[chamele0n]

I find Taiwanese women a complete disaster. Much like puritan Americans, they are not open to being opened with daygame in public. Winston Wu in his articles seems to hit the nail on the head about them. You are basically limited to who you work/study with for dating unless you do the personals websites, etc., which I don't. That eliminates 99.9% of women.

Has anyone here lived in both Taiwan and Mainland China to compare the girls' approachability? Some people say that on a basic level both of these places have a crappy Chinese Confucianist culture so theoretically the mainland women would also be conservative when it comes to dating, but because mainland China is currently in a state of economic flux and boom, that women are a bit more easy-going and easier to date and lay than the Taiwanese.

Is it also common for women in mainland China to have this annoying habit of following your lead when you open them with daygame and following you around on instadates because they think it's rude not to respond to your lead and then never respond to your texts/calls later? It's really irritating investing two hours in an interaction thinking you are on to something when the girl does not have a slight interest in you.

Are the mainland chicks at least a little less conservative?

[atlant]

Sorry but your rant became impossible to take seriously once you mentioned Winston Wu. For the ones unaware, it's a fat unemployed ABT slob that lives with his parents in Taiwan and looks like this:



He then spends all his day writing about how terrible Taiwanese girls are because they don't want to have anything to do with him.

Back on topic, if your game is good then you will have no problem daygaming in Taiwan, we have several guys here cleaning it up with daygame, although I'm not into it personally.

I find it hilarious how you put all the blame on the girls here, if you can't figure out if a girl is interested in you or not AFTER TWO HOURS then your game is shit, period. You seem to be frustrated that Taiwanese girls are not jumping on your dick the instant you open them on the subway. Asian societies will never work like that, sorry.

[chamele0n]

(01-23-2015 11:54 AM)atlant Wrote:  

Sorry but your rant became impossible to take seriously once you mentioned Winston Wu. For the ones unaware, it's a fat unemployed ABT slob that lives with his parents in Taiwan and looks like this:

He then spends all his day writing about how terrible Taiwanese girls are because they don't want to have anything to do with him.

Back on topic, if your game is good then you will have no problem daygaming in Taiwan, we have several guys here cleaning it up with daygame, although I'm not into that.

I am not putting the blame on the girls. I do understand basic societal conditioning and I understand that most women will act similar to other women in their society. If that conditioning does not allow for cold approaches, that's a crappy society in my opinion and it does not have anything to do with my game. I do not like to waste energy on women that do not appreciate my approaches and consider me a creep for approaching in public from the get-go.

As about the Wu dude, I don't get all the crap he is getting. Yeah, he is not a model or a good PUA, but he makes a valid analysis when he compares different countries. He goes into a lot of cultural detail to validate his points about the women's unapproachability in Taiwan. And the points he makes coincide with my experience regarding different aspects of Taiwanese culture.

I usually tend to discard guys that seem bitter about a particular country but he seems to have a pretty spot-on analysis of some other countries I am familiar with. Something like this:

Quote:

People who are truly "open" will freely engage in chat with others in a relaxed manner. They will not be stuck up, uptight, cliquish, closed or standoffish, like the young Taiwanese generation is. There are many foreign countries where young people are truly open and engaging - such as Russia, Ukraine, Eastern Europe, Latin America, Southeast Asia, etc. but Taiwan, Japan and America are not among them.

So who gives a crap if he is a model or a chump. As long as he can compare approachability levels in different countries, what does it matter if he is a stud or a dud?

(01-23-2015 11:54 AM)atlant Wrote:  

Asian societies will never work like that, sorry.

If you claim Asian societies "will never work like that", then you have to work on your game and/or you are not well-traveled around Asia. There are places where you can do some numbers game and cold approaching in public and get laid the same day (I am not talking about hooker spots like some areas of Thailand).

[atlant]

He does not have to be a model. But no half-decent girl will want to be seen with an unkempt sweaty fat guy twice her age who has no idea about how to run a normal social interaction. Just as approach experiences from extremely good looking guys have to be taken with a grain of salt, this also goes for the other end of the spectrum, and this matters doubly so in a country like Taiwan where the concept of face is a thing.

I don't know how long you've been here but it should be obvious that yes, Asian societies on average are more closed off to the idea of talking to strangers in public and daygame is tougher in these places. As I said, some people here still make it work, so it's far from impossible. Since the situation seems to frustrate you to the degree that you call these societies "crappy", I gotta wonder why you're still here then?

Also, do you speak Chinese? A lot of girls are simply embarrassed about their English ability. They open up and relax in a miraculous fashion once they realize they're talking to someone fluent in Chinese.

Quote:

There are places where you can do some numbers game and cold approaching in public and get laid the same day

Sure. Taiwan is one of them. I did say "jump on your dick" though, and that implies the kind of immediate enthusiastic response you'll mostly only find in SEA unless your game is up to the task. So when are you buying your plane ticket?

[TravelerKai]

Atlant nailed it. I won't belabor the same points. If you want to know more about Mainland Chinese women, read my Dating guide in my signature.

You need to learn how and where to daygame. The subway while people are trying to go to work early in the morning sucks for daygame. Hanging out near universities and parks in the middle of the day or on a weekend is excellent for daygame. Mandarin skills are a must especially for openers and basic coordination towards getting a QQ or Wechat number. After you get the QQ number you can use the translation tools in the software. Check out her friends list and pipeline the shit outta them. You could pull 5's and 6's that are more eager and pipeline the hot cousin/classmate that is an 8 from their friends lists.

Use the "I am lost, could you please help me?" setup and ask cute girls for help using the best Mandarin you can use to ask for instructions and have a map or phone with GPS map out. If they are nice to you ask them for a QQ number after they help you find something. I have used this a couple times and it fucking works like a charm.

Use the RVF game techniques in the threads for China and Taiwan. Lots of datasheets with specifics on how to approach or collect numbers correctly.

Once you nail down your phrases and how to approach them it becomes almost too easy, but you need to get better at setting up the interaction. Preparation is key.

Are a Russian? I'm just looking at your profile. If your English is good enough to write with us, does it sound well verbally to them? Think about your accent as well. Many English speakers in China learn from American or UK style accent study materials. Your accent could be causing them to be cold with you.

[chamele0n]

(01-23-2015 02:04 PM)TravelerKai Wrote:  

You need to learn how and where to daygame. The subway while people are trying to go to work early in the morning sucks for daygame...

Use the "I am lost, could you please help me?" setup and ask cute girls for help using the best Mandarin you can use to ask for instructions and have a map or phone with GPS map out. If they are nice to you ask them for a QQ number after they help you find something. I have used this a couple times and it fucking works like a charm.

Use the RVF game techniques in the threads for China and Taiwan. Lots of datasheets with specifics on how to approach or collect numbers correctly...

Once you nail down your phrases and how to approach them it becomes almost too easy, but you need to get better at setting up the interaction. Preparation is key.

Are a Russian? I'm just looking at your profile. If your English is good enough to write with us, does it sound well verbally to them? Think about your accent as well. Many English speakers in China learn from American or UK style accent study materials. Your accent could be causing them to be cold with you.

As far as you know, I don't "need to learn" anything. You have solid tips and I'm sure that I could learn a lot from you on gaming in China in another thread, but your post is off-point. Please re-read the OP. The OP was not asking for critique on "how and where to daygame," my English accent, QQ, Mandarin ability, or whether anyone approves of the fact I don't like prudish Confucian culture. I've daygamed probably thousands of women and know "game" and "how it's done," including in Asian cultures, quite well. The point of the thread was whether there was a difference in approachability between Taiwanese and Mainlander women.

Also off-point is the fact that you seem to assume I don't know what I am doing and that I suck at daygame. "Subway" was the example of daygame brought up by atlant, not by me. I don't rely on subway approaches for my lays. The fact that I am asking guys that have been to both Taiwan and China whether PRC is a better market with more approachable women does not mean I am asking for patronizing unsolicited tips on game. I could tutor 90% of guys on here on gaming Asian women.

[chamele0n]

(01-23-2015 12:17 PM)atlant Wrote:  

He does not have to be a model. But no half-decent girl will want to be seen with an unkempt sweaty fat guy twice her age who has no idea about how to run a normal social interaction. Just as approach experiences from extremely good looking guys have to be taken with a grain of salt, this also goes for the other end of the spectrum, and this matters doubly so in a country like Taiwan where the concept of face is a thing.

Again, if he is doing good with women in some countries and not good in others and explains the differences, it does not matter how he looks. He claims to do well in Latin America, Philippines, Russia, etc., so you can already learn something, you can conclude that women in Latin America, Philippines, or Russia are more approachable to the point of being nice to an unkempt sweaty fat guy whereas those in Taiwan have a concept of "face" and would not be seen with one. Hence, women in LA, Philippines, Russia would therefore be said to be more approachable that the Taiwanese. Learn to extract value from posts by guys like him. If you don't know how to do that, don't criticize other people that do know how it's done.

His articles would have no value to me if he was just posting rants on a single country, it would be a subjective possibly bitter opinion of perhaps someone not good-looking or without good game. But the fact that he is able to compare if he does well in various countries does have value. I like to hear what a good-looking guy has to say when he talks about where does better just as I like to hear what a slob has to say when he talks about where he finds women more approachable.

[Octavian]

(01-23-2015 11:34 AM)chamele0n Wrote:  

I find Taiwanese women a complete disaster. Much like puritan Americans, they are not open to being opened with daygame in public. Winston Wu in his articles seems to hit the nail on the head about them. You are basically limited to who you work/study with for dating unless you do the personals websites, etc., which I don't. That eliminates 99.9% of women.

Has anyone here lived in both Taiwan and Mainland China to compare the girls' approachability? Some people say that on a basic level both of these places have a crappy Chinese Confucianist culture so theoretically the mainland women would also be conservative when it comes to dating, but because mainland China is currently in a state of economic flux and boom, that women are a bit more easy-going and easier to date and lay than the Taiwanese.

Is it also common for women in mainland China to have this annoying habit of following your lead when you open them with daygame and following you around on instadates because they think it's rude not to respond to your lead and then never respond to your texts/calls later? It's really irritating investing two hours in an interaction thinking you are on to something when the girl does not have a slight interest in you.

Are the mainland chicks at least a little less conservative?

That's funny, I found Taiwanese women to be much more open and approachable than Mainlanders. I can't compare daygame in both locales, but Taiwanese girls are very approachable at night. I'd be surprised if they were standoffish during the day.

You can get by with less Mandarin in Taipei than you can in any Mainland city, perhaps Shanghai excepted.

As far as dating and laying is concerned, I'd still probably give the nod to Taiwanese girls. They are on the whole better looking and more stylish, with less acne and teeth problems. They are also just more DTF, I think.

If you're on the Mainland, you'll want to focus on girls who are in first tier cities but born elsewhere. They don't live with their parents and are more inclined to let loose.

[Dagnasty]

OP, your tone doesn't sound like you're looking for advice.

Do you speak Mandarin?

Perhaps SEA would be better for you.

Despite what folks in SEA might say, gaming East Asians is not on the same level as gaming South East Asians.

I'll be waiting for the "I just banged out 200 South Koreans/Chinese/Taiwanese/Japanese/Singaporean/Hong Kong chicks in 6 weeks" thread but I am telling you now, that isn't going to happen.

[chamele0n]

(01-23-2015 06:58 PM)Octavian Wrote:  

That's funny, I found Taiwanese women to be much more open and approachable than Mainlanders. I can't compare daygame in both locales, but Taiwanese girls are very approachable at night. I'd be surprised if they were standoffish during the day.

There is a common misconception that the Taiwanese are more approachable because they are more cultured but I still prefer dealing with mainland girls because they are more genuine, despite not being as preoccupied with their looks and looking "hello kitty" sexy.

Being polite in Taiwan is a bit different from being approachable. They're rarely standoffish. They'll be polite to your advances and follow you around like a puppy all day, without ever considering you as a potential romantic interest. That spot in their mind is only reserved for someone they've been studying with, working with, or somebody they've been introduced to through their mutual friends. Which brings to mind American society where most lays happen through social game. Someone outside the social circles in Taiwan cold-approaching is considered creepy, as documented in many posts on this board. It is a cold dating culture socially where it is not considered appropriate to approach women you are interested in, similar to US, Germany, or India, and unlike the warm cultures like France, Russia, Ukraine, or Latin America. And it sucks despite some people defending it as "Taiwanese uniqueness" or Taiwanese culture that has to be respected. This is a gaming forum and I won't apologize for saying these cold kind of cultures suck balls and have no place in the modern world.

Another caveat to their superficial friendliness is that they waste a lot of your time acting like they are interested in you because in Taiwanese culture it is rude to say no or to say they cannot go on that instadate with you. So what you win out by not having to deal with a harsh rejection - you lose out on wasted time when they don't answer your texts later.

[Travesty]

(01-23-2015 08:34 PM)chamele0n Wrote:  

It is a cold dating culture socially where it is not considered appropriate to approach women you are interested in, similar to US, Germany, or India, and unlike the warm cultures like France, Russia, Ukraine, or Latin America. And it sucks despite some people defending it as "Taiwanese uniqueness" or Taiwanese culture that has to be respected. This is a gaming forum and I won't apologize for saying these kind of cultures suck balls and have no place in the modern world.

Another caveat to their superficial friendliness is that they waste a lot of your time acting like they are interested in you because in Taiwanese culture it is rude to say no or to say they cannot go on that instadate with you. So what you win out by not having to deal with a harsh rejection - you lose out on wasted time when they don't answer your texts later.

I like these kinds of posts. There are still hints of blue pill PC apologists that say "well that is just how that culture works, respect that culture". No some cultures just suck. And some suck specifically for gaming.

[worldtraveler3]

From the previous posts from form members who traveled to Taiwan, it seems to me that Taiwan is a easy place.
I be read
" went out daygaming and open her and she was in my hotel in 2 hours " from somewhere on this form recently.

[atlant]

(01-23-2015 06:16 PM)chamele0n Wrote:  

(01-23-2015 12:17 PM)atlant Wrote:  

He does not have to be a model. But no half-decent girl will want to be seen with an unkempt sweaty fat guy twice her age who has no idea about how to run a normal social interaction. Just as approach experiences from extremely good looking guys have to be taken with a grain of salt, this also goes for the other end of the spectrum, and this matters doubly so in a country like Taiwan where the concept of face is a thing.

Again, if he is doing good with women in some countries and not good in others and explains the differences, it does not matter how he looks. He claims to do well in Latin America, Philippines, Russia, etc., so you can already learn something, you can conclude that women in Latin America, Philippines, or Russia are more approachable to the point of being nice to an unkempt sweaty fat guy whereas those in Taiwan have a concept of "face" and would not be seen with one. Hence, women in LA, Philippines, Russia would therefore be said to be more approachable that the Taiwanese. Learn to extract value from posts by guys like him. If you don't know how to do that, don't criticize other people that do know how it's done.

His articles would have no value to me if he was just posting rants on a single country, it would be a subjective possibly bitter opinion of perhaps someone not good-looking or without good game. But the fact that he is able to compare if he does well in various countries does have value. I like to hear what a good-looking guy has to say when he talks about where does better just as I like to hear what a slob has to say when he talks about where he finds women more approachable.

I'm not sure why you would take Winston's word for anything. Do you really think the dude is pulling in Ukraine left and right but girls in Taiwan won't even give him the time of the day? If you can't "extract" the fact that he's a maladjusted, bitter loser with zero social skills from his articles then you're either extremely naive or haven't read more than half a paragraph from him.

Anyway, you're not looking real input here, just for people to confirm your point of POV - that much is clear from the way your OP is worded - so that you can tell yourself "it's not just me". I don't care if this is "besides the point of your OP", if you barge in and spout some BS about a place you don't seem to really understand then expect to get schooled.

Here's some quotes from Blackstock's Taipei thread currently also on the front page here.

Mr. Sunshine Wrote:

The thing that surprised me the most about Taiwanese girls is their casualness regarding sex. All the girls I talked to were fully open to the idea of sex on the first date, even or especially when interested in a LTR.
To me this came as a surprise, as most girls I met in East Asia that weren't interested in casual sex were much more conservative.

Dagnasty Wrote:

There are plenty of opportunities for day gaming. You can simply just practice your Mandarin and the average girl (that DOES NOT go clubbing) isn’t bitchy. In fact, they’re friendly and pleasurable.

Papi Rico Wrote:

Before I get any "Well, Papi, you were only there for a week" or "Your first two smashes were absolute lay-ups", let me boldly proclaim that nowhere in the world have I found it easier to approach solid 8's than in Taipei. Looks aside, these girls speak fantastic English (ABT's), are driven & ambitious yet extremely feminine, and my favourite part: you don't have to lock your shit up in a safe any time you go to the toilet.

Now I don't mean to paint Taiwan as some sort of promised land. It can be tough and frustrating and you're right that you're more likely to be politely rejected in an ambiguous way than blown out hard.

However you seemingly have no idea how to actually adjust here. If you really think girls here will only date people they already know then either you haven't talked to a lot of girls, or you're going about it the wrong way.

And yet:

Quote:

I could tutor 90% of guys on here on gaming Asian women.

[elcidcampeador]

I think there are plenty of other threads on here discussing this topic, but I'll say what's been said before - Taiwanese girls are easy to game. The only kicker is that you need to be good-looking for it to work easily. Of course when it comes to good-looking in Asia, you can be actually good-looking or just tall.

Just like most of Asia, there are 'teachers' and 'language students' running around under the guise of 'work', but really they are mostly losers with yellow fever. Put yourself above these guys and Taiwanese girls will come to you. I've been opened several times in Taiwan on public transportation (and I rarely take public transportation there). They weren't stunners, but still...I was opened.

Mainland girls are a completely different story. They generally have no interest in sex, and have a stronger interest in procuring a new Prada bag. Can they be gamed? Yes, of course, but the ones that can be gamed are riding the gringo carousel, live(d) abroad, or are looking or a boyfriend. I guess the possibilities of a ONS are better if you're in a club in SH or BJ, but China doesn't have a ONS culture. That being said, foreigners don't really have the sex tourist rep that they have in Indonesia/Thailand/Philippines and girls aren't going to assume that you only want sex.

Conclusion: Taiwan is better for a ONS.

[WanderingSoul]

Winston Wu lol.

That's like quoting Rosie O'Donell on fitness advice.

Dude isn't going to do well anywhere on this earth with quality women.

The fact that you take his advice, and how you are talking in this thread, and your avatar, leads me to think you are a strange dude.

LeightonBlackstock did well in Taiwan. I know him personally and trust his judgement. Check his data sheet, though he sticks to night game I'm pretty sure.

[ShanghaiPlayer]

In short, yea you can get laid from gaming during the day in China easily, & the girls are generally pretty approachable. It helps if u speak the language. I don't have much experience with Taiwanese girls, so I couldn't compare the two.

From what I hear things are a lot easier in Taiwan. I know of a guy that smashed 20 Taiwanese girls in one month in Taipei, so not sure why you'd be having problems there.

[Octavian]

(01-23-2015 08:34 PM)chamele0n Wrote:  

[quote] (01-23-2015 06:58 PM)Octavian Wrote:  

That's funny, I found Taiwanese women to be much more open and approachable than Mainlanders. I can't compare daygame in both locales, but Taiwanese girls are very approachable at night. I'd be surprised if they were standoffish during the day.

There is a common misconception that the Taiwanese are more approachable because they are more cultured but I still prefer dealing with mainland girls because they are more genuine, despite not being as preoccupied with their looks and looking "hello kitty" sexy.

Being polite in Taiwan is a bit different from being approachable. They're rarely standoffish.

Which brings to mind American society where most lays happen through social game. Someone outside the social circles in Taiwan cold-approaching is considered creepy, as documented in many posts on this board. It is a cold dating culture socially where it is not considered appropriate to approach women you are interested in, similar to US, Germany, or India, and unlike the warm cultures like France, Russia, Ukraine, or Latin America.

Speaking from my own experience and from the guys I've known, I didn't notice much difference between Taiwanese and Mainlanders with respect to genuineness.

While most dating in Taiwan is done via social circle, that's also true of a lot of places. Taiwanese girls are very open to approaches during night game. Plenty of guys do very well in those venues by approaching.

Maybe you just click better with Mainland girls, and that's perfectly fine. However, just guessing here but it sounds like you are building too much comfort and not enough attraction with the girls you go out with. Maybe you are putting out a vibe that you're only interested in Chinese culture, or whatever other indirect angle you're running, and you are not spending enough time flirting or pushing/pulling.

[travolta]

The first time I went to Taiwan I didn't get laid and I felt the same way.. I thought taiwanese girls were awful. But after I've dated a few of them I realize that they're some of the best girls in the world. Amazingly friendly, good personalities, great at sex.. the list goes on.. Cold approaching can work, but what most guys on this forum don't realize is that social circle game is king in East Asian countries, especially if you want the hottest girls.

[worldtraveler3]

What's the difference say between social circle game in Taiwan and china vs in Argentina or Spain?

[TravelerKai]

Chameleon if you are so good, location would not matter, drop a datasheet or something. You talking alot of hot shit but seeking help and that makes no damn sense at all. Put up or shut up. If guys see a guy that has given back to the community they go way out of their way to help you when you need something.

[TravelerKai]

(01-24-2015 03:20 PM)travolta Wrote:  

The first time I went to Taiwan I didn't get laid and I felt the same way.. I thought taiwanese girls were awful. But after I've dated a few of them I realize that they're some of the best girls in the world. Amazingly friendly, good personalities, great at sex.. the list goes on.. Cold approaching can work, but what most guys on this forum don't realize is that social circle game is king in East Asian countries, especially if you want the hottest girls.

Social circle game can yield super high quality girls especially in marriage arraignment, but it has a very high learning curve. Not for everyone and the odds of your average guy making this work is very low. I tip my hat to you for recognizing that though, you must have some good experience to know that. For China, you can sidestep social circle game and still find high quality women, at least for now....

[Old Fritz]

(01-24-2015 01:22 AM)RioNomad Wrote:  

Winston Wu lol.

That's like quoting Rosie O'Donell on fitness advice.

Dude isn't going to do well anywhere on this earth with quality women.

The fact that you take his advice, and how you are talking in this thread, and your avatar, leads me to think you are a strange dude.

That's what I thought when I went to his website. My reaction was "there is no way in hell this guy is pulling anything. He's an ugly MOFO.

[Sargon of Akkad]

I also wouldn't trust the judgement of someone like Winston Wu.

Although I haven't been to Taiwan and I've only banged one Taiwanese girl here in Japan, most of the ones I've interacted with have been very pleasant, well dressed and very friendly, if only slightly nerdier than most Japanese or Mainland Chinese chicks. Most of the time the girls I approached were tourists, and timing along with bad logistics made it difficult to secure a bang, but all were very warm and open, and I've never had a Taiwanese acquaintance that I disliked. Also, their friendliness seemed far more genuine than that of most Japanese.

The (Mainland) Chinese on the other hand...well, let's just say they have their reputation. Taiwanese girls definitely have better style, grooming and hygene than most Mainlanders, but I wouldn't really consider either particularly difficult to approach. In fact, I'd say the opposite is true, from　my experience. Most Taiwanese I've met have all been quite approachable. I also love girls who speak Mandarin with a Taiwanese accent.

[Laner]

I am currently just over the straight in Fujian after a week in Taiwan.

Taiwanese girls are better groomed due to the Japanese culture that is present on the island. They just look healthier and happier and this also translates into what they wear as clothes and underwear.

Mainland China is a horrible place really and the women are like flowers growing in a mud pit. Make no mistake, if you like Asian women the sheer number of females in China is astounding.

And just like Taiwan, if they make eye contact, they are at least interested in talking, and likely more. Asian women do not make eye contact if they are in a happy relationship.

I also found the variety of Taiwanese women to be good. I spent a day working in Hulein and saw a lot of "island" looking women, almost like Filipino or Pacific. Not my type but I do like variety.

I was staying in a hotel that gives massive discounts to teachers and professors in Taipei, and a group of Japanese teachers were there for a conference. Keeping in mind the talent in Taipei is fairly good, just seeing Japanese women beside Taiwanese women made everything so much more obvious to me. Japanese women are hands down some of the most beautiful women in the world.

And this is coming from a guy that tries to find white women to bang first, then Asian. But put me in a club with white and Jap then it would be a tie. There is just something about the facial bone structure, their posture, their classy and elegant clothes....

Back on topic I would give Taiwanese women the edge based on average, but Mainlanders the edge based on volume.

As far as ease of opening, both are extremely easy. Taiwanese are more worldly and their English level is high, but Mainlanders seem to be more curious and brash.

Whatever, if you like Asian women you cant go wrong in this part of the world. Last night I was putting in 110% to try and get an Italian girl back to my room and a Chinese girl ambushed me. She had been waiting for 20min until I had to piss in order to talk to me. She was stunning 5'10 and had 20 questions ready on rapid fire and held my hand for the whole time.

I tried to get her in the toilet but she was shocked, though she still waited for me to come out so she could talk to me again. Didn't get her back to my hotel so I chalk her up to being an English groupie, though lucky motherfucker that gets to tap this due to his only knowing English.

[Chewbacon]

Funny story, when I was in Taiwan the one night I went out, ALL of the girls I ended up approaching were Japanese or Korean tourists. No joke, no mandarin was spoken, shitty english. So I have no first hand experience of picking up Taiwanese girls.

But in terms of just hit rate, I turned on my tinder and okcupid accounts in Taipei and i got 5x the matches with 1.5x the quality than I did in Hong Kong. So that's food for thought. I have never gamed in the mainland - only mainland girls in the U.S. I would say Taiwanese girls are easier, nicer, friendlier than the mainland girls. You also have to realize the social dynamics - mainland chinese girls live in a fucked up society where there is a shortage of women and the sheer number of wealthy wankers who shop for mistresses is mind boggling. They develop an entitlement and materialism complex very quickly. I'm not aware of any demographic imbalance (certainly not as severe) in Taiwan, and while it's an asian society with asian corruption, it's not nearly as dysfunctional as China. So I would place my bets on Taiwanese chicks.

But hey man - you really can't beat the Taiwanese mandarin accent.