[JoyStick]

"To the ladies out there, I want to be clear, I am not angry at you. You are just doing what you are genetically programmed to do. (If you don’t believe me do your own research, there are many papers out there which agree with my findings). "

He most likely knew about game already based on that quote above. He just had a woe-is-me attitude and rather kill himself instead of working on self improvement.

Being Asian and short wasn't the reasons why he wasn't successful with girls -- acting like a female was. He was basically a female with a penis. Posting a suicide note online and jumping off a building might be the epitome of attention whoring. I'm surprised he didn't take a selfie before he jumped.

[Only One Man]

I really hope there is a feminist blog commentary on this. Of course, they will blame this on a culture of "men feeling entitled to women" and "toxic competitive masculinity where a man's worth is based on how many women he can sleep with", and ignore the fact that most men like this really only want a nice, decently attractive girlfriend but can't get one.

They will never admit that self improvement and becoming more attractive to women would help men like this and instead say men like this struggle because of our white, heteronormative patriarchal culture.

[Impulse]

(02-10-2015 05:45 PM)Tuthmosis Wrote:  

Guys like us are the inheritors of the practical, non-commercial, regular-guy game mantle--the best, and maybe only, alternative to salesy Youtubers with actresses in their "real daygame" videos and expensive coaching packages. Yet we've lost sight of the important things.

Instead of spending so much energy talking about the apocalyptic "fall of civilization," the life-and-death struggle with "Social Justice Warriors," how "Muslim infiltration" is destroying "Western Civilization," and that restaurants being allowed to deny black people service is the "free market working as it should," we should focus on reaching guys like this, rather than trying to make some wholesale ideological change from our laptops. It may feel good to read and say something so unpopular and so verboten, but that short-term contrarian pleasure is siphoning energy--and sympathetic hearts and minds--from our little corner of the world. The wrong voices are getting louder, while the more articulate and pragmatic ones are getting fainter. We're not doing ourselves any favors by embracing an increasingly fringe status and heavy, even angry, tone.

The way to "win" is to bring in and help the men that this Brave New World is leaving behind--not just trying to say increasingly crazy shit so that we can remain opposite of what the "Cultural Marxists," "The Left," or the "SJWs" are saying.

Wouldn't this mean trying to convince men to swallow the red pill? From what I've seen in plenty discussions, one should refrain from handing the pill to men who refuse to help themselves. After all, not allowing a man to turn to it of his own accord increases the likelihood of regurgitation.

My revelation was a result of unrequited love by various women whom I'd only shown nothing but affection to; namely, a girl who sported a short hairdo and transformed into a raging bull-dyke. So it was when I came across your controversial article: Girls With Short Hard Are Damaged that I was mind-fucked by the accurate analysis of the short-haired female. Following my fourth straight reading of the article and my completion of the comment section, I delved into the archives of RoK and began my ascendance into enlightenment.

The issue with a man who is handed this information is that his experiences might hinder his acceptance of these harsh truths. If the inexperienced man lacks contact with the variety of women spoken of, he might interpret the articles as mere hatred rather than unadulterated truth. An article detailing the hazards of dating a fat girl might resonate with him, however, another speaking on the dangers of single mother might turn him away from the website due to his own experiences and beliefs.

Personally, I've attempted giving these types of men a dose of reality, but the forces of mass media, female deception and systematic indoctrination prevent me from reaching them. How exactly do we help these men effectively, breaking through the lies they've been fed for majority of their lives?

[Bizet]

I also don't feel sorry for this guy. In my opinion you can't complain about your lack of success with women until you've given it a real go. He could have joined a gym, lost the 2001 N'sync haircut and hit the streets cold approaching. The fact he used the race-card also annoys me. There are over 4 billion Asians on this planet, obviously they can get laid.

[POASTER]

Tuthmosis is right on. The more this forum becomes about "everything else" than about "travel" and "game" then it's going in the wrong direction and keeping people away.

[TigerMandingo]

I don't think being game-aware will necessarily cause a significant shift in a man's thought process. I think we overestimate how many "bluepill" guys there are out there. Many guys probably know that game leads to more success with women. We don't think they know because they don't use the word "game" and instead use terminology like "flirting" "seducing", which are core concepts of game itself. They may have a primitive understanding of how to deal with women, but it is an understanding nonetheless.

It's not like RVF has a monopoly on game advice. Type in "how to get better with women" into google and at the very least you'll come across hundreds of links filled with cliché rules about flirting with chicks, kino etc. This man may have just been a victim of some sort of mental illness, for all we know. No amount of reaching out or support would've saved him. You could've sat him down, forced him to watch 10 hours of in-field game footage, and at the end he would still call you a liar.

[SteveMcMahon]

This was a great final meal:

Quote:

400g Ribeye with a Donnington Cesear Salad, triple poked chips with lime pickle mayo side with a Coulston bassett stilton with pears and walnuts.

The man had good taste in food. You can't deny that.

And of course, he knew a bit about the preferences of women. Too bad he drew all the wrong conclusions from it.

First off: he seems to have had an obsession with white girls. Eh, why?


Not pictured: typical white girl from London

OK, the cock wants what the cock wants. But if you have a preference for, say, redheads, yet are having trouble hooking up with attractive redheads, do you:

A) Try smarter to find redheads, and/or
B) Bang blondes and brunettes in the meantime to educate your palate, or
C) Jump off a building?

London is the most cosmopolitan city on earth. It's full of girls of all races and nationalities. And pussy is pussy.


London

Was this guy at a SMV disadvantage compared with a 6ft 4" white hedge fund manager or an equally tall black corporate lawyer?

Absofuckinglutely. That's just reality, same as the slim 19 year old stunner with awesome rocking tits having an advantage over the 35 year old Plain Jane.

Does this mean he was incapable of finding a decent girlfriend?

No fucking way. Unlike women, men have much more freedom to improve our chances with the opposite sex, because girls aren't mainly interested in a man's physical attributes.

Being tall with big muscles helps, yes. Dressing well helps, and is easier to do than hitting the gym. Being famous is like being given the key to Slut City. All of these things are true, but...

But bitches are primarily drawn to men who give them pussy tingles, which is far more about attitude and confidence than any other individual factor. Lots of ugly short guys have sexy girlfriends because they have masculine swagger. Just walk into any nightclub to see the proof.

And he was only 39.

39 is old in woman-years. In man-years it's the prime of your life. There's no reason, with the right attitude and a bit of work on himself, why he couldn't have been banging tons of sluts.

He lived in a city with about 4 million horny women in it, for fuck's sake. Getting laid in a target-rich environment like that is like shooting pussies in a barrel full of pussy. With a dildo cannon. As long as you don't keep doing the same stupid betaboy shit and expecting different results.

Did he even try to improve his sex appeal to women before topping himself? Or work on his approach skills, so he could improve the odds? It doesn't look like it. Check out the Fedora of Involuntary Virginity:



Fedoras look great on Justin Timberlake, Pharrell Williams, and the cast of Mad Men. Mostly everyone else looks like this:


I saved you a bag of Doritos, M'Lady!

That's not a hat. It's a portable dehumidifier for vaginas.

Seems like this guy did nothing to help himself, got caught up in a cycle of despair because of it (making it even harder to attract women - they hate depressed men with no confidence), and took the stupid way out.

Poor bastard. Rest in peace.

[Lemmo]

(02-10-2015 06:47 PM)Cunnilinguist Wrote:  

This man may have just been a victim of some sort of mental illness, for all we know. No amount of reaching out or support would've saved him.

Exactly. The guy obviously suffered from depression. He'd been fantasizing about suicide for years despite a life of apparent ease that centered around food, drink and travel and left him with sufficient free time to indulge his depression to a disturbing extent (e.g., researching his various racial and dating theories). He chose to place the blame for his misery on his race, height, success with women and other external factors rather than acknowledge his mental health problems. The idea that "reaching out" to him so he could "learn game" would have mattered at all is ridiculous. Pussy does not belong on a pedestal where it is given credit or blame for a man's mental health.

[monster]

(02-10-2015 06:24 PM)kaotic Wrote:  

(02-10-2015 05:26 PM)monster Wrote:  

(02-10-2015 05:02 PM)kaotic Wrote:  

Call me an asshole for feeling this way, but I'm not going to feel sorry for him one bit.

He didn't want to improve himself, so he offed himself, that's his fucking problem.

This is IRT manifestation.

No remorse from me.

It's not a black and white issue like that.

How do you know he didn't want to improve himself?

He may very well have been continuously trying to improve himself. The forces of society however are against anyone trying to improve themselves and they may have bogged him down.

To say he was weak because he didn't want to improve himself is extremely ignorant.

To say someone is weak because he is unable to improve himself because he is unable to completely by himself is also ignorant. 99,9% percent of people need a support group to help them on the way and as I mentioned in the second post in this thread society doesn't provide "real" support groups that help a man to be a man.

Suicide sounds pretty black and white to me, you're dead or you aren't.

He chose to be weak and kill himself, that's why I have no remorse.

I never said he chose to be weak and stop self improving (I really doubt he did self improve much).

I'm talking about the act of suicide.

Then he literally attention whores his last meal and goodbye.

At least he didn't jump in front a moving truck to commit suicide and scar the driver for life...

People who have seen the redpill but are overpowered with the truth about reality because we've been force-fed the blue pill lie our whole lives are the ones who most need our help, sympathy and mentorship. The shackles of blue pill are the strongest forces of society because that [i]is[/is] society to keep everyone subservient and inline and it's very easy to be overwhelmed by them.

It's a shame that you look at people who've taken the redpill but feel it's too much as weak and cowards rather than people who could be our greatest assets if only we've reached out to them.

[Saladin]

Indian and Asian guys who have an extremely strong preference for white girls are typically very insecure about their race. They typically pedestalize white girls as well.

In any case no sympathy, I remember this one 5"6 Asian frat guy stealing a girl off me and making out with her. I was pissed but I was also awed by his balls and skills.

There's always a way. Even if you're in the bottom 1 percent of looks/height, there's probably some way to build up localized fame game and get laid with cuties.

[CJ_W]

(02-10-2015 04:30 PM)Lika Wrote:  

Wilkes McDermid, a London mini-celebrity food blogger jumped off a building after writing a final blog post:

Whoa. This guy made his money just form Blogging!?! Dude pretty much had a location independent income flow, and he just offs himself?! wow dude, wow. this guy could have done LOTS of awesome stuff with the blog, he could have gone to Russia, China, SEA, Aus, etc etc, and made tons of money blogging the food scenes there. . .

He could have made himself B I G. dude could have learned game in his spare time. . .

ok. I'm going to become a blogger, Fuck this noise, can't believe this dude threw all of that away like that Fuck!

(02-10-2015 05:45 PM)Tuthmosis Wrote:  

In before the litany of attention-whoring bitches steps up to say they "would have dated him a second!"

(02-10-2015 04:55 PM)Veloce Wrote:  

If he would have spent half as much energy on game as he did food blogging, he could have at least had a mini-harem of 6s. Enough to satisfy his yearnings for female contact.

But of course, game is pua and pua is creepy and creepy makes girls uncomfortable and girls being uncomfortable is illegal. I believe the stigma against game is strong enough to keep men away from the tools that would drastically improve their lives and happiness.

While I'm the first to say that game and the manosphere are unfairly demonized--and that poor guys like this blogger are the collateral damage of that characterization--we're also partly to blame. Guys like us are the inheritors of the practical, non-commercial, regular-guy self-improvement (game) mantle--the best, and maybe only, alternative to salesy Youtubers with actresses in their "real daygame" videos and expensive coaching packages for sale. Yet we've lost sight of the important things.

Instead of spending so much time and energy talking about the apocalyptic "fall of civilization," the life-and-death struggle with "Social Justice Warriors," how "Muslim infiltration" is destroying "Western Civilization," and that restaurants being allowed to deny black people service is the height of the "free market working as it should," we should be focusing on reaching guys like this. Rather, I find us (rather foolhardily) trying to make some kind of wholesale ideological change from the comfort of our laptops.

I, for one, think we're losing focus. This is a good reminder of that.

You're on to something, I've been feeling like this for years really. Maybe I'll start a blog on just how to be a man or something. Things are starting to come together lifestyle wise so I may have more time in the next couple months or so to do this.

Personally, I think the forum would do better without the "Everything Else" section or at least restrict thread creating rights in that section to like 10-15 veterans or something with high rep points, and at least a year of being on the forum. With a cleaning out of all the negative unfocused trash posts/threads there. I think that section attracts too many trolls, sjw shills, government shills, and angry guys that don't get out of the "Anger" stage of learning about how the world really is.

What could happen to that section is that Roosh or Tuth can make a sticky succintly laying out all the necessary Truths about feminism, game that we know of and just lock the thread, have it part of the necessary "read this" section of the forum along with the rules. Guys can just read that, accept what's going on and then be directed either to Bang or the game/lifestyle/health parts of the forum.

Hell, there's SO much information on these forums and on ROK that it can really turn this forum into something amazing, and refocus ourselves immensely. If I got paid for that I'd take that on myself heh.

[kaotic]

(02-10-2015 07:12 PM)monster Wrote:  

(02-10-2015 06:24 PM)kaotic Wrote:  

(02-10-2015 05:26 PM)monster Wrote:  

(02-10-2015 05:02 PM)kaotic Wrote:  

Call me an asshole for feeling this way, but I'm not going to feel sorry for him one bit.

He didn't want to improve himself, so he offed himself, that's his fucking problem.

This is IRT manifestation.

No remorse from me.

It's not a black and white issue like that.

How do you know he didn't want to improve himself?

He may very well have been continuously trying to improve himself. The forces of society however are against anyone trying to improve themselves and they may have bogged him down.

To say he was weak because he didn't want to improve himself is extremely ignorant.

To say someone is weak because he is unable to improve himself because he is unable to completely by himself is also ignorant. 99,9% percent of people need a support group to help them on the way and as I mentioned in the second post in this thread society doesn't provide "real" support groups that help a man to be a man.

Suicide sounds pretty black and white to me, you're dead or you aren't.

He chose to be weak and kill himself, that's why I have no remorse.

I never said he chose to be weak and stop self improving (I really doubt he did self improve much).

I'm talking about the act of suicide.

Then he literally attention whores his last meal and goodbye.

At least he didn't jump in front a moving truck to commit suicide and scar the driver for life...

It's a shame that you look at people who've taken the redpill but feel it's too much as weak and cowards rather than people who could be our greatest assets if only we've reached out to them.

That's the problem, I don't think this guy even had a glimpse of red pill views, he kept trying to do whatever he did with women, over and over (insanity) and got the same results.

How many times have men led other men to the water only for them to refuse to drink and reject it ?

Sure maybe slightly nudge them in the right direction.

There have been countless tales on RVF where a friend introduces another friend to the red pill, then the friend rejects it AND his friend.

Yeah I get reaching out to them, we should be a resource, a support group, but what happens when a man completely rejects what we teach and know about the world ?

[the virgin chronicles]

This is why I hate it when people mock Mystery/RSD for saying looks don't matter. "Looks don't matter" is a very useful mindset for guys getting into seduction. Is it literally true 100% of the time? No. But in general:

If you have the mindset that you can seduce girls better than your race/looks will allow you to, you can make it so. In fact, I'd say you're almost guaranteed to beat your own expectations if you put in a good effort (your expectations are most likely low).

Don't entertain people that try to tell you what kind of girls you can get. They don't know and neither do you.
You will find out only after you try.

[Tengen]

Guess he didn't read this thread - Chinese Man’s Life with Beautiful Ukrainian Wife Envied

[CJ_W]

(02-10-2015 07:47 PM)the virgin chronicles Wrote:  

This is why I hate it when people mock Mystery/RSD for saying looks don't matter. "Looks don't matter" is a very useful mindset for guys getting into seduction. Is it literally true 100% of the time? No. But in general:

If you have the mindset that you can seduce girls better than your race/looks will allow you to, you can make it so. In fact, I'd say you're almost guaranteed to beat your own expectations if you put in a good effort (your expectations are most likely low).

Don't entertain people that try to tell you what kind of girls you can get. They don't know and neither do you.
You will find out only after you try.

Thing is, that guy was SO SOOOO SOOOOOOOOO close! to having his dream life! Dude was able to make money just writing about food! FROM HIS LAPTOP! He could have leveraged that into a world-wide, Jet-Setting food critic, AND ANNND his body was Oh so close to being something that would attract women without worrying about race! Dude could have just worked out for two months and seen some crazy ass results! the fact that he was SO CLOSE is what gets me! This is what makes it sad. Guy pretty much had the world at his fingertips and didn't even know it!

[zombiejimmorrison]

He must've known about seduction and the game, I knew about it when I was 14 way back in 2005. He marinated in his depression, obsessing over height and ethnicity for years. Rok and rooshv are the last game forums I found.

I knew about David D, Mystery, The game in my teens never really approached girls but I did learn some basic concepts of attraction, frame, body language and how not to be a chode. I believe this guy just rejected the truth about women and no amount of reaching out would've helped him. Smart guy with an internet business should've come across something that would've helped in getting girls.

[El Chinito loco]

The simple fact that's been repeated over and over again on this forum and in most sensible parts of the manosphere is that liberal SJW type thought is very harmful for men. This is true and it's even more harmful for minority men. The reason being is that SJWs and other liberal causes (including feminism) use minority men as convenient pawns. Feminism is first and foremost about status quo for white upper class women. A lot of SJW causes have their own distinct racial and gender orientated hierachies. A lot of minorities fall into the liberal activism trap and feel that they are going to be part of something inclusive..it's all bullshit. Liberal activism as a whole is always looking outward to blame others or it has a certain deterministic outlook , it is never inward looking or about self improvement. When you are constantly soaked in the victim ideology you end up with a fatalistic negative outlook on life and yourself.

If this simp found game or the manosphere he might have woken up and took a deeper and more meaningful look into how SMV works, his lifestyle, and personality. There may have been fundamental things he would be able to change or at least he would have gained enough knowledge to know that not everywhere in the world is London. His social circles probably exacerbated his beta self defeating behavior. He may have had clinical depression but with the right kind of support (pussy and good lifestyle advice) he could have come out of his slump. Instead he was probably surrounded by man hating feminists and SJWs constantly brow beating him with awful relationship advice and probably telling him to "man up" in all the wrong ways.

[therajraj]

Reminds me of this chart that's passed on 4chan

[Glaucon]

I am on the opinion some people can not be helped. He was just too far gone.

[Mujeriego]

If this guy was a local celebrity why didn't he just bang groupies? I'm sure there was some chubby food truck chasing girl that would have laid some pussy on him for bragging rights. If I were him I would have cruised the comments section of his website and messaged the girls with some bullshit to get them out for drinks.

[trian1]

Side note -- was the apparent two years difference in his "reasons" and his last note a posting error? Or had he been compiling the reasons for exactly two years? He obviously spent time researching his reasons page.

[Seamus]

(02-10-2015 05:45 PM)Tuthmosis Wrote:  

Instead of spending so much time and energy talking about the apocalyptic "fall of civilization," the life-and-death struggle with "Social Justice Warriors," how "Muslim infiltration" is destroying "Western Civilization," and that restaurants being allowed to deny black people service is the height of the "free market working as it should," we should be focusing on reaching guys like this. Rather, I find us (rather foolhardily) trying to make some kind of wholesale ideological change from the comfort of our laptops. It may feel good to read and say something so unpopular and so verboten, but that short-term contrarian pleasure is siphoning energy--and, more importantly, sympathetic hearts and minds--from our little corner of the world. The wrong voices are getting louder, while the more articulate and pragmatic ones are getting fainter. Don't get me wrong: there's nothing wrong with a bit of social commentary, and taking unpopular opinions; I've always supported that. But we're not doing ourselves any favors by embracing an increasingly fringe status and heavy, even angry and uninformed, tone.

I agree 100% with Tuthmosis' post. I love this forum, but I get turned off by the extreme views and angry ranting sometimes. At the end of the day the RVF in my mind is about helping people improve their lives, and the rest of it is just filler. Thanks to Roosh's work and some posters on here I've improved my closing ability with women, got great life advice in a trying moment, have improved my health, etc. I wish this guy could've done the same.

That said, I'm not sure I'm doing my part either. I know people like this guy in my work, but it's hard to gauge who's open to red pill advice and who's not. Since guessing wrong has consequences, I usually stay quiet.

[Easy_C]

(02-10-2015 07:47 PM)the virgin chronicles Wrote:  

This is why I hate it when people mock Mystery/RSD for saying looks don't matter. "Looks don't matter" is a very useful mindset for guys getting into seduction. Is it literally true 100% of the time? No. But in general:

It's contradicted by his own teachings. How can you say looks don't matter and then immediately turn around and tell guys to dress in a garish manner designed to ensure they get attention?

[Lemmo]

(02-10-2015 09:20 PM)Seamus Wrote:  

(02-10-2015 05:45 PM)Tuthmosis Wrote:  

Instead of spending so much time and energy talking about the apocalyptic "fall of civilization," the life-and-death struggle with "Social Justice Warriors," how "Muslim infiltration" is destroying "Western Civilization," and that restaurants being allowed to deny black people service is the height of the "free market working as it should," we should be focusing on reaching guys like this. Rather, I find us (rather foolhardily) trying to make some kind of wholesale ideological change from the comfort of our laptops. It may feel good to read and say something so unpopular and so verboten, but that short-term contrarian pleasure is siphoning energy--and, more importantly, sympathetic hearts and minds--from our little corner of the world. The wrong voices are getting louder, while the more articulate and pragmatic ones are getting fainter. Don't get me wrong: there's nothing wrong with a bit of social commentary, and taking unpopular opinions; I've always supported that. But we're not doing ourselves any favors by embracing an increasingly fringe status and heavy, even angry and uninformed, tone.

I agree 100% with Tuthmosis' post. I love this forum, but I get turned off by the extreme views and angry ranting sometimes. At the end of the day the RVF in my mind is about helping people improve their lives, and the rest of it is just filler. Thanks to Roosh's work and some posters on here I've improved my closing ability with women, got great life advice in a trying moment, have improved my health, etc. I wish this guy could've done the same.

That said, I'm not sure I'm doing my part either. I know people like this guy in my work, but it's hard to gauge who's open to red pill advice and who's not. Since guessing wrong has consequences, I usually stay quiet.

So the fact that a severely depressed person with a long history of suicidal thoughts kills himself is not the result of mental illness but was instead due to a sub-forum at RVF including opinions with which some disagree and therefore doesn't create a warm and welcoming environment?

I may attend the next meeting of the APA to share these conclusions. Every time someone describes a treatment for a mental illness, I'll just shout them down. "Wrong. Guy just needs to learn game, score some sweet pussy brah."

[the virgin chronicles]

Just another thought: I find it kind of crazy that this guy was only able to talk about how fucked up the dating market is in his suicide note. He bottled it up until the very end. What if he had just made his thoughts known earlier? He probably would have gotten so much flak for it from SJW Foodies, but he also would might have gotten some honest answers.