[Simeon_Strangelight]

(03-03-2019 12:07 PM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  

I figure most nations don't have a drug problem. They have a growing ghetto-class problem and calling it a drug problem is a good way to isolate that ghetto-class as second class citizens that can be stomped at will.

I think when you have a serious ghetto-class problem then you need to deal with it as such, but for the elites they serve a valuable purpose.

Occasionally rarely you can have a drug problem in highly advanced nations. But this is just an effect of limp-wristed moronic politicians. I remember a time in Switzerland/Zurich in the 1990s - back when economics were pretty good and diversity was no issue. The cops and politicians let bored drugged up youths (really often youths) take over the entire city center around the main train station in Zurich. It took them around a decade for the people be so upset that more hard-balled measures were applied and the druggies were simply mobbed away. Some said that they just moved elsewhere and the problem was not gone. Sure, but who cares - it was just a few hundred people literally destroying a central place of a city that is quite tiny in the center. So fuck them - why should a couple hundred of bored youngsters and druggies push their dysfunction on the rest of us? Maybe the middle ages were not so wrong at executing 2-3% of the most dysfunctional and violent members of society.

Though it's true - compared to other countries with a real ghetto-problem those nations don't have a drug problem.

[CynicalContrarian]

Dr. Phil vs. Alex Jones :

[Fortis]

It mostly boils down to coming from a place where drugs decimated the upcoming black middle class. If it hadn't been for the drug game, I'm certain my city would be one of the best places for black businesses right now. Alas, what can we do other than not feed the beast?

[Barron]

(03-03-2019 08:02 PM)CynicalContrarian Wrote:  

Dr. Phil vs. Alex Jones :

Ah, so Joe Rogan brought on a fake doctor in order to patronize Alex Jones - I stopped watching JRE a while back, funny video though

"Nothing to see here folks, just some cooky white guy with mental issues. Look how much I care about him tho, I brought on a world famous "doctor" to try and help him out. Pay no attention to the statements he makes and don't waste your time fact checking him - that's only something conspiracy theorists do."

[Dr Mantis Toboggan]

(03-04-2019 08:24 AM)Barron Wrote:  

(03-03-2019 08:02 PM)CynicalContrarian Wrote:  

Dr. Phil vs. Alex Jones :

Ah, so Joe Rogan brought on a fake doctor in order to patronize Alex Jones - I stopped watching JRE a while back, funny video though

"Nothing to see here folks, just some cooky white guy with mental issues. Look how much I care about him tho, I brought on a world famous "doctor" to try and help him out. Pay no attention to the statements he makes and don't waste your time fact checking him - that's only something conspiracy theorists do."

Dr Phil was on a different show a week or so before Jones, the video is their interviews spliced together.

[Fortis]

The Alex Jones episode was fucking amazing. Holy shit. I really like AJ now.

[Ski pro]

(03-03-2019 03:11 PM)Ski pro Wrote:  

Been listening to the Alex Jones one today. Never really listened to Alex Jones before. High energy crazy mofo

Upon further listen, this occurred to me. What if we wake up one day and Alex Jones is right?

[debeguiled]

(03-04-2019 03:53 PM)Ski pro Wrote:  

(03-03-2019 03:11 PM)Ski pro Wrote:  

Been listening to the Alex Jones one today. Never really listened to Alex Jones before. High energy crazy mofo

Upon further listen, this occurred to me. What if we wake up one day and Alex Jones is right?

That was what made this interview so amazing. He would make a crazy claim and then Jamie would look it up and find validation from a mainstream source.

About 80% of his claims turned out to be instantly verifiable.

It was like Santa giving you a tour of his workshop and you thinking, why did I stop believing?

[Barron]

(03-04-2019 12:42 PM)Dr Mantis Toboggan Wrote:  

Dr Phil was on a different show a week or so before Jones, the video is their interviews spliced together.

Thanks, fake news got me

[Aurini]

(03-04-2019 03:53 PM)Ski pro Wrote:  

(03-03-2019 03:11 PM)Ski pro Wrote:  

Been listening to the Alex Jones one today. Never really listened to Alex Jones before. High energy crazy mofo

Upon further listen, this occurred to me. What if we wake up one day and Alex Jones is right?

Can you think of a single case where he's been wrong?

[No More Mr. Soy Boy]

(03-04-2019 05:03 PM)Aurini Wrote:  

Can you think of a single case where he's been wrong?

I don't know about you but I need more proof before I start to believe in nazis being in contact and being influenced by interdimensional demons and people in the government taking DMT to connect with the devil and shit.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interdimen...hypothesis

This is part of the irony with him.

He drops a lot of mindblowing shit that this Jamie guy (Rogan's assistant) can pull up different sources to and it can be confirmed to be true and he comes off as an intelligent self-thinker.
But then a short while later he starts talking about Nazis being in contact with aliens and shit like that and all the previous credibility he built up just completely vanish for people.

[Jaydublin]

I had no idea about Operation Northwoods and I actually used to follow the conspiracy scene a bit. I'll never have faith in our government again. There is no way one should believe 9/11 WASN'T an inside job in some way.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods

[Aurini]

That's kind of my point.

Every single 'crazy' claim he makes about gay frogs, or human/pig embryos, winds up getting proven true by a mainstream source. Then he mentions multi-dimensional aliens.

That's just another name for demons. Or the clockwork elves.

If he's been right about everything else, then maybe this is something worth looking into. Gird your loins if you do, however.

[CynicalContrarian]

^
Especially when "inter-dimensional beings" was not a common place notion for aliens at all, prior to 2008's Indiana Jones 4.
Only on the fringes of the internet.

I picked up on it as soon as I heard the phrase uttered in the cinema back in 2008.
Yet by & large, 'aliens' have always been thought to be 'extra-terrestrial' in pop-culture.

Now untold millions world wide have become familiar with the idea due to Alex Jones' two JRE appearances.

[Fortis]

Aurini is right. Honestly, after watching Alex Jones rant, I actually found that a lot of what he said is shit I already knew. He's hardly as crazy as people make him out to be.

I mean, the clockwork elves and hybrids taking over was outlandish but the gist of what he is saying makes sense.

There is a conspiracy aimed at undermining our values that is taking place.

It may not come from a centralized authority but it is a trend and we should be aware of it.

The most important part of the talk was when AJ says that there are only a few guys who aren't "paid for" at this point. As much as I don't really care much for his emotional pyrotechnics I don't think he deserves to be deplatformed.

[Bienvenuto]

(03-05-2019 04:24 AM)CynicalContrarian Wrote:  

^
Especially when "inter-dimensional beings" was not a common place notion for aliens at all, prior to 2008's Indiana Jones 4.
Only on the fringes of the internet.

I picked up on it as soon as I heard the phrase uttered in the cinema back in 2008.
Yet by & large, 'aliens' have always been thought to be 'extra-terrestrial' in pop-culture.

Now untold millions world wide have become familiar with the idea due to Alex Jones' two JRE appearances.

Interesting story from a Thai monk in the jungles of Northern Thailand during the 1930's.

"A STRANGE INCIDENT occurred while he was living among the Museur people deep in the mountains near Ikaw Village. A group of devas from Germany came to visit him. They wished to hear a discourse that would give them a ‘victory formula’. Focusing his citta on their request, an appropriate Dhamma verse arose: “akkodhena jine kodham.” It means conquer anger with lack of anger.

Acariya Mun asked how they knew where he was staying since, in human terms, they lived so far away. They replied that they always knew precisely where he was staying. More than that, devas from Thailand regularly visit the devas of Germany. In truth, devas don’t consider the distance between countries like Thailand and Germany to be very great, the way human beings do. They simply think of it as an area through which they can easily and naturally pass back and forth. Whereas humans travel by foot or by vehicle, devas transport themselves by means of a supernormal power that is equivalent to transferring consciousness to a particular destination – it arrives there instantly. So devas can move around much more easily than human beings."

Could of course be total hocus pocus BS.

Within the context of the story, if it had been true, then these devas/ beings from the realm of the gods would have been working against the aliens in contact with the Nazis.

Again, within the context of the story, they ended up winning.

[Simeon_Strangelight]

The problem with Alex Jones is as well as many other guys out there - once you start talking about totally unprovable issues, then you discredit the rest.

Where is your proof of Alien cooperation with the Nazis or even with current governments? You can allude to the scores and scores of sightings, even official reports that there is a shit-ton happening out there that we are not told about - but that is all. You don't go and claim with 100% certainty that this is happening. Tech of splicing human babies with animal DNA - sure - you can check that out yourself, you can even find patents, there is also a lot of technologies that are way advanced but is kept in secret. That is believable, but you don't go and blabber on about interdimensional Aliens, becuase that makes your reports about globalist think tanks working at the creation of a prison planet moot.

That is why I prefer to listen to guys like Alan Watt at cuttingthroughthematrix - he goes only into real-life credible issues. Even if there is Alien contact, so what? He even once said that big mainstream TV producers wanted to do well-paid documentaries with him, but they told him that he would have to talk not only about foundations, lodges, secret real-life cabals of bankers, but also of Aliens. Alan Watt quickly rebutted him that he did not have any credible information on those topics and the TV crew shelved the entire production. So they would only let Alan talk about the elite if he added Aliens to it.



To me this sounds as simple poisoning of the well of truth.

[Aurini]

I believe it was Ann Barnhardt (a Catholic blogger) who first pointed out the aberrant movement of UFOs.

First, she opined that there are too many credible reports to ignore the phenomenon. While there are certainly a large number of fake reports, or phenomenon that are later explained (Roswell was probably a spy satellite, the object over Arizona was probably just flares from a military exercise) I'm inclined to agree with her; there are a lot of unexplained phenomenon that aren't easy to write off.

Of these, what is striking is how the UFOs move. They'll accelerate in one direction, and then make a 90 degree turn without any change in velocity. This should be impossible with any 4 dimensional technology; no matter what's propelling you, the laws of kinematics still apply.

The only exception is for multidimensional creatures. If you're a 5D object entering 4D space - or, to visualize better, a 3D object entering a 2D plane - your sharp edges will create the illusion of moving in a non-kinematic manner.

Furthermore, the light-speed limit argues against beings from other planets visiting us in anything other than massive generation ships; the stunts that UFOs are pulling further suggest that they're an Earth-based phenomenon, not of extra terrestrial origin.

Multi-dimensional creatures seems the likeliest conclusion (if you accept that some of the reported phenomenon are real); that said, I'm not a fan of using the term 'alien' as Alex Jones does.

[debeguiled]

Fortis is the one who put his finger on the whole reason Joe Rogan invited Jones back to the podcast.

Rogan said it several times.

And it wasn't that he got this or that right.

Alex Jones is clearly a FUN hang.

[heavy]

(03-04-2019 07:41 PM)Jaydublin Wrote:  

I had no idea about Operation Northwoods and I actually used to follow the conspiracy scene a bit. I'll never have faith in our government again. There is no way one should believe 9/11 WASN'T an inside job in some way.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods

My thing with Operation Northwoods is that it wasn't implemented, so it's a lot less interesting to me. Still an interesting story, and one that gets attention of listeners, but there are things far more damaging.

It seems like there are better examples for why to not trust government than Operation Northwoods.

Things far more pernicious and less acute than plans never implemented to kill some citizens.

For instance, Roe v Wade or same sex marriage forced on states that didn't want it. How about that every government agency set up for temporary purpose never goes away, and actually grows instead.

For me, the distrust of the Federal government is far more nuanced.

Rogan always says about weed, or any other banned thing..."Why is it illegal? Why not make it legal? We can always regulate it like we do....blah blah blah."

No. Let's just get the Federal government's hands out of everything. Let states do what they want (without infringing individual rights). It's so gosh damn simple.

I know. Let's implement Obamacare unconstitutionally and fuck up the health care industry even more. Not sure if you guys know of part-time nurse / moms out there, but it completely fucked them all over with the enforced regulations for part time / full time status. Fucked up companies hiring nurses.

No one was saying the health care industry was perfect before Obamacare, but Obamacare basically weighed down an already bloated system (due to obvious concerns over 3rd party payer) even more.

It's amazing to me how people over-complicate Federal government issues. I bet in a half hour I can get my 10 year old niece to understand why it's not an efficient allocation of resources, using some Friedman principles and some narrative role-playing:

Quote:

“There are four ways in which you can spend money. You can spend your own money on yourself. When you do that, why then you really watch out what you’re doing, and you try to get the most for your money. Then you can spend your own money on somebody else. For example, I buy a birthday present for someone. Well, then I’m not so careful about the content of the present, but I’m very careful about the cost. Then, I can spend somebody else’s money on myself. And if I spend somebody else’s money on myself, then I’m sure going to have a good lunch! Finally, I can spend somebody else’s money on somebody else. And if I spend somebody else’s money on somebody else, I’m not concerned about how much it is, and I’m not concerned about what I get. And that’s government. And that’s close to 40% of our national income.”

There's two kinds of people: You either want to change the way other people behave, or you understand it will never work to change the way other people behave.

"But heavy, what about smoking? We've implemented smoking laws all over the country, spent hundreds of millions (billions?) on anti-smoking campaigns, and they've worked! The numbers and percentages of smokers has decreased dramatically!"

Me: "Yeah, of course people will use less of something if you artificially increase the price. That's basic macro-economics (an under-taught subject). Taxes, tariffs, laws, regulations, will all decrease the quantity demanded. And perhaps, in addition to the American public decreasing the quantity demanded according to the inflated prices, there has been a negative shift in the demand curve. This could be due to a number of factors, and perhaps our anti-smoking campaigns is one of those factors. That doesn't necessarily mean the the behavior of using a substance or unhealthy behavior to quell the anxiety has disappeared. That doesn't mean the public is better off. We know there are studies that show where we disallow smoking in bars, people drink more. We know we can chart pill popping increasing and the use of mood-altering medication increasing over the same decreasing tobacco use. While I'd never argue causality, can we at least admit that a lot of problems pop up when you start forcing people to behave or not behave a certain way?"

Sheesh. I could go on for days, but I'll end that rant.

Gather 'round kids, let me t̶e̶l̶l̶ ̶y̶o̶u̶ bore you with why I'm a libertarian-conservative.

[Sooth]

From what I gather, Alex Jones has a worldview that is loosely based on Christianity. He is constantly talking about god, hell, devils, satanists etc etc.

With his aliens / interdimensional beings routine he is describing the Christian view of spirits and angels (fallen or otherwise) without using overt Christian descriptions that immediately make people turn their noses up. Maybe hes doing it on purpose. Maybe he just doesn't know much scripture. Maybe he doesn't think of himself as a Christian. Who knows.

[budoslavic]

[url=https://www.twitter.com/joerogan/status/1103027763768745984][/url]

[Buddydowrongright2]

I would pay money to watch an Eddie Bravo/Alex Jones fight

[Aurini]

(03-05-2019 04:08 PM)Sooth Wrote:  

From what I gather, Alex Jones has a worldview that is loosely based on Christianity. He is constantly talking about god, hell, devils, satanists etc etc.

With his aliens / interdimensional beings routine he is describing the Christian view of spirits and angels (fallen or otherwise) without using overt Christian descriptions that immediately make people turn their noses up. Maybe hes doing it on purpose. Maybe he just doesn't know much scripture. Maybe he doesn't think of himself as a Christian. Who knows.

I'm pretty sure he's Protestant. Not to be mean, but the only theology they study is "Ways the Catholic Church is wrong, with citations from obscure 13th century sources nobody has heard of." Along with some justification-theology about why they're better than Hindus.

They don't really know anything about demons or the supernatural, because they kicked the supernatural out of their churches.

hrug:

Is what it is.

[JackinMelbourne]

For all you guys getting uppercut by the inter-dimensional aliens/elves stuff, I highly suggest reading some DMT trip reports from other people who have experienced similar mental activity. It sounds crazy, because it is, and also because it's not understood why the experiences are so common.

Here's a random report I plucked out:

https://www.dmt-nexus.me/forum/default.a...s&m=580899