[sandman972]

(01-14-2015 01:55 PM)RealityCheck Wrote:  

I closed my Facebook a year ago. I can't see the benefits. I live overseas and yet I can still easily stay in touch with my friends and family without Facebook. If you fall out of touch with a friend because you don't have Facebook, then I'd say that person wasn't really as close a friend as you thought.

Similarly, I wouldn't meet up for a coffee or drink with 90% or more of the people that I had on my friends list, so therefore most of my "friends" on Facebook weren't actually my friends. I'd be willing to be that this statistic is probably representative of most people.

Staring at pictures of hot girls on your Facebook that you'll likely never bang is just a way of putting them on a pedestal. You could say the same about porn but at least with porn there's an end goal in mind.

Facebook reinforces narcissism. Women are more susceptible to this, but it affects men as well. I'm not saying having a Facebook will spell your doom as a man; it's not that dire, but it is one more drop in the bucket from the bombardment of social media, horrible pop music, advertising, etc, that reinforces a culture of narcissism and reduces the value of real human interaction, stepping out of your comfort zone, or experiencing parts of the world that you're not normally exposed to. I've decided to take that drop out of my life, so to speak.

I'm not saying that all technology is bad and that we should go back to living as hunter-gatherer cavemen, but you have to draw the line somewhere. I draw the line at social media and personal websites like Facebook. It's a waste of time.

Except for the fact that ever job Iv had in the last 1.5yrs has been a direct result of Facebook. I think your view on Facebook is tainted because you assume everyone uses it in the same way you do. Of course there is a bunch of bullshit on Facebook, but it also has a great advantage.

In fact, I can think of several cases where I got layed and it was indirectly because of Facebook. Didnt have a girls number, we reconnected over facebook and that was that.

If you ever start your own business, Facebook is a great way for networking, and I guarantee you will re-open your acount.

You mention the bombardment of horrible pop music. If you are looking for advertisements of shitty pop music, then you will find it. Conversely, Iv been updated about concerts or events that have to do with music I enjoy all the time on Facebook.

Everyone has their own reasons to either like or dislike Facebook, just keep in mind those reasons are strictly personal and cant be said about an entire generation.

[tallandblonde]

^^^I agree. Easy to just say that facebook is a complete waste of time, but I think the people saying this are the 30+ crowd that didn't grow up with social media.

Maybe there's nothing wrong with deleting facebook, but I think a lot of members on this forum put too much effort into being counter cultural, old school, and off the grid in order to be less available. This is why I find it bizarre when the OP deletes whatsapp because it makes him seem too available, but he is still sending SMS messages. It's essentially the same thing minus read receipts and an avatar, except it Brazil you have to pay per message when sending/receiving SMS!

This doesn't mean you should live on facebook, but it's a good way to reconnect with old bangs, and it's a requirement for Tinder. I just don't see the benefit in deleting unless you have a serious social media addiction.

[Quintus Curtius]

I've gone back and forth with Brazilianguy on this issue. I agree with much of what he says, but I draw some different conclusions.

I liked very much (and agree with) Courage Reborn's comment earlier in this thread.

At the end of the day--when all is said and done--mastery of social media is a necessary skill for me to even have a hope of landing women in Rio that are in their 20s. A recent trip proved this to me.

If you're not on WhatsApp, you're fucked. Period. That's my opinion. It's the best way to stay in touch with girls abroad.

Facebook is bullshit, of course, but you need to have something out there to let people know you're normal.

You just can't beat Tinder for speed, access, data collection, and efficiency. For me, it is essential. But then again, I am a foreigner in my mid 40s who is only there for short periods of time. It may not be the best tool for someone else.

I'm sure there are a lot of exceptions to this rule. But I'll be damned if I've seen any.

Adapt or die. Period. You can't fight tanks with mounted cavalry.

[Quintus Curtius]

One more thing I forgot to say.

I really think it's important to remember that there is no "one size fits all solution." You need to try to cultivate all aspects of your social skills, whether it's in-person or on-line.

Example:

I get zero or nothing from Tinder in my home city in the US. It's mostly just divorced single mothers of mediocre quality. It's just because the available pool of options here is very limited.

But take your smart phone abroad to a major city, and it's a whole different ball-game. Options, options, options, with many. And most of them are 15-20 years younger than me. You message back and forth a few times (in her language of course), get phone number and convert them to WhatsApp. Then set up a date with little delay using WhatsApp or your regular cell phone. And then your regular game comes into play.

It just all depends on the locale, the environment, your age, your strengths, etc.

There is no one, single fishing rod than can be used for every situation.

Fresh water fishing is different from salt water fishing. The bait and tackle is different for every occasion. My point is that we guys need to stop thinking in such absolutist terms about things. Everything is relative, everything depends on the situation. But you can't expect to have a iron-clad set of rules that cover every situation. It just doesn't work that way.

Gears that are too finely machined will eventually get jammed up. You need to have a little bit of "slop" in the mechanism, for it to run smoothly.

Embrace the craziness, embrace the unknown, embrace the irrationality! It is unjust, unfair, irrational, and inexplicable. But it is our world. Here. Now. Suck it up.

Embrace it all! Because there is only forward, forward, forward. 1989 is never coming back.

That's why I think it's a mistake for any of us to simply rule out social media. I think that by doing that, you're really limiting yourself. Why do that?

But then again, everyone is different. Some guys just hate fucking around with it. I don't really like it, but I'm willing to play the game to some extent.

Q

[iknowexactly]

(01-12-2015 10:46 AM)DumbfromBirth Wrote:  

Online dating/messaging has made it easier for the pussy men to speak to girls. ............venture out into the real world and become a man.

Allow me to give first rep point for pushing FACE TO FACE NAIL A BITCH primal effort!!!

I'm one of the pussy men.

But-online dating in the Phils has got me laid more in the Phils in the last three months than in the last seven YEARS in the States.

Getting sex fairly reliably HAS gotten me into a ZeroFucksGiven state from time to time here, and I am getting close to cold direct approaching like a true sociopath who thinks it's all funny and meaningless.

I see elegant Nines strutting around and I want to start getting some rejection. They come out of nowhere, in grubby denim shorts and are fucking penniless. There some HiSo versions somewhere, but here there are diamonds in the rough, it's incredible.

It's just starting to sink in. These girls could be models in the NY Times magazine. They're just sort of a little prettier than average here.

I like some weird, angular faces on extremely skinny chicks, so some of you might not agree, but this is the type of beauty you see on runways sometimes.

[worldtraveler3]

There are a lot of elegant 9s in the Philippines? I thought it was full of 5-6s

[Brazilianguy]

So, I´ve been without whatsapp (or any other social media app) for 1 week now, relying solely on cold approaching, social circle game and phonecalls to set up dates.
Here´s what I´ve noticed so far:

- Increased mental clarity and ability to "be in the moment" from non-attachment to the world of social media
- Less leads from girls, since I´ve been off tinder as well. However, there´s a lot less flaking as well, as I´m finding it much easier to hook a girl and get her interested in me using face to face communication than through social media.
- Went on a date last week with a chick I met through cold approaching. I set the date via phone call with very little effort and no bullshit. I noticed it was a lot easier to get her invested by talking rather than messaging.
- I´ve set up another date later in the week via phone call. This was another girl I met through cold approaching (daygame). Her investment seems all right, certainly much higher than I´d be able to pull via social media (although I confess I suck at social media use). We will see what happens.
- New DHVs I´m using that are congruent with my lifestyle and personality: don´t drink, work out and eat clean, busy because I´m working all day and reading/learning new skills/travelling and hiking in nature in my free time, no time or patience for social media and living a life of lies and illusion.
- Just for the record, I´ve just moved to a small town in Minas Gerais (been here less than a month) so I´m putting in work in developing an interesting social circle. So far I´ve been introduced to a few girls and I´ve communicated my new DHV´s to them. The fact I don´t do social media has been seen as a plus and I have a couple of girls interested in me (sadly, both have boyfriends, and I don´t do girls who are committed).

These are my observations so far.
We´ll see how many lays I can get from old school game.

[Brazilianguy]

One more thing: I intend to go deep with this old school game experiment.
I haven´t read game material for quite a while, but I´m picking up Krauser´s "Daygame Mastery" as I intend to make daygame my bread and butter.
The intention here is to only pick up girls that I´m truly interested in. No interest in accumulating notches from tinder girls that don´t really attract me on a visceral level.

[The_CEO]

Re-iterates some stuff we're talking about here.

I'm trying tinder btw

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-wyga...67472.html

[Mayo]

Maybe my job here is to be the thread-necromancer, who knows? Brazilianguy, I'm curious how this turned out to you, two years later.

[questor70]

Check out that Huffpo's more recent followup on online dating:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/why-...aa2363d4d6

I think he makes one false conclusion:

Quote:

Relationships that should’ve happened are not happening.

The reason why they’re not happening? Well, it’s because we truly believe that we have an abundance of people we can meet. And at the same time, people are staying home and they’re lonelier than ever before.

Should be "men" are staying home and they're lonelier than ever before. Women are taking turns hooking up with the top tier.

When even relationship coaches can't get any action, we're in a verifiable crisis.

[Skank_Hunt]

Great OP, also good addition by civpro (i.e. that the situation in Anglo countries is significantly worse).

I keep whatsapp/viber etc. simply because it allows contact with people abroad, to send other forms of media etc. It's still a 1-to-1 thing. If you have a girl's "whatsapp" then you have her "number".

There is no doubt in some countries in the world, the dating apps work well and it would be silly not to use them, not disagreeing with QC in that respect.

However I have no FB, SC, IG or any other social media attention whoring platforms. It may have cost me a few bangs, where a girl is insistent on seeing my social media almost as a bank style ID verification process (see civpro's post on Anglo countries). How ironic that who you really are is more likely to be decided based upon a fancy digital ideal of yourself that you have built up over time, more so than your actual body language and verbal game.

I know there are threads by Vinny about IG and by others about social media, and it may work well for some, and I know I want the hot 18-24 year old girls in their prime who are most likely to demand social media accounts, but... I just can't do it. I cannot and will not feed the beast.

These are the same platforms that as in the OP have laid ruin to any sort of remotely reasonable SMP, and at the same time turned women (who were bad enough already, let's face it) into self-obsessed, vapid, smartphone-addicted zombies. It's terrible. I could use other words to really convey my true level of disgust for these things but we all know how bad it is, and we're all feeling the effects of it. Even those few men who are benefiting overall from social media in terms of better quality and quantity in the same location... I've read about some of the time, money and effort that goes into maintaining these online profiles. You almost have to raise your profile to semi-fame/local-fame/approaching fame levels for the 18-24 year olds to take notice.

Not using FB, IG, SC and other social media might lose me some girls, but I take that loss willingly and use the time I have instead to try to improve real life interactions. It is also not always a negative that you do not have FB or IG. It separates you from "normal" men, but you can either go into the "weirdo, unsafe" or "mysterious, unique" box. Sometimes by a strong in-person interaction and a strong, genuine reason why you do not use FB or IG or any other social media, the girls take notice whereas you would otherwise have just been another guy who follows her on IG.

I also see a difference between night game and day game. Where there is no "time bridge", there is no need to exchange contact details or social media details, because you are going for the bang that night, right then and there. More "traditional" game can take place even though women are still distracted by their phones at night and the changes in online habits have made night game a shadow of what it used to be. Still if you find the right girl and you run good game, you can get the bang without any reliance on social media at all. On the other hand, if there is a time bridge, nearly all the time in day game or in night game where you don't go for or cannot get the SNL, the girl has more time to step back, pause, reflect, and go through the "ID Verification Process". This impacts day game which pisses me off. We used to think of "online game" as specifically dating apps. But now it's infected everything. Anglo cities' SMPs have been trashed by internet + smartphones + feminism, to the extent where local girls of below average looks are unattainable by cold approach unless you come in the top 5-10% of everything, including social media presence.

I don't just think it is only about the ridiculously high standards per se: Feminism has indoctrinated young women with lies about men in general which cultivates an air of paranoia and suspicion over any heterosexual male, period. Further inspection into his life via the "ID Verification Process" may help to alleviate that fear. Anglo society has become increasingly exclusive where the only good quality local women left aren't even available by day game anymore - you need social circle for that.

If the destruction of what the mainstream calls the "Economy" (stock markets, interest rates, bond yields, house prices, wages etc.) were occurring on the scale that the "Sexual Economy", then it would be 10x worse than the 2008 financial crisis, and the news would be reporting on it 24/7, plus unlike recessions which occur from time to time, the decline of the SMP is showing no signs of slowing down let alone reversing. If a man in Brazil is complaining about it, Brazil, then most cities in the Anglosphere you'd pretty much have to write them off entirely, barren wastelands for the heterosexual male.

[Banna]

FFS......I was opened by this 26 year old over the weekend and she asked me if she could link me via snapchat and I said I don't have an account.

Her demeanor went from smiley to: "You gotta be kidding me?" The conversation ended pretty abruptly which really is no big loss to me because she wasn't anything special looking anyways. And even if I was....I'm not going through all this bs to get with a girl.

Texting and whatsapp which helps me keep in touch with friends overseas is enough for me.

How many more of these damned attention whoring sites will keep popping up as the new fad to keep in touch with these broads?

Like whatsapp which I think is wonderful is soon going to be seen as obsolete.

[Mayo]

If you want to max this out, you can go fully offline for a year, like The Verge's Paul Miller did: https://www.theverge.com/2012/4/30/29887...t-internet

Of course, that means no Roosh V Forum for the year. You can even blog offline about your experience with the help of a friend who publishes your writings. Now, that would be something.

One year later, Paul was back: https://www.theverge.com/2013/5/1/427967...e-internet

[Hazaer]

Great thread with lots of information. Its worth noting that today smart phones will give your fb info as well when someone has your number. fb links your mobile number to your fb account.

On another note, how have you guys gotten success arranging for a date after cold approaching someone and getting her fb? Waiting 2 days or more before accepting her request has been recommended. After accepting, how to proceed? Should there be some back and forth and if so, for how many days before going for the date? Suggestions for possible fun content in the back and forth would be great.

Cheers.

[ksbms]

(05-09-2017 07:13 PM)Skank_Hunt Wrote:  

Great OP, also good addition by civpro (i.e. that the situation in Anglo countries is significantly worse).

I keep whatsapp/viber etc. simply because it allows contact with people abroad, to send other forms of media etc. It's still a 1-to-1 thing. If you have a girl's "whatsapp" then you have her "number".

There is no doubt in some countries in the world, the dating apps work well and it would be silly not to use them, not disagreeing with QC in that respect.

However I have no FB, SC, IG or any other social media attention whoring platforms. It may have cost me a few bangs, where a girl is insistent on seeing my social media almost as a bank style ID verification process (see civpro's post on Anglo countries). How ironic that who you really are is more likely to be decided based upon a fancy digital ideal of yourself that you have built up over time, more so than your actual body language and verbal game [...]

Amen to that. I don't use any online dating shit, no snapcrap, no IG. Build the character and emotional control over real interactions as per DG/NG. Be a man, not a boy.

[ksbms]

I love this guy!

[Kid Twist]

I think the most helpful advice would be directing people WHERE to get access. I've talked about this before, and I'll say it again. There are a lot of factors out there that make the rich west a problem, tech is just one of them.

[Noir]

@ksbms, there's plenty of ways to skin a cat.

It doesn't have to be either/or. You can only be present in person in one place at a time.

Online presence (passive via IG/FB) lets you be in more than one place than once. You're on demand.

Do you also watch DVDs?

Jokes aside, this is a compliment to your life and a sneak peek in.

Two girls messaged me last night (one in Australia, the other in the UK) who I haven't spoken to in a while. They are hot but most importantly, they are down to earth and fun to be around. I know I have 2 extra places to chill at when I visit those countries.

I wasn't present, I wasn't there. If I want some pussy ASAP, I can always hit a local bar and come right, no problem.

Diversify your streams.

[Kieran]

I don't use social media but I must admit I've been feeling the pressure to maybe get on Snap recently because it seems to be really active with girls, and practically every girl I meet asks for it. It doesn't seem like it would take too much effort either, I just can't get past how feminine it feels to post photographs for people's approval at the moment.

[Stakes Is High]

1 month no facebook. im down to about 5 visits to instagram per day as well.. The world seems more correct these days.

[TooFineAPoint]

No computer. No electricity. No spoon and fork.

No art. No language. No shelter.

At a certain point, the onus falls on one's self control and focus, and not on the tools available.

[ksbms]

Every man should weigh pros and cons and decide. By default, online isn't the way of a Real Man. Why? Because if it were, it would be just as easy for the guy using online to approach women in real life. But it isn't so. And being a Real Man is facing up challenges, not going the easiest possible route.

I reckon day game is the biggest challenge - girls are not primed as in a bar/club, no alcohol and nowhere to hide - the feedback from a girl (either no, idate, sdl or rejection) is RAW. Most men aren't tough anymore. They may be jacked up and have square jaws but mentally they aren't tough. If you can't face an adversity of being rejected by a little girl and need to hide behind a screen, I'll laugh at you. You don't need to succeed at all, that's a different story. But when I see guys saying "I'd fuck that girl over there." with a confident voice, I smirk and say "ok, then go and talk to her." All of a sudden a deluge of buffers to face rejection mount in front of me. The unfortunate guy begins to turn red, sweat, rub his hands and melts down trembling in front of me. Why is it so hard?! But he's a boss on Tinder and sends profligately randy messages there but can't say "Hi, I saw you and would like to talk to you", in person.

The most hilarious are armchair experts of dg/ng who tell you how to do things that they've never even tried themselves but they got this overconfidence from getting online pussy. You still need to do things but she's already attracted to you and a lot of job is done based on your appearance only. Mostly don't fuck it up game.

Now, if you SUPPLEMENT dg/ng with online because of genuine lack of time (say, you're a surgeon, pilot, etc.) then it's a different story. No man is so busy he can't make an approach here or there unless you live on a desert island.

So go out there (whenever you can) and show women there still are real men out there who have brass balls. She didn't like you? Rejected you? Who cares, that's her choice and potentially her loss.

Zero fucks given, bros.

[Noir]

@ksbms

It's not binary, either/or. You can do both.

You can approach and solidify the connection with a facebook/insta follow up.

Thing is, the girl initiates this 99% of the time so you just flirt with her about it.

It's not about being busy, it's about being smart about it.

I take protein powder (facebook) when I go to the gym (game girls in real life).

I am not taking protein without going to the gym.

Gym will give me results but protein will supplement this.

I am starting to believe guys who are against social media either have nothing to share with women (fantasy wise) or are simply intimidated by technology or stubborn.

There is literally no benefit to not using these tools to broaden your chances of getting laid or staying in touch.

It takes minimum effort and it's becoming a KYC procedure with bishes; They want some form of legitimacy and they unilaterally voted between themselves that FB/IG is the KYC of choice.

It allows them to hamster about your value, assuming you are mysterious or not narcissistic enough to speak about yourself to them all day that they are still curious.

Their internal checklist is pretty high-school too;

- do we have mutual friends?
- how many likes does he have?
- is this how he spends his free time?
- who is that girl in that photo with him?

etc. etc.

I reiterate, this is complimentary to your game and you have the final choice as to who you allow in and out.

It's a free world and this is a tool so I suggest using it.

Works for me, when I travel, when I meet girls, when I miss girls and they miss me, when I need to organize logistics easily, when I want to share something cool to many girls at once and the list goes on.....

[FlyHigher123]

There are leaders and followers. The key point in using social media as a tool is being a leader.
Don't waste your time consuming and liking other peoples stuff on Snapchat/Instagram, instead build your own presence. Have a profile that shows your interesting lifestyle, that gets you ahead of 95% of the other guys.