[Agastya]

(05-27-2015 07:36 PM)Cobra Wrote:  

When people like Chick Magnet and Broady were so convinced by the empty facts, some Indians like Agastya (and maybe others that 'liked' the posts) jumped on. Indians trolling Indians. Worst kind. While I would deem the hateful western forum members as masturbators within the thread, I would deem the Indian ones premature ejaculators. Trolling your own background and culture comes at a price. And it's a different level when there are guys that were born to "Indian" parents but never been to India. As if that gives you more liberty to troll Indians from the homeland.

There are plenty of aspects of Indian culture that I see as far superior to Western culture. India's current poverty and overpopulation are historical novelties. If you read European or Arab travel accounts from before the colonial period, you'll notice that foreigners were awed by Indian wealth, architecture, and military might. The Mughal emperors were among the most powerful men in the world throughout their reign, as were the Guptas, the Mauryas, and the emperors of Vijayanagar. Similarly, I think Indian family values vastly outweigh those of certain western cultures. I love the color of Indian culture, the food, the music, and yes, I love visiting the country itself and witnessing my own heritage.

Every country has its problems. Would you deny America has a problem with obesity and police violence? Would you deny that Apartheid South Africa had a problem with racism? Would you deny that Ciudad Juarez in Mexico has a murder problem, or that Japan has issues with underpopulation and birthrate.

Similarly, I'm justified in pointing out that yes, India, Pakistan, and Bangladesh have issues with rape and violence against women. Dowry burnings don't happen in other countries. Things like acid attacks and female infanticide persist in India. I'm not being an "Uncle Tom" when I point this out. Obviously I don't think that every man in India is an evil, murderous rapist, and I'm fully aware that the idiotic Western media has exaggerated these issues in an attempt to profit off of worldwide Indophobia. These things are still problems, however, and deserve to be treated as such.

[El Chinito loco]

If the Indian rape culture thing is exaggerated why is it that every other Indian tourist in Bangkok behaves like this too? It's a well known phenomenon in Southeast asia as well.

Before you mention it i'm not talking about the localized thai indian population or the indians from the U.K./U.S. but the actual indians from india are always causing trouble with groping, leering, and general no game aggro behavior that pisses off locals in whatever asian country they're in at the moment.

[Saladin]

(05-27-2015 07:36 PM)Cobra Wrote:  

You know what side I'm on; and have always been there. And I hate IRTs more than my western brothers do.

I'd like to quote this gem from the excellent article you quoted Slim and make some comparisons to this very thread as it perfectly explains the incessant trolling I hinted at earlier but couldn't quite put into words yet.

Quote:

The campaign to paint India blacker than it is sadly has worked. It is now a ‘fact’ for most foreigners (and for the convinced Indians) that Indian women have to live terrible lives, more terrible than anywhere else. No disagreeing possible. Everyone will shout you down with plenty of horrific examples. Yes, there are plenty of horrific examples and one needs to find out the reasons and find remedies. But individual criminals do not define a country, even less, if other countries have more of them. So why is India beaten with “another gang rape” again and again? Is the purpose to spoil the image of India? And if so, why?"

When people like Chick Magnet and Broady were so convinced by the empty facts, some Indians like Agastya (and maybe others that 'liked' the posts) jumped on. Indians trolling Indians. Worst kind. While I would deem the hateful western forum members as masturbators within the thread, I would deem the Indian ones premature ejaculators. Trolling your own background and culture comes at a price. And it's a different level when there are guys that were born to "Indian" parents but never been to India. As if that gives you more liberty to troll Indians from the homeland.

The horrible examples noted in the article came from all sides whether it was rapes, groping, dowries; mostly based on what was "heard" or "read."

In conclusion, the haters now reading Slim Shady's post will have a tough time reconciling the traditional more red pill mindset of the Indian culture to the resentment towards it. That would explain some of the delays in posting as they cannot come up with a rational argument.

That's what differentiates trolling from a discussion. Almost all threads with IRT in the title are bound to troll the forum like a spirit that will wander forever. Like in the real world, hate towards something that was fed through propaganda is real hate. Evidence of that is in the forum. Take note of Nazi Germany. While not the same shit, the narrative has stark and sometimes horrifying similarities veiled in vagueness and journalistic trickery.

I appreciate that Slim and I held our frame throughout and maybe this serves as an example to any of my remaining strong South Asian brothers on the forum, Hindu or not.

I'm not trolling. I've lived in India when younger and have visited it multiple times.

My life is vastly superior practically everywhere else.

There are positive aspects of Indian culture, such as the food, the history, etc.

However, you can't deny that large parts of the country are extremely backwards. I mean, the caste system still holds strong in many parts of India. How fucked up is that?

Mindsets regarding women, pre-marital sex, dating are pretty primitive outside of bigger cities. Maybe it was Victorian British rule that caused that.

I would not advise an attractive female friend to go to India alone.

In regards to red pill mindsets, have you seen how babied the average Indian man is? I'd say India is many ways very strongly matriarchal. Remember, that India has had female political leaders before. I'd say the IRT behavior is caused by Indian men's upbringing and sexual repression. Very few of these men would be rapists, but plenty of these guys will leer and be very creepy without causing actual physical harm.

[KC4]

^^True that. Here is the thing that bothers me with alot of my country men from back home in India. While there are good argument from both sides and there is alot of truth from again, both sides. But why do we keep hearing about this shit?

I was born in india but my mother's side is second generation thai/indian and i spent practically all my summers there whenever I could as kid. I never saw this kind of behaviour within my family there. Yet I saw and heard shit alot from other indians . Mostly bad behaviour In public. I saw the haggling, the staring , not any groping though but I think I saw a indian guy arguing with a khatoy(ladyboy) once can't remember the details.

Alot Indians in india are very sexually frustrated and with bollywood and social pressure. It's always your parents way or the high way. My cousin couldn't marry his Korean girlfriend of 5 years because no other reason that she comes from a asian background. Because they think she is of lower value. Not all familya are the same though.

But why do we keep hearing about this stuff again. It's also about media. They will always highlight the degenerates of society the same way you would see craziest Arab in the middle east instead of some regular guy who's trying to survive.How many of you indian guys as a kids whenever you told someone you were indian they immediately do the accent by apu from the Simpsons. It's the media. Sometimes it's funny other cases it's not. It's makin the stereotype stronger.

The same way we will only hear about the brutal rape cases back there when we could hear about the scientific breakthroughs in astronomy or physics. It's kind of like the inception putting so whenever you hear india you think weird. The same way when we think when think IRT we think "oh he most love white blond women". Maybe there is some truth to it but it also has become somewhat of a stearotype.

[BlueOcean]

Quote:

general no game aggro behavior

Honestly, I can't say I've ever seen that behavior among Indians in America. They seem too educated for that and are well adjusted. I'd hesitate
to compare better educated immigrants here to the guys back there.

but in Canada, there seem to be a lot of less educated Indians.
I've seen a lot of Indian dudes who acted like that at the clubs in Vancouver and Surrey. Mad aggro, zero game. A lot of them
go around in huge packs. The local white and Asian chicks hate them and call them Surrey Jacks.

[PeruLover12]

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[WalterBlack]

(05-27-2015 08:53 PM)El Chinito loco Wrote:  

If the Indian rape culture thing is exaggerated why is it that every other Indian tourist in Bangkok behaves like this too? It's a well known phenomenon in Southeast asia as well.

Before you mention it i'm not talking about the localized thai indian population or the indians from the U.K./U.S. but the actual indians from india are always causing trouble with groping, leering, and general no game aggro behavior that pisses off locals in whatever asian country they're in at the moment.

Indians who are born in western countries look at the FOBS with disdain. A lot of the Indians who turn up in Thailand are illegal villagers or thirsty middle class Indians who’ve never been near a woman before. Bangkok is used as a stop off point by some Indians to move to Singapore, Australia or the US/Canada. I remember one old Indian village guy telling me that he gave nearly all of his life savings ($15,000) to his nephew so that he could get to the US via Bangkok. He blew all the money on drugs and whores and was back in India in 6months.

Indians always haggle too, I’ve heard stories of FOB Indians trying to haggle prices with whores.

I have an Indian friend who grew up Thailand and who now lives in in the US. He’s as cool as fuck, he smokes weed, DJs, plays basketball and he’s married to a cute Thai lady. He’s nothing like those FOB Indian shitheads in Bangkok.

Indian men are so thirsty because India is an anti-game culture. This is the life story of many young Indian men:

Middle class Indians:

• Birth – has a special ceremony to celebrate the fact that a son is born. Thirst Level - 0
• Growing up in parents home – told not to mix with females. Women are ignored. Watches western movies or porn in secret. Grows up thinking white women are sluts. Thirst Level - 10
• College – encouraged by parents to stay away from girls and concentrate on study. Often sent to a single sex college. Thirst Level -20
• Post college – works for a few years. Never bangs any women. Dreams about pussy, watches a lot of porn. Thirst Level - 50
• Moves abroad – he still has the same level of thirst, and too shy to approach foreign women when sober. When drunk he approaches and he finds out that they are not slutty and they tell him to fuck off. Thirst Level - 1000
  

Lower class poor village Indians

• Birth – has a special ceremony to celebrate the fact that a son is born. Thirst Level - 0
• Growing up in parents home – told not to mix with females. Women are ignored. Watches western movies or porn in secret. Grows up thinking white women are sluts. Has no exposure to any females who are unrelated to him. He’s not allowed to talk to them. Thirst Level - 50
• Moves abroad – he still has the same level of thirst, and approaches foreign women thinking they are slutty. He finds out that they are not slutty and they tell him to fuck off. Tells all his male friends and cousins in India that he getting laid regularly. In real life he’s seeing hookers. Thirst Level - 1000
  

If this is the life story of a man, when the fuck is supposed to learn how to pick up and/or relate to women?! After all this he can get on a plane back to India and have an arranged marriage.

(05-28-2015 12:49 AM)BlueOcean Wrote:  

Quote:

general no game aggro behavior

Honestly, I can't say I've ever seen that behavior among Indians in America. They seem too educated for that and are well adjusted. I'd hesitate
to compare better educated immigrants here to the guys back there.

but in Canada, there seem to be a lot of less educated Indians.
I've seen a lot of Indian dudes who acted like that at the clubs in Vancouver and Surrey. Mad aggro, zero game. A lot of them
go around in huge packs. The local white and Asian chicks hate them and call them Surrey Jacks.

Jacks comes from the word Jatt, which is a Punjabi caste – see Lower class poor village Indians above for their mindset.

India IS a shitty place for women to travel alone. I’ve told western females to never go alone. India was a great civilization back in the day, but I can’t see how that’s relevant to this discussion.

[Slim Shady]

Good god mates, you guys could write a script for a 1970's Indian B-Movie with your fantasies of what constantly happens. I also think some of the new guys posting in the thread need to learn some forum etiquette.

Instead of trying to have a pissing match with Cobra please read and respond to my posts on the previous page. I don't think I can express the reality any better in polite and objective ways.

I have made made some appropriate analogies to Western world issues that will maybe help you swallow this pill a bit easier.

I doubt however that this issue will go away. Remember how difficult it is to convince the average guy [or even worse, a feminist] of red pill values? You really can not do it, no matter how many facts you throw at them.

My arguments 99% of the time are about finding the truth. My "view" does not mean much to me if it can be factually disproven. It is all about dialectic. I hope that it is the same for you, otherwise you will learn nothing.


Why don't you guys believe that 1 in 4 American college girls are raped?

[Chick Magnet]

(05-28-2015 03:07 PM)Slim Shady Wrote:  

Why don't you guys believe that 1 in 4 American college girls are raped?

Because 9/10 American college girls are riding the cock carousel. Most of them are quite proud of it.

Some wake up the next morning with regret. Their brain is incapable of processing how they ended up sleeping with a guy 3+ points beneath them. So they lash out and say, "I was raped".

But I'll tell you what...I went to a big state university and not once did I see a guy whip out his dick and masturbate to random passer-bys.

[Slim Shady]

Think about this: Why is feminism being pushed as an agenda? Why is feminism profitable?

It is VERY important to governments, corporations, and the West in general that feminism take root in India. Large parts of India still stand firm against feminism with their strong family values. That is no good. Those people need to be shamed as rapists and misogynists so that their children will take up the feminist mantle and be revolted by the archaic beliefs of their parents.

[Kabuli]

(05-28-2015 03:35 PM)Chick Magnet Wrote:  

(05-28-2015 03:07 PM)Slim Shady Wrote:  

Why don't you guys believe that 1 in 4 American college girls are raped?

Because 9/10 American college girls are riding the cock carousel. Most of them are quite proud of it.

Some wake up the next morning with regret. Their brain is incapable of processing how they ended up sleeping with a guy 3+ points beneath them. So they lash out and say, "I was raped".

But I'll tell you what...I went to a big state university and not once did I see a guy whip out his dick and masturbate to random passer-bys.

There are thousands of voyeur videos where a man takes out his cock in a public bus and touches the ass of the girl even ejaculating on her ass. It's called "Encoxada" mostly happening in Argentina, Brazil and Mexico.

[Slim Shady]

While some of the dissenting guys are legitimately misinformed but making polite arguments, Chick Magnet is giving off a strong troll stench. He has either not read my post, or because he has read it and realizes it to be true, chooses to ignore it to propagate an opinion based false agenda.

Publicly masturbating is 100% wrong. Publicly masturbating on a woman is 100% sexual harassment.

The original post in this thread is silly and at this point not worth much consideration.

There are deeper social, economic, religious, and political issues at play in India that need to be realized in order to see why it is being portrayed as a rape haven.

[Kabuli]

(05-28-2015 03:52 PM)Slim Shady Wrote:  

Think about this: Why is feminism being pushed as an agenda? Why is feminism profitable?

It is VERY important to governments, corporations, and the West in general that feminism take root in India. Large parts of India still stand firm against feminism with their strong family values. That is no good. Those people need to be shamed as rapists and misogynists so that their children will take up the feminist mantle and be revolted by the archaic beliefs of their parents.

Loving your posts Slim.

Roosh recently wrote this in his Latvian model false rape accusation thread:
"In other news, a woman's group found 50% of rape accusations they examined were false.

Quote:
According the data, 1,466 of the 2,753 rape cases registered with the women’s panel between April 2013 and July 2014 were found to be false.
Chairperson of the Delhi Commission for Women Barkha Singh said such “frivolous” complaints were worrisome."
This happened in Delhi, capital of India.

[El Chinito loco]

(05-28-2015 03:52 PM)Slim Shady Wrote:  

Those people need to be shamed as rapists and misogynists so that their children will take up the feminist mantle and be revolted by the archaic beliefs of their parents.

They are certainly trying to globalize feminism in asia, middle east, and the subcontinent as well but it's probably not wise to view the natural state of gender relations in India as a positive buffer against feminism.

It's just another weird repressive sexual extreme stifling natural gender relations. Feminism is also a social extreme stifling natural gender relations but just in a more dogmatic western ivory tower way.

The way things are in India is not good anti-feminism anymore than Saudi Arabia's wahhabist culture and sharia following is a good thing to align with against feminism.

It's all just a different form of cultural degeneracy.

When talking about these matters we probably shouldn't let our ethnic male hamsters run wild. There's nothing wrong with pointing out the flaws of people who share your ethnicity or culture. I noticed on RvF talking about these things gets people really defensive. There's no need for that.

[Slim Shady]

Come on man, you can not seriously compare Indian culture to Saudi!

My argument from the start has been that sexual harassment is a problem on the streets but overall the rape/sexual violence problem is no bigger than any other civilized country. In fact when seen as a percentage of the total population, it is much lower.

There is no male hamster. Trust me when I tell you that guys like me and Cobra hate actual socially retarded "IRTs" much more than our non Indian brothers on this forum.

Real "IRTs" give us all a bad name, and help propagate a false narrative. We do not deny their existence, and we certainly view them as someone that needs a lot of help. We have met these guys in real life, know some of them very well in our personal lives, and so we understand the true extent of the problem.

That being said, the guy in the OP is not an "IRT" per say, but a mentally unstable deviant. His behavior is criminal, and while it may not be unique, it is certainly rare.

I will not post any more in this thread unless something drastic happens. I have made my arguments, quite well I would say. There are a few more points I wished to elaborate on which have to deal with religious intricacies [there is a Christian and Islamic "tyranny of the minority" in India. In fact the Christian groups in India are on the side of feminism!] and if anyone wants to hear about that I am willing to elaborate via PM.

Too many groups that you would think are unrelated unless you had a real knowledge of India are colluding to create this false narrative so as to embed India with feminism full force.

The reason we have a backwards culture in certain parts of India, and the reason we have sexually repressed IRTs is not because of traditional Indian culture, but because of the outside influences from the West that has left conflicting messages and an inferiority complex in the minds of the young people in the country.

[Chick Magnet]

(05-28-2015 04:02 PM)Slim Shady Wrote:  

While some of the dissenting guys are legitimately misinformed but making polite arguments, Chick Magnet is giving off a strong troll stench. He has either not read my post, or because he has read it and realizes it to be true, chooses to ignore it to propagate an opinion based false agenda.

Publicly masturbating is 100% wrong. Publicly masturbating on a woman is 100% sexual harassment.

The original post in this thread is silly and at this point not worth much consideration.

There are deeper social, economic, religious, and political issues at play in India that need to be realized in order to see why it is being portrayed as a rape haven.

Your posts reek of nationalist zealotry. I'm not the only one smelling it.

Instead of admitting that India's a sexually-repressed country (which anyone who's spent time around Indian guys knows), you're ranting about conspiracies.

Listen, I'm sure India is a fine country in many ways...but sexually the place is fucked. I'd never let my daughter or any female I cared about go there.

[WalterBlack]

(05-28-2015 04:27 PM)Slim Shady Wrote:  

The reason we have a backwards culture in certain parts of India, and the reason we have sexually repressed IRTs is not because of traditional Indian culture, but because of the outside influences from the West that has left conflicting messages and an inferiority complex in the minds of the young people in the country.

I respectfully disagree. My connection to India is through Punjabi villages and as far as I know they don’t give a fuck about western influence there. My father’s village was dominated by Muslims until partition and there’s still some things carried on from those times e.g. women of my mother’s generation will cover their head with a chuni (thin scarf) outside the house, nobody eats pork (and they’re all Hindu or Sikh). Also younger girls even now are not allowed to wear western clothes.

The only western things the young males consume in the villages is porn, they don’t give a shit about western TV, movies or music. Almost none of them speak English. A lot of these guys are the ones coming over illegally to Europe, SE Asia, Australia and US/Canada.

I don’t know where you get this inferiority complex thing from either. A lot of these guys think they are better than everybody!

No matter where you go in the world, villages are always more backwards in thinking.

[Sourcecode]

How are they so repressed with such a high birth rate and population

[Chick Magnet]

(05-28-2015 05:49 PM)Sourcecode Wrote:  

How are they so repressed with such a high birth rate and population

The average Arab women has 5 kids.

There's actually a negative correlation between fertility and sexual freedom in most part of the world.

[El Chinito loco]

(05-28-2015 05:49 PM)Sourcecode Wrote:  

How are they so repressed with such a high birth rate and population

When you finally get that pussy you're going to attack it ferociously.

Also agrarian societies pump out kids like water from a well.

[WalterBlack]

(05-28-2015 06:11 PM)El Chinito loco Wrote:  

(05-28-2015 05:49 PM)Sourcecode Wrote:  

How are they so repressed with such a high birth rate and population

When you finally get that pussy you're going to attack it ferociously.

Also agrarian societies pump out kids like water from a well.

True, plus they have a lot of kids because they need people to work the land, and a lot of them die. Basically everybody of my parents’ generation lost multiple siblings due to illness. Many kids would barely live longer than a few years just 50 years ago.

[Cobra]

I think I'm man enough to admit I was not really as polite as I should have been in my posts. I've been here pretty long and seen a lot of IRT threads. While I feel strongly about the points I made earlier, I took a tone that caused me to stoop a bit lower than I should have. Saladin and Agastya have made some good arguments as well and I sincerely apologize to them and other legit members that I lost my shit.

That being said ...

I never said jizzing on some girl is right. It is laughable that this is what I'm being accused of. It is even more laughable that people think this is some common occurance in India.

Maybe I can clarify. Harassment and issues caused by the mindset of some Indian guys can turn themselves into dangerous situations. It is a much bigger issue in India than open jizzing. . So of course, as it is atruth, I have no problem in agreeing with it. It's just not at "epidemic" levels as the naysayers want to think it is. Knowing this, and understanding the cultural atmosphere of a country (again like I said, I know it's not flowers and kittens) before you go in is common sense and in some cases also respectful. Chances are if you are not revealing too much as a woman, or have a man with you, the trolls will not harm you. Feel free to disagree with me.

And speaking of trolls, yes I would agree that Indian guys generally have no game. I have friends like this and also other Indian friends that have better game than most Western guys will ever have. It is a result of social programming that has more than its fair share of western influence, although not in every single situation. Improving game for an Indian guy is far more difficult than his western counterpart. I started a thread/article about it once: http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-42049....nside+the. Nothing bothers me more than an IRT because they are the worst representation of Indian culture.

Also never said Hindu culture is superior. As a matter of fact, lots of South Asian and even East Asian religions are culturally very consistent in how they operate.

I would also agree that the traditional Indian mindset (not just Hindu) is very red pill and it operated just fine for thousands of years. However, when you drop into it elements from the "recent" past such as media, income levels and education, the formula gets blurry. Remember each of these elements have western influence. It's a given. For media, if you look at Bollywood for example, it touts western ideals while often times leaving the traditions behind.

(05-28-2015 07:06 AM)The Ligurian Wrote:  

You have twisted the argument from sexual harassment to being one about some supposed hatred for Hindu culture despite the fact nobody ever mentioned it being a solely Hindu problem. Do you know how many millions of Muslims live in India too? IRT's are not in any way of one religion. They are Hindu, Jain, Sikh, Muslim, Christian etc. It's a pan-religious issue in India because sexual dynamics are so fucked up there across the board for guys of all religions. Despite sounding like a one of the destroyers of Ayodhya you have no idea about India or the issues there.

For that reason I shall block you and not read more of your posts because if I want to read Feminist arguments I have Jezzebel to go to.

I'm not sure I mentioned it as a Hindu problem either. Like I said, Indian tradition is not just Hindu. Feel free to re-read my posts. And yes, I appreciate you blocking me as my posts are likely not a good fit for you. And yes, consequently, I think you should feel free to read more Jezebel instead.

(05-28-2015 03:07 PM)Slim Shady Wrote:  

I doubt however that this issue will go away. Remember how difficult it is to convince the average guy [or even worse, a feminist] of red pill values? You really can not do it, no matter how many facts you throw at them.

The issue will not go away. I have yet to see a person on the forum with a high amount of rep points (with meetup reps) make abrasive and confrontational arguments. Confrontational posts generally come from trolls that cannot draw from experience. I have only to ask them some standard questions (e.g. how many approaches etc.) before the true colors come out.

I'll also say this. There is another issue on my mind regarding credibility and forum etiquette which was mentioned.

Message to newbies: Try to be a bit more polite to members that have been "vetted." You can disagree but try a bit harder to be polite. Otherwise, I suggest you meet more forum members and build that credibility before you choose to have a fired up argument with myself or someone like Slim Shady. You are inviting yourself to a ban.

It can certainly start with an admission that you were impolite (see my example above), but I presume you will be unsatisfied with that. As far as building up your reputation, I suggest you meet more members in your local tribal set up. Given the extreme behavior in this thread, I'm assuming forum moderators already have their eye on you. So I would say it is your chance to redeem yourselves.

Also to guys with some rep points and having met other forum members, I really would suggest being careful in how much you agree with un-vetted members on the forum that no one has met. You guys are way too valuable to be caught up in unsubstantiated arguments.

(05-28-2015 03:35 PM)Chick Magnet Wrote:  

But I'll tell you what...I went to a big state university and not once did I see a guy whip out his dick and masturbate to random passer-bys.

I couldn't help but quote this. Please don't take it the wrong way as you have previously to my posts. I see you keep focusing solely on this masturbation which at a macro level I think we have implicitly decided is irrelevant. But, given your focus, keep looking; and please carry an umberella to be safe lest it storm jizz all of a sudden from a lurking IRT.

[JWLZG]

It appears that she's relocating to my city.

This is her open Couchsurfing request.



We've seen the examples of 4's and 5's on CS getting inundated with hosting offers before they even need to bother with individual requests, a third of those complete with sexual conditions/offers.

Knowing my city, a good number of those will be from thirsty IRTs and their middle eastern counterparts.

[Going strong]

(04-28-2016 07:31 AM)JWLZG Wrote:  

It appears that she's relocating to my city.

This is her open Couchsurfing request.



We've seen the examples of 4's and 5's on CS getting inundated with hosting offers before they even need to bother with individual requests, a third of those complete with sexual conditions/offers.

Knowing my city, a good number of those will be from thirsty IRTs and their middle eastern counterparts.

What I find offending is, she asks for two weeks of free accommodation, and would refuse to give sex in exchange...!? So, what exactly does she offer in exchange? Her bubbling attention-whore entitled personality?

To paraphrase her: "thanks but no thanks"!

[EDantes]

Any guy who would publicly masturbate to that has -100 game.