[TheWastelander]

(04-20-2015 08:45 PM)cibo Wrote:  

(04-20-2015 07:06 PM)kleyau Wrote:  

(04-20-2015 05:45 PM)cibo Wrote:  

... and proves my point that killing and/or torturing an animal a pretty clear indication of willinginess to the same thing to a person.

Blowing a deer away with a rifle is as sporting as shooting an unarmed man.

So, indiscriminately killing animals on an industrial scale by proxy means you're not a sociopath? Just because you can't see it?

(04-20-2015 04:24 PM)TheWastelander Wrote:  

I have zero respect for people who eat meat but then talk shit about hunters or hunting.

Yep. This is why I think all meat should come with a photo of the way the animal is killed. Eliminate the magic meat fruit that is just picked from the meat tree.

What part about hunting for survival(food), do you not understand?

I was unaware that we live in society where we have to go hunt and gather still. I don't need to go out a kill an animal myself to eat. If it was required to survive, go right a head.

You could even make an argument for deers and overpopulation but explain to me why you need to go out of your way to hunt a cat, a bear, a lion, or elephant, etc. for reasons beyond entertainment?

In a lot of cases it's because the governments in charge of managing those animals' populations want a certain number of those animals dead for various reasons and sell expensive permits to hunt them rather than hiring hunters to go cull them. Who cares, besides you apparently, if the hunters enjoys hunting the animals?

You seem very attached to creatures who do not give a shit about you and most of those you listed would kill you in a heartbeat.

[el mechanico]

Still all for this cat killing. I just look at them and they move. My dog spends his entire day keeping them off my property. He's a good boy and does a great job but he can't go out front while I'm at work. These are the cats I will shoot and let him go get until they learn.

[BortimusPrime]

(04-20-2015 07:12 PM)TheWastelander Wrote:  

(04-20-2015 05:07 PM)BortimusPrime Wrote:  

(04-20-2015 04:24 PM)TheWastelander Wrote:  

It's a huge jump. We're humans, humans are us. Animals are not us. It's simple.

I have zero respect for people who eat meat but then talk shit about hunters or hunting.

It's only a huge jump in terms of consequences when living in a society. Cruelty to animals is about the clearest sign of psychopathy there is, and if this woman had been born in Syria her facebook picture would be holding up a Coptic Christian with an arrow through his head.

If you consider killing an animal outright animal cruelty, then I don't think we can agree on anything.

Your psychology professors were referring to guys like Richard Kuklinski who enjoyed swinging cats around by their tails, beating, and burning them to death when he was a kid. Torturing an animal to death is a sign of psychopathy.

Hunting is not.

Sigh, I was referring to animal torture, not hunting or slaughtering livestock. Hunters on this thread are way too defensive given that nothing in this story has any relevance to hunting. Shooting a cat with a bow point blank is neither a food source nor is it sporting in any sense. In this case the woman's motivation pretty clearly seems to be pleasure from killing.

[cibo]

(04-20-2015 08:52 PM)TheWastelander Wrote:  

(04-20-2015 08:45 PM)cibo Wrote:  

(04-20-2015 07:06 PM)kleyau Wrote:  

(04-20-2015 05:45 PM)cibo Wrote:  

... and proves my point that killing and/or torturing an animal a pretty clear indication of willinginess to the same thing to a person.

Blowing a deer away with a rifle is as sporting as shooting an unarmed man.

So, indiscriminately killing animals on an industrial scale by proxy means you're not a sociopath? Just because you can't see it?

(04-20-2015 04:24 PM)TheWastelander Wrote:  

I have zero respect for people who eat meat but then talk shit about hunters or hunting.

Yep. This is why I think all meat should come with a photo of the way the animal is killed. Eliminate the magic meat fruit that is just picked from the meat tree.

What part about hunting for survival(food), do you not understand?

I was unaware that we live in society where we have to go hunt and gather still. I don't need to go out a kill an animal myself to eat. If it was required to survive, go right a head.

You could even make an argument for deers and overpopulation but explain to me why you need to go out of your way to hunt a cat, a bear, a lion, or elephant, etc. for reasons beyond entertainment?

In a lot of cases it's because the governments in charge of managing those animals' populations want a certain number of those animals dead for various reasons and sell expensive permits to hunt them rather than hiring hunters to go cull them. Who cares, besides you apparently, if the hunters enjoys hunting the animals?

You seem very attached to creatures who do not give a shit about you and most of those you listed would kill you in a heartbeat.

People seem to have issues with reading comprehension when i just said that population control could be a reasonable argument. And yes some of those animals could eat you if we didn't have a gun and were pretty much hunted to near extinction.

Remove the utilitarian reasons for hunting and rat holing of minor points.

And we go back to my point that most hunting is entertainment, which it seems you don't fully refute.

You make the argument libertarian argument that as long as it doesn't affect someone it should be ok.

But answer me why is it fun and good to just blow the fuck out of something that was minding its own business? Let alone borderline toturing shit like this girl did.

Some people enjoy the killing of animals and for them, the jump to humans is not a far one.

[Phoenix]

Hunting and eating meat are not related at all when the hunting is just for 'sport'. These people are posing with big grins with a dead animal because they are getting off on having killed something, not because 'Oh this animal will be delicious!'. If they eat the wildebeest or whatever, well fair enough.

[Fast Eddie]

(04-20-2015 10:33 PM)cibo Wrote:  

People seem to have issues with reading comprehension when i just said that population control could be a reasonable argument. And yes some of those animals could eat you if we didn't have a gun and were pretty much hunted to near extinction.

Remove the utilitarian reasons for hunting and rat holing of minor points.

And we go back to my point that most hunting is entertainment, which it seems you don't fully refute.

You make the argument libertarian argument that as long as it doesn't affect someone it should be ok.

But answer me why is it fun and good to just blow the fuck out of something that was minding its own business? Let alone borderline toturing shit like this girl did.

Some people enjoy the killing of animals and for them, the jump to humans is not a far one.

Sigh. You just keep making that outrageous assertion, without any justification for it whatsoever. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, and "my psychology professor said so" doesn't quite cut it.

What makes it even more confusing is that you're from the US. So you should know better. You should know better, that the overlap between "hunters" and "murderers" is extremely small. I'm not sure if you're aware of the concept of Bayesian probabilities, but take it like this homie:

If we take a random US male age 15-25, the probability that he is a murderer is X.

If we take a random US male age 15-25, given that he is a hunter, the probability that he is a murderer is Y.

Now, you know that X>Y unless you've been hiding under a rock. Maximum security prisons are not filled with dudes who had spent their weekends deer hunting. If you wanted to select a group of 100 people who you are sure have never killed a man, hunting would be one of those things you would seek out along with female gender, high income, college education etc as predictors of well behaved, well adjusted individuals.

So yes, it definitely is a large, huge, humongous, astronomical, downright cosmic jump from killing animals to killing humans, just like it's a huge gap between sticking your dick into a pussy or another man's anus. Like, they're both holes, but knowing that a man has stuck his dick into one tells you he probably hasn't stuck it in the other.

[Suits]

(04-20-2015 08:54 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  

Still all for this cat killing. I just look at them and they move. My dog spends his entire day keeping them off my property. He's a good boy and does a great job but he can't go out front while I'm at work. These are the cats I will shoot and let him go get until they learn.

Only in Florida?

[iamdegaussed]

We should just agree to disagree on the hunting thing, as its irrelevant here. This wasn't hunting.

And I can't be the only one that thinks women "hunting" is gross.

[godfather dust]

All these posts against killing/hurting animals are some faggot bitch shit. We're the top of the food chain baby, the rulers of the earth. Take that hippy shit to Portland.

I don't go around killing animals, but I fucking hate cats. One time me and my bro were walking down the street and his dead cat was laying there. I stomped on that bitch and it's eyes popped out. He was pissed, but I'm much bigger and scarier than him so he let it go.

The one time I killed an animal was when a dog came after my dog. Cut that motherfucker up.

All that said, fuck this bitch. Her arrogance and stupidity are unbelievable.

[SamuelBRoberts]

"I don't go around killing animals, but I fucking hate cats. One time me and my bro were walking down the street and his dead cat was laying there. I stomped on that bitch and it's eyes popped out. He was pissed, but I'm much bigger and scarier than him so he let it go."

The hell?
You stomped out the eyes of your friend's dead cat?

[cibo]

https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/why...rming-pets

I just did a quick Google search on my phone for "serial killers and animals" "serial killers and animal abuse". There are plenty more which are probably better. But I'm simply demonstrating this argument exists. If this is not enough, I'll post more later

[TigerMandingo]

(04-20-2015 11:37 PM)godfather dust Wrote:  

All these posts against killing/hurting animals are some faggot bitch shit. We're the top of the food chain baby, the rulers of the earth. Take that hippy shit to Portland.

I don't go around killing animals, but I fucking hate cats. One time me and my bro were walking down the street and his dead cat was laying there. I stomped on that bitch and it's eyes popped out. He was pissed, but I'm much bigger and scarier than him so he let it go.

The one time I killed an animal was when a dog came after my dog. Cut that motherfucker up.

All that said, fuck this bitch. Her arrogance and stupidity are unbelievable.

[Fast Eddie]

(04-20-2015 11:40 PM)cibo Wrote:  

https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/why...rming-pets

I just did a quick Google search on my phone for "serial killers and animals" "serial killers and animal abuse". There are plenty more which are probably better. But I'm simply demonstrating this argument exists. If this is not enough, I'll post more later

You totally killed that strawman, can't even see 'im for the fireball.

Seriously though, I don't think there is a single person in this thread arguing that animal abuse is normal. My post was about hunting, not torturing pets. Links to articles discussing connections between animal abuse and pathological behavior towards humans have nothing to do with what anyone here is trying to say.

[cibo]

Fast Eddie

Youre really enjoy taking one argument out of many and pulling it out of context.

For one argument, I said some people use hunting in order to get a thrill from killing. And for that subset it is not a big jump. They kill in addition to other things to animals and would likely do that to a human if possible.

Some people could be a little. It could be a lot. I left it at that.

You still haven't answered my other statement why killing animals for unimportant reasons is a good thing. It at least shows a lack of empathy. I wouldn't want to shoot a dog for no reason so why's it OK when it comes to other animals?

But regardless, you're obviously very defensive about hunting. I think I'm done. We're obviously not going to agree and I'm getting tired of the poor reading comprehension.

[IvanDrago]

So back to the matter at hand. WYB? Is she 25 or 45? It is hard to tell from the pictures. Personally, I think she killed the cat because she is mad at the world for being born without lips.

[DJ-Matt]

WNB she U G L Y, ain't got no alibi

[Sherman]

CRAZY CAT LADIES ON THE MARCH

   

Feral cats are not completely wild animals who can live self sufficiently in nature and are fed by cat ladies. They survive and colonies grow from human food sources. The cats almost always die cruel deaths outside the range of cameras. Female solutions make the problems worse. The cat ladies are the real source of animal cruelty.

Cat ladies who support cat colonies

http://www.catster.com/lifestyle/what-do...-cats-dies

From Austin Sheriff Facebook page

https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?s...2016718516

Some comments from disturbed cat ladies:

"Emmy Martinez Her mom needs to be prosecuted also. What kind of parent is she!"

"Michele Moeltner what about her mother, the proud photographer who evidently has a .gov email address? will she be charged and relieved of her position? will there be any consequences for impeding the investigation, lying, or hiding the dead cat that they are most likely to do? will the mother's job be reviewing her heinous part in this and relieving her of her job as well, since taxpayer dollars are paying her salary?"

Trap-Neuter-Return Doesn't work

http://www.tnrrealitycheck.com/studies.asp


PAWS UP DON'T SHOOT

   

[IvanDrago]

Meanwhile, in other archery related death news...

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-32380705

Quote:

A teacher at a school in the Spanish city of Barcelona has been killed by a pupil armed with a home-made crossbow and a knife.

The suspect, reportedly a 13-year-old boy, has been arrested but may not face charges because of his age.

The teacher killed was protecting a colleague during the incident at the Instituto Joan Fuster, reports say.

Four other people were wounded. Police have not confirmed the weapon used and there is no indication of his motive.

The boy was said to have arrived late for a class on Monday morning and wounded a Spanish language teacher and her daughter, who was also a student.

Hearing screams, a male teacher covering as a substitute for a colleague entered the classroom and was fatally wounded when the boy attacked him.

A police spokesman could not confirm whether he had been fatally wounded by the boy's knife or his makeshift crossbow.

The man had only begun working at the school in recent weeks.

[Ingocnito]

This is just more of the herd-thinking of women. I live near both rural and city areas. So many Tinder profiles have stupid bitches with pics of them shooting guns, hunting, showing off their kill.

Of course they're hunting at the very least with a compound bow with sites, a rifle with a scope, and probably baited half the animals they kill. It doesn't take that damn much skill.

Her attention whoring backfired. "Look at me, I can do things a man can do, but instead, I'll brag to the world about it thinking there will be no repercussion."

I scares the shit out of me how many women have CCW permits. Yea, give a proven emotionally unstable gender a permit to carry a firearm, and once some random person is shot dead, whose to say her story for shooting them was the truth or not. We've literally given these bitches 1000 ways to kill everything from men, to animals, to children.. either incrementally with the state behind them, or literally with hot lead now.

[Kingsley Davis]

[Foolsgo1d]

Personally if you're going after feral animals you need to go the whole hog.

[IvanDrago]

(04-21-2015 01:26 PM)Foolsgo1d Wrote:  

Personally if you're going after feral animals you need to go the whole hog.

And that children, is where Famous Dave's comes from.

[TheWastelander]

(04-21-2015 01:26 PM)Foolsgo1d Wrote:  

Personally if you're going after feral animals you need to go the whole hog.

The site below always makes me laugh. I quoted my favorite parts of it.

http://www.buckstix.com/CoehornMortarHunt.htm

Quote:

THE "CAT HUNT" CONTINUES

To begin with, one must decide on a proper load with which to shoot a Feral Cat using a Coehorn Mortar Cannon.

Since it would be extremely dangerous, and Federally illegal, to use an exploding ball, ( see figure above ) it was decided to use a "Solid" ball for the Cat hunt. But, rather than use a solid Cast Iron Ball, we opted for a "Hard-Rubber" ball of 4-1/2" diameter. Where do you find such a hard rubber ball of that diameter? Well, there is a sport that's popular out on the East Coast called "Candle-Pin Bowling". Candle Pin bowling uses 5, skinny bowling pins that are very tall and look like candles. The candle pin bowling ball is palm size with no holes, is exactly 4-1/2" in diameter, weighs only 2-1/4 pounds, and comes in a marvelous assortment of colors. They typically come in sets of 2 and used candle pin balls are often available on EBay at reasonable prices. In fact, I recently purchased such a set of 2 Candle Pin bowling balls for only $45 and they came with a ball bag and bowling shoes. ( Note: The shoes flew erratic to about 100 yards, and I never did get the bag to fit down the bore. )

...

The 350 yard range is about the optimum range to observe your Mortar shot. Surprisingly, you can watch the Mortar ball as it flies thru the air. Its like watching a "pop fly" at the softball game, only higher and farther. 350 - 400 yards is far enough away to allow your shot to go undetected. It gives you plenty of time to reach for the binoculars to observe your target impact attempt. I say attempt, because it will likely take you several shots before you are successful in hitting the intended target, namely the Cat.

A word about Baiting. Each and every Feral cat on earth is always hungry. In order to lure your Feral Cat into the down-range target area, it is necessary to use some type of bait. Exercise caution when bating because "over-bating" may actually increase your Feral Cat problem. Its a delicate trade-off. A single Feral Cat is very difficult to hit, whereas a bunch of hungry Feral Cats crowded in the target area makes the chances of a Mortar hit more likely. However, a bunch of hungry Feral Cats coming regularly for food is not a desirable outcome either. Over baiting can result in every hungry Feral Cat from a 10 mile area coming to your target bait. Use you best judgment. I would suggest lots of bait until you have a few Mortar kills under your belt. Then cut-back on the bait and concentrate on accurately hitting a single target cat ( or a breeding pair ) rather than trying to group shoot into the bunch.

What to use for bait? You guessed it, "Milk" is best, although cheap cat food also works well. I prefer milk because it can be reused and it doesn't create a big clean-up issue. You can keep using it for days on end. Hungry Feral Cats will come to it even if it goes sour. A successful technique is to put some in a squirt gun and sprits it around the area to create a large milk scented trail into the smaller target zone. However, one word of caution on bait containers. I would suggest using unbreakable bowls made of tin or paper since you don't want to smash your wife's good soup bowls from random Mortar hits. Wives are not very understanding when you break their dishes. As a matter of fact, they're not too keen on Cat Hunting with a Mortar either. Believe me, I speak from experience. Personally I prefer using lots of Tin pans. The reason for this will become obvious in step 5.

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3. Unlike Deer hunting with a cannon, Mortar hunting is somewhat of a spectator sport and can be enjoyed by several people or a small group of people at the same time. Since you are quite distant from the target area, you won't even have to whisper. You will find Mortar Hunting to be very relaxing. Everyone can take turns keeping an eye on the target area with binoculars. Then, when a Feral Cat is lured into the target area, everyone grabs their binoculars and watches. Now you alert the Mortar Captain that it's time to shoot. There is no real rush since the bait will usually holds the target cat for quite some time. The relaxing sport of Mortar hunting for Feral Cats is actually a lot like fishing; bait and wait.

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7. If a Stranger wanders by and asks what you're doing. Ask him what he thinks of the Feral Cat problem in the area. If he starts talking like a wimpy "bunny-hugger", get rid of him. Tell him he's trespassing. Nice thing about being 400 yards from the target area is that no one knows what you are up to unless "you" clue them in. It just looks like you are Target shooting your Coehorn Mortar.

8. Now, if you suddenly see People in Uniform coming your way, you've got a different problem. THIS IS IMPORTANT ... You have to get to the baited Target area, FAST. You will need to get there before they do, so run if you have to. When you get to the bait area, you have to "get-rid-of the bait" and you'll be in the clear. Nice thing about milk is that its easy to dump. ( Canned cat food can be a real problem here. ) No need to pick up the pans, just turn them over, which spills out the milk. If questioned, simply explain that the pans are all part of your intended targets for your Mortar practice. Tell them you like the way they sound when the Mortar ball hits them. If you keep a tight lip, and don't smile too much, no one will ever suspect what you are actually doing with your Mortar. Only YOU can get yourself into trouble if you confess to anything.

9. After all is back to normal, you simply turn the pan (or pans) back to their upright position, and refill them with more milk. Chances are the same hungry kitty will soon return and you can continue your hunt.

10. In unlikely event that you have "no luck what-so-ever" and you find yourself hitting a Feral cat with you Mortar at the very same time as Uniformed People show up, KEEP COOL . There is still a chance that the Warden ( or whatever ) will hate cats. Statistically, Over 60% of people in general hate cats, so the odds are in your favor. There is also a chance that he or she might have a sense of humor. To probe this, explain that ... " there you were ... minding your own business ... shooting your Coehorn Mortar at pans filled with milk ... when, wouldn't you know it, a really stupid cat wandered right into your target area." Explain that ... " Darwin's Law must have put that cat's head right under the cannon ball in order to remove him from the feline gene pool." If after all this, you are still in trouble, remember there is always a 60/40 chance that the Judge will also hate cats. The Judge might even have a sense of humor when he exclaims to the Game Warden, .............. "You telling me he intentionally hit a Cat with a Cannon ball at 400 yards?"

[Patrickstar]

This is just messed up. RIP Random Cat.

[iop890]

(04-21-2015 08:21 AM)IvanDrago Wrote:  

So back to the matter at hand. WYB? Is she 25 or 45? It is hard to tell from the pictures. Personally, I think she killed the cat because she is mad at the world for being born without lips.

That looks like nearly every girl from where I grew up. Big jutting chin, no lips, "can I speak to your manager?" haircut, crow's feet since the age of nine.

Add to that bragging about manly things like hunting and drinking whiskey. Disgusting.

WNB, but I may be biased.