cemetery on the way.

Say the girl you banged earlier that day gave them to you.

[StrikeBack]

I'm not familiar with Date Lab. Is it a blind date that they only see each other at the venue organised by Date Lab?

Because if I looked like this guy - blue pill or red pill - and saw a photo of this girl beforehand, I wouldn't show up with flowers. I wouldn't even show up at all. She's seriously busted with a massive nose! That's just the face, the other picture of her LinkedIn shows a fat body as well.

[Frontenac]

She looks like Club Soda Kenny from the now-defunct Opie and Anthony Show.