[H1N1]

Does anyone know of/read any blogs, or have an interest in this, in a similar vein to Jack Donovan http://jack-donovan.com/ or these guys http://grimnir.tumblr.com/?

I find the whole concept fascinating and quite persuasive. I feel very keenly that my life lacks an outlet for raw masculinity, and a brotherhood of like-minded men. I enjoy reading about those who have succeeded in creating something that works outside of the typical constraints of modern civilization. I am looking to put something together with a few like minded friends - a sort of outlaw band (without any criminal bent - these are guys with their lives dialed in), that would revolve around training/fighting together, drinking and feasting, riding (owning a bike wouldn't be a pre-requisit, but it would be encouraged), and adventuring (sailing, skydiving, exploring etc).

I find modern society, despite all its conveniences and opportunities, to be fairly unsatisfying when it comes to primal needs like brotherhood and purpose. To me, it seems like 'getting and spending, we lay waste our lives' is the order of the day. I want to change that for my like-minded friends and me, and develop a brotherhood that allows us an outlet.

For the purpose of the thread, I am particularly interested to hear from people who know of good resources on the subject, or are themselves interested/doing similar things. Knowing how things can sometimes go on the internet, I'll say at the outset, please do not offer advice like 'try joining a boxing gym' (I've boxed and competed for 15 years).

[Snowplow]

Well you made the first step by joining here. Depending on location and if you are cut from the same cloth as alot of the guys here, you might have a meet up.

As far as other forums, try peppers or survival mindset people. They typically have smaller groups that are more tribal in a sense. They do alot of training and bonding things that you might be looking for.

[Suits]

I think that anything men do together that develops the bond between them is a great example of masculine activity.

Anything men do because women dictate it and men think that they'll get pussy if the follow women's orders works against this, because letting women call the shots tends to very quickly undermine male bonding.

As an example, I met a guy here in Beijing last summer. We met up twice and we talked on the phone a number of time. Texted on a regular basis.

Brilliant guy. I know we both enjoyed our conversations. But the dude pretty much cancelled on me every time we'd set up a time to hang out, because some opportunity with yet another girl.

Guy was getting laid plenty, more than me, but he always wanted another one.

Now, half a year after we first met, despite my routine efforts to get a chance to grab a coffee or a beer, we've only hung out twice and guess what...he's leaving Beijing.

Why? Because he hasn't built a life here he wants to continue. He thinks he could do better somewhere else.

I don't think he'll find what he's looking for unless he radically changes his approach to how he spends his time.

He's been in Beijing for years, but in that time he didn't build anything of value. He banged lots of bitches, but that doesn't mean anything the moment they stop being available to your sexually or you tire of their well used snatch.

I've lived a year and a half in Beijing total and two years in another Chinese city, but I know that in two years, I won't be desperate for a way out of this city because I'm building something of permanence here.

Men build civilization through teamwork and dedication to their communities. This, I think, is where we find satisfaction.

I'm building a life here in China by working to build my community. It's slow going right now, because meaningful relationships aren't born overnight, but when I know I have a meaningful existence here, it'll be because I have my little tribe.

Women will not be a part of this tribe. Women may participate in activities peripheral to my tribe, but they won't define it, because women come and go.

A guy will never ever give me the slightest bit of sexual satisfaction. Only a woman can do that. So I will continue to have women in my life.

But let's not make the mistake of believing that women can help me build a tribe. That's what men do.

I can have both. Women are drawn to fun and community, even though they can't really build it themselves.

When you've got a good group of guys that know how to support each other, encourage each other to grow and most importantly, have fun, the odds are you'll never be in short supply of women looking to join the fun.

Of course, small communities of video games aren't surrounded by pussy. But there is a reason for that. Those guys haven't encouraged each other to grow. They've resorted to focusing on gaming, a hobby that doesn't appeal to a lot of men.

However, when men grow to a point where they can produce all-purpose fun and value that can be appreciated by a general spectrum of other people, they'll have women.

When they build a community around those things -- all-purpose fun and value -- they'll have more pussy total as a consequence than if they were all lone rangers.

Just look at frats.

[H1N1]

(01-20-2015 09:08 AM)Suits Wrote:  

I think that anything men do together that develops the bond between them is a great example of masculine activity.

Anything men do because women dictate it and men think that they'll get pussy if the follow women's orders works against this, because letting women call the shots tends to very quickly undermine male bonding.

As an example, I met a guy here in Beijing last summer. We met up twice and we talked on the phone a number of time. Texted on a regular basis.

Brilliant guy. I know we both enjoyed our conversations. But the dude pretty much cancelled on me every time we'd set up a time to hang out, because some opportunity with yet another girl.

Guy was getting laid plenty, more than me, but he always wanted another one.

Now, half a year after we first met, despite my routine efforts to get a chance to grab a coffee or a beer, we've only hung out twice and guess what...he's leaving Beijing.

Why? Because he hasn't built a life here he wants to continue. He thinks he could do better somewhere else.

I don't think he'll find what he's looking for unless he radically changes his approach to how he spends his time.

He's been in Beijing for years, but in that time he didn't build anything of value. He banged lots of bitches, but that doesn't mean anything the moment they stop being available to your sexually or you tire of their well used snatch.

I've lived a year and a half in Beijing total and two years in another Chinese city, but I know that in two years, I won't be desperate for a way out of this city because I'm building something of permanence here.

Men build civilization through teamwork and dedication to their communities. This, I think, is where we find satisfaction.

I'm building a life here in China by working to build my community. It's slow going right now, because meaningful relationships aren't born overnight, but when I know I have a meaningful existence here, it'll be because I have my little tribe.

Women will not be a part of this tribe. Women may participate in activities peripheral to my tribe, but they won't define it, because women come and go.

A guy will never ever give me the slightest bit of sexual satisfaction. Only a woman can do that. So I will continue to have women in my life.

But let's not make the mistake of believing that women can help me build a tribe. That's what men do.

I can have both. Women are drawn to fun and community, even though they can't really build it themselves.

When you've got a good group of guys that know how to support each other, encourage each other to grow and most importantly, have fun, the odds are you'll never be in short supply of women looking to join the fun.

Of course, small communities of video games aren't surrounded by pussy. But there is a reason for that. Those guys haven't encouraged each other to grow. They've resorted to focusing on gaming, a hobby that doesn't appeal to a lot of men.

However, when men grow to a point where they can produce all-purpose fun and value that can be appreciated by a general spectrum of other people, they'll have women.

When they build a community around those things -- all-purpose fun and value -- they'll have more pussy total as a consequence than if they were all lone rangers.

Just look at frats.

I agree completely with everything you posted.

Not to derail, but Beijing is a great place. I spent 4 months living there back in 2008, in Wudaoko, and had the time of my life. I have no doubt that you will succeed in building something fantastic there, it's a place full of possibility.

[runsonmagic]

H1N1 - what part of the country do you live in? What specifically are you looking for?

[Geomann180]

If you live in near DC, it's possible for you to meet up with Grimnir and the the rest of the Wolves.

I met up with them as a guest; they're solid guys who know where they want to go with things.

G

[H1N1]

(01-20-2015 09:56 AM)runsonmagic Wrote:  

H1N1 - what part of the country do you live in? What specifically are you looking for?

I'm in the south of the UK.

From the thread, I'm looking for anything from conversation to direction to interesting things to read.

Outside of the thread, in the real world as it were, I'm looking to create, or become part of a masculine brotherhood. In the abstract, it would be about fostering community between a small-ish group of broadly like-minded individuals. To my own mind, that involves sparring together/training to improve ourselves together, a certain warrior/honourable ethos and camaraderie, and people who are interested in doing new/challenging things.

[H1N1]

(01-20-2015 10:03 AM)Geomann180 Wrote:  

If you live in near DC, it's possible for you to meet up with Grimnir and the the rest of the Wolves.

I met up with them as a guest; they're solid guys who know where they want to go with things.

G

That's awesome, how'd that come about?

Unfortunately I'm on a different continent, but I have a lot of respect for what they're doing, and the success they've made of it. Grimnir is a talented musician too, I like his stuff.

[Geomann180]

(01-20-2015 10:25 AM)H1N1 Wrote:  

That's awesome, how'd that come about?

Unfortunately I'm on a different continent, but I have a lot of respect for what they're doing, and the success they've made of it. Grimnir is a talented musician too, I like his stuff.

One of my good friends from university liked Jack Donovan's page on Facebook as I had done. I asked him about it and he told me that he had both met Jack Donovan and the Vinland Wolves.

He invited me to come along to one of their meetings. Drove up to his area this last winter break and stayed the night.

G

[Brian Boru]

http://www.redicecreations.com/radio/non...criber.php

Search through their achieves, you'll find a lot on Northern European traditions, but some on the Near East and Armenia as well

[runsonmagic]

(01-20-2015 10:21 AM)H1N1 Wrote:  

(01-20-2015 09:56 AM)runsonmagic Wrote:  

H1N1 - what part of the country do you live in? What specifically are you looking for?

I'm in the south of the UK.

The creator of the Centurion Method - which is how they workout at the Wolves of Vinland you mentioned - is based out of the same area.

Seeing if he has a local group or could recommend one would be a good place to start.

There are probably already people doing what you're looking for in that area. Just gotta hunt. There are definitely pagan groups in the UK, and probably gang-esque groups as well. Just use to net to find them and take action to meet up IRL.

[Quintus Curtius]

Depending on your interests, the key things are:

1. Find a group of like-minded men who share your interests.

2. Do activities together with this group.

3. Exclude women absolutely. There's no exception to this rule. Any group of men--any group at all--will change dramatically when a female is introduced into the equation. You will instantly lose the masculine energy of the group.

Secret societies are going to make a big come-back in the years ahead.

Since masculinity is being driven underground by the feminist orthodoxy, it's going to resurface in other ways.

[H1N1]

(01-21-2015 12:00 AM)Quintus Curtius Wrote:  

Depending on your interests, the key things are:

1. Find a group of like-minded men who share your interests.

2. Do activities together with this group.

3. Exclude women absolutely. There's no exception to this rule. Any group of men--any group at all--will change dramatically when a female is introduced into the equation. You will instantly lose the masculine energy of the group.

Secret societies are going to make a big come-back in the years ahead.

Since masculinity is being driven underground by the feminist orthodoxy, it's going to resurface in other ways.

That's exactly the kind of thing we're looking to do. Point 1 is particularly hard to do though. So far there are 3 of us...

[Suits]

(01-21-2015 05:40 AM)H1N1 Wrote:  

(01-21-2015 12:00 AM)Quintus Curtius Wrote:  

Depending on your interests, the key things are:

1. Find a group of like-minded men who share your interests.

2. Do activities together with this group.

3. Exclude women absolutely. There's no exception to this rule. Any group of men--any group at all--will change dramatically when a female is introduced into the equation. You will instantly lose the masculine energy of the group.

Secret societies are going to make a big come-back in the years ahead.

Since masculinity is being driven underground by the feminist orthodoxy, it's going to resurface in other ways.

That's exactly the kind of thing we're looking to do. Point 1 is particularly hard to do though. So far there are 3 of us...

Three really isn't a bad start.

[Aros]

(01-21-2015 12:00 AM)Quintus Curtius Wrote:  

Depending on your interests, the key things are:

1. Find a group of like-minded men who share your interests.

2. Do activities together with this group.

3. Exclude women absolutely. There's no exception to this rule. Any group of men--any group at all--will change dramatically when a female is introduced into the equation. You will instantly lose the masculine energy of the group.

Secret societies are going to make a big come-back in the years ahead.

Since masculinity is being driven underground by the feminist orthodoxy, it's going to resurface in other ways.

I'm gonna dust off my 'No Girls Allowed' sign I made in 2. grade. Seriously though, I'm a sucker for anything esoteric, so I hope more guys make small (secret) groups like Donovan writes about. Back to basics.

[Switch]

I forget which comedian said it, but the joke went something along the lines of "Ocean's 11 would never work with women. 2 of them would always be going off into a corner to talk shit about the other 9 while the other 9 would be making passive aggressive comments to each other like 'wow you must be so confident to wear that dress.'"

This is totally true. Exclude women from your tribal activities. They won't be able to help you and they'll screw up the whole dynamic of a group.

I've adopted the theory that a man and a woman cannot be friends if either party is interested in the other sexually/romantically. They can be in a relationship, but cannot have a friendship, it simply cannot last. For a male/female friendship to work, there can't be any desire from either party. Both parties must find the other person unattractive.

[CelMasc]

Also interested in knowing some other blogs on tribalism.

This is why I think that the manosphere should have a role in defending Fraternities and the Greek system in universities. Feminists are afraid of "privileged" men having their own male only space, and fraternities are one of the last standing male only spaces in the west.

It's easy to predict that Fraternities will continue to face vicious attacks by feminists (see the UVA rape hoax) until they are forced to have a certain number of women, homosexuals, trisexuals, transexuals, and different species. Thus, another male only space will have been infiltrated and destroyed by feminists.

[runsonmagic]

I've found most authors are surprisingly open to answering honest questions by email. Niche authors often act as connectors for people of certain ideological tribes. If you message certain authors and say "know anyone around here doing what you're talking about?" Odds are they've got someone else in their email box who just wanted to tell them about how they're putting their ideas into practice.

Be sure to leave them a donation, just to say thanks. If a total stranger is kind enough to help you establish a new social circle, offer them some value in return. Attach a note: "this is for the drink I'd buy you if we ever met up in person." Pay the karma forward.

I'll bet if you went on Jack Donovan's facebook page and posted in the comment section of one of his pasts "as a person from (your city) I've definitely noticed this is true" you'd get a couple replies of saying "hey I didn't know someone else in (our city) liked Jack Donovan." Same is true of bands, forums, etc. Meetup.com is a good resource. Just think about what you like, and what others who like the same thing might be up to.

[H1N1]

(01-21-2015 07:36 PM)runsonmagic Wrote:  

I've found most authors are surprisingly open to answering honest questions by email. Niche authors often act as connectors for people of certain ideological tribes. If you message certain authors and say "know anyone around here doing what you're talking about?" Odds are they've got someone else in their email box who just wanted to tell them about how they're putting their ideas into practice.

Be sure to leave them a donation, just to say thanks. If a total stranger is kind enough to help you establish a new social circle, offer them some value in return. Attach a note: "this is for the drink I'd buy you if we ever met up in person." Pay the karma forward.

I'll bet if you went on Jack Donovan's facebook page and posted in the comment section of one of his pasts "as a person from (your city) I've definitely noticed this is true" you'd get a couple replies of saying "hey I didn't know someone else in (our city) liked Jack Donovan." Same is true of bands, forums, etc. Meetup.com is a good resource. Just think about what you like, and what others who like the same thing might be up to.

Good advice, I'll give it a go. Thank you for taking the time to help out.