[WanderingSoul]

(04-21-2015 09:30 PM)Brodiaga Wrote:  

(04-21-2015 09:22 PM)Adrenaline Wrote:  

In my opinion, I don't think anywhere would be better when you're 30+, including South East Asia.

I wouldn't be so sure. Guys in their 30s generally have more money and experience with girls. Experience helps quickly spot and screen out some (though not all) trash, like gold diggers, SIFs and time wasters. Money helps with logistics, style, etc. If you already have enough money and experience, more power to you. I did better in Asia in my early 30s than in my 20s thanks to these two factors.

Bangkok is better from your mid twenties on, up until 40, depending on how well put together you are. Most dudes won't do good in Bangkok regardless of their age. They'll fuck garbage and then talk about it online like they are an authority.

At 30 I'm much more desirable to girls in SEA than when I was 26. Most guys are better looking at 30 if they hit the gym than when they are mid twenties. That's good a good thing because it means the younger guys here only have better.things to look forward to in the future.

How long did you spend in Bangkok Adrenaline?

[Adrenaline]

(04-21-2015 11:01 PM)RioNomad Wrote:  

(04-21-2015 09:30 PM)Brodiaga Wrote:  

(04-21-2015 09:22 PM)Adrenaline Wrote:  

In my opinion, I don't think anywhere would be better when you're 30+, including South East Asia.

I wouldn't be so sure. Guys in their 30s generally have more money and experience with girls. Experience helps quickly spot and screen out some (though not all) trash, like gold diggers, SIFs and time wasters. Money helps with logistics, style, etc. If you already have enough money and experience, more power to you. I did better in Asia in my early 30s than in my 20s thanks to these two factors.

Bangkok is better from your mid twenties on, up until 40, depending on how well put together you are. Most dudes won't do good in Bangkok regardless of their age. They'll fuck garbage and then talk about it online like they are an authority.

At 30 I'm much more desirable to girls in SEA than when I was 26. Most guys are better looking at 30 if they hit the gym than when they are mid twenties. That's good a good thing because it means the younger guys here only have better.things to look forward to in the future.

How long did you spend in Bangkok Adrenaline?

Only a couple of weeks in actual Bangkok. I hear what you're saying about guys getting with garbage and hyping themselves up, but my experience wasn't like this. I like to think I have pretty high standards and never went for hookers or Isaan girls. All I'm saying is the attention you get for being a young, good looking guy there is unbeatable.

[Felix 5000]

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[WanderingSoul]

(04-22-2015 03:58 AM)JamesRodri Wrote:  

(04-21-2015 11:47 PM)Adrenaline Wrote:  

I have pretty high standards and never went for hookers or Isaan girls.

Then you must be a magician. Majority of Bangkokians hail from there ;-) And if they didn't directly migrate themselves, their parents did.

But this is off points. I was just trying to give people advice. If you guys are gonna write of the most populous part of the country with the hottest girls, coz you think the people there are low class, that's obviously your choice to make. You're really missing out though.

When I talk about Isaan girls, I mean the stereotypical short, dark, wide nosed Isaan girl. Udon Thani, Khon Kaen, Korat, etc. produce tons of very hot girls that don't look like what I'm referring to. I love the Udon Thani airport. The Air Asia and Nok Air girls there are great.

[Felix 5000]

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[zatara]

(04-21-2015 01:15 PM)Enigma Wrote:  

I haven't, because I'm too busy hitting up EDM festivals on less-touristed beaches in the Philippines, where the alcohol is (significantly) cheaper, the ratios are better, and they're not filled with obnoxious Western women and drunk "bros". How many 50-year-old white guys do you think are at these three day beach parties sleeping in tent cities?

Again, almost every country has events and scenes that cater to young people having fun. I'm not saying don't party with young people, I'm saying you don't have to run down a check list of all these events that are now so popular that they're oversaturated with annoying tourists and thirsty dudes. If you want to do that, great, but this idea that you "should" go to x place at x age is not only boring as hell, it guarantees you're going to be surrounded by every Joe Schmo who had the same bright idea you did.

That's what I'm talking about when I say "The Lonely Planet experience", and that's why if you look in almost any thread on this forum about Mexico, Thailand, etc., guys tend to steer clear of those "popular" parties.

There are plenty of opportunities to get drunk, wild, and have fun all over, particularly in the Americas and Europe.

I think you're trying a bit too hard to 'fight the power' here - and rage against the evils of mainstream events. Obviously if the OP has no interest in events like Spring Break or the Full Moon Party or backpacking in Europe he shouldn't do them. But what a lot of people are saying in this thread is that if he DOES have an interest in doing these things, then he should prioritize doing them while hes in his early 20s - and leave the city breaks to NYC, Moscow, the extended month long stay in Budapest etc etc till hes older.

(04-21-2015 09:22 PM)Adrenaline Wrote:  

Some very interesting thoughts here and a lot to take in- some suggestions I never even considered. For example, I've never had the urge to go to spring break. I'm guessing that it's very similar to schoolies for those aware on Australian culture?

Also, the general vibe of this thread is that South America, and in particular Brazil, is best done in the 20's? That surprises me, because I always considered it on the same level as Eastern Europe.

I absolutely loved Spring Break both times when I went. When I did Cancun: it was 7 nights of unlimited alcohol nights (most pool parties & nightclubs are $40-ish in, then open bar). It was glorious sunshine and beautiful beaches, just a perfect 25C/80F every day. And most importantly it was full of 20 year old American girls in bikinis. And the whole 'SPRING BREAK WOO!!' mental attitude was fantastic, girls just seemed really really slutty down there. There's nothing like chatting up a girl in a bikini at a free booze swim up pool bar, then retiring to her room a few hundred metres away within 30min of meeting her...

The negative side to it (there are quite a few threads on it on the forum actually - have a search if you do start considering it seriously) is largely down to the sometimes horrible ratios. During the day at pool parties it can be 60/40 men/women. But by 1am in a nightclub you could be looking at 90/10 men/women. So you just have to learn to get your game on EARLY. It's also a very, very physically competitive game environment. If you're not in great shape (and good with high energy club game) you'll completely crash and burn - thats another reason a lot of guys hate it.

The same positives & negatives also apply pretty much identically to the Greek Islands & the Full Moon Party in my experience. These kind of holidays are very much either love/hate - depending on what sort of personality (and body) you have.

Re: Brasil (or South America), I think the advice to do it in your 20s is so you can do it backpacking, if you desire to do it that way. When you're backpacking you have the option of hitting on the other slutty backpackers in your hostel, as well as on locals in bars. And you're also able to make friends with other backpacker dudes, if you're traveling by yourself. Bear in mind too lots of young Brasilians stay in hostels when visiting other parts of the country - you won't just be banging Australians!

I think my personal ideal for Brasil would be to do it once while in early 20s, doing the whole younger/backpacker scene. Then do it again in early 30s when you're more established (and have money) and do the baller AirBNB + nice clubs kinda thing. Time/money/life permitting of course! I've yet to manage to the second half of that, mind you...

[WanderingSoul]

Just met a 24 year old guy who has worked as a dive instructor in Greece and now Philippines. That'd be an awesome thing to do as a younger guy. Not much money but you could work on building an online business at the same time, or learn the dive business well enough and make connections to do it on your own.

He said in Greece he picked up nearly all the Scandinavian flags and also some others like Hungary. Took clients out partying and met a bunch of well off people.

I can imagine quite a few of these near retirement age guys would be very interested in opening their own dive resort in a foreign country and would need someone with the expertise to be a co-owner/operator.

[Adrenaline]

(04-22-2015 11:25 AM)zatara Wrote:  

(04-21-2015 01:15 PM)Enigma Wrote:  

I haven't, because I'm too busy hitting up EDM festivals on less-touristed beaches in the Philippines, where the alcohol is (significantly) cheaper, the ratios are better, and they're not filled with obnoxious Western women and drunk "bros". How many 50-year-old white guys do you think are at these three day beach parties sleeping in tent cities?

Again, almost every country has events and scenes that cater to young people having fun. I'm not saying don't party with young people, I'm saying you don't have to run down a check list of all these events that are now so popular that they're oversaturated with annoying tourists and thirsty dudes. If you want to do that, great, but this idea that you "should" go to x place at x age is not only boring as hell, it guarantees you're going to be surrounded by every Joe Schmo who had the same bright idea you did.

That's what I'm talking about when I say "The Lonely Planet experience", and that's why if you look in almost any thread on this forum about Mexico, Thailand, etc., guys tend to steer clear of those "popular" parties.

There are plenty of opportunities to get drunk, wild, and have fun all over, particularly in the Americas and Europe.

I think you're trying a bit too hard to 'fight the power' here - and rage against the evils of mainstream events. Obviously if the OP has no interest in events like Spring Break or the Full Moon Party or backpacking in Europe he shouldn't do them. But what a lot of people are saying in this thread is that if he DOES have an interest in doing these things, then he should prioritize doing them while hes in his early 20s - and leave the city breaks to NYC, Moscow, the extended month long stay in Budapest etc etc till hes older.

(04-21-2015 09:22 PM)Adrenaline Wrote:  

Some very interesting thoughts here and a lot to take in- some suggestions I never even considered. For example, I've never had the urge to go to spring break. I'm guessing that it's very similar to schoolies for those aware on Australian culture?

Also, the general vibe of this thread is that South America, and in particular Brazil, is best done in the 20's? That surprises me, because I always considered it on the same level as Eastern Europe.

I absolutely loved Spring Break both times when I went. When I did Cancun: it was 7 nights of unlimited alcohol nights (most pool parties & nightclubs are $40-ish in, then open bar). It was glorious sunshine and beautiful beaches, just a perfect 25C/80F every day. And most importantly it was full of 20 year old American girls in bikinis. And the whole 'SPRING BREAK WOO!!' mental attitude was fantastic, girls just seemed really really slutty down there. There's nothing like chatting up a girl in a bikini at a free booze swim up pool bar, then retiring to her room a few hundred metres away within 30min of meeting her...

The negative side to it (there are quite a few threads on it on the forum actually - have a search if you do start considering it seriously) is largely down to the sometimes horrible ratios. During the day at pool parties it can be 60/40 men/women. But by 1am in a nightclub you could be looking at 90/10 men/women. So you just have to learn to get your game on EARLY. It's also a very, very physically competitive game environment. If you're not in great shape (and good with high energy club game) you'll completely crash and burn - thats another reason a lot of guys hate it.

The same positives & negatives also apply pretty much identically to the Greek Islands & the Full Moon Party in my experience. These kind of holidays are very much either love/hate - depending on what sort of personality (and body) you have.

Re: Brasil (or South America), I think the advice to do it in your 20s is so you can do it backpacking, if you desire to do it that way. When you're backpacking you have the option of hitting on the other slutty backpackers in your hostel, as well as on locals in bars. And you're also able to make friends with other backpacker dudes, if you're traveling by yourself. Bear in mind too lots of young Brasilians stay in hostels when visiting other parts of the country - you won't just be banging Australians!

I think my personal ideal for Brasil would be to do it once while in early 20s, doing the whole younger/backpacker scene. Then do it again in early 30s when you're more established (and have money) and do the baller AirBNB + nice clubs kinda thing. Time/money/life permitting of course! I've yet to manage to the second half of that, mind you...

Yep, definitely in my element in scenes like Spring break, Greek Islands and Full Moon Party because I have a high energy club game that transfers well to these environments. The trick is to have a few drinks, hit the floor solo and pretty much just have a good time without having your mind on pussy the whole night. It's also easier if the floor has a stage of some kind because you won't look out of place dancing up there side by side with a bunch of other people, and it gives you a great view of the talent around, and them a great view of you! This approach sets me apart from most other guys there who hang in packs of friends, or are to afraid to dance and usually guarantees a few girls making moves by the end of the night. Only limitation is you do have to be decent looking to pull it off.

Having said that, I would prefer not to compete with a bunch of aggressive, jacked meat-heads (usually the guys standing around in packs) who these types of events tend to attract and as you mentioned, the ratios are likely to be terrible.

Would love to hit Brazil, but it's just about the longest/most expensive flight you can take from Australia and is a lot more expensive than it has any right to be!

Question for anybody who has experience with the hostel scene in Europe, or anywhere really- are the mixed dorms usually cockfests, or is there any chance of being bunked with attractive women? I just can't imagine any attractive woman choosing the mixed dorm option when they have the option of a female only dorm...

[Enigma]

(04-22-2015 11:25 AM)zatara Wrote:  

I think you're trying a bit too hard to 'fight the power' here - and rage against the evils of mainstream events. Obviously if the OP has no interest in events like Spring Break or the Full Moon Party or backpacking in Europe he shouldn't do them.

Directly from the post you JUST quoted:

"If you want to do that, great, but this idea that you "should" go to x place at x age is not only boring as hell, it guarantees you're going to be surrounded by every Joe Schmo who had the same bright idea you did."

Also funny that you say I'm "raging against the evils of mainstream events", then later in your post talk about how horrible the ratios are.

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But what a lot of people are saying in this thread is that if he DOES have an interest in doing these things, then he should prioritize doing them while hes in his early 20s - and leave the city breaks to NYC, Moscow, the extended month long stay in Budapest etc etc till hes older.

Also from the post you quoted:

"Again, almost every country has events and scenes that cater to young people having fun. I'm not saying don't party with young people, I'm saying you don't have to run down a check list of all these events that are now so popular that they're oversaturated with annoying tourists and thirsty dudes."

As for me "trying too hard", which is more biased:

- You claiming that the events you went to in your early-20s are better than a bunch of ones you didn't go to

- Or me saying there's unique opportunities for an early-20s guy all over the world

???

I've never said anything derogatory about those events, other than them having horrible ratios, being very mainstream, and being filled with Westerners, all of which are true. You've admitted as much.

Yet you act like I'm insulting your sister for laying out basic facts.

And if you think there aren't any kick ass parties in NYC or you'll have the same experience in Budapest at 33 as you would at 23, you're delusional.

Yes, there are plenty of places where you can still bang girls in your 30s or 40s, but you are not going to have the same interactions with young people. Young people tend to party and have fun and make friends with people their own age, regardless of where you are. That is a basic fact of life. It doesn't matter if you're in Cancun or Colombia or Thailand or Japan.

[zatara]

(04-23-2015 07:17 AM)Enigma Wrote:  

Also funny that you say I'm "raging against the evils of mainstream events", then later in your post talk about how horrible the ratios are.

As for me "trying too hard", which is more biased:

- You claiming that the events you went to in your early-20s are better than a bunch of ones you didn't go to
- Or me saying there's unique opportunities for an early-20s guy all over the world

???

I've never said anything derogatory about those events, other than them having horrible ratios, being very mainstream, and being filled with Westerners, all of which are true. You've admitted as much.

Yet you act like I'm insulting your sister for laying out basic facts.

And if you think there aren't any kick ass parties in NYC or you'll have the same experience in Budapest at 33 as you would at 23, you're delusional.

Yes, there are plenty of places where you can still bang girls in your 30s or 40s, but you are not going to have the same interactions with young people. Young people tend to party and have fun and make friends with people their own age, regardless of where you are. That is a basic fact of life. It doesn't matter if you're in Cancun or Colombia or Thailand or Japan.

The OP asked about Spring Break, so I gave my thoughts on it - having actually been to it personally. I felt my personal experiences of it could add value to the thread.

You may need to re-read my posts - I haven't claimed a single event is better than any another. You were the one who did that, claiming your Filipino EDM events were better than 'mainstream events' - and desperately qualifying this with talk of too many westerners, alcohol prices etc.

And with NYC/Budapest, you're creating a strawman to attack. Nowhere in this thread did anyone say NYC wasn't great fun. Where are you getting that?

Originally your argument was that prioritizing going to certain events while young was wrong, as it was practicing a 'scarcity mindset'. Then it jumped to going to certain events (FMP, Spring Break etc) was wrong, because they're 'mainstream'. And now you seem to be bouncing all over the place - and half agreeing that some places are better at a young age, while creating strawman arguments to attack positions nobody has taken in the thread.

The core question the OP asked was "is it worthwhile prioritizing certain holidays over others while in your early 20s"...which most of the replies seem to have answered in the affirmative to, with suggestive examples of some holidays he may wish to consider. You seem to be dissenting aggressively against both of these points, though. Its an Enigma to me as to why.

[Enigma]

(04-23-2015 08:54 AM)zatara Wrote:  

The OP asked about Spring Break, so I gave my thoughts on it - having actually been to it personally. I felt my personal experiences of it could add value to the thread.

You may need to re-read my posts - I haven't claimed a single event is better than any another. You were the one who did that, claiming your Filipino EDM events were better than 'mainstream events' - and desperately qualifying this with talk of too many westerners, alcohol prices etc.

Where did I say that? You asked if I had attended those events, and I said no because I'm off in another country attending similar events.

I'm still in my mid-20s. Thailand is a few hours away from where I live. If I wanted to go, I would just get on a plane.

I said that to prove the point that there are places to party with young people all over the world, which is quite clear if you read the comment in context. And yes, those places are going to be cheaper with less tourists/men, which even you yourself have admitted. Does that make them superior? Well, that's up for people to decide on their own.

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And with NYC/Budapest, you're creating a strawman to attack. Nowhere in this thread did anyone say NYC wasn't great fun. Where are you getting that?

A strawman?

You:

"But what a lot of people are saying in this thread is that if he DOES have an interest in doing these things, then he should prioritize doing them while hes in his early 20s - and leave the city breaks to NYC, Moscow, the extended month long stay in Budapest etc etc till hes older."

My reply:

"And if you think there aren't any kick ass parties in NYC or you'll have the same experience in Budapest at 33 as you would at 23, you're delusional.

Yes, there are plenty of places where you can still bang girls in your 30s or 40s, but you are not going to have the same interactions with young people. Young people tend to party and have fun and make friends with people their own age, regardless of where you are."

You said that NYC and Budapest could wait until he's older, and I countered by saying it will be different when he's older and there are fun things to do there also.

You made an argument and I disagreed. How is that a strawman?

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Originally your argument was that prioritizing going to certain events while young was wrong, as it was practicing a 'scarcity mindset'. Then it jumped to going to certain events (FMP, Spring Break etc) was wrong, because they're 'mainstream'. And now you seem to be bouncing all over the place - and half agreeing that some places are better at a young age, while creating strawman arguments to attack positions nobody has taken in the thread.

Again, where did I say that?

"Second, it's such a scarcity based mindset. No matter how much pussy you can get in country A, you're worried that you're missing out on the pussy in country B. There's always this hidden panacea of pussy just around the corner."

I didn't even use scarcity mindset in regards to what you're talking about. But it can still apply, since you're arguing that someone is missing out by partying in one country instead of another. It has nothing to do with age though, which is why I never said it did.

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The core question the OP asked was "is it worthwhile prioritizing certain holidays over others while in your early 20s"...which most of the replies seem to have answered in the affirmative to, with suggestive examples of some holidays he may wish to consider. You seem to be dissenting aggressively against both of these points, though. Its an Enigma to me as to why.

Just stop it, bro. My original reply didn't even mention age.

What's confusing is that you keep trying to put words in my mouth to make your point. It's getting a little ridiculous. Feel free to have this conversation without me.

[zatara]

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Where did I say that? You asked if I had attended those events, and I said no because I'm off in another country attending similar events.

I'm still in my mid-20s. Thailand is a few hours away from where I live. If I wanted to go, I would just get on a plane.

I said that to prove the point that there are places to party with young people all over the world, which is quite clear if you read the comment in context. And yes, those places are going to be cheaper with less tourists/men, which even you yourself have admitted. Does that make them superior? Well, that's up for people to decide on their own.

You wouldn't agree that quotes such as "Not everyone is interested in the Lonely Planet travel experience" and "because I'm too busy hitting up EDM festivals on less-touristed beaches in the Philippines, where the alcohol is (significantly) cheaper, the ratios are better, and they're not filled with obnoxious Western women and drunk "bros" could be taken as negative commentary?

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You said that NYC and Budapest could wait until he's older, and I countered by saying it will be different when he's older and there are fun things to do there also.

You made an argument and I disagreed. How is that a strawman?

Your point was a strawman because your direct quote is "And if you think there aren't any kick ass parties in NYC" - attacking the point that there are no parties in NYC. When nobody had made that point - the very definition of a strawman.

I'm in absolute agreement with you that a lot of cities would be better at 24 than 34 (Budapest, for one, to run with that example). However, Budapest at 34 will still be possible to have a very good time in. Spring Break largely wouldn't be. Hence my point that the youth 'beach party' holidays would be better prioritised in someones early 20s than the city breaks, if someone is interested in both and has to choose.

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I didn't even use scarcity mindset in regards to what you're talking about. But it can still apply, since you're arguing that someone is missing out by partying in one country instead of another. It has nothing to do with age though, which is why I never said it did.

Just stop it, bro. My original reply didn't even mention age.

What's confusing is that you keep trying to put words in my mouth to make your point. It's getting a little ridiculous. Feel free to have this conversation without me.

"These argument are mostly just mental masturbation."
"Second, it's such a scarcity based mindset. No matter how much pussy you can get in country A, you're worried that you're missing out on the pussy in country B."
"If you have your shit together, like I already mentioned, how many people are going to be able to tell if you're 28 or 24? If you're a cool guy and can hold your own, no one is even going to notice. It's not like your ID is taped to your forehead."

Like I said - the OP's original question was "is it worthwhile prioritizing certain holidays over others while in your early 20s"...which you seem to be saying 'No' to. We seem to be wrapped in an quotefest of an argument over the details though, which isn't helping the OP/thread too much. It might be better for the thread if we can agree to sum it up as that I think certain 'youth' holidays should be prioritized in your 20s, if they appeal to the OP, and that you do not. Hopefully our debate will have shown the OP two different points of view (explained at length) at least!

[mastauser]

Beach party scene southern Europe in the summer.

Study abroad programs.

[Adrenaline]

For those of you saying hit up your typical beach party destinations in the summer- Greek Islands, Sunny Beach, Ibiza etc, what about the competition? It must be flooded with tall, in shape, good looking guys from all over the world who take all the quality, especially when these guys are in groups and have the advantage over a solo traveler. So would it be wise to compete in that sort of environment alone? Even though I'm told on a regular basis that I'm a good looking guy, seems kind of counter-productive and more of a contest than fun. Nothing worst than being surrounded by sweaty 6'3-6'4 buff dudes when you're only 5'11.

That's one of the best aspects of Thailand for me- the big fish in small pond effect. So I guess what I'm asking is, are woman easy to pick up at these destinations (and are they even fun) if you're solo and not as physically intimidating?

[Chauncey]

Just reading through this thread now, lots of good info and entertaining cat fights.

As a guy in his mid 30's I would recommend prioritizing the crazy party spots (Vegas, US Spring Break, Full Moon Party, etc) in your early to mid twenties. I had a great time at some of those in my younger days but just looking at pics of the FMP now makes me want to eat a bullet. Maybe it is a sign of my old age but the Colombia thread and the EE threads sound much more my speed these days. I am not trying to knock the party scenes, in fact I wish I had done the hostels, Greek islands, and Thailand when I was early 20s rather than locking myself down in relationships. Thanks Roosh for taking your sweet ass time writing your books and starting this forum.


How old is too old to run hostel game?

ETA: After browsing through a few more pics of the FMP that shit looks like a blast provided I had some quality narcotics, hallucinogens, and cialis.

[worldtraveler3]

I think a lot of good posts here, but contrary to everyone's party spot recommendations:

I would say focus on your career in your youth. (bang the 5s and 6s in the West as a side hobby obviously, don't spend all your yearly savings on an IBIZA trip)

Later on in your 30s, when you are more established, hit Colombia, Brazil, Thailand, and PH.

Plenty of pussies for everyone there. Or if you fancy settle down abit, get a trophy LTR from EE.

[Dan Woolf]

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[lavidaloca]

(06-17-2015 03:04 AM)worldtraveler3 Wrote:  

I think a lot of good posts here, but contrary to everyone's party spot recommendations:

I would say focus on your career in your youth. (bang the 5s and 6s in the West as a side hobby obviously, don't spend all your yearly savings on an IBIZA trip)

Later on in your 30s, when you are more established, hit Colombia, Brazil, Thailand, and PH.

Plenty of pussies for everyone there. Or if you fancy settle down abit, get a trophy LTR from EE.

This is a tough one because the unfortunate reality is that 90%+ of people in Developed countries are never going to be high income earners or atleast with any consistency.

I don't really think a guy in his 20's will likely have the income to thoroughly enjoy places like Colombia and Brazil unless they are staying in hostels. I know as a mid-20's guy with a high income relative to my age...I wouldn't even consider going to some of these places at the moment simply due to cost. Spending 3-5k in a 7-10 day vacation would simply be to much spent that I could invest.

I'd choose destinations that are relatively cheap in your 20s.

I'd probably do a semester studying in Europe if I could go back in time. Maybe spend a summer backpacking Asia and a summer backpacking South America. But really if you want to do that you should be working during school and / or have parents paying for your trip and / or school.

Don't let age get to you that much. There will always be somewhere where you can date a young girl who is 8+ as long as you provide some sort of value beyond what locals can. I.e. you have a superior income, or looks or status. Typically the easiest way to do this is via income as many places the average income is so low that minimum wage workers in North America can be amongst the 1% income wise.

I agree with worldwidetravel is assumption that you should priortize career in your youth but I see it as more you should priortize investing in your youth. A higher paying career makes this easier, living at home makes it easier, not drinking when going out makes it easier, packing a lunch makes it easier, using transit as opposed to having a car makes it easier.

The problem is a high paying career early typically leads to high spending which means the guy making 150k isn't really getting much if any ahead of the guy making 40k. I see it from my friends who are a year or two out of school and buying german cars.

My friend who has saved a lot for his age is a guy who never went to college or university, has never made more than 45k gross yet has more than 200k saved up in his mid 20s. If he desired to he'd be well on his way to early financial independence.

It wouldn't be all that unusual for a 22 year old college graduate to have 500k in investments at 32 if they did a good job of filtering bad spending. Depending on their own personal situation that may be enough for them to move and live abroad. I have friends who became engineers, bankers etc. who were able to live at home for 3-5 years after school and save 150k or more. I admire them far more than my friends who I see with pictures of them popping grey goose or Dom Perignon, with their own $1,500-$3000 / month apartment while getting laid with 0-10 new girls per year.

Cut the low-value expenditures out and you should be able to set yourself up even if you never end up with a great paying job. (Assuming you make 50k or so a year which shouldn't be all that tough as there are a lot of jobs which pay that amount)

[worldtraveler3]

The problem with a lot of youth jobs nowadays is that the 'potential' is not big.

If you see a job that is currently paying with say 50k, but with steady progression path (without getting burned out) towards earning 150k a year in the foreseeable future in your 30s, that would set you up nicely a comfy lifestyle then. Definitely live a cheap lifestyle in your 20s.

[Pokerbaby]

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Question for anybody who has experience with the hostel scene in Europe, or anywhere really- are the mixed dorms usually cockfests, or is there any chance of being bunked with attractive women? I just can't imagine any attractive woman choosing the mixed dorm option when they have the option of a female only dorm...

Well you are completely wrong fortunately Not only is there a "chance" of bunking with attractive women, it's almost a certainty.

I don't stay at hostels too often anymore these days. But when I did, the hostels were absolutely loaded with talent.

I am a light sleeper so when a door opens or a light flashes, I wake up. I have seen many free strip shows from some cute women by staying in hostels.

A lot of hostels don't even have female only dorms. It's lost business when you can't fill up a dorm. Also, I think hot girls still want to be gamed at hostels and meet guys. The girls from scandanavia and western europe generally don't even give a shit about guys due to the egalitarian society.

[Pokerbaby]

Can someone enlighten me as to what's so great about Ibiza or a spring break party?

I understand, cheap alcohol and an all night party. But this is very common everywhere once you leave the Anglosphere.

A little late, but to answer the OP's question. I would totally live in Eastern Europe or a FSU country at 25. Foreigners are relatively rare there and young good looking foreigners with game? Super rare. With just a little bit of effort, you can land some very high quality girls.

[JVieira]

(06-27-2015 05:20 PM)Pokerbaby Wrote:  

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Question for anybody who has experience with the hostel scene in Europe, or anywhere really- are the mixed dorms usually cockfests, or is there any chance of being bunked with attractive women? I just can't imagine any attractive woman choosing the mixed dorm option when they have the option of a female only dorm...

Well you are completely wrong fortunately Not only is there a "chance" of bunking with attractive women, it's almost a certainty.

I don't stay at hostels too often anymore these days. But when I did, the hostels were absolutely loaded with talent.

I am a light sleeper so when a door opens or a light flashes, I wake up. I have seen many free strip shows from some cute women by staying in hostels.

A lot of hostels don't even have female only dorms. It's lost business when you can't fill up a dorm. Also, I think hot girls still want to be gamed at hostels and meet guys. The girls from scandanavia and western europe generally don't even give a shit about guys due to the egalitarian society.

During your time traveling in hostels in Europe, in what countries were most mixed dorms full of decently attractive women? I'm splitting my into hostels in smaller towns and cities and some airbnb's in larger cities and am wondering if that is a good call?

To partially answer your question about Ibiza, I would say that what makes it "special" is that everyone comes there for the same reason to get fucked up and party. Ibiza is also fascinating because it has something for everyone in the sense that their can extremely high end clubs filled with models next to clubs more geared towards lower budget tourists. Obviously this is true of any city but the proximity of them in Ibiza is interesting.

[Pokerbaby]

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During your time traveling in hostels in Europe, in what countries were most mixed dorms full of decently attractive women? I'm splitting my into hostels in smaller towns and cities and some airbnb's in larger cities and am wondering if that is a good call?

To partially answer your question about Ibiza, I would say that what makes it "special" is that everyone comes there for the same reason to get fucked up and party. Ibiza is also fascinating because it has something for everyone in the sense that their can extremely high end clubs filled with models next to clubs more geared towards lower budget tourists. Obviously this is true of any city but the proximity of them in Ibiza is interesting.

There really isn't any country that attracts them. It just seems to be a random thing. I've dormed with hot girls in Stockholm, Amsterdam, Barcelona and Berlin. In Stockholm, the room had 3 creepy older guys, a couple of young Chinese guys and a smoking hot 9 blonde from the Netherlands.

All I can say about what Hostel to choose when it comes to women is to avoid hostels that seem too intent on attracting British and American tourists. You can tell these types from names like "The Flying Pig" or "The Irish Inn". Generally the best hostels are a bit out of the way and have simple names. They seem more likely to attract the Dutch, Swedish, German etc girls which are way better for sharing rooms than British for obvious reasons.

[Espresso]

(06-27-2015 05:25 PM)Pokerbaby Wrote:  

Can someone enlighten me as to what's so great about Ibiza or a spring break party?

I understand, cheap alcohol and an all night party. But this is very common everywhere once you leave the Anglosphere.

The difference with Ibiza (say San Antonio West End) is that you have party streets with people spilling out and bar hopping between all the bars and clubs all next to each other. Combined with a party away-from-home atmosphere, with most people on a short vacation. This goes on every night including weekdays (in season) until very late, and in addition you also have day bars if you can wake up while the sun is still up.

[zatara]

(06-28-2015 06:26 AM)Espresso Wrote:  

(06-27-2015 05:25 PM)Pokerbaby Wrote:  

Can someone enlighten me as to what's so great about Ibiza or a spring break party?

I understand, cheap alcohol and an all night party. But this is very common everywhere once you leave the Anglosphere.

The difference with Ibiza (say San Antonio West End) is that you have party streets with people spilling out and bar hopping between all the bars and clubs all next to each other. Combined with a party away-from-home atmosphere, with most people on a short vacation. This goes on every night including weekdays (in season) until very late, and in addition you also have day bars if you can wake up while the sun is still up.

San Antonio in Ibiza is actually relatively generic. Cheap pints, tourists and strips of bars like that are found in resorts all over the Mediterranean - Kavos, Magaluf, Ayia Napa etc. Ibiza (and more specifically the Ibiza Town / Playa den Bossa side of the island) is unique because it has the best nightclubs in the world, with the best sound systems in the world, and the best DJs in the world. If you're into electronic music at all it's the world headquarters for it, and is somewhere you have to experience.

I found Spring Break unique because its a concentration of hammered 18-22 year old American girls, all with the "what happens on Spring Break" slutty mentality. There's also very few non-Americans. Which is fantastic for a non-American, as its very easy to clean up if you're good at high energy club game. I'm also quite partial to hitting on girls (and hooking up with them!) at pool parties. Its just so much more primal hitting on girls from the outset when you're both half naked. Spring Break is the only place in the world I've gone from opening a girl to fucking her within 20 minutes multiple times in close succession. Its absolutely fantastic if you're young and in good shape.