From New Jersey: Sexual Assault By Deception?
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"Sexual battery by false pretenses" actually is a thing that exists, in some jurisdictions.
Great idea.
I'm sure once these laws are on the books en masse the state will be aggressively pursuing women that lie about their past number of sexual partners? Or that they're on the pill? Or that their last pap smear was HPV negative?
No?
Great idea.
I'm sure once these laws are on the books en masse the state will be aggressively pursuing women that lie about their past number of sexual partners? Or that they're on the pill? Or that their last pap smear was HPV negative?
No?
For some reason it's on the front page but can't be linked properly (I already tried).
Weird.
Weird.
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LYING TO GET sex has been going on since Adam ate the proverbial apple.
It will never stop. But wouldn't it be great if there was somewhere that a burned lover could turn to if she discovered that the man who told her he was childless not only had a 10-year-old, but also a pregnant side jawn?
Or if the person they're sleeping with showed them photos of a beautiful home he claimed to own but in reality was living in his parents' basement?
In other words, wouldn't it be great if a woman duped into having sex could have the jerk arrested?
Absolutely, says Mischele Lewis. The 37-year-old suburban-mom-turned-activist is the inspiration behind a bill in New Jersey that would make sexual assault by deception a crime.
I know this is going to make some readers livid, but stay with me: Introduced late last year by Assemblyman Troy Singleton, D-Burlington, the bill would make "sexual assault by fraud" a punishable offense. The bill defines it as "an act of sexual penetration to which a person has given consent because the actor has misrepresented the purpose of the act or has represented he is someone he is not."
"I think it's important because trying to deceive anyone for the purpose of sexual gratification is just wrong," Lewis told me last week as we sat on her front porch in Florence Township, N.J. "Every person has the right to knowing consent. And before they consent to be intimate with anybody, they should absolutely know 100 percent who it is that they are being intimate with.
"Whether it's as simple as . . . they slip off their wedding ring and then they engage in a relationship with someone, but the man or woman has no idea that the person they are with is married," she added. "Lying to someone else for any reason is never OK, whether it be [for] a job, a relationship, criminal history, parental history, marital history . . .. When did we become a society that thinks it's completely acceptable to lie to other people on a daily basis and think that's morally OK?"
Several phone calls to Singleton weren't returned late last week.
Should it pass, such a bill would open up a whole realm of possibilities for tricked lovers. But is that what we really want, especially given all the concerns about mass incarceration?
"On the one hand, we want law enforcement to have the law on their side in order to go after sexual predators who try to lure victims into sexual situations through deceit," pointed out Kathleen Bogle, assistant professor of sociology and criminal justice at La Salle University. "On the other hand, many people lie to get sex and we may not want to cast too broad of a net in pursuing these situations through criminal law.
"Most people would agree that lying to obtain sex is immoral, but only a fraction of those scenarios should be punishable by criminal law," she added.
She's right about not clogging up the legal system.
But there's such a thing as principle. As Yale law professor Jed Rubenfield wrote in a 2013 edition of the Yale Law Review, "Rape-by-deception is almost universally rejected in American criminal law. But if rape is sex without the victim's consent - as many courts, state statutes and scholars say it is - then sex-by-deception ought to be rape, because as courts have held for a hundred years in virtually every area of the law outside of rape, a consent procured through deception is no consent at all."
Meanwhile, Lewis, whose dating horror story was chronicled in the Daily News last year and later on NBC's "Dateline," is recuperating from the shock of discovering that the man she met on an online dating site back in 2013 was a con artist.
I met her a year ago, just days after Cherry Hill police arrested William Allen Jordan on charges of sexual assault, theft by deception and impersonating a law-enforcement officer. Over coffee at a Starbucks in Mount Laurel, she described how she'd become enmeshed in his tangled web of lies that stretched all the way to England.
Not only had the man she knew as Liam Allen lied to her about his legal name, but instead of being some sort of secret agent of the British government, as he claimed, he had served time in the U.K. for bigamy. He also had failed to register as a sex offender and had been convicted of indecent assault of a minor.
But back when she was falling madly in love, Lewis, a labor and delivery nurse, knew nothing about Jordan's nefarious ways. When she was handing over $5,000 for a phony security clearance, she had no clue that she was just Jordan's latest victim.
In November, he pleaded guilty to third-degree theft by deception and was ordered to pay restitution. He's currently serving a three-year prison sentence in New Jersey.
As for Lewis, she plans to sell her waterfront home in Roebling, N.J., to get away from the memories she made with Jordan. She's also hoping that Singleton's bill makes it through the legislative process so that it can help others from being duped the way she was.
"Never is it acceptable," Lewis said. "It's wrong every single time, and in a lot of cases illegal what they're doing. In some way, sometime, it's going to catch up."
LYING TO GET sex has been going on since Adam ate the proverbial apple.
It will never stop. But wouldn't it be great if there was somewhere that a burned lover could turn to if she discovered that the man who told her he was childless not only had a 10-year-old, but also a pregnant side jawn?
Or if the person they're sleeping with showed them photos of a beautiful home he claimed to own but in reality was living in his parents' basement?
In other words, wouldn't it be great if a woman duped into having sex could have the jerk arrested?
Absolutely, says Mischele Lewis. The 37-year-old suburban-mom-turned-activist is the inspiration behind a bill in New Jersey that would make sexual assault by deception a crime.
I know this is going to make some readers livid, but stay with me: Introduced late last year by Assemblyman Troy Singleton, D-Burlington, the bill would make "sexual assault by fraud" a punishable offense. The bill defines it as "an act of sexual penetration to which a person has given consent because the actor has misrepresented the purpose of the act or has represented he is someone he is not."
"I think it's important because trying to deceive anyone for the purpose of sexual gratification is just wrong," Lewis told me last week as we sat on her front porch in Florence Township, N.J. "Every person has the right to knowing consent. And before they consent to be intimate with anybody, they should absolutely know 100 percent who it is that they are being intimate with.
"Whether it's as simple as . . . they slip off their wedding ring and then they engage in a relationship with someone, but the man or woman has no idea that the person they are with is married," she added. "Lying to someone else for any reason is never OK, whether it be [for] a job, a relationship, criminal history, parental history, marital history . . .. When did we become a society that thinks it's completely acceptable to lie to other people on a daily basis and think that's morally OK?"
Several phone calls to Singleton weren't returned late last week.
Should it pass, such a bill would open up a whole realm of possibilities for tricked lovers. But is that what we really want, especially given all the concerns about mass incarceration?
"On the one hand, we want law enforcement to have the law on their side in order to go after sexual predators who try to lure victims into sexual situations through deceit," pointed out Kathleen Bogle, assistant professor of sociology and criminal justice at La Salle University. "On the other hand, many people lie to get sex and we may not want to cast too broad of a net in pursuing these situations through criminal law.
"Most people would agree that lying to obtain sex is immoral, but only a fraction of those scenarios should be punishable by criminal law," she added.
She's right about not clogging up the legal system.
But there's such a thing as principle. As Yale law professor Jed Rubenfield wrote in a 2013 edition of the Yale Law Review, "Rape-by-deception is almost universally rejected in American criminal law. But if rape is sex without the victim's consent - as many courts, state statutes and scholars say it is - then sex-by-deception ought to be rape, because as courts have held for a hundred years in virtually every area of the law outside of rape, a consent procured through deception is no consent at all."
Meanwhile, Lewis, whose dating horror story was chronicled in the Daily News last year and later on NBC's "Dateline," is recuperating from the shock of discovering that the man she met on an online dating site back in 2013 was a con artist.
I met her a year ago, just days after Cherry Hill police arrested William Allen Jordan on charges of sexual assault, theft by deception and impersonating a law-enforcement officer. Over coffee at a Starbucks in Mount Laurel, she described how she'd become enmeshed in his tangled web of lies that stretched all the way to England.
Not only had the man she knew as Liam Allen lied to her about his legal name, but instead of being some sort of secret agent of the British government, as he claimed, he had served time in the U.K. for bigamy. He also had failed to register as a sex offender and had been convicted of indecent assault of a minor.
But back when she was falling madly in love, Lewis, a labor and delivery nurse, knew nothing about Jordan's nefarious ways. When she was handing over $5,000 for a phony security clearance, she had no clue that she was just Jordan's latest victim.
In November, he pleaded guilty to third-degree theft by deception and was ordered to pay restitution. He's currently serving a three-year prison sentence in New Jersey.
As for Lewis, she plans to sell her waterfront home in Roebling, N.J., to get away from the memories she made with Jordan. She's also hoping that Singleton's bill makes it through the legislative process so that it can help others from being duped the way she was.
"Never is it acceptable," Lewis said. "It's wrong every single time, and in a lot of cases illegal what they're doing. In some way, sometime, it's going to catch up."
You beat me to it, OP. As soon as I read the story in the Daily News this morning, I immediately thought of this forum.
How many counts of SIF has this woman been guilty of?
Quote: (05-26-2015 08:44 AM)StrikeBack Wrote:
How many counts of SIF has this woman been guilty of?
I think the only way she could pull of the sif thing is just showing a pic of her eyeball.
This fatty is lucky she got any attention. She got conned out of money and the guy was prosecuted. Didn't this milk bottle wonder why she was getting attention from this guy? I haven't seen a pic but I bet he was dating down significantly.
But any lie gets you arrested? I mean if I say my favorite color is purple and that gets me laid and then she finds out it is pistachio green, I am going to get arrested?
Time to leave country when the useless make the rules.
Also, I knew it was going to be a train wreck when I saw her name Mischele. I know this is a terrible generalization but I have never had a good experience with someone who had a funny spelling for a normal name.
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I don't know, guys. This seems pretty serious. Just look at some of the lies this woman has been told over the years by complete creeps:
- "It's okay, I wasn't that hungry anyways"
- "I definitely would have sex with you, but I have to be up really early in the morning"
- "No, that dress doesn't make you look fat"
- "The reason I can't get an erection is because of how drunk I am"
- "It's okay, I didn't like that chair anyways"
- "I think fat women are beautiful"
- "There's no food in my kitchen, I just moved in"
- "No, I definitely don't find you disgusting"
- "You're really interesting"
- "It's okay, I wasn't that hungry anyways"
- "I definitely would have sex with you, but I have to be up really early in the morning"
- "No, that dress doesn't make you look fat"
- "The reason I can't get an erection is because of how drunk I am"
- "It's okay, I didn't like that chair anyways"
- "I think fat women are beautiful"
- "There's no food in my kitchen, I just moved in"
- "No, I definitely don't find you disgusting"
- "You're really interesting"
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In other words, wouldn't it be great if a woman duped into having sex could have the jerk arrested?
They reveal the true agenda. Wouldn't it be great if a WOMAN duped by a JERK could send him to jail.
I've said it before and will again: modern feminism is nothing more than a female supremacy movement.
The worst part is that big daddy government continues to cave to this plainly obvious agenda.
If the law was enforced in both sides, it would not go well for women.
WIA
WIA
I keep wondering what is going to happen the first time a tranny gets sued for impersonating a woman on an internet dating service. Even the fetish sites have enough sense not to list them as women, but they seem to be pushing hard to get their "gender identity" recognized. I can see some major explosions take place when a beta Herb with a big wallet goes after Randi who turned out to be Randall.
Quote: (05-26-2015 09:56 AM)ColSpanker Wrote:
I keep wondering what is going to happen the first time a tranny gets sued for impersonating a woman on an internet dating service. Even the fetish sites have enough sense not to list them as women, but they seem to be pushing hard to get their "gender identity" recognized. I can see some major explosions take place when a beta Herb with a big wallet goes after Randi who turned out to be Randall.
That shit almost happened to me last summer. I was getting eye fucked by a woman at the club and then I put 2 and 2 together realizing it was the tranny who ran out of the mens room a half hour earlier. A couple of shots later and I could have been getting my balls groped by a guy. Bullet dodged.
So if you added a couple inches here and there this Snorlax and her ilk can ruin your life?
Quote: (05-26-2015 09:43 AM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:
If the law was enforced in both sides, it would not go well for women.
WIA
When is a law ever enforced on both sides when it involves a woman? Sad laugh face
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The only time lying to get into someone pants should be in any way punishable by law is if the person is lying about having HIV/AIDS - even then it's every individual's personal responsibility to practice safe sex in the first place.
If you consciously choose to have intercourse with someone else - lies or not - then it should stand to be understood that you consented to a physical act. Just because you would have said "no" in some other scenario doesn't change the reality of it. Both parties were attracted to one another and agreed to have sex. Just because you regret it afterward does not mean you get to seek legal action. This is just another hysterics story of women trying to gain more power over men by way of the government.
If you consciously choose to have intercourse with someone else - lies or not - then it should stand to be understood that you consented to a physical act. Just because you would have said "no" in some other scenario doesn't change the reality of it. Both parties were attracted to one another and agreed to have sex. Just because you regret it afterward does not mean you get to seek legal action. This is just another hysterics story of women trying to gain more power over men by way of the government.
If this shit passes and starts spreading, that's it, I'm out.
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