[Pride male]

The more you spend, the dryer the pussy.

[Roosh]

Zelcorpian: don't post inline nsfw images. You can link to them instead.

[pitt]

(04-20-2015 08:41 AM)Aliblahba Wrote:  

It seems almost taboo on the forum to use money instead of game. But my definition of game is using any and every means you have in your arsenal. Don't get mad over guys with bankrolls. Step up your career and join the club. I used to get frustrated in SoCal when dudes would roll up in a new $50k car. Chicks would gravitate towards them. Instead of getting bitter I stepped it up and bought a Harley. Not to get laid, but the residual pussy that came from it was phenomenal. It basically did most of the work, so instead of spending all night approaching, I could sit, relax, enjoy a beer, and converse with my mates. Those are the memories I cherish, not pulling a random ditzy bar ho that I could never remember her name.

THIS

Hooligan harry also said, but what are you guys goals, to get laid or to be pressing buttons, neg, make sure she is attracted to your game and then get laid?

My goal is to get laid, period. Some bitches will like me for my looks, some for my game, some for my money, I am ok with all of that, I just want to get laid and keep on moving.

I never heard a rich guy saying game trumps money, only guys without money tend to think that. If this was so true, many of these famous aka rich sluts would be dating broke dudes.

[Simeon_Strangelight]

(04-22-2015 09:49 AM)Roosh Wrote:  

Zelcorpian: don't post inline nsfw images. You can link to them instead.

LINUX asked me to delete them when he deletes his, but I can do that now. They are from his Colombia thread.

[Pride male]

There are playboys, then there are payboys.

[worldwidetraveler]

(04-22-2015 07:25 AM)TravelerKai Wrote:  

When you say many guys without specifically giving any examples that could mean almost anyone in the travel subforum. That's a serious assertion to make about the members here without anything to back that up. I think I can count on one hand the number of dudes I have seen posting that they p4p and are honest about it. Unless you have proof others are going abroad to p4p or sponsor hoes, you should not say stuff like that.

You are basically taking shots at guys who travel, as using their money exclusively to get pussy. You got dudes staying in hostels traveling light like backpackers dropping datasheets and intel on dates, bangs, or perhaps grey area stuff like shoring. You must not read enough travel reports. Many guys here hate the ROI on game effort of the US or West, want something more exotic, want to date feminine women, explore fish and hike, want alot of bangs or notches, or want traditional wife material.

Again, the last two dudes shamelessly doing the opposite are no longer posters here. You cannot call people out like that, call them fools, and seriously expect no one to jerk your chain on it. You do not need to read my posts, that's for those that might need another excuse to put yours on the ignore list.

I don't think he meant it that way. I do think there is a economical advantage for us western guys when we walk off the plane in some of these countries.

We may not splash money around, but you have to admit we are automatically viewed as well off by the average local. Most of us do not live like a local. In those instances, we are paying more. Better apartment, better food, etc... Of course it's because we don't want to live like a local, not for the women themselves.

I think some of the guys (not you TK) are missing the point in many of these threads.

I mean the don't spend money on women guys who view this in black and white terms.

If you want to buy a nice dinner, and enjoy the company of a woman, it isn't a problem for you to invite that woman with you. You are doing it for yourself, not to impress some woman.

If a woman entertains me in the bar, I have no problem buying her a drink. Again, it is about my entertainment.

If I want to go on a vacation and relax, I don't have a problem bringing a woman with me. If I want to relax, I am not interested in trying to get flags or notches, I just want to relax.

[Simeon_Strangelight]

WSP are alright - they differ slightly on some viewpoints focusing more on cash, but they are valid and their basic assumption with it was that you already had medium-level Game - able to approach girls and hold conversation.

But here someone commented on their site pretty good stuff on how to put your cash into banter and seduction:

http://wallstreetplayboys.com/personal-f...ment-50385

Quote:

1) You may be stuck in some classic psychological traps, you want girls to “feel indebted” to you in order to get them to have sex with you. You don’t see yourself as sex worthy in and of yourself. In other words whatever things you buy with the money should be a supplement to an already cool and interesting person and not the main draw. Psychologically you may see the sex as transactional and that could be hurting you. Also getting in shape as mentioned should help with this.

2) You say “saying you’re the owner of a company or etc just sounds ridiculous and braggy.” as if there was a one size fits all version of how to say this. Essentially you are judging yourself from the outside of what you think a girl would think if you said this. You have internalized the judgement of women or others to the point where you self-censor. Nothing “sounds braggy” without a point of reference, if something sounds a certain way it has to sound that way to someone.

Here’s what I mean. You could tell a girl that you’re a “bazillionaire”. Do this with a smirk on your face. Tell her you make “1 bazillion dollars a day” and then when she asks you to buy her a drink tell her “you’re tapped out right now.” She’ll laugh at this because it’s ridiculous. Then loop her in with some qualification like “But you do seem really cool, tell me xyz”, let her qualify herself to you and then tell her that based on that qualification that you would want to have a drink with her. Then look puzzled, check your phone and go “Oh look, I just made enough for a drink while we were talking, I guess now I can get you one.” Now you’ve given her a fun little mystery to unravel about your worth/status and you can go up and down with this through the night.

One way to do this if you have a more witty, fast paced style: “I have a PORSCHE!!!… that I’m borrowing from my mom…. just kidding. I don’t even know why I bought it. I feel like people are so materialistic, I just want people to appreciate me for me. Do you consider yourself materialistic? Tell me how you would describe yourself.”

Or being slower: “I have a PORSCHE!!!… does that make you like me more? On a scale of 1-10 how much more do you like me for having a Porsche?” If she goes low or zero, congratulate her on not being materialistic and qualify from there (this is a slower cook). If she goes high, joke that you’re glad the two of you are on the same page and escalate (she wants what you’ve got and there should be little bullshit). If she goes negative or pushes back like “Now that you told me, I like you less” tell her “I wasn’t telling you because I want you to like me more, I was saying it because I wanted to see what kind of person you are. I don’t like how materialistic some girls are and I want someone different. If you had been all enthusiastic that would have been a turn-off(lie).” (don’t backpedal or apologize, remember you weren’t SERIOUSLY telling her you had a Porsche, it was a test to see who she was, right?)

Alternatively tell her you are homeless. That’s what I tell girls, that I am homeless. And I’m clearly successful and educated. And they laugh.

Actually I used that line with the unemployed bum quite often in Poland - all while smoking cigars and staying in a 5-star hotel.

That's a really funny way to throw in your DHVs while using it to your r-selected seduction advantage.

[Blackwell]

Where can I find the Distant Light interview?

I must of missed it and I really like a lot of his posts.

[Pride male]

If she has her own money she will hardly be impressed. Reminds of tht Soprano episode where AJs girlfriend comes over to his house. His mom Carmela is crying about some ornament that he almost broke.

Later AJ goes to her house and is amazed and dwarfed by her family's wealth.

[jariel]

Would you rather have hotter dates or hotter fucks?

Let's put it this way, every fine bitch isn't waiting for a guy with a yacht to show up so that she can get fucked, the yacht has nothing to do with her desire to get fucked.

If you're on some get hotter lays shit, then get in the best shape of your life and look as good as possible, then you can go out and approach women and spit game.

If you're on some hotter dates shit, then get your money up so she'll flake on the guy who invites her to some free art exhibit downtown because you have great seats and meet and greet passes for a Katy Perry concert.

I rather be in Column A, your chances of getting the ass are much higher, just because a chick is fine, doesn't mean you want to spend quality time with her on dates, and on the other side, just because you show a chick a great time, doesn't mean she's going to fuck you.

[ComebackKid]

(04-22-2015 01:51 PM)jariel Wrote:  

Would you rather have hotter dates or hotter fucks?

Let's put it this way, every fine bitch isn't waiting for a guy with a yacht to show up so that she can get fucked, the yacht has nothing to do with her desire to get fucked.

If you're on some get hotter lays shit, then get in the best shape of your life and look as good as possible, then you can go out and approach women and spit game.

If you're on some hotter dates shit, then get your money up so she'll flake on the guy who invites her to some free art exhibit downtown because you have great seats and meet and greet passes for a Katy Perry concert.

I rather be in Column A, your chances of getting the ass are much higher, just because a chick is fine, doesn't mean you want to spend quality time with her on dates, and on the other side, just because you show a chick a great time, doesn't mean she's going to fuck you.

Agree. Looks > money.



A barmen who looks like this will do better than guys with money.

[frenchcorporation]

people are missing the point. the blog post said assume you have average game + looks etc.. then the blog post went on to focus on money as the only variable.

[rudebwoy]

(04-22-2015 11:15 AM)Blackwell Wrote:  

Where can I find the Distant Light interview?

I must of missed it and I really like a lot of his posts.

Momalicious Youtube page....featuring yours truly.

[jariel]

(04-22-2015 04:45 PM)frenchcorporation Wrote:  

people are missing the point. the blog post said assume you have average game + looks etc.. then the blog post went on to focus on money as the only variable.

My position on this isn't that they said something wrong, but the piece starts out by stating that its focus was going to be about money, so maybe you read the same body of information, but with a different introduction.

A piece that states "Ok guys, have average game, decent looks, and money and you can get girls" would be nominated for the Captain Obvious of The Year Award.

The article focuses on the amount of money they believe a man needs to have relative to the attractiveness of the type of woman he wants to date.

It only hits the eject button towards the end by saying if you have money and yet can't get attractive women, then outlines a few reasons as to why.

[pitt]

I just read the wallstreetplayboy's post, I take back whatever I said. He is clearly thinking ''sucker game''. If you are spending money on expensive dates to get laid or using money to impress girls then you are doing wrong. I think we all should know that this type of game don't work with western girls. Jariel made a good point about what works in the western world but I tell you this, outside of it, the rules change.

[dads]

In my opinion, I think guys opinions on the attractiveness of women, is very skewed. There's a big bell curve around the 7-10 range because a guy will call a girl who's number he got an 8, but will also assign a model the same grade. All hotness is not created equal. This is when I think Patrice O'Neals "0-30" scale* should be used. When WSP refers to 8-10, they are referring to girls in the 20-30 range and 6-7 in the 15-20 range.


*0-10: Ugly Girls, a 7 is a cute ugly girl, a 10 is an extremely attractive ugly girl.

10-20: Average Girls, a 10 is a very ugly Average girl, a 7 is a cute average girl, a 20 is a very hot average girl.

20-30: Hot Girls, a 20 is an ugly hot girl, a 27 is a cute hot girl, a 30 is a straight up hot hot girl.

[Vitriol]

(04-20-2015 08:41 AM)Aliblahba Wrote:  

It's all relative. When you're young, game is a supplement to lack of funds. When you get older, money supplements game. Let's put it in context:

30 y.o. guy- 100k salary. Good logistics, pays someone to mow yard, has nice ride, eats out more often, unlimited movement. Doesn't see the point of 15 hrs of daygame when he can achieve the same goal with $200 and one night in the bar. There are far more important pursuits of happiness than getting laid, and as the older you get, you'll want to let your money do the work of getting laid.

It seems almost taboo on the forum to use money instead of game. But my definition of game is using any and every means you have in your arsenal. Don't get mad over guys with bankrolls.

This is more legit than most guys realize. Do you want to be the guy daygaming in a foodcourt in Zainesville, OH for 8 hours to get laid,... the guy who actually handicaps himself by investing hours on end to bang a mediocre girl? Or the guy who basically does it on demand because he has the cash to get it when he wants it? If you just want to get a nut off dropping openers for 10 hours isn't as exciting as dropping some cash and grabbing some tits within an hour.

[jariel]

(04-22-2015 10:53 PM)Vitriol Wrote:  

This is more legit than most guys realize. Do you want to be the guy daygaming in a foodcourt in Zainesville, OH for 8 hours to get laid,... the guy who actually handicaps himself by investing hours on end to bang a mediocre girl? Or the guy who basically does it on demand because he has the cash to get it when he wants it? If you just want to get a nut off dropping openers for 10 hours isn't as exciting as dropping some cash and grabbing some tits within an hour.

I won't disagree that with money you can expose yourself to the types of environments that more attractive women frequent, and as a result, just being in the arena gives you a better opportunity than someone who can't get that same access -- if you're willing to put in the work once you get inside.

If having money in the club/bar was the end-all, be-all, then the bottle service fools would be batting 1.000, and other guys would figure, if I can't get a bottle, then there's no point in going.

However, the only way you're guaranteed anything sexual because of the money is if you're willing to pay for it.

If you have $200 and access to Backpage, then it's guaranteed you will be able to link up with something -- whether that something is worth it or not is a part of the adventure, and one has to see it through for himself -- but let's be clear, $200 in the bar, just means you have $200 and you're at the bar.

You can trick that money off and still go home alone to xhamster and a T1 connection, meanwhile, the guy who came into the bar fresh off pre-gaming a bottle of some cheap, nasty Exclusiv, $10 for cab fare in one pocket, and some Ecuadorian change in the other could go home with something ready to top him off like a birthday cake.

Again, see the WSP post for what it is, it talks about personal finance and how it relates to dating attractive women; however, dating doesn't have anything to do with getting ass, because you can go out on a date every night of the week, but that doesn't mean you're fucking at the end of them.

[Distant Light]

Damn, how did I miss this thread!?!?

Sadly this is about to be an essay so breakout the coffee...

(04-20-2015 01:43 PM)Saladin Wrote:  

Money is the foundation for you to be satisfied with your life, as without it you constantly have a low level financial anxiety.

(04-20-2015 04:23 PM)Vincent Chase Wrote:  

Remember above all else you are making money for yourself, not for some bimbo from Tinder who you happen to be going out with that particular night. Build a good lifestyle, build a good career, build your knowledge on game and the women will come. Stop with the materialistic shite.

+1 You can end thread here

The Article

Quote:

Money simply makes life easier.

Agree 1000%, yet article talks as if it's suggesting "use money to attract women" or "lead with money to fasttrack to a lay"...

There are alot of assumptions which I ironically fit MOST OF THE CONTRAST which makes the article sound so false it's laughable. For instance, ironically I STARTED all this at age 22/23...

Now I'm not one to rate 9s and 10s because when your around hot chicks so much you think "more or less" hot. That said, I know for sure the girls I'm around aren't average...

Chicks I've actually fooled around with... (Won't say which ones I've actually banged but know I've been sexual in some form with all these chicks)















When I think about "me having money" what does it mean...
- Good logistics
- Travel (music festivals, jet-set hotspots, berlin, paris. eastern europe)

Basically I'd just sit here and think of random crazy shit to do with my life.
- Maybe random RV roadtrip around U.S tasting different food/party cities
- Hop from music festival to music festival
- Go to a party island for 2 weeks getting "royally plastered" (Fearful of this, I'd die on a party island)

Beyond that, money is purely logistics as my friend says "Why not drop $10 on a cab to save time then trying to save money taking the train".

People for some reason keep thinking if you have money you will just waltz into the "high end" clubs. However, they are forgetting using money to gain access to clubs YOU ARE A CLIENT[/b]

You wanna see what happened this monday? Do you really think they will say to this guy "come on in for free!?!?!" (Clubs are still a business)



Hell no, more like they're sending you a text saying "Oscar after-party tonight at x-club...I got 7 playboy models just confirmed to be flying in...Do you want the usual table?" (My friend who is VIP host in LA mentioned tables were starting at $10,000...If I flew to LA all I had to do was say "what up!!" and I'm at a solid table)

If anyone here wanted to drop $1k a night, I could easily connect them with a friend that is ALWAYS with models. The hilarious thing about it, that $1k just has you hanging with hot chicks all night. Imagine some timid startup businessman deciding to do such a thing. Most he's getting is a "cool" instagram picture.

Bottomline, if you can't do it WITHOUT MONEY then whatever lifestyle your trying to live/create is gonna bleed away your funds quickly. To paint a picture actual nightlife prices in NY...
- $300 bar tab minimum per person
- $1000-$1500 minimum low-key night
- $2500-$5000 minimum on a "big" night

I've been living like this since Fall 2011, even if you had the money would you be willing to spend even 2 years going out 4-7x a week? Even bare minimum splitting a table with 2 other guys your still paying $104.000+ a year and that's not even including tip!!

(04-21-2015 08:20 AM)viajero Wrote:  

The problem is, I trust my own experiences in the real world more than I trust some blogger on the internet. So think back to the girls you've banged or the girls banged by dudes you know with game, and I'm sure you'll realize in about 15 seconds you don't buy into this shit.

How it should be...

That said, OP article mentions how any normal guy in NY making $250k won't be complaining...

HE IS RIGHT...



(more entertainment check out this site: http://tagyoursponsor.com/)

These chicks aren't retarded, men think women are dumb when chicks are the greatest calibrators and emotionally adaptable gender.

You think she's in love, yet she is getting fucked by a guy like me. (I think on podcast I mentioned story of hot blond who takes me back to her place in a luxury building only to realize her old boyfriend is there...Then demands I stay and starts yelling at her BF)

P.S...I don't think being "broke" or worrying about money is cool, it's just how things played out. Like others have said the "peace of mind" of having financial stability is what makes money worth it. (Will mention about later)

Quote:

Distant loves his clubs and that comes through. That is why it works for him and why it wouldn't work for many.

This is true...

However, you must remember all those community guys who spend there days walking around doing daygame into nightgame, 30 day challenges, "hitting it hard" etc.

The difference between ME and most is the fact that I'm just "hanging out, living life". Many guys get in this trolling and practicing for hours per day TRYING TO GET LAID.

Quote:

Distant light is still a young guy. Let's wait to see what happens when he is in his 40's to see if his approach is worth doing. At the same time, we can already look at many older, rich men and the women they are banging to see if being wealthy helps.

This is 100% true, although looking at probabilities assuming I can "survive" that long...
- In next 10-15 years many of my friends will be managers, owners, partners, designers within fashion/hospitality industry.

- I technically don't have to "cold approach" ever again due to the many different social circles I'm affiliated with. (In podcast, might've mentioned lifestyle collapse in 2014 due to getting pickpocketed...Majority of my year was/is spent going out 1x a week just catching up with people, which STILL I was getting laid)

That said my #1 old guy inspiration is a guy who's been hooking up with models since the 90s...

Quote:

Anyway, for now, Distant Light, Hwuzhere, <insert really young RVFer> etc. can keep pulling their 9s and 10s using day and night game because that is what young men SHOULD be doing at their ages.

Yessir!! (Also didn't realize you were that old)

For me, I know nightlife will always be apart of me...I'm a night owl so pre-gaming for dinner or at a cool bar is like me being in my living room. Seeing older people out is always inspiring since that will essentially be me.

(04-21-2015 12:21 PM)Aliblahba Wrote:  

(04-20-2015 04:57 PM)Ice Wrote:  

(04-20-2015 08:41 AM)Aliblahba Wrote:  

Doesn't see the point of 15 hrs of daygame when he can achieve the same goal with $200 and one night in the bar. There are far more important pursuits of happiness than getting laid, and as the older you get, you'll want to let your money do the work of getting laid.

That's exactly what I don't get - how is $200 in a bar gonna help you get laid? You wanna buy rounds or what? Or buy an expensive bottle? I don't see how that's gonna help. There might be a subset of girls with whom that might work, yes, but it's not a very good option in my opinion.

That $200 dollars is insurance for drinks, cabs, hotels, apps, ect. I use it to AMOG guys that only buy 1-2 drinks. Yesterday I went to the bar to have a couple beers before going home. 2 hot girls showed up with a beta. I bought a shot and offered them one. Another beta orbiter showed up and I kept buying them shots until they got drunk and then I made fun of them until they left. I gave my diglets to the girl with huge tits and she texted last night. I'll bang at my leisure. They left The waitresses got jealous and started hanging around and playing with my hair. Extra dividends. Later I bought a few rounds for a guy that sells luxury boats. He knows everyone in town with money. Now I've been invited out to the lake and for a round of golf. Total cost? $89 and I had an awesome Monday evening.

I promise no guy with game and no money would've been able to swoop those girls out from under me, or have gotten invited out on a $70k boat full of girls. The money spent was an investment, and pulling an 8 on a Monday @ 3 p.m. doesn't happen everyday. If you want to play in the big leagues, you need to buy in.

I know exactly what you were trying to say BUT both "throwing cash at everything" and "15 hours of daygame" are both a WASTE. One is just inefficient time usage and other is wasted resources... (Not saying $89 dollars at a monday bar is a waste, seems like a decent spend for a chill bar hangout moment)

Which I should add I spend 0 time chasing chicks, I live life, give opportunities to cool chicks and fool around. No LMR, no dates/day2s, no texting/calling, just goodtimes. If your not looking for fun there is no need to hit me up.

I got no time to be chasing when I just want to have adventures. (Which guy who stated 70 days in a row must've been unreal, that time frame and 2012 were greatest time of my life)

My life goal is to accumulate as many memorable experiences as possible until I die...

That said, I agree money is great for "logistics" yet your same situation is how wealthy guys meet me, only difference they see me with tons of girls or having fun as opposed to money. (My crew weren't guys or wings...it was the craziest girls I ever came across who happen to also be attractive)



(I've shown this video before, this was a normal saturday 3pm...Meanwhile every NY PUA was probably in union square trying to get their "practice in"...I vowed to never be that guy.)

Irony though, I gravitated towards the "high end" scene because I knew no one really genuinely has FUN. I've had managers thank me for showing up and of course rich guys inviting me to hang at there table.

A few promoters actually disliked me hang at there table because the girls would just want to follow/hang with me.

[Distant Light]

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(04-21-2015 12:27 PM)worldwidetraveler Wrote:  

Our time is our greatest resource and the young guys typically won't understand how crucial it is until they get older and see some of the things they wasted time on and how they would have been better off doing something else.

As for inner game, even if they figure out inner game right now, that doesn't mean things won't change and they won't have to deal with inner game issues. Lot's of guys I knew that were great with women ended up with inner game problems because they got older and [didn't stay in shape] [work in shit jobs] [insert another reason here].

Irony, this is my philosophy too which is essentially why I don't deal with the "rat race" since my goals aren't to own a house, car, *insert luxury item*. MOST PEOPLE can't say they could die right now and be happy with their life experience...

My joke is that people "live to survive" rather than actually living life...

When people meet me or wonder why the hell I'm always so happy despite any physical hiccups that come up, it's because I remember the adventures that were had and my capabilities.

In my mind, once I have money it will be years and years of over-indulgence until eventually it "ends". When I die I'm going to be clapping with standing ovation as shit has been epic.

(04-21-2015 04:33 PM)Apollo21 Wrote:  

You really want to consistently meet single 9's and 10's
without loud music or other guys competing for her
attention. Clubs/Bars certainly can't do that and day game
is so hit or miss that it's the worst way to spend your time.

And to be honest, after years of going to clubs, I'm not really
impressed by the "hottest" club girls. Usually they're just cute
7's and occasional 8 and 9's who typically have boyfriends or
are married.

Real money gives you the opportunity to bring more single, attractive
women(9's and 10's) all together in one place so you can meet
these girls easily and consistently.

That's why Leo can have a gut and still date some of the
most beautiful women you'll ever meet. His connections
and money allows him to meet these girls without ever needing
to get into a club or wasting his time running day game.

That is the player lifestyle:-)

This is main reason I don't like rating girls 9s and 10s since it's so subjective...

That said, want hot chicks in non-club environments Art/Fashion events and promotional events for luxury brands. (I met a russian fashion designer at a photography event randomly and a singer chick)

Connections within nightlife gives you access to so many different realms unrelated to nightlife... (I know more finance guys, hedge fund owners than the average man and I've never even set foot in such buildings ever)

Beyond that, I would challenge that you've never been in a "solid" venue, meaning...
- TIGHT TIGHT TIGHT Door (No high heels, not 5'8+...no go)
- GUY, $2,500 or have a guy inside and ADD A BOTTLE to the table
- 9 girls, 1 short? Sorry no go

People thought I was a model scout because of the chicks I rolled with. Prior to a drunken mistake I literally could walk in alone as a single man and be in a venue with ONLY MODEL TYPES.

Sadly these type of fantasy clubs are becoming a dying business formula

As for leo, well a funny convo and ironic recent status on my facebook feed...







This one was rather recent posted by a friend who is a VIP host...I too went to an after party with him (the vip host, not leo) and ended up hooking up with an italian chick in a pitch black area on a sofa... (While I can't give details lets just say it reminded me of the scene irreversible where every nook and cranny had some shit going on)

(04-20-2015 07:38 PM)Apollo21 Wrote:  

(04-20-2015 05:09 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  

(04-20-2015 05:04 PM)Apollo21 Wrote:  

(04-20-2015 11:42 AM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  

Two words, Distant Light.

WIA

Well Distant Light has a pretty big social circle and
hangs out at the high end club scene where a lot of people
have money.

Money though is just a tool. Just like game is just a tool.
It definitely can help you in certain situations...however it's up to you
to use it to your advantage.

And the best use of money is to help you create a fun lifestyle
that girls enjoy along with your personality.

Listen to his interview. If you think he's successful because of money, listen to it again

WIA

I'm actually referring to the podcast. He doesn't have a lot of money
himself, although he does have a lot of connections and personality which makes him successful.

However in the podcast, even he admitted(indirectly) that there was a
whole other level of game that having money gives you access to...
i.e being able to fly to St. Tropez with models that you met during Fashion
week, going to exclusive events because you've met or did business
with certain people. That is what money can do for you.

Personally, while you can do well without money, having money can
take you even higher.

*Bold* stems from a personal choice of not wanting to fly to such events "broke" dependent purely on my connections. While yes housing/food/partying might be all free and all I have to pay is flight ticket. On a personal level having never traveled and having no money isn't the sort of risk I'm willing to take.

My friend did this twice traveling in europe (cannes, zurich, barcelona, ibiza) He also got stranded in Miami once because the model promoter "housing" him kicked him out after it became apparent the girls wanted to party with my boy instead...His past "sugar mommy" had to book him a flight back to NY.

I don't want to deal with such BS...

At this point for me it's "same shit, different setting"...

As a familiar guy I used to party with once said...



"You don't need to own the yacht...Just know the guy who does"

NOTE: While the guy has money since I've known him he's always had connections and got "free" stuff. Many times he's come to me and I'd make him a drink (along with the girl he's with)

People tend to forget we are "supposedly" good with women, if every man had tons of women in there phone where they can literally hit them up and get a little group of 12 girls, they just got themselves a potential party at some local playboys penthouse or villa for some pre-gaming...He has money to burn and has no problem handling the logsitics.

I already was living in a fantasyland back in 2012 that very few men ever actually experience. The funny thing is, because I didn't "buy my way" I get to see everything objectively without justifying the price.

As a "guy" in such realm for FREE you are considered family an insider.


What did my invitation to hit south of france look like?










NOTE: Funny thing about this time period, there was another article about leo and in the cannes picture who was right next to him? One of my boys that always rolls with model types.

(04-20-2015 10:57 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  

(04-20-2015 07:07 PM)Travesty444 Wrote:  

(04-20-2015 11:42 AM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  

Two words, Distant Light.

WIA

One word:

Probabilities

A) 17 years of the best education, best grades, best connections and beating out everyone else with near identical stats - to get that investment banking job

or

B) studying fame for a decent amount of time and then going out 70 nights straight?

Who has better odds of pulling some 22 year old Ukrainian?

You think Ludmilla is really calculating both the Net Present Values and forecasting the possible return on her investment while she throws back vodka shots?

WSP treats women as rational actors, as if they were stock traders.
They think that women respond to financial incentives AND that once they bang Mr. Money Bags, she won't still fuck the dj.

It's like none of them have heard of the feminine imperative.

WIA

I saved this for last because this is a major distinction that has played out in my life...

Something I think people are unaware of as they see 70 days in a row or assume "what you did is too much effort" is the fact that it was easier than traditional pickup...

Going out was "recreational" kind of like Dan Blizerian flying out to cabo with a bunch of girls just for the hell of it. Think of a hobby you enjoy like video games or tv, that's how going out felt for me. PURE FUN...

The kicker?

Had I stopped cold approaching after those 70 days my life would STILL keep going because the amount of connectors I met who are social people allowed me to just "show up"...

Beyond that though? People are missing the internal change...Imagine...
- You have no social anxiety
- "hooking up" is a matter of simply showing up
- You know how to enjoy yourself independent of anything external
- You have the faculties to drastically enhance your social life within a matter of a week
- You have no dependency for no one and view yourself as an individual
- When it comes to your social or sex life, you know how to navigate and build it in whatever way you want

And no one can take that away from you, it can't be depleted or stolen from you since it is YOU. Now imagine whether your 25, 30, or 50 your like that and money starts coming in...

The possibilities...

Why I bring this up? My close friends who spent the past 2-3 years making money have realized despite the fact that they have money now...THEY STILL GO TO THE SAME SHIT BARS...

See in past 4 years my friends lives didn't "drastically" change beyond financially...
- They live in manhattan (good logistics)
- They can choose what amazing meals they want to eat
- They aren't worried about financial issues
- They can get up and travel anytime they want
- ONE IN PARTICULAR, is now able to chase pussy worldwide (he likes roaming around to bang chicks)

All of them are "decent" with women, matter of fact they fit the description of OP article. They've had their fare share of cuties but NOWHERE NEAR as much as me because "It's my life" being around hot women and having lots of women in my life is just a normal byproduct of living my life.

4 years later, I'm now converting to "making money" while my friends NOW want to "live the lifestyle". Irony is, my life is always waiting...
- I go out 1x a week now, got 1 cutie I hookup with (cut off everyone else since I don't even go out) so in order to hang with her and friends I bring her to brunch where a mixed group of 30 have a blast.

- I still get hit up from chicks when they are coming into NY (last sunday a ballet dancer had met me and my girl)

- I still get invites from my girls (1 is a DJ, 1 is a fashion designer)

- Went out monday since I stayed over chicks place an extra day. Caught up with about 7 other friends I used to hangout with.

While I might not be going out 4-7x a week everything is still there and chick I'm seeing clearly can tell "I'm a solid dude" from how I am and the lifestyle I have...

She was SHOCKED at how easy things were ("long time no see", stamp, greet every bouncer, in) that she now wants me to take her out on saturday so she can see what it was like for me.

All money means to me...
- I could go with my crew to cannes for a month
- I could fly to las vegas where my girls would take care of me (free everything!!)
- I could go to Ibiza with my boy and have some epic parties (When it comes to socializing and women I'm like pacman, I clean up the fucking board)
- I could buy 5 tickets to a psytrance festival and surprise 4 of my friends to a "week to remember"

I have no interest in materials, I like the atmosphere of luxury and edgy items but have zero desire to own them. All I care about is memorable experiences which is why most people call me "extreme"...

I actually feel like I'm not going hard enough

P.S...My boys all want me to start making money because they know me partying in other cities would mean "crushing it". If it's "easy" now and people always add these other variables of what makes it easier...I wouldn't even be able to comprehend what my travel experiences will be. Only thing next level is for chicks to just literally kidnap me. (I can't imagine women being any easier than it already is)

[worldwidetraveler]

Distant, no doubt you will do great. You have the right attitude and hopefully more guys will realize they can accomplish much more with a attitude like that.

[Simeon_Strangelight]

Some good stuff as always by Distant Light - also by WIA.

Ultimately the truth of the matter is that girls don't get their panties wet by money alone. Spending 200.000$ on a 15L magnum bottle is just stupid. Even if you are billionaire that is lousy return on investment and just more rip-off than anything else.

What WSP can potentially go into is the "cool business-man" niche that Distant Light has been talking about some time ago.

Especially girls in the prime during the party years want to have a good time with an Alpha-ish guy. They don't care whether you are the owner of a company or just the one hanging out with the owner of a company. They will also hook up just as easily with a broke dude who hangs out on a yacht just as much as with the yacht owner, if he is cool.

Distant Light's Game also seems to me to be more primal - almost no language spoken. It works for sure, but plenty of men don't have that vibe, because it's not part of their personality. The RSD PUA crew could possibly do well there.

But one thing is clear in that respect - girls do go into glitz, glamour and money - just some men are able to exploit that field without money and attract more girls than the men who actually spend the money. Distant Light is one of them like a shark who cleans up before the whale.

The female desire is influenced by social cues for sure (among other things) and whether those social cues are activated by spending 10k that night AND being the cool guy or JUST being the cool guy with nothing spent - the end result is the same and she will bang you.


Also this guy in your example has reputedly lost a great part of his money, but still parties with Dan Bilzerian and others just because he is in the lifestyle.



And your mentor you put in your example - that guy has certainly decent cash, but is of course in addition a cool dude that the girls like to hang out with - that is his real value that attracts the women instead of seeing him as a walking boring Moneybag. Girls in their party years do want to have fun.



What you don't want to have in my opinion is purely transactional sex - that is just a sad story.

[Apollo21]

Distant Light, you've really taken advantage
of the unique opportunity that is NYC.

At some point all of your connections start to snowball
and you get great momentum.

I would say that outside of New York, "proper" venues
where you can network with tons of fashion/photography insiders,
businessmen, models etc and get invites to other events are
going to only exist in the big cities(L.A, Miami)

In NYC, clubs provide an easy access point to these people
all you need to do is make some real connections and you're in.

However, outside of the Mecca that is NYC, the best way to access
those same people, is generally by doing business with them
and then expanding your social connections.

It's good to hear that you're focused now on getting your money right.

The better your business connections, the deeper your social connections
and the more money you make...which allows you to take those flights to Cannes
anytime you want. And Cannes is absolutely filled with the hottest models
during Film Festival:-)

[Suits]

Status and the right experiences give women tingles.

Woman's likelihood of banging you = status(looks + money + status symbols + style) + the experience you give her(how your flat makes her feel + the places you take her + the social access you give her + how you treat her)

As you can see, money factors into how high you can climb in a lot of these areas.

Of course, if the way your treat her figures in in a big way, large enough to prompt tingles, you can get laid without a lot of this stuff, but the more you offer, the higher you can fly (with your dick).

[Pride male]

A video is worth 10 000 words.