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01-08-2015, 11:51 AM
First, I'm not talking about marriage and there are no children involved, just living with a gf. I've started to think that living with a woman is detrimental to a man's goals. Whether you want to improve yourself, earn more money, or just become better than the average guy on the street, I think living with a woman is a burden and not a benefit.
She may be a great girl, and feminine, but there is something about this situation that seems to make things worse the vast majority of the time. What are the reasons for this, and do you guys agree?
Having her there makes getting sex too easy. You lose the freedom to bring other girls to your house. You're always doing things with her. You are more exposed to her daily trivial problems and emotional swings. All of these things sap your energy, and make you less ambitious, less hungry, and less motivated to get shit done just for you. They are like children, and invariably our paternal and protective instincts kick in and have to deal with them.
There is only a finite amount of willpower and energy in each of us, our daily life meter is not infinite. Energy expended on them is energy that can't be used for ourselves.
I'm not saying that achieving all of what we strive for suddenly becomes impossible when she's living with you, but she becomes the proverbial ball and chain, though some are heavier and some lighter. Maybe this is all part of some grand evolutionary adaptation in us to encourage the formation of family units. I suppose in the mythical tribal times we always allude to, we lived in family units, so a woman's BS could be diffused to other women and men more readily than it can be today.
Is this an *inherent* part of male/female nature when placed into this living context? That's what I'm curious about.
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01-08-2015, 12:09 PM
I would never live with a girlfriend or any woman for that matter. Especially if her area code is 911 man all it takes is one call to the police in a heated argument and your life will never be the same.
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01-08-2015, 12:40 PM
I have lived with a few chicks, in my time. I even had one secretly move her shit in on my without my knowing.
I didn't like it to be honest. I think I just enjoy my personal space and time alone. I accomplish more and have a problem with people who start wanting more from me than I am willing to give.
I have friends who are married or living with women. Some cheat on the side. Those that cheat are not particularly happy in their marriage but love their kids enough to stay married.
I don't think there is a right or wrong on this. Just a matter of personal taste.
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01-08-2015, 01:23 PM
I've done it several times and it depends on the girl, honestly. I've had bad experiences where the neediness and clinginess lose their charm and zap your energy but I've also had instances where I was able to focus on my goals, resting assured that my needs, like home cooked meals, sex on tap, clean house, social calendar managed, dry cleaning picked up, etc, were all done efficiently by her.
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01-08-2015, 02:16 PM
I'd only do it with a rented house, unless I was married to her.
If you owned the house, had her move in, a few months later should could be kicking you out of your own house if she made up some assault story.
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01-08-2015, 08:36 PM
As someone who has lived with a girlfriend, yes, it's terrible.
Don't ever live with a woman unless you are marrying her.
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01-09-2015, 01:00 AM
Last summer, I lived with at least 2 feminists (not sure about the third chick), a white knight, and an annoying prick for an little over an entire month. AND dropped almost $600 to move in there that month.
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01-09-2015, 01:10 AM
Yes. You go through the same problems only without the legal implications. Why would you have a woman live with you anyway? Simply having a girlfriend is poisonous enough. Too much time wasted giving them their "needs". I just want to fuck and be done with it.
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01-09-2015, 02:24 AM
Living with women is fine, I like fresh clean linnen, an endless supply of clean clothes and a neat and tidy home. So far the various women in my life have done this far better than I could by myself.
I cook because most women didn't learn how to and are usually shit at it, I keep the lawns, she the garden.
Always have a workshop with fridge and bar stools for the mates if you want cerebral stimulation and humour in your life
I always make sure there's a spare bedroom, if she fucks me off too much, she goes there for the night, no questions plus the mates can stay over if they get too pissed
If you set the dynamics right at the very begining you won't have any issues, never change mid stream. If she doesn't swallow, fuck her off immediately as its a sign of poor fucking etiquette
I hope this helps
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01-09-2015, 02:42 AM
It depends on who you talk to and their previous experiences.
I looks like the marriage is stupidest thing you can do as a man by reading posts here. (hey my friend got raped in divorce court. hey my friend got cheated on etc)
I believe there are many hidden unhappy couples but I am sure there are a lot of happy couples too.
It's about who you want to hear and how you want to be.
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01-09-2015, 04:03 AM
Just don't go within 1000 yards of any woman (and man) and you will be safe. Unless a bear eats you.
Life is risk. Calculated risks must be taken to gain anything from life.
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01-09-2015, 03:37 PM
As someone who lived with an ex-girlfriend in the past, I would say, "Yes."
Roissy wrote this a while back, but living with a woman removes any and all semblance of mystery. Remove the mystery and you might as well start the countdown...
Now, living with a woman can be good so long as you're able to get out unscathed (pregnancy, legal issues, etc.) because it's kind of like a red pill, real life, master's degree. You'll pay for it in time, atrophied muscles, ambitions, and sex drive. You'll have to - in some ways - start over when it ends.
At the same time, I made up for lost time in my blue pill days when it comes to learning about a woman's true nature. There were trade-offs, but I learned a lot.
For all the advice pro or con, western vs. ee, sometimes you just need to find out for yourself. Suffice it to say, if you live with a woman... you'll find out.
Lastly, any woman you move in with is looking for marriage. Maybe not now, but make no mistake that is the plan. By taking action to move in with her, you are signaling to her that you're looking for marriage as well.
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01-09-2015, 04:28 PM
Quoting a rare bit of George Constanza wisdom here: " I have no hand. I need some hand in this relationship."
Hand is your mystique, image and fortress of solitude. Don't discard that hand. Keep your hand, keep on your poker face and bust on hers. This is an extension of the appetizer thread. Frame vs lifestyle. I'm choosing frame on this one.
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01-09-2015, 05:49 PM
It depends completely upon the woman. If you've picked well, then your life improves. If not...
That being said, I think men rest upon a spectrum of preference when it comes to having a long-term relationship, depending upon how much they want to pair-bond or not. A lot of that is based upon genetics and upbringing, so your mileage as a man will vary a lot.
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