[WalterBlack]

(03-30-2015 05:09 PM)TravelerKai Wrote:  

Ahhhhh the memories.... I can live vicariously through you Walter. You are going to be the next gen China expert around here for sure. That reminded me of two ex gfs I had. Shit went down almost like that.

Thanks man, but I'm nowhere near as good at this as you RVF guys who have lived in China/Taiwan/Singapore and speak the languages.

You guys get Chinese pussy at the source, whilst I have to deal with the ones that made it to the US. We all know that the quality at the source is higher than anything in the US.

(03-30-2015 05:30 PM)Old Fritz Wrote:  

Lol @ "You hurt my my heart"

After 3 weeks she starts talking about a woman role and man's role? Talk about a lack of subtlety.

Do Chinese women really get "attached" that damn fast? At the very least, they seem to be pretty hell bent on locking down a provider. I don't know why any guy would consider getting married to any girl who gives it up that fast.

Not all of them do, just a few, but you can say this about all races.

One thing about Chinese FOB women is that they really want romance, flowers and all the rest of that bullshit. I'm not like that. I just tease them and bang them. Some are pretty naïve and think fairytale romances can come true for them.

She wanted me to make Valentines Day romantic for her and for me to take her out somewhere special. I'm not a faggot beta provider, so I didn't take her on Valentines Day...fuck that! I had only known her for 2 weeks at that point.

I could tell she desperately wanted me to put a ring on her finger the first time I met her. I played nice to get in her panties.

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(03-30-2015 04:27 PM)WalterBlack Wrote:  

I accidentally butt-dialled one of them last week when I was in a car with a woman. I hung up after 30 seconds. Later she called me back:

Her: WalterBlack, you called me, I tried talking to you, but I heard a woman’s voice. I think you must have a had a woman in your bedroom, right?
Me: How’s your new job?

She never mentioned it again. I never talk about my personal shit with women.

The funny thing is that the woman I referenced here thinks that Chinese women do not like Indian men. It would blow her mind if I ever told her what I’ve been up to. As far as she knows, I've never been near a Chinese woman!

[Fast Eddie]

(03-30-2015 05:35 PM)WalterBlack Wrote:  

You guys get Chinese pussy at the source, whilst I have to deal with the ones that made it to the US. We all know that the quality at the source is higher than anything in the US.

I'd say that depends. In my opinion, true "FOBs" tend to be higher quality than your average Chinese girl in China, since they almost always come from the upper classes. Depending on the girl they may be spoiled to some extent, but they are probably going to be hotter and smarter than a random girl you'll see walking on the streets of China.

Of course, that dynamic begins to reverse itself the longer they've been in the US.

[TravelerKai]

(03-30-2015 05:46 PM)Fast Eddie Wrote:  

(03-30-2015 05:35 PM)WalterBlack Wrote:  

You guys get Chinese pussy at the source, whilst I have to deal with the ones that made it to the US. We all know that the quality at the source is higher than anything in the US.

I'd say that depends. In my opinion, true "FOBs" tend to be higher quality than your average Chinese girl in China, since they almost always come from the upper classes. Depending on the girl they may be spoiled to some extent, but they are probably going to be hotter and smarter than a random girl you'll see walking on the streets of China.

Of course, that dynamic begins to reverse itself the longer they've been in the US.

Oh nooooo. They are not higher quality than the source itself. That's just crazy. That said, nice gems come over all the time. Walter, you have a whole lifetime to go over there someday. Never say never. It's not like you never traveled before at all and are afraid like some are. You came here from the UK for fuck sakes mate! Besides someone has to hit the niches. I wrote about gaming fobs in the US before in the past. It's not very hard for certain kinds of guys to make it work well.

[Fortis]

(03-30-2015 05:46 PM)Fast Eddie Wrote:  

I'd say that depends. In my opinion, true "FOBs" tend to be higher quality than your average Chinese girl in China, since they almost always come from the upper classes. Depending on the girl they may be spoiled to some extent, but they are probably going to be hotter and smarter than a random girl you'll see walking on the streets of China.

Of course, that dynamic begins to reverse itself the longer they've been in the US.

I don't know about that. There are tons of Asians (mostly Chinese and Koreans) where I am and they're mostly busted, brah. The quality in china looks way better. My theory is that these families have ugly daughters, so they have to bring them here, otherwise they'll be a super old spinster with no earning potential in china.

[WalterBlack]

(03-30-2015 05:46 PM)Fast Eddie Wrote:  

(03-30-2015 05:35 PM)WalterBlack Wrote:  

You guys get Chinese pussy at the source, whilst I have to deal with the ones that made it to the US. We all know that the quality at the source is higher than anything in the US.

I'd say that depends. In my opinion, true "FOBs" tend to be higher quality than your average Chinese girl in China, since they almost always come from the upper classes. Depending on the girl they may be spoiled to some extent, but they are probably going to be hotter and smarter than a random girl you'll see walking on the streets of China.

Of course, that dynamic begins to reverse itself the longer they've been in the US.

I was in the San Gabriel Valley (Chinese area near Los Angeles) a few days after I got back from Tokyo. Tokyo was on another level looks wise. I’ve never been to Shanghai, but purely based on numbers the same must be true there? The slutty hot club girls in China must almost certainly never make it to the US. The women I saw in Shenzhen and Dongguan were on average way hotter than the FOBs I've seen in the US.

Being based in a western country gives a distorted view of what's in the source country. E.g. in the US everybody thinks all Chinese are short, because most of the Chinese in the US are Cantonese, who are usually short. Very few of the taller northern Chinese people live in the US.

E.g.. The stereotype of an Indian in the US is that they look like this:



These type of Indians never make it to the US:

[Fast Eddie]

(03-30-2015 05:55 PM)TravelerKai Wrote:  

(03-30-2015 05:46 PM)Fast Eddie Wrote:  

(03-30-2015 05:35 PM)WalterBlack Wrote:  

You guys get Chinese pussy at the source, whilst I have to deal with the ones that made it to the US. We all know that the quality at the source is higher than anything in the US.

I'd say that depends. In my opinion, true "FOBs" tend to be higher quality than your average Chinese girl in China, since they almost always come from the upper classes. Depending on the girl they may be spoiled to some extent, but they are probably going to be hotter and smarter than a random girl you'll see walking on the streets of China.

Of course, that dynamic begins to reverse itself the longer they've been in the US.

Oh nooooo. They are not higher quality than the source itself. That's just crazy.

Can you explain that a little bit? Don't get me wrong, I completely agree that the vast majority of the world's top 10m Chinese women are all in China. But I will still maintain that if you were to take a random group of 100 Chinese-in-China 18-22 year old girls and 100 similarly aged FOB students in US universities, that latter group will contain far more high quality pussy.

China is still a poor country. Out of that random 100 girl sample more than 70% will consist of your migrant workers from Anhui province and the like. Those girls are for the most part not that good looking, and as a Westerner you will have nothing in common with them that you could talk about.

On the other hand, the FOB students will be from rich families. They'll have grown up with better diets and like in every country in the world, the rich are better looking than the poor. They will be better dressed, better educated, and more able to connect with you on a personal level than some girl who grew up poor and now works as a store clerk or a waitress.

But I've seen you drop some gold knowledge on China in multiple threads here, so I'm certainly interested in hearing why you think FOBs are worse than "locals." I haven't banged 100s of Chinese girls so I'm open to hearing more data points.

[TravelerKai]

(03-30-2015 06:11 PM)Fast Eddie Wrote:  

(03-30-2015 05:55 PM)TravelerKai Wrote:  

(03-30-2015 05:46 PM)Fast Eddie Wrote:  

(03-30-2015 05:35 PM)WalterBlack Wrote:  

You guys get Chinese pussy at the source, whilst I have to deal with the ones that made it to the US. We all know that the quality at the source is higher than anything in the US.

I'd say that depends. In my opinion, true "FOBs" tend to be higher quality than your average Chinese girl in China, since they almost always come from the upper classes. Depending on the girl they may be spoiled to some extent, but they are probably going to be hotter and smarter than a random girl you'll see walking on the streets of China.

Of course, that dynamic begins to reverse itself the longer they've been in the US.

Oh nooooo. They are not higher quality than the source itself. That's just crazy.

Can you explain that a little bit? Don't get me wrong, I completely agree that the vast majority of the world's top 10m Chinese women are all in China. But I will still maintain that if you were to take a random group of 100 Chinese-in-China 18-22 year old girls and 100 similarly aged FOB students in US universities, that latter group will contain far more high quality pussy.

China is still a poor country. Out of that random 100 girl sample more than 70% will consist of your migrant workers from Anhui province and the like. Those girls are for the most part not that good looking, and as a Westerner you will have nothing in common with them that you could talk about.

On the other hand, the FOB students will be from rich families. They'll have grown up with better diets and like in every country in the world, the rich are better looking than the poor. They will be better dressed, better educated, and more able to connect with you on a personal level than some girl who grew up poor and now works as a store clerk or a waitress.

But I've seen you drop some gold knowledge on China in multiple threads here, so I'm certainly interested in hearing why you think FOBs are worse than "locals." I haven't banged 100s of Chinese girls so I'm open to hearing more data points.

Basically the same reason Walter posted with those Indian women. Most Chinese that make it to the US, are rich. Like 95%+. All of them are egg headed, no offense. Science, engineers, programming, etc. Hard STEM stuff kind of people. When you actually get to China, you see everything. Their version of ditzy blonde bimbos that are dumb as fuck but super hot. You see lazy but hot broads. They dress for male attention. Many Chinese in the US dress like engineering majors.

Don't get me wrong, plenty ugly over there too, but you get the women that do not have a prayer's chance at ever getting to the US on their own merits and resources alone and there is alot of hot ones in there, that are far far more feminine than ones outside of China. Women outside of China do not need a man as much as ones in China do. It affects their dressing strategy, skirt length, high heel length, and everything in between.

Ever see the common observation that Chinese men are pussy or weak looking in the US? Go over there and you will be gravely mistaken. Grimy dudes. Got a 12 pack of abs, smokes, spits anywhere he wants, and pisses on the sides of buildings and will fight at the drop of a hat. No education and cannot read Mandarin. Those men never make it here, but they are all over the place there.

[TravelerKai]

(03-30-2015 06:06 PM)WalterBlack Wrote:  

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Being based in a western country gives a distorted view of what's in the source country. E.g. in the US everybody thinks all Chinese are short, because most of the Chinese in the US are Cantonese, who are usually short. Very few of the taller northern Chinese people live in the US.

Actually.... many are in Houston and New York. Although some you approach could be actually be tall and pale Taiwanese. Only by examining their clothes, can you sometimes tell. Other than that, yeah that is about right. Lots of Cantonese in the West Side for sure.

[Fast Eddie]

(03-30-2015 06:24 PM)TravelerKai Wrote:  

Basically the same reason Walter posted with those Indian women. Most Chinese that make it to the US, are rich. Like 95%+. All of them are egg headed, no offense. Science, engineers, programming, etc. Hard STEM stuff kind of people. When you actually get to China, you see everything. Their version of ditzy blonde bimbos that are dumb as fuck but super hot. You see lazy but hot broads. They dress for male attention. Many Chinese in the US dress like engineering majors.

Don't get me wrong, plenty ugly over there too, but you get the women that do not have a prayer's chance at ever getting to the US on their own merits and resources alone and there is alot of hot ones in there, that are far far more feminine than ones outside of China. Women outside of China do not need a man as much as ones in China do. It affects their dressing strategy, skirt length, high heel length, and everything in between.

Ever see the common observation that Chinese men are pussy or weak looking in the US? Go over there and you will be gravely mistaken. Grimy dudes. Got a 12 pack of abs, smokes, spits anywhere he wants, and pisses on the sides of buildings and will fight at the drop of a hat. No education and cannot read Mandarin. Those men never make it here, but they are all over the place there.

Yep, I've been to China a couple of times and lived there in total for nearly a year, and I agree with everything you wrote here. I think this debate isn't really a disagreement but rather the two of us are looking at the "question" in different ways. I'm probably being a bit too Aspergery in focusing on the meaning of "on average" if truth be told.

So yes, I see what you're saying. You're absolutely right, walking around on the streets of Shanghai will be far more boner inducing than chatting to FOBs in a finance class at Berkeley.

But FOBs do have their advantages. My ex GF, for example, had her parents buy my plane tickets and pay for everything to accompany her to China during summer break. One of her dad's friends was getting married for the 2nd time and he invited me to be one of the dudes who helps drink with the guests at the wedding, and I also got to attend his bachelor party. This guy is worth north of $300m and his buddy owned the club where the party took place, so it was a wild experience. So I guess what I'm saying is that FOB girls may not be as slutty and provocative as local girls angling for a husband, but they have other benefits, especially if you're trying to establish some Guanxi.

[WalterBlack]

(03-30-2015 06:38 PM)TravelerKai Wrote:  

[quote] (03-30-2015 06:06 PM)WalterBlack Wrote:  

[quote='WalterBlack' pid='990467' dateline='1427754939']

Being based in a western country gives a distorted view of what's in the source country. E.g. in the US everybody thinks all Chinese are short, because most of the Chinese in the US are Cantonese, who are usually short. Very few of the taller northern Chinese people live in the US.

Actually.... many are in Houston and New York. Although some you approach could be actually be tall and pale Taiwanese. Only by examining their clothes, can you sometimes tell. Other than that, yeah that is about right. Lots of Cantonese in the West Side for sure.

I used to bang an ABC with roots in northern China, she looked mixed white/Chinese, even though she's not mixed. She told me that there were very few of her kind in California.

She told me she surprised many Chinese people in the US over the years when she started speaking fluent Mandarin in of them. They didn't think she was Chinese.

(03-30-2015 06:24 PM)TravelerKai Wrote:  

Basically the same reason Walter posted with those Indian women. Most Chinese that make it to the US, are rich. Like 95%+. All of them are egg headed, no offense. Science, engineers, programming, etc. Hard STEM stuff kind of people. When you actually get to China, you see everything. Their version of ditzy blonde bimbos that are dumb as fuck but super hot. You see lazy but hot broads. They dress for male attention. Many Chinese in the US dress like engineering majors.

I once worked at a company with some Chinese FOB engineers and a lot of them are incredibly unfeminine. They never styled their hair, many never wore make up and dressed like shit. A few had short hair. They also had pretty gross eating habits. I could have gamed a few and possibly banged one or two but I wasn't even tempted.

The hottest girl there was a Taiwanese FOB who worked in corporate finance, but she ignored all non-Taiwanese people, including the mainland Chinese FOBs.

I tend to find that Taiwanese girls on average tend to take better care of their appearance. A lot of them (and Japanese women) follow the "never leave home without makeup" rule.

This is what I've heard from Chinese FOB and Taiwanese FOB women about make up:

Taiwanese FOB mentality: "I have to look nice all the time. I can't leave my house without makeup. People will think less of me if I don't look good."
Chinese nerdy FOB mentality: "I never wear makeup most of the time. I never wear it at work, why should I? I'm not trying to look nice for anybody. I don't think anybody cares. I only wear makeup at parties or weddings."

The Taiwanese seem have the same attitude about makeup no matter what type of background they have.

When I saw photos of the Chinese FOB engineers trying to looked dressed up at wedding parties, their make up looked so unnatural that they looked like clowns!

[aliciaduffys]

I have not find such kind of issues.

[WalterBlack]

Update to this post: [The original screenshots are in there, I don't know how to add them into this post]

(03-30-2015 04:27 PM)WalterBlack Wrote:  

I think many FOB women get emotionally involved way too early, this conversation is a with a FOB woman I banged about 2 months ago.

Look at the language she uses - this is only 3 weeks after meeting me! Prior to these screenshots in my other texts I used my typical excuse that we're too different to work long term, so we should stop seeing each other.:

After this she went radio silent for a week, then sent me pictures of herself in her underwear and then of her tits for me to remember her by (this same woman also goes to church on a weekly basis).

After another few weeks, she sent me a photo of her with her new hairstyle, asking me if I think she looks pretty. I said she looks nice and that was it. She wants me pretty badly, but I'm done with her.

Guys, I think I dodged a bullet by not seeing this woman anymore. She’s been sending me messages on Viber every few days for the last few weeks. She sent me some photos of herself in a Chinese dress that her new photographer boyfriend (if he even exists) to make me jealous.

The texts say that she was hurt by me, that she went see a counsellor about it. You can read the crazy between the lines.

Remember, we only met a few times FIVE months ago.

   

   

   

She tried calling me last night, obviously I didn’t pick up

[Simeon_Strangelight]

(05-08-2015 12:40 PM)WalterBlack Wrote:  

She tried calling me last night, obviously I didn’t pick up

Wrong timing, wrong phases in our lives - yeah her hottest party years are over. She wants to lock down a guy pronto.

She is following Sex and The City script feeling confident that she will meet Mr. Big at 33 and manage to marry him by 39 just like in the TV series - and everyone knows that the mid 40s are a great time for a mature woman to have babies.

[Dusty]

Excelsior posted this in the 10 thread, but it made me think of this thread.

An Asian girl juxtapositioning her sexuality with her little girly cutsie stuff.