Quote: (02-15-2015 01:36 PM)makaveli Wrote:
Killer was gang related, born and raised in Denmark.
Was known by danish police intelligence, PET.
Was released from jail 2 weeks ago for a stabbing in a train in november 2013..
http://ekstrabladet.dk/112/afsloering-he...en/5444324
The assholes in the France murders also had records, had been in jail, and were released.
I read a headline "Attacks start debate on Islam" Well, that's fine but you could start pretty easily by not letting guys with ADW (Assault with a Deadly Weapon) out in two years!! I've seen more rap sheets with ADWs that got these short sentences and even after years working in the system it never ceased to amaze me. 6 arrests, last one for an armed robbery and the guy got out in 1-2 years??!! ( This is a hypothetical case like many I've seen, not the particular case in Denmark) .
As someone who was working in the criminal justice system and looked at hundreds of rap sheets, this is the clearest failure point in both these cases. I've left the field, because no one will do the police state stuff needed to start locking up really fucked up kids when they're 16 or 17 for 30 years, and the cost savings needed to closely supervise assholes, with innovations like house arrest with bracelets you CANNOT CUT OFF are not here or not politically viable yet. People bitch about California being a police state, but I've seen the guys with long sentences and most aren't simply non-violent drug-dealers, they are major assholes and it's good they're in jail. They rape, carjack, set people's houses on fire, and mug people.
I've wondered for years in dozens of cases how people with a sequence of violent offenses , not just multiple offenses in one day or week, but an armed robbery in '94, illegal possession of a gun (with a felony record) in '98 ; commit a THIRD and MORE violent acts and get less than 3-5 years.
With really bad guys, that stuff happens BEFORE they're 20 or 22!
Then I finally see them in prison, with a long sentence, at maybe 24 for their first murder-- FINALLY now with a long sentence.
These broken characters are now identifying with "Islam" when they run around doing their mindless shit.
By FAR your best predictor is these incidents seems "prior history of violence." There's millions of Muslims in France and Denmark, many of whom have no violent history at all and are full citizens, there is no legal method to deport them and it would take years to do it, whereas the obvious warnings in individual cases are available now, as well as changes to immigration policy which CAN be done soon.
When you let someone into a first world country you are letting them into a relative paradise of freedom and trust compared to a shithole like Iraq or Egypt. That's why you are not there-- they suck. It should be REALLY FUCKING HARD TO get into countries where people spent CENTURIES establishing a system where the cops have limited power and and you actually have to be guilty to get put in prison.
The first thing they should do is start with 5-20 year sentences for second violent acts., Yes, that includes the 17 year old who stabs someone, including the ethnically Danish kid--there are ethnically Danish psychopaths as well. Cost savings ideas, like strict house arrest if they just get in fistfights, with electronic bracelets etc so you know when they are really recalcictrant would help.
If this guy had been under house arrest and hacked off his bracelet, at least there would have been an alert on him. With facial recognition cameras he might have been spotted. You see, it's not so easy, everyone screams "get tough" , except when it's THEIR kid--many of you probably got in fistfights when you were kids right,? And you weren't psychopaths, you were just "kids" so there should be an EXCEPTION for you right? That's what all these guys' lawyers say about them.
If you scream "police state" you'd be right, maybe you prefer the outcome we're getting now? It's why I got out of the criminal justice field, you can't do what's necessary to solve the problem because of politics. There is some balance, you can't execute every 13 year old who shoplifts something, but a 20 year old with three assaults should not be getting probation.
You'd have to "track" the characters headed this way by early history of school violence at 10, 12 years old to really prevent it, put them in restricted environments with close supervision, but people here and everywhere would be screaming "police state" were anyone to do what's necessary to stop this. You'd have to have "camps" for kids who can't stop getting in fights,starting at like age 10 and everyone screams "They're just kids."
I've seen all this from the inside and honestly I don't see a solution. No one will rein in the fucked up kids early enough so they don't have the chance to really wreak havoc, the willingness to use the spoon-to-be-available technology isn't there and genocide isn't a solution either.
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