[UberBicep]

I'm repeatedly running into this problem. The girls I am seeing know I am lording it here in the Philippines. And many of them don't seem to understand that being a slut is a bad thing, because us as guys bang every chick we can get, they seem to think that us humans are equal. But we all know that clearly isn't the case. Typically this kind of thing happens with the feminist types.

Now I do not wish for the girls I am seeing to turn into massive sluts. Perhaps I have already made the mistake thinking they aren't sluts already. They keep making points, saying it is so easy to find a guy. Approaching other dudes in front of me to test my reaction, them coming back at me 'look, I can fuck that guy' is a typical example. If I've banged 100 chicks, they argue that it is just so easy for them to bang 100 guys - and of course they are right as any chick who isn't hideously ugly has a mile of erect cock lining up waiting to jump to tap that pussy. Perhaps part of this is a bad attempt for them to demonstrate their SMV as they feel intimidated by an alphas SMV.

However, I think part of this is just a shit test, to test my frame to see if I break, to see if it is OK with me if they go ahead a bang other dudes, which, call me slightly narcissistic, I'd rather have them to commit to me. I think it would take some very tight game to take multiple women off the mating market and have them commit to you.

Here are some points I have attempted:

1) All a guy has to do is spit inside 100 girls and walk away. Women will be left holding the babies with other guys to take care of her. Women have committed paternity fraud for centuries.

2) All a women has to do to get laid is to open her legs. For a man, he needs to build on his attraction levels to gain access to sex. 80% of dudes on this planet do not get laid.

3) Deep down you know you are attracted to players, even though you don't realise it. Imagine a guy in a bar with chicks around him, being the center of attention and banging these chicks. Now imagine it the other way around, a girl hunting on guys every night banging lots of dudes, you'd look down on her. She's a whore, right?

4) Men will always brag about how many girls they've banged. Women will always be shameful of revealing that information and ALWAYS lie about it.

5) If you're out all the time hunting for guys like I am hunting for chicks, my attraction for you will drop and I will pump and dump you like I do with most chicks.

[General Mayhem]

Relevant


Let's get real though. There isn't much you can do to get a woman to objectively reflect on her own actions.

[Wargasm]

You don't explain logically to girls why being slutty is bad because they'd never understand. You simply tell or show them that you would never date a slutty girl, and if she doesn't like that then she's obviously a slut not worth your time.

Similarly, you can never logically explain to a girl why its ok for you to sleep with other girls. You can either choose to do it on the sly and hope you never get caught, or if you have tight-enough-game/high-enough-value do it openly and say if she doesn't like it she's free to go whenever she wants.

Logic is for reasoning with men, not dealing with women.

[UberBicep]

(04-09-2015 11:36 PM)Wargasm Wrote:  

You don't explain logically to girls why being slutty is bad because they'd never understand. You simply tell or show them that you would never date a slutty girl, and if she doesn't like that then she's obviously a slut not worth your time.

Similarly, you can never logically explain to a girl why its ok for you to sleep with other girls. You can either choose to do it on the sly and hope you never get caught, or if you have tight-enough-game/high-enough-value do it openly and say if she doesn't like it she's free to go whenever she wants.

Logic is for reasoning with men, not dealing with women.

I guess my point 5) is the better one then.

[Kamikaze]

Of course they're shit-testing you. Everyone understands the difference between dicking 100 pussies and a pussy taking 100 dicks.

Like Patrice advises... ask them 'why?' Why are you able to easily get 100 guys? Why do they want to sleep with you?

Every answer they give you, other than 'they want my body/pussy/ass,' just stare them down Curb style.



When they give you the only true answer, lead them into the trap. 'Now why would 100 girls want to sleep with me?' If they avoid answering altogether, don't rub it in, you already won.

You can go down a rabbit hole where you start talking about how men have to develop and accumulate certain traits to be desirable to multiple women, whereas girls are merely born with theirs. Don't do it. They are baiting you. Just smile, play dumb, and bait their trolling-asses right back.

Although that 'master key, shitty lock' thing GM wrote above is GOLD. I would just leave it at that.

[Simeon_Strangelight]

This is one fundamental thing with women and has nothing to do with their famous madonna/whore complex that they bring out.

I've had some discussions lately with a female somewhat Red Pill blogger. And in the beginning she had trouble understanding that even a good-looking guy was not getting laid linke gang-busters. All she saw was the relative ease that he could attract female attention and she really believed that any 6+ looking man can get laid quite easily. For guys at 7+ she really thought that they could have a harem each day.

I explained to her that this is not the case, that most men struggle hard - even very good-looking 8s. Most bang below their weight when good-looking - fucking 6-7s. Then I told her that even if an 8 guy approaches 10 girls during Daygame or Nightgame, then the majority would reject them. If his Game was sub-par then even more.

I noticed that she started to incorporate that into her posts now, as she is quite Red Pill. But trying to teach that to women in the Philippines is probably more difficult, since there the Western men can get laid relatively easy as well.

The female mind is strongly solipsistic and explain shit like that to them is useless unless they are already somewhat open. And besides - who needs that - sluts are good and sluts are made for fucking. Don't piss into the well of sluts there.

[Jura]

Explaining all too often leads to arguing and when it comes to arguing with women, that's usually (atleast for me) a one way ticket to major headache land. Therefore, I try to stay away from that shit as much as possible. I'll make an exception with a LTR by droppig some red pill knowledge everyonce in a while. It gives you a chance to see how she reacts plus you're planting some seed into her mind.

But if we're talking about any other type of girl, I don't see the point of wasting your time.
This is how you view the world and the door is always there if she's not happy with that.

[HHH]

Here's the shortest way to explain it to them (after the wisdom of keys and locks of course):

Males and females are born with fundamentally different base skill sets. Equal doesn't mean the same. It means equal.

** Fucking is for women as fighting is for men. **

It's easy for a guy to get into a fight. It takes little effort on his part so, it's nothing special. It's not something to be proud of because: Any man can do it. In fact, it's generally frowned upon by society because a man who fights a lot is just exploiting his base physical nature. People instinctually recognize this and are unimpressed. He isn't trying to be anything beyond his animal self and is judged to be of low class.

Now replace guy with girl and fighting with fucking.

Equal but not the same.

[Fortis]

(04-09-2015 11:56 PM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  

This is one fundamental thing with women and has nothing to do with their famous madonna/whore complex that they bring out.

I've had some discussions lately with a female somewhat Red Pill blogger. And in the beginning she had trouble understanding that even a good-looking guy was not getting laid linke gang-busters. All she saw was the relative ease that he could attract female attention and she really believed that any 6+ looking man can get laid quite easily. For guys at 7+ she really thought that they could have a harem each day.

I explained to her that this is not the case, that most men struggle hard - even very good-looking 8s. Most bang below their weight when good-looking - fucking 6-7s. Then I told her that even if an 8 guy approaches 10 girls during Daygame or Nightgame, then the majority would reject them. If his Game was sub-par then even more.

I noticed that she started to incorporate that into her posts now, as she is quite Red Pill. But trying to teach that to women in the Philippines is probably more difficult, since there the Western men can get laid relatively easy as well.

The female mind is strongly solipsistic and explain shit like that to them is useless unless they are already somewhat open. And besides - who needs that - sluts are good and sluts are made for fucking. Don't piss into the well of sluts there.

Who is this blogger?

[Simeon_Strangelight]

(04-10-2015 12:48 AM)Fortis Wrote:  

Who is this blogger?

Lara Loveless: http://laraloveless.com/2015/04/09/matts-21st-birthday/

Here a post already incorporating as it seems some new perceptions.

[Disco_Volante]

It's evolutionary based on survival traits. Men wouldnt have the motivation and use their resources to protect offspring who weren't their own genetically.

Men are judged by their utility (accomplishments, social status, strength), women are valued by their ability to conceive and raise children.

That sounds harsh, but think of 8,000 years ago. Strong men had the best chance of survival.
The only thing stronger than a large man, is a group of people -hence, social status is also very attractive. If you are important to the group, women are attracted to you. In modern times this could be a quarterback, DJ, frat president, Doctor, etc....basically anything that groups of people like or approve.

Women had a significantly harder time surviving back then, so their primary value was child rearing and that's how our minds are still wired. Providing offspring for a strong man who could ensure her survival. It was extremely important whom a woman could get as her mate /protector /provider.
Women also have the increased vulnerability of being pregnant for 9 months....if they made a bad mating decision they could end up starving to death (thats also why women are better at reading people - so they can select a mate)It's only been within the past 70 or so years where modern technology has made life comfortable, safe and easy for everybody.

Notice how voraciously women cockblock their friends. They literally pull a girl away from you. On a deep level they realize female sexuality is more valuble than male sexuality because sex is womens' prime asset.

The only 2 crimes which dont have statutue of limitations are murder and rape. - society recognizes female sexuality as their most precious asset.
A woman who's a slut is less suitable because in evolutionary terms she's not really solely the property of the man she may now be linked with/married / has kids with.

A man wouldnt work to give resources to offspring which weren't his. Rules on female sexuality tried to help regulate that aspect.

Theoretically, if a modern woman never intended to get married or have kids, and wanted to be a career slut her whole life with no family, then really it wouldnt be bad at all. But given the massive amount women on anti-depressants, government safety nets etc, its clear modern women dont intend to survive on their own anyways, therefore their sexual integrity does matter lest she wouldnt find a suitable mate.

Obviously you see why women are pushing for more gov benefits to women, so they can act like complete sluts and cunts without any consequence as gov (male taxpayers) will be forced to support them anyways.

[Sollertis]

"Every single time a man sleeps with a lot of women, he’s called a stud. But if a woman sleeps with a lot of men, she’s called a slut, and people think this is unfair… Nah. It’s completely fair, and I’ll tell you why, alright? ‘Cause it’s fuckin’ easy to be a slut. It’s fuckin’ hard to be a stud. To be a stud you have to be witty, charming, be well-dressed, have nice shoes, and a fake job. To be a slut you just have to be there. There are fat ugly sluts out there, there are no fat ugly studs." Jim Jefferies

[Mage]

(04-09-2015 11:48 PM)Kamikaze Wrote:  

Of course they're shit-testing you. Everyone understands the difference between dicking 100 pussies and a pussy taking 100 dicks.

This.

They already know the answer. They just want to see how good your frame is. This is a shit test.

By trying to explain you risk two things:
1)Losing frame, not being able to repel some witty argument, procrastinating to answer.
2)Getting all nerdy and boring in your presentation of dry facts.

So don't explain, just stick to your opinion, don't lose frame.

Every woman will pretend she doesn't know why being a slut is worse then being a cad even if you explain to her after a month (or whenever her emotions tell her to) she will pretend she doesn't know again and will ask you again.

You can have a submissive bottom who cooks for you and seems to be happy with you sleeping around and who wholly shares your philosophy and greets you with warm food and blowjob after you return from another woman whom she knows about at three o clock at night - but when her hormones start dictating her to find a provider she will forget it all and throw tantrums of monogamy like she never heard your arguments before.

Women don't care about whether opinions are supported by facts. They care whether opinions are supported by strong men.

For men laws of nature (or God if one is so inclined) are the truth.
For women the laws of society set by alpha men (or mother hens if all men are feminized) are truth.
For children the laws set by their parents are truth.
This reveals the hierarchy of beings. Every lower level constantly shit tests the higher level to feel whether the truth is still the truth.

[Sombro]

(04-09-2015 11:25 PM)General Mayhem Wrote:  

Relevant


Let's get real though. There isn't much you can do to get a woman to objectively reflect on her own actions.

In other words:

High notch count male = valued
High notch count female = not valued
Low notch count male = not valued
Low notch count female = valued

It's not even a double standard — just the converse of the same standard.

[AntiTrace]

Short answer: you dont.

Long answer:

Look at every one of your points you attempt to explain. They all are centered on sex. By attempting to refute her point about getting laid by explaining why getting laid is easy for her and hard for men, you are subconsciously agreeing with her that yes, she could have slept with that dude that she just flirted with front of you and are validating her frame of being some sexy special little snowflake.



CAVEAT: the elephant in the room:

Quote:

Approaching other dudes in front of me to test my reaction, them coming back at me 'look, I can fuck that guy' is a typical example.

You need to upgrade your stock. By putting up with that shit you have already lost.




Back on topic. If you do choose to explain something to her, you have to do it on terms that validate your frame not her. On the rare occasion I have had conversation like this with women, I relate it back to core traditional values.

"The man is supposed be strong, a leader, and supportive of his family. He is supposed to be able to protect them and provide for him. The woman is there to tend to the children, manage the household, and keep the man happy. That is when a relationship is the most healthy, because each person has defined roles that have been decided over thousands of generations to be mutually beneficial to each.

When one party fails to meet their obligations, the relationship fails. When the man cannot put food on the table, teach masculine values and skills, protect them, stand up for them, then the woman will and should look for another man. When the woman fails to keep the house clean, the children fed, and be submissive to the man that is provding everything for her, the man should go look for another woman.

The mans role is to provide and protect, the womans role is nurture and sexually submit to the man. A female running around sleeping with everyone can not possibly provide for the mens children, and also runs the risk of becoming pregnant with someone else, which would be a waste of the mans resources to provide for. Also, a woman can not sexually satisfy a man if she is sleeping with multiple men at the same time. A man however can, but in most cases will not, sleep around with multiple women while simultaneously providing for his family given that the woman is keeping up her end of the bargain.

The problem with the alpha-slut problem is that the men are holding up their ends of the deal. An alpha male has the confidence, strength, and wealth to provide for and protect a family. A slut on the other hand, does not nurture nor submit sexually only to one man.

That is why being an alpha is high status, and being a slut is low status. It just so happens that women are naturally attracted to alphas because of their ability provide and protect, therefore alphas sleep with more women.

All a women has to do to satisfy a high-status male and ensure his protection and provisions is to be nurturing, exclusive, and submissive, in other terms, be feminine. If I'm going to be masculine, I expect the woman to be feminine.

In other words, a woman just simply needs to be a lady."


Those are the main points I hit when I have had this conversation. I don't let them interrupt me or offer counterpoints. It can nuke the hamster real fast, and can be used later down the road if she acts up again, all you to say is "That was extremely unfemine/unladylike of you, I am not impressed".

But again, normally the conversation isn't worth having. You generally gain nothing by trying to argue the sexual or relationship roles. The keepers are the ones that already agree with you, and the others ones aren't worth trying to change.

[jamaicabound]

This is an interesting topic. Granted I don't want to date some chick who's taken 200 dicks but at the same time can I really expect women to act like monks when I'm out fucking around? If that were the case and there were no sluts none of us would ever be getting laid, at least not casually and not ONS.

I think it all goes back to that Chris rock skit about how every guy who opens a door for a women is really saying " ya want some dick". Women have been conditioned from a young age to be somewhat selective or like you said they'd be fucking every guy they came across.

IMHO there's no denying there's a double standard so don't try to act as if there isn't but there's plenty more double standards that favor women than men so who cares...thats life.

As far as chicks who are sluts. I'm not a fan of the chicks who are all empowered and proud of being whores but at the same time I don't like chicks who act all innocent like they are someone they are not. Honestly I don't mind if a chick isn't a total whore but has fun and dates and does her thing and doesn't brag about it but at the same time doesn't play like she's some innocent flower.

[Pride male]

Don hate the player, hate the slut.

[Porfirio Rubirosa]

(04-10-2015 11:51 AM)Pride male Wrote:  

Don hate the player, hate the slut.

Admire the player and aspire to be like him; fuck the slut (if she's decent) and leave shortly thereafter.

[Pontifex Maximus]

No need to get philosophical about this shit. No need to get ideological or political either.

At any given time, men have billions of sperm, we are potentially infinite. We just take some zinc and can bust another 6 billion babies on her face in 20 min.

A woman is born with a finite amount of eggs. She has to do kegels to make sure those eggs are still fresh. If not, she has to settle with a sucker of a man pickling them.



We were made to rapture, she was made to be a welcome mat.

[Carboneraser]

There are loads of fat ugly studs. No fat ugly studs though (stolen from somewhere, can't seem to remember where)

[almohajem]

I once has this argument with a girl. I asked one single question:

"why does the women have a hymen?"

Whether you are a religious person or even an atheist. Women do have an hymen. The hymen has a purpose.

If they are religious. That's it. I win.

If you are not. I still win. Nature has already decided for us.

[AneroidOcean]

The key/lock explanation can work as well as a longer explanation involving how women like to be pursued and men like to pursue (men are the hunters, etc...), but usually a much simpler version will work:

"If I take the average plain girl and average plain dude and they go around asking everyone in their vicinity if they want to fuck, who is going to get almost all or all of the yes answers?"

That's why a guy who sleeps with a lot of women is a stud and a woman who sleeps with a lot of men is a slut.

[Fortis]

I would avoid explaining this to a woman; It is usually way too much for them. I haven't met a woman yet who can actually talk about female/male dynamics in a way that isn't total bullshit. Most women really believe that they can slut around on the carousel and then still come at a guy like she's a fresh 18 year old. They are just delusional and don't realize that taking a bunch of cocks over a period of years will erode their beauty.

[heavy]

Why explain...they'll never understand.

A woman saying she's good at getting guys is like a fat socially awkward guy with no friends saying he's good at sitting on the couch eating potato chips watching tv.

It sorta comes naturally.

[heavy]

Here's the deal. A woman being slutty isn't really her fault. I know, that's contrary to what we all think and normally write on here. You could probably find a snippet even from one of my posts that contradicts that. But hear me out.

Women are purely situational. This is why I don't slut-shame. I pity them, sure, but I don't shame them. Imagine this scenario:

You are an attractive 18 year old chic. Your mom never restricted your access to tv or social media, so you're an attention-whore with a threshold for dopamine is +100 likes and +6 comments. You've never been to church, and dad has never been much of a disciplinarian, so right vs wrong was based on your mom's emotional state at any given moment. Plus, your mom left your dad and ran his name into the ground, and your dad was a pussy who's working to pay off your mom's mortgage.

Layer on the fact that your attraction triggers are purely situational. Cute boys in school aren't based on whether they're bangable or not, but rather how the guys stack up to other guys...which is why they're situational. In high school this was the basketball or football captain. Maybe just that boy in a band who's really funny and had the balls to ask you to homecoming so you dated him.

But that was high school, where everybody always knows what's going on, including teachers and parents sometimes. But now you're a freshman in college, mommy and daddy (who's a loser anyway) live 3 hours away, the social group is no longer the class of 2015, but smaller ever-changing and always dynamic fragments of cliques, and most importantly, those situational attraction triggers are ever-changing. Your boyfriend Zach who is an unbelievable guitar player in the band doesn't look so manly when he's standing next to Brody, the 6'5 backup defensive linebacker.

In the dorms there's the guy who smuggles beer kegs in,
but there's also the smart guy who's funny and everyone asks for help,
or your roommates older brother who buys you vodka,
or your professor who smirks at you and teased you for forgetting the mass of H2O,
or the kid who's parent's are loaded and drives a BMW...

Besides the fact that every entertainment outlet is telling her she can do whatever or be whatever she wants in this world without judgement.

Society keeps you safe, makes you feel good, allows you a good job, gives you driving directions, doesn't judge your drunkeness or one-night stands.
...
And here's me. A 31 year old good looking guy with a great body standing in my humble apartment mixing her a drink. She turns 21 in 5 months, doesn't appear to work out, but at her age it doesn't matter. She has great curves, a perfect 7/10 waist to hip ratio, B cup tits, no fake tanning, soft, supple skin.

The advice and the truths of the world I'd love to impart, but that ship sailed long ago.

Don't excuse women for being sluts, but don't be too harsh on them either.