[lavidaloca]

I've noticed a trend in my personal life for people to vastly overestimate other peoples wealth particularly when it comes to multi millionaires. I end up seeing their finances at times in my career and most people have way less net worth then you think they do. I think a lot of Rooshers are way overestimating the wealth of ex-gf's dads. Even the offspring if they aren't told by their parents tend to way overestimate it.

[Baldwin81]

Fair point. Credit and a commitment to one's "image" can make a lot of people appear way more wealthy than they are. I'm convinced that many of the wealthiest people that one meets go undetected because they stay low-profile because they don't flaunt it.

Also, I realize that this isn't "super rich," but if you get to know someone who's worth say 20-30 MM it's going to come out that they're ballers eventually because - even if you want to - you can't hide being worth that much.

[iknowexactly]

(01-07-2015 10:29 AM)456 Wrote:  

Currently banging an extremely wealthy chick (I've referred to her as a NYC socialite 8 elsewhere).
... dodge pre-nups.

Why dodge the prenup? The family will always suspect you of gold-digging if you do.

I've fantasized about rich girls and actually thought of suggesting a pre-nup because I want the relationship to be more equitable.

[iknowexactly]

(01-07-2015 11:38 AM)456 Wrote:  

(01-07-2015 11:34 AM)Brotein Wrote:  

I just make a habit of not being impressed by her wealth and acting like it's a normal thing.

Exactly -- no big deal. ...

As far as wealthy types only being comfortable around other wealthy types, I think this may be less of the case in NYC. There is a lot more inter-mingling. You can be non-wealthy but still have access to events / circles / venues.

Great thing about NY-- it's humbling for everybody.

"So you're rich? Big deal-- Gershwin, Bernstein,Coltrane, Thomas Wolfe, Kerouac, Jimi Hendrix, Bob Dylan walked these streets.
No one's going to remember JP Morgan balance had 9 digits not 6."

[456]

(01-11-2015 11:51 AM)iknowexactly Wrote:  

(01-07-2015 10:29 AM)456 Wrote:  

Currently banging an extremely wealthy chick (I've referred to her as a NYC socialite 8 elsewhere).
... dodge pre-nups.

Why dodge the prenup? The family will always suspect you of gold-digging if you do.

I've fantasized about rich girls and actually thought of suggesting a pre-nup because I want the relationship to be more equitable.

"Dodge pre-nups" was a figure of speech -- my overall point was I wouldn't want to be a gold-digger.

I think the coolest thing are the connections.

Also with super wealthy people / families, you'd be shocked how much they DO NOT PAY for things! People fall over backwards to offer them deals, discounts, free stuff, special services (i.e. famous restaurants that don't deliver will deliver to them), etc. Friends in high places (huge landlords reserving under-market-rate apartments for their wealthy friends).

Also it seems there is a notable subset of folks in these situations who truly value hard work and making their own wealth, even though they know their family has the wealth in the background. They don't want to rely on it, or be controlled by purse-strings. That is not to say the stereotype of lazy spoiled wealthy folks doesn't exist.

[Brotein]

(01-09-2015 04:55 PM)Baldwin81 Wrote:  

Fair point. Credit and a commitment to one's "image" can make a lot of people appear way more wealthy than they are. I'm convinced that many of the wealthiest people that one meets go undetected because they stay low-profile because they don't flaunt it.

Also, I realize that this isn't "super rich," but if you get to know someone who's worth say 20-30 MM it's going to come out that they're ballers eventually because - even if you want to - you can't hide being worth that much.

She acts pretty low profile, but she lives in a flat that is worth over 20MM. She's on another level.

It's also the same flat i spend a lot of my time in haha.

[Brotein]

(01-08-2015 03:46 PM)booshala Wrote:  

1. Girls like that usually are pretty on point when it seems like guys are Long conning them

2. Even if she's head over heels for you, it's her daddy's money. No incentive to give it to you unless you bring some value

3. Billionaires didn't get that way (especially in countries in Asia and Eastern Europe) by being saps. If he even smells anything wrong with you, you're very unlikely to get anything out of it. Also do they even have enforceable palimony laws in Russia?

I was married to a girl whose dad was $300m+ and her grandfather was a billionaire. Didn't see anything out of it except a few custom suits and a nice watch. (Un)luckily, I married her because I truly believed I loved her. Shouldn't let her father's wealth sway you at all.

I think you guys misunderstand where I am coming from. I wouldn't plan to marry her and then divorce her. I'd rather marry her and have a family with her. Never have to pay rent again, send my kids to the best private schools, take 5 holidays a year, live in a mansion.

Basically the good life with no problems.

I am not some scamster or fraud.

[WestIndianArchie]

@456

I've never dated millionaires, but i've dated more than a few chicks that make twice what I make.

Just a few

1) Some expect you to be the gentleman 100% of the time. I.E. you pay all the time. Something that comes with the territory when you date college students and teachers.

2) Other times you split, half and half, but she has champagne tastes. Find yourself putting in dollars on some shit that you don't even know about because you're not paying top bracket income tax. That not only fucks with your wallet, but it fucks with your manhood. You can't compete with this chick

3) other chicks have no problem spending, but they expect to wear the pants in the relationship

It can be all sorts of things. But money changes the dynamic.

You've got to be rock solid in your game, telling a chick what to do, telling her how to spend, and still keeping her on the team mentally.

WIA

[Brotein]

(01-07-2015 11:51 AM)Menace Wrote:  

You should try to use her connections to get yourself into a place where you can be part of an "event," which is really one of the few ways to become rich. Why would you even think about a "career" with a salary when you can potentially achieve so much more. I would start by figuring out what value you can bring to her father, or his business associates. How can you make them more money, or how can you help them lose less money? Springboard to more connections. You have to think really big..her pussy is the LEAST important thing about her.

I work in O&G too, so my plan is to continue seeing her become more serious and then at some point meet the dad. At this point he can then set me up with a well paid, high position job using his contacts.

From here I would live a life of prosperity and success from then on.

[456]

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[puckerman]

Getting her parents on your side is crucial. But you also need to get her friends on your side.

[stevoaus]

I'll add some more information. I have to change some details to ensure my identity is kept safe. Met my misses DayGaming in capital city. Small, cute, quiet but friendly. Went on a few dates, she generally offered to pay. Found out her old man was very successful, by then already in love.

Old man owns a massive shipping company in Asia. Also is developing massive amounts of property in a Western Country I do not want to name. Has property all over the world and has offered me some (I knocked it back, asked if he could teach me business instead). He has a few kids but they are all spoilt/lazy, I am hard working so he treats me like a son.

For dating rich girls you need to:
- Find them: Generally in high end malls. Question what they do, if the live alone

Treat them like any other girls. The filthy rich ones have very little idea about money and dont even know how rich they are

- Play the racial card:
If you are white, target rich asians/indians. Its easier for the family to like you as they view you as better than them

If I have time I will write up a complete datasheet as I have experience gold digging in the past

[Ingocnito]

I was engaged to one, and had a child with her (reason for engagement in my blue pill days).

My recommendation is to be very, very careful. Money at that level has one purpose.... control.

Her family tried pupeteering our very existence through sinister means. Sure everything was done with a smile and the pretense of good will, but this can make the aphorism "All's fair in love and war," completely lopsided.

I'd even go as far as saying that there is a cut off in their willfulness to exercise that power. If the family (extended, parents on down) is worth less than 15-20m, you're probably safe. But if they're worth much more than 20m, LOOK OUT !

[WestIndianArchie]

(01-16-2015 01:57 AM)Ingocnito Wrote:  

My recommendation is to be very, very careful. Money at that level has one purpose.... control.

Preach!

And if you're a person like me who is really cynical about our society...

WIA

[talldarkandhairy]

(01-16-2015 01:44 AM)stevoaus Wrote:  

- Play the racial card:
If you are white, target rich asians/indians. Its easier for the family to like you as they view you as better than them

For short term casual cock, sure. For marriage? I think you'll be rapidly ejected from the tradesman's exit

[DVY]

I come from a well-off family w/a good job so I slice between those economic stratas. Plus I have some $, nice whip, dress like a million bucks, and have some game.

I can add in:

- $ : My rich girls all expect me to pay for them aka "champagne wishes designer b-tches"
- Sex- Freakier than normal. Probably repressed childhoods. A lot of masochists. Freakier than thai P4P girls.
- BF- All of them have commitment issues. Its either a distrust of outsiders (rich fobs are constantly scared of getting robbed or hustled) or a lack of parental influence (parents working all the time and traveling)
- Drugs- 50/50 on this one. Most dabble but don't go overboard

Expect to have lots of hard up-front resistance and then have to constantly bolster the girl's ego after you start smashing regularly. Rich girls are a paradox. Extremely independent because they are not forced to work and enter the real world, but isolated in their existence because they rarely meet outsiders

[Travesty]

(01-16-2015 01:44 AM)stevoaus Wrote:  

- Play the racial card:
If you are white, target rich asians/indians. Its easier for the family to like you as they view you as better than them

Fuck yeah I want to play the race card, this is awesome!

[Porfirio Rubirosa]

Well, my current girlfriend is white from southern Africa (not South Africa); her family is wealthy but nothing ridiculous like £100,000,000. Fortunately, her family (especially her grandfather who obtained all the money in the first place) like me.

[Moto]

For dating rich girls generally, and this may seem so common sense it's not needed, but...

Good, sophisticated manners, at the table and otherwise. Of course, not try-hard or like you're trying to "act rich" yourself.

If you're a high- IQ guy, you can show this more rather than "dumbing yourself down" like I found myself doing to connect with girls who never cultivated their minds.

To re-iterate, make good first impressions with the parents and keep those good impressions.

Be motivated and self-actualizing yourself, even if being wealthy isn't year goal. A rich girl could totally be into a broke artist-type, but only one who is fully following his passion and lives a seemingly charmed life.

I've dated a couple rich girls, none super-rich.

[ChazKGB]

Hey, dating shipping family from Asia, get some connections from your gf and let's do some business.