[dagon]

I could care less about marriage (in America marriage is a joke anyway)

As far as homos, I could care less.... I am too busy with my own life to care about what other dudes do with their penises.

[Amsterdamned]

the more gays,the better .

more woman for us .

[Goldin Boy]

(05-26-2015 06:08 AM)Amsterdamned Wrote:  

the more gays,the better .

more woman for us .

Legal recognition of gay marriages will have no effect on the aggregate amount of gays in a given society. They have always been there.

[DickDastardly]

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[dagon]

What I cannot comprehend it's why do we have some heterosexual males on this forum so concerned about gays and their sexual endeavors and their marriage?

marriage is a joke!! Look at the divorce rates, most people these days don't even marry!!!

as far as gay men having sex and getting together with one another, I could care less... they're not using my penis to have sex with each other, nor I am having to support their sexual encounters financially!

I honestly dislike the hypocrisy of having dudes traveling all over the world banging as many women as they can, but then they whine and complain because some lesbian or some gay dude wanna do the same with other lesbians or gay dudes.

let people be... live your life to the max because one day it will be over and let others do whatever they heck they wanna do with their own lives as long as its not affecting you.

a dude bonking another dude in the privacy of their bedroom doesn't affect me in any way!

and once again marriage is a social institution created by men so there is nothing holy about it

[DickDastardly]

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[dagon]

(05-26-2015 07:16 AM)DickDastardly Wrote:  

(05-26-2015 07:05 AM)dagon Wrote:  

What I cannot comprehend it's why do we have some heterosexual males on this forum so concerned about gays and their sexual endeavors and their marriage?

marriage is a joke!! Look at the divorce rates, most people these days don't even marry!!!

as far as gay men having sex and getting together with one another, I could care less... they're not using my penis to have sex with each other, nor I am having to support their sexual encounters financially!

I honestly dislike the hypocrisy of having dudes traveling all over the world banging as many women as they can, but then they whine and complain because some lesbian or some gay dude wanna do the same with other lesbians or gay dudes.

let people be... live your life to the max because one day it will be over and let others do whatever they heck they wanna do with their own lives as long as its not affecting you.

a dude bonking another dude in the privacy of their bedroom doesn't affect me in any way!

and once again marriage is a social institution created by men so there is nothing holy about it

NEWSFLASH: Other countries have different value systems to the US.

and you're telling me that? I haven't lived in the US for over twelve years now and I avoid Americans like the plague because to me most are phony, fake, pretentious and shallow!

gay marriage, no gay marriage (it doesn't affect me, I don't care), as far as God hahahahaha

[VolandoVengoVolandoVoy]

(05-26-2015 03:18 AM)Benoit Wrote:  

You asked me to consider the evidence of the far east but didn't specify what I was supposed to look for - successful atheist societies or failing religious ones?

Eskhander's post is a response to your dark ages comparison, and he's right to challenge the popular view of that time as suffering under religious repression - we don't have historical documents to say what it was actually like, but certainly there are enough records regarding the wider society at the time that to blame any decline solely on religion is a stretch.

Actually if you want to get a feel for what the dark ages were like, there is a truly wonderful book I highly recommend.

A Distant Mirror: The Calamitous 14th Century by Barbara W. Tuchman.

She was a genius, won the Pulitzer twice (Guns of August and Stilwell and the American Experience in China), and makes the essence of that time truly come alive.

A Distant Mirror is probably the finest work of history I have ever read. Superb.

[Guitarman]

The Irish catholic church isn't quite finished yet; http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-32856232

The referendum has enshrined gay marriage having equal rights to normal marriage in the Irish constitution, BUT has made it optional, not mandatory for the Catholic Church to carry out and bless gay weddings.

As the catholic faith considers homosexual activity to be a sin how long will it be before Irish gays have a push back against the priests, and try and force mandatory gay Catholic weddings???

[DickDastardly]

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[Grizzly Bear]

(05-26-2015 07:05 AM)dagon Wrote:  

...a dude bonking another dude in the privacy of their bedroom doesn't affect me in any way!

I remember being an idealistic teenager over a decade ago when I saw the image below and began putting two and two together:

   

"16 is just a start"

This if you are, understandably, unaware is a press photo taken during the build up to the lowering the gay age of consent from 18 to 16 in the UK. I'll leave you with your own conclusions of what 16 is just a start may mean, though I suspect it's rather sinister.

Oh, but they're just some protesting nutters. Their poorly misjudged placards or oddball views don't mean anything.

'OutRage!', the organisation who created the placards, is a prominent and successful LGBT group in the UK which has influenced legislature. The head of the organisation Peter Tatchell - an out mad marxist - pops up on TV every time a queer soundbite is needed for one cause or another. In short, they have power and influence.

Additionally, the orgs. website features (i.e. promotes) the image (http://outrage.org.uk/tag/age-of-consent/) and Peter Tatchell holds similar views:

‘What purpose does it serve other than reinforcing a set of increasingly quaint, minority moral values left over from the Victorian era?’ (http://www.matthewhopkinsnews.com/Shared...tchell.pdf – Adding to this, I believe one of his fellow contributors may have been a convicted child molester.)

...a dude bonking another dude in the privacy of their bedroom doesn't affect me in any way!

The same people who encourage the above are campaigning for gay marriage. Going for the, dying, throat of the Catholic Church and marriage is a satisfying next step for the cultural destroyers. Soon they'll have destabilized morality enough to feel confident in jumping fully into endorsing and encouraging paedophilia.

While my understanding of the world has led me to believe the West is done, an issue like gay marriage is worthy of debate because the logical end goal of what is on the table is unthinkable to me.

[VolandoVengoVolandoVoy]

(05-26-2015 07:47 AM)Guitarman Wrote:  

The Irish catholic church isn't quite finished yet; http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-32856232

The referendum has enshrined gay marriage having equal rights to normal marriage in the Irish constitution, BUT has made it optional, not mandatory for the Catholic Church to carry out and bless gay weddings.

As the catholic faith considers homosexual activity to be a sin how long will it be before Irish gays have a push back against the priests, and try and force mandatory gay Catholic weddings???

The Catholic Church cares first and foremost about money and power.

If they really wanted to root out homosexual activity, they would start with their own priests, about half of whom are closeted homosexuals.

However, they can't do that even if they wanted to (they don't want to, as the bishops and cardinals in charge are also fond of cock), because no one wants to become a priest these days, and if they got rid of homosexual priests and allowed no homosexuals to enter seminary school, they would not have enough priests to go around.

[dagon]

I am almost 40, I'll die in 40 years or so (If I live that long)

do you actually think I care about society and where it's going? hahahahaha

[Phoenix]

I take it you had no kids then. The ultimate reason any of us give a shit about the direction the world is heading is that we intend to reproduce into it.

[Simeon_Strangelight]

(05-26-2015 08:06 AM)dagon Wrote:  

I am almost 40, I'll die in 40 years or so (If I live that long)

do you actually think I care about society and where it's going? hahahahaha

It matters how you live your next 40 years.

It may not matter to you, but it matters to other people and their families.

The gay marriage issue is opposed by many of us not due to the fact that we want Oscar Wilde kind of imprisonment for just being gay. The issue matters because
- they push the gay and gender agenda,
- they hoist homosexuals ABOVE heterosexuals (try going before family court against one)
- they give opportunity to adopt children despite their unions being inferior (statistics show higher number of sexual & emotional abuse)
- militant lesbians are rampant in government, child care & family law positions (in the past they were sometimes called the shock-troops of feminism because they hated family & men)

Even if you personally hate the nuclear family, then all that hate and vitriol is useless in terms of civilization. The family structure gives a natural psychological structure for children despite all our attempts at trying to stamp it out - orphans crave parents and even half-orphans crave the absent father or mother. It works because that is how we as humans raise our young.

We have to set a line somewhere, otherwise it will be necrophilia and snuff movies sooner or later.

[Grizzly Bear]

Understandable.

Though if you care little about the society you live in why would you care about heterosexual males on this forum [being] so concerned about gays and their sexual endeavors and their marriage? After all, you did drop 200 words of what effectively was live-and-let-live support of gay marriage.

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...nor I am having to support their sexual encounters financially!

Had a read of your post again. You might be interested in this:

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It typically costs up to £7,000 a year to treat someone diagnosed with HIV and an average of £300,000 per patient over their lifetime with the disease. [On the taxpayer funded British NHS]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/health/n...e-NHS.html

But not all gays have aids!!!

But about 50% have sex outside of their marriage, which makes them high riskers (http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/29/us/29sfmetro.html).

This also shows you how seriously they take the institution.

[lush1]

(04-10-2015 01:21 PM)amity Wrote:  

As another RVFer said to me once 'Tradition exists for a reason'.
It exists because it works and has worked for generations for the good of society.

I would argue that Irish traditions when it comes to sex and marriage have not 'worked' at all.

[Handsome Creepy Eel]

While it's true that the marriage was destroyed primarily in the heterosexual realm, it's extremely naive to claim that gay marriages somehow will not further contribute to the breakdown of society and indirectly affect you.

- you are paying for expensive drugs that gays have to use en masse in order to survive their lifestyles
- you will be fired and lynched if you even meekly and politely voice in public any opinion that doesn't 100% approve of homosexuality
- the moral degradation involved in celebrating homosexuality easily spills over to other spheres, such as rape laws which are made by the same powerful lobbies

I could go on and on, but it's just naive to think that you will be unaffected.

[dagon]

(05-26-2015 08:17 AM)Phoenix Wrote:  

I take it you had no kids then. The ultimate reason any of us give a shit about the direction the world is heading is that we intend to reproduce into it.

I was smart enough to avoid kids

I thank my father for warning me!

I also suffered (thank God it's over) from a chronic physical condition that gave me five years of consistent physical pain and it changed me completely (now I know I am going to die one day and then be forgotten), so while I am alive and healthy I am just gonna enjoy the ride!!

The world is full of idealists that go nowhere, yeah fight against the current all you like.... just know you have an expiration date and when that date comes, you're gonna be buried somewhere, left to rot and eventually be forgotten, and the whole charade we call reality is going to continue to evolve without you and your ideals!!!

Humans take life as if they were gonna be around forever!

Now onto several points:

- Marriage is sacred....
please, marriage was established around the dark ages in order to tax people better, there is nothing sacred about it, it's just the government minding your business!

- Children will see bad examples....
Sure like the world is not f'ed up enough already!! Most kids grow up traumatized in their own homes because of their parents; so seeing two homos holding hands is not going to drive any of them into committing suicide!!! Most children have some form of psychological distress and is not homos causing it, it's their messed up parents the ones to blame!!!

I just don't go for hypocrite BS.... so many of you are on this forum looking to bang pussy and travel the world and have women of many different nationalities (that alone goes against any marriage value you might be trying to defend)

Many of you are bitterly divorced (so much for the sanctity of marriage HUH!)

just wake up, worry about your own lives and be productive to make your own lives better, STOP I mean really STOP! worrying about homosexuals banging each other

I just do not get why a straight male would get so worked up over what another dude is doing with his dick!!!

[lskdfjldsf]

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However, they can't do that even if they wanted to (they don't want to, as the bishops and cardinals in charge are also fond of cock), because no one wants to become a priest these days, and if they got rid of homosexual priests and allowed no homosexuals to enter seminary school, they would not have enough priests to go around.

There are better ways to phrase your point, "fondness of cock" has nothing to do with the number of priests.



30-50 million Catholics have been added to the U.S. population through immigration from Mexico and Latin America, accounting for the decrease in priests per person. Unless the Church can field a number of priests in line with immigrant population growth, the statistics will falsely suggest it's from a lack of supply. Enrollment at seminaries is actually going up along with an oversupply of clergy/laymen, suggesting the trend has reversed.

Globally, same picture. Catholicism is growing the fastest in Africa, and it'll take another few decades of restructuring to become a stable institution staffed by locals, rather than missionaries. Christianity in the general sense is growing fastest in China, expected to overtake the U.S. as the largest Christian country in only 15 years.

[Phoenix]

Dagon:
Lol, so basically your father warned you against a repeat of yourself? I wouldn't thank him for that, I'd tell him to go fuck himself.

Sure, I'll be buried somewhere, but by offspring my existence will be survived. I'm ok being just a generational link in a chain. I'm just fulfilling my obligation to maximize myself and cross-link with the best chain possible.

It is unsurprising actually that the gays echo your mentality. They are genetic dead-ends too, albeit without the element of choice.

[dagon]

(05-26-2015 08:23 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  

(05-26-2015 08:06 AM)dagon Wrote:  

I am almost 40, I'll die in 40 years or so (If I live that long)

do you actually think I care about society and where it's going? hahahahaha

It matters how you live your next 40 years.

It may not matter to you, but it matters to other people and their families.

The gay marriage issue is opposed by many of us not due to the fact that we want Oscar Wilde kind of imprisonment for just being gay. The issue matters because
- they push the gay and gender agenda,
- they hoist homosexuals ABOVE heterosexuals (try going before family court against one)
- they give opportunity to adopt children despite their unions being inferior (statistics show higher number of sexual & emotional abuse)
- militant lesbians are rampant in government, child care & family law positions (in the past they were sometimes called the shock-troops of feminism because they hated family & men)

Even if you personally hate the nuclear family, then all that hate and vitriol is useless in terms of civilization. The family structure gives a natural psychological structure for children despite all our attempts at trying to stamp it out - orphans crave parents and even half-orphans crave the absent father or mother. It works because that is how we as humans raise our young.

We have to set a line somewhere, otherwise it will be necrophilia and snuff movies sooner or later.

civilization: humans organizing each other hierarchically in order to better control manipulate and mess with one another!!!

I am too realistic for all these values BS

all those values are for narrow minded hypocrites

[dagon]

(05-26-2015 08:47 AM)Phoenix Wrote:  

Dagon:
Lol, so basically your father warned you against a repeat of yourself? I wouldn't thank him for that, I'd tell him to go fuck himself.

Sure, I'll be buried somewhere, but by offspring my existence will be survived. I'm ok being just a generational link in a chain. I'm just fulfilling my obligation to maximize myself and cross-link with the best chain possible.

It is unsurprising actually that the gays echo your mentality. They are genetic dead-ends too, albeit without the element of choice.

my father warned me against having children and talked to me about how fucked up western women are

YES I THANK HIM FOR THAT

I have lived an exceptional life thanks to him, traveled the world, seen things most have never seen, I would have never done any of this if I had married some woman and then pop babies with her!!!

about you and your children, good luck trying to "protect" your children from reality!! hahahahahahah I take they're small huh? Wait till they grow up and get exposed to the real world and then get back to me with all those values you have

just raise your damn children and stop caring about some homo sucking another dude's cock (it makes you look like some closeted fag who cannot get over his own sexuality)

If there is something I CANNOT STAND its hypocrites riding their high horses!!!

[dagon]

- MARRIAGE IS SACRED: This is coming from a bunch of divorced dudes on a rooshforum looking to bang as much pussy as they can (lets get real here now)
marriage was established around the dark ages in order to tax people better, there is nothing sacred about it, it's just the government minding your business and wanting to know who you're fucking!!!

- CHILDREN WILL SEE BAD EXAMPLE:
Sure like the world is not f'ed up enough already, turn TV on and the first thing that comes out it's kim kardashian (IF THAT IS NOT ALREADY FUCKED UP ENOUGH I DONT KNOW WHAT IT IS)

Most kids grow up traumatized in their own homes by their own parents anyway; so seeing two homos holding hands is not going to drive any of them into committing suicide!

I just don't go for hypocrite BS.... so many of you are on this forum looking to bang pussy and travel the world and have women of many different nationalities (that alone goes against any marriage value you might be trying to defend)

Many of you are bitterly divorced (so much for the sanctity of marriage HUH!)

just wake up, worry about your own lives and be productive to make your own lives better, STOP I mean really STOP! worrying about homosexuals banging each other

I just do not get why a straight male would get so worked up over what another dude is doing with his dick!!!

[Handsome Creepy Eel]

So now dagon is shifting from "world is great, just enjoy it and don't worry about gays" to "world is fucked up so don't procreate and gays won't affect you".