[younggun]

My experience with metalheads is this: They are the most open-minded, but at the same time most close-minded people I've ever met.

What I mean is that, since metal is not available and popular in the mainstream, one would have to be pretty open-minded to explore and find a style of music so different than what they were raised on. But some metalheads, in the same way as hipsters, are so close-minded to anything other than metal that's too mainstream. I always got ridiculed by my metal friends because I listened to punk rock, rap, and even some pop music. I even got shit for listening to Metallica because it wasn't "metal" enough.

But yet, I still listen to metal. Why? Because you don't need to be "accepted" by the community to like something. It's the dumbest shit I've ever heard. Feminists preach things about culture that doesn't accept or promote female inclusion, but if they really wanted to join, why would it matter? If they really like metal music, go to concerts and enjoy yourself and you'll have a good time. I doubt any metalheads would corner a gay, woman, or black man and say that they aren't welcome

Someone posted this in another thread, but I feel like it's applicable to this post

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Pn1RVZu-24

[Fortis]

(12-14-2014 08:17 PM)Wutang Wrote:  

^ Metalgate will leave the hipsters face down, dead on the ground.

The cops will have to find them before another is found.

[godfather dust]

(10-23-2014 06:10 PM)Jameson Wrote:  

I went to Sonoma State and they're fucking the fraternities over "roofie" allegations, despite no one testing positive for anything, no one claiming to have witnessed someone placing roofied, and most importantly, no one wanted to touch the girls who said they were roofied.

Like you'd think if someone was spending money on drugs to put in your drink, they'd follow up with trying to sleep with you.

So happy I finished before this mess started

(12-14-2014 10:00 PM)Aziz Nuts Wrote:  

(12-14-2014 05:59 PM)enderilluminatus Wrote:  

I've decided to start listening to metal now that I know they are sworn enemies of the SJW movement. I don't know much about the genre and I'm looking for recommendations. I like Mastodon, The Sword, and Protest the Hero.

Fuck Protest The Hero. They're great musicians (seen 'em twice) but they're SJW to the core. Just read the lyrics to their latest album.

"Oh what a brave soul. He’s proud to be straight,
but like a host that feeds, bigotry inebriates.
And no one is ever been compromised
for being a white, straight male with two blue eyes.
And thus, a declaration of unwavering pride
walks hand in hand with Jesus, matching every stride."

God damn I never thought I'd see such pussified, simpering faggotry from a metal band!

[Wutang]

Metalsucks.net talking about Metalgate and they mention the RoK article - not in a positive way but looks like word is getting out there:

http://www.metalsucks.net/2014/12/15/wha...metalgate/

[infowarrior1]

(12-15-2014 07:19 PM)godfather dust Wrote:  

(10-23-2014 06:10 PM)Jameson Wrote:  

I went to Sonoma State and they're fucking the fraternities over "roofie" allegations, despite no one testing positive for anything, no one claiming to have witnessed someone placing roofied, and most importantly, no one wanted to touch the girls who said they were roofied.

Like you'd think if someone was spending money on drugs to put in your drink, they'd follow up with trying to sleep with you.

So happy I finished before this mess started

(12-14-2014 10:00 PM)Aziz Nuts Wrote:  

(12-14-2014 05:59 PM)enderilluminatus Wrote:  

I've decided to start listening to metal now that I know they are sworn enemies of the SJW movement. I don't know much about the genre and I'm looking for recommendations. I like Mastodon, The Sword, and Protest the Hero.

Fuck Protest The Hero. They're great musicians (seen 'em twice) but they're SJW to the core. Just read the lyrics to their latest album.

"Oh what a brave soul. He’s proud to be straight,
but like a host that feeds, bigotry inebriates.
And no one is ever been compromised
for being a white, straight male with two blue eyes.
And thus, a declaration of unwavering pride
walks hand in hand with Jesus, matching every stride."

God damn I never thought I'd see such pussified, simpering faggotry from a metal band!

Real Christian Metal:

My worship song.

[Quintus Curtius]

AB:

You're probably right. It's starting to look more and more to me that Henry Rollins is some sort of a SJW. Appearances are deceiving. In that video clip of him someone posted here, he was going off about fat chicks, dipshit women, whatever. So I just assumed he hated the whole feminist scene.

I'm just disappointed. I had seen some interviews of him where he seemed to be a red pill guy. Seems I was mistaken.

[philosophical_recovery]

(12-15-2014 08:53 PM)Quintus Curtius Wrote:  

AB:

You're probably right. It's starting to look more and more to me that Henry Rollins is some sort of a SJW. Appearances are deceiving. In that video clip of him someone posted here, he was going off about fat chicks, dipshit women, whatever. So I just assumed he hated the whole feminist scene.

I'm just disappointed. I had seen some interviews of him where he seemed to be a red pill guy. Seems I was mistaken.

He was, at best, a hardcore punk MGTOW. I learned a lot from watching his stuff years ago, but I had to steer clear of his fundamental philosophies and any political opinions he had. He's part of the Hollywood bubble, which only Bill Burr (and maybe others?) seems to have escaped.

[Aziz Nuts]

(12-15-2014 08:37 PM)Wutang Wrote:  

Metalsucks.net talking about Metalgate and they mention the RoK article - not in a positive way but looks like word is getting out there:

http://www.metalsucks.net/2014/12/15/wha...metalgate/

Metalsucks is absolutely terrible, but somehow they're the biggest metal blog. I'm gonna sound like a stormfront nut job for a minute here, but the entire site is a prime example of hyper-leftie, Jewish-controlled media. They basically post press releases and add stupid non-funny commentary. Lots of pro-gay/diversity/SJW stuff peppered all over their articles too.

[enderilluminatus]

I made a m/ account at RYM to celebrate my exploration of metal.

https://rateyourmusic.com/~METALGATE

If you don't have a rateyourmusic account I definitely recommend getting one. There is no better place to find new music. The charts alone are breathtaking. For example:

Highest rated metal albums of 2014

I'm sure you can find something there that you haven't heard and that you will like.

[TigerMandingo]

(12-13-2014 08:47 PM)Veloce Wrote:  

P.S. Fuck Serj Tankian. I never like SOD

Curious what you think about Rage Against the Machine. SJW's to the core, but goddamn they made some good music.

[SamuelBRoberts]

Are Rage Against the Machine SJWs? I can't really see them standing side by side with the faggots I wrote about, but I haven't listened to them in like 10 years.
Sure they were far left, but it was "smash the system", not "take over the system and use it to punish white men."

[Troll King]

Quote:

The only thing that really came out of that movement was the rise of "conscious rap". some good artists came out of that i.e. Talib Kweli, common (even though I REALLY don't like common), and Mf Doom/quasimoto. That genre of rap just doesn't sell as well as the mainstream "bitches and hoez" demographic does.

IF the feminists get anywhere with metal (that's a big IF since people after all are pretty much awake and tired of SJW bullshit after the recent gamergate/uva events etc)it would AT MOST, have the same impact as what happened with rap in the 90's. . .nothing at all.

Eh, don't you guys remember all the Tipper Gore shit from the 90s? I was a kid then but I had just recently gotten into metal and punk, and some grunge, and even a little gansta rap.

For all the long hair and dyed hair and tats and Marilyn Manson Emo and goth shit. Metal is metal.

What I have always been somewhat amazed by is how smart and knowledgeable metal and punk musicians are/have been. You had guys like Dee Snider from Twisted Sister testifying on first amendment rights issues in congress. I originally liked the music, and the rebellion, and I stayed and continue to listen to those bands after all these years, because they aren't just good, and sometimes not all that good, musicians but they are intelligent people.

Go and read some of Henry Rollins essays. Or Marilyn Mansons. I look back at some of it and it all seems a bit try hard in some ways, and worse in other ways with respect to how Manson and a few others basically created all this Emo shit, but there is no doubt that these guys are smart. One of the things they love the most isn't just music but also simply pissing the establishment off.

If anything happens with this, I suspect it will actually create a resurgence in metal/rock/punk.

[enderilluminatus]

Serj's voice is so dynamic and chilling I think I could forgive him for anything.

[AnonymousBosch]

(12-16-2014 02:12 AM)SamuelBRoberts Wrote:  

Are Rage Against the Machine SJWs? I can't really see them standing side by side with the faggots I wrote about, but I haven't listened to them in like 10 years.
Sure they were far left, but it was "smash the system", not "take over the system and use it to punish white men."

SJW's? I guess there's some degree of that, but I always found their lyrics vague, so who knows. Smashing the system, Globalisation, Corrupt Media, Sexism, Rape and Evil Corporations were what my generation's SJW's whined about.

A core text:



Also:

[Deluge]

(12-16-2014 02:12 AM)SamuelBRoberts Wrote:  

Are Rage Against the Machine SJWs? I can't really see them standing side by side with the faggots I wrote about, but I haven't listened to them in like 10 years.
Sure they were far left, but it was "smash the system", not "take over the system and use it to punish white men."

RATM were Socialists and explicitly supported Marxist groups in Latin America, like the Zapatistas. They were old left, not new left. Even young Socialists in 2014 have little in common with feminists, SJW's, environmentalists etc.

[LeBeau]

(12-15-2014 06:03 PM)younggun Wrote:  

But yet, I still listen to metal. Why? Because you don't need to be "accepted" by the community to like something. It's the dumbest shit I've ever heard. Feminists preach things about culture that doesn't accept or promote female inclusion, but if they really wanted to join, why would it matter? If they really like metal music, go to concerts and enjoy yourself and you'll have a good time.

Great post.

An important part of growing as a red pill man is removing your ego from your interests.

Similar to rolling out solo, too many guys are afraid to go check out a show on their own if they don't have buddies with them or if they feel like they might be judged for it.

Or even worse, they let particular scenes define their lives and just become a caricature.

This is another reason why I would dissuade guys from trying to get into certain subcultures just for girls. It's not congruent to begin with, and you should be pursuing something you're genuinely interested in.

Once women see that passion, then they can become more intrigued as a bonus, but you should be enjoying whatever you do in the first place regardless of female attention.

[El Chinito loco]

(12-15-2014 08:53 PM)Quintus Curtius Wrote:  

AB:

You're probably right. It's starting to look more and more to me that Henry Rollins is some sort of a SJW. Appearances are deceiving. In that video clip of him someone posted here, he was going off about fat chicks, dipshit women, whatever. So I just assumed he hated the whole feminist scene.

I'm just disappointed. I had seen some interviews of him where he seemed to be a red pill guy. Seems I was mistaken.

Henry Rollins has always been a proto-hipster. He puts on airs as being a man's man but he's just another poetry spouting pretentious musician. He rode the Blackflag gravy train and the mainstream accolades given to him for being in the punk scene. I think he's an outright fraud in a lot of ways. I've always thought his image was very manufactured for public consumption and to try and showcase how edgy he is. His whole spoken word tour thing is very try hard proto-hipster bullshit.

[AnonymousBosch]

(12-16-2014 03:11 AM)El Chinito loco Wrote:  

Henry Rollins has always been a proto-hipster. He puts on airs as being a man's man but he's just another poetry spouting pretentious musician. He rode the Blackflag gravy train and the mainstream accolades given to him for being in the punk scene. I think he's an outright fraud in a lot of ways. I've always thought his image was very manufactured for public consumption and to try and showcase how edgy he is. His whole spoken word tour thing is very try hard proto-hipster bullshit.

Yeah, you see it too. This is a man constantly bragging about his consumption of great works of literature, poetry and music whilst shaming others for their low taste. Strangely, none of this high art consumption seems to have influenced his own writing, storytelling or music into anything beyond juvenilia.

This results in lyrics like this:

Quote:

hard times are gettin' harder, the liars are acting strong
you better get a grip on yourself or you won't be around too long

This is high intelligence? I'll point to something like 'A Man and A Woman' as sounding like a 4Chan Edgelord.

I admire his work ethic - I can't sit still either - but, damn, I just wish the quality of art produced matched the rhetoric.

Tumblr or Rollins?

[Benoit]

(12-16-2014 08:20 AM)AnonymousBosch Wrote:  

Yeah, you see it too. This is a man constantly bragging about his consumption of great works of literature, poetry and music whilst shaming others for their low taste. Strangely, none of this high art consumption seems to have influenced his own writing, storytelling or music into anything beyond juvenilia.

I admire his work ethic - I can't sit still either - but, damn, I just wish the quality of art produced matched the rhetoric.

Rollins is definitely an odd one. He's full of anger and passion, but his politics are very soft. He does have excellent storytelling skills, and his spoken-word performances are very funny and engaging. Even his books are enjoyable if you like reading the diaries of a depressed man who hates crowds but is a minor celebrity.

A 'traumatic' childhood, spending his formative years on the edges of society in punk bands, and seeing his best friend shot to death in front of him... All these combined created a rootless being who's willing to take a stand against society but deeply wants to be wanted.

He's also from the same place as the Straight Edge types - delighting in the denial of pleasurable excesses is something that only damaged people would invent. Superficially it may resemble stoicism, but the overwhelming smugness and superiority exhibited by its adherents is a vice far worse than those they rail against.

[AnonymousBosch]

(12-16-2014 11:05 AM)Benoit Wrote:  

A 'traumatic' childhood, spending his formative years on the edges of society in punk bands, and seeing his best friend shot to death in front of him... All these combined created a rootless being who's willing to take a stand against society but deeply wants to be wanted.

I've guarantee you my childhood was just as rough as Rollins', death included. We're very similar guys - highly-driven, restless and physical - and a lot of his self-motivation spiels are solid advice, but our outlooks vastly differ on the world and our relation to it. Why is that?

He carries the SJW / Degenerate idea that you're permanently-defined and scarred by your traumas, rather than developing healthy coping skills that let you carry the burden without collapsing from despair or developing anti-social personality disorders, such as his elitist / intellectual posturing barely masking his self-loathing. For a guy who travels and claims to have met more people than anyone he knows, he has a love of stereotyping others when it suits his politics.

My grandmother saw more violent death during the war years than Rollins, and was a charming woman who loved life, community and family. She saw the worst of what people were capable of, yet continued to believe in their best.

Trauma doesn't need to scar and define you. True strength is taking the violent blows without letting them poison your soul, and remaining open to the possibility of goodness in other people. This is the war I'm constantly fighting, and there's been a shift in wider culture over the last 15 years towards suspicious, anti-social pessimism, which is making positivity a harder state to remain in. To be honest, I sometimes think this board is a bad influence on me.

I'd guess Rollins was mentally-damaged before Joe Cole was shot. He strikes me as someone who uses the size iron gives you to shield himself from contact with other people. Coupled with his cheerleading for feminism whilst being uninterested in emotionally-connecting with a women; the use of weights as protection and the hatred of alpha male masculinity; and I'd suspect you're looking at a guy who was a sexually-abused child, which would explain the relentless gay cheerleading, because if gay is positive and normalised, his trauma isn't shameful, particularly as some abused men who consider themselves as being heterosexual fall into a pattern of trying to recreate the phantom of their abuse, never identifying it as 'gay' sex.

The human mind is a fascinating, terrible thing.

[Days of Broken Arrows]

(12-16-2014 03:07 PM)AnonymousBosch Wrote:  

(12-16-2014 11:05 AM)Benoit Wrote:  

A 'traumatic' childhood, spending his formative years on the edges of society in punk bands, and seeing his best friend shot to death in front of him... All these combined created a rootless being who's willing to take a stand against society but deeply wants to be wanted.

I've guarantee you my childhood was just as rough as Rollins', death included. We're very similar guys - highly-driven, restless and physical - and a lot of his self-motivation spiels are solid advice, but our outlooks vastly differ on the world and our relation to it. Why is that?

He carries the SJW / Degenerate idea that you're permanently-defined and scarred by your traumas, rather than developing healthy coping skills that let you carry the burden without collapsing from despair or developing anti-social personality disorders, such as his elitist / intellectual posturing barely masking his self-loathing. For a guy who travels and claims to have met more people than anyone he knows, he has a love of stereotyping others when it suits his politics.

My grandmother saw more violent death during the war years than Rollins, and was a charming woman who loved life, community and family. She saw the worst of what people were capable of, yet continued to believe in their best.

Trauma doesn't need to scar and define you. True strength is taking the violent blows without letting them poison your soul, and remaining open to the possibility of goodness in other people. This is the war I'm constantly fighting, and there's been a shift in wider culture over the last 15 years towards suspicious, anti-social pessimism, which is making positivity a harder state to remain in. To be honest, I sometimes think this board is a bad influence on me.

I'd guess Rollins was mentally-damaged before Joe Cole was shot. He strikes me as someone who uses the size iron gives you to shield himself from contact with other people. Coupled with his cheerleading for feminism whilst being uninterested in emotionally-connecting with a women; the use of weights as protection and the hatred of alpha male masculinity; and I'd suspect you're looking at a guy who was a sexually-abused child, which would explain the relentless gay cheerleading, because if gay is positive and normalised, his trauma isn't shameful, particularly as some abused men who consider themselves as being heterosexual fall into a pattern of trying to recreate the phantom of their abuse, never identifying it as 'gay' sex.

The human mind is a fascinating, terrible thing.

I've interviewed Rollins. A complex character. He can be mind-boggling intellectual one minute, then rant like an eighth grader about the sexual things he'd like to do to Ann Coulter the next.

The only person I've ever met like him is my cousin, who is a professor of theology and so opinionated the family clears out when he enters a room. I like guys like these. They make me seem less extreme. But I digress.

One big reason Rollins is a "gay cheerleader" is because being gay meant something totally different to his generation when he was a teen. Gays were the outcasts and underdogs and received regular hate and bullying -- which school officials and cops basically laughed away.

I'm around ten years younger than him, but I actually remember a college administrator bragging to me he was going to fire a "flamer" (slang for a gay guy), because the guy was gay. Problem was, the "flamer" was a competent, decent guy who bothered no one. What was the point of this?

Watching innocent people go about their business and catch hell is not pleasant. But that's what it was like then with gays. So if you were an outsider (i.e. punk rocker or artist) and/or had any sense of decency, you sided with the gays.

Two or three decades on, America's demographics, culture, and laws have drastically changed to the point where this situation is almost reversed. But it was a different world when we both came of age. And just like my grandmother continued to think it was still 1956 and Italian-Americans were "oppressed," a lot of Rollins' generation still thinks it's still 1986 and America treats gays like it did then.

[Wreckingball]

(12-15-2014 01:12 PM)Blobert Wrote:  

(12-15-2014 12:57 PM)Wreckingball Wrote:  

Dear Mille, can you please be less agressive and brutal?

They DID become heaps less aggressive and brutal though. Just compare their 90's records to their early stuff.

They followed 90's trends and those albums suck. They have manned up again and are back to venom spitting teutonic thrash metal.

[Wreckingball]

(12-16-2014 03:29 PM)Days of Broken Arrows Wrote:  

(12-16-2014 03:07 PM)AnonymousBosch Wrote:  

(12-16-2014 11:05 AM)Benoit Wrote:  

A 'traumatic' childhood, spending his formative years on the edges of society in punk bands, and seeing his best friend shot to death in front of him... All these combined created a rootless being who's willing to take a stand against society but deeply wants to be wanted.

I've guarantee you my childhood was just as rough as Rollins', death included. We're very similar guys - highly-driven, restless and physical - and a lot of his self-motivation spiels are solid advice, but our outlooks vastly differ on the world and our relation to it. Why is that?

He carries the SJW / Degenerate idea that you're permanently-defined and scarred by your traumas, rather than developing healthy coping skills that let you carry the burden without collapsing from despair or developing anti-social personality disorders, such as his elitist / intellectual posturing barely masking his self-loathing. For a guy who travels and claims to have met more people than anyone he knows, he has a love of stereotyping others when it suits his politics.

My grandmother saw more violent death during the war years than Rollins, and was a charming woman who loved life, community and family. She saw the worst of what people were capable of, yet continued to believe in their best.

Trauma doesn't need to scar and define you. True strength is taking the violent blows without letting them poison your soul, and remaining open to the possibility of goodness in other people. This is the war I'm constantly fighting, and there's been a shift in wider culture over the last 15 years towards suspicious, anti-social pessimism, which is making positivity a harder state to remain in. To be honest, I sometimes think this board is a bad influence on me.

I'd guess Rollins was mentally-damaged before Joe Cole was shot. He strikes me as someone who uses the size iron gives you to shield himself from contact with other people. Coupled with his cheerleading for feminism whilst being uninterested in emotionally-connecting with a women; the use of weights as protection and the hatred of alpha male masculinity; and I'd suspect you're looking at a guy who was a sexually-abused child, which would explain the relentless gay cheerleading, because if gay is positive and normalised, his trauma isn't shameful, particularly as some abused men who consider themselves as being heterosexual fall into a pattern of trying to recreate the phantom of their abuse, never identifying it as 'gay' sex.

The human mind is a fascinating, terrible thing.

I've interviewed Rollins. A complex character. He can be mind-boggling intellectual one minute, then rant like an eighth grader about the sexual things he'd like to do to Ann Coulter the next.

The only person I've ever met like him is my cousin, who is a professor of theology and so opinionated the family clears out when he enters a room. I like guys like these. They make me seem less extreme. But I digress.

One big reason Rollins is a "gay cheerleader" is because being gay meant something totally different to his generation when he was a teen. Gays were the outcasts and underdogs and received regular hate and bullying -- which school officials and cops basically laughed away.

I'm around ten years younger than him, but I actually remember a college administrator bragging to me he was going to fire a "flamer" (slang for a gay guy), because the guy was gay. Problem was, the "flamer" was a competent, decent guy who bothered no one. What was the point of this?

Watching innocent people go about their business and catch hell is not pleasant. But that's what it was like then with gays. So if you were an outsider (i.e. punk rocker or artist) and/or had any sense of decency, you sided with the gays.

Two or three decades on, America's demographics, culture, and laws have drastically changed to the point where this situation is almost reversed. But it was a different world when we both came of age. And just like my grandmother continued to think it was still 1956 and Italian-Americans were "oppressed," a lot of Rollins' generation still thinks it's still 1986 and America treats gays like it did then.

There is a difference between gays and faggots.
Gays just like other guys and they don't blabber about it.
Faggots are always blabbering about how they are so fucking gay. Saying they are very much proud of taking it up the ass.
I have no "problems" with gays. I do have "a problem" faggots.


Also as far as i have seen this metalgate thing is targeting mainly American "heavymetal" bands. And several of these "heavymetal" bands I would not consider them heavy metal. Heavy as in hard sound yes, but not metal (IMO ofcourse).
The problem as I see, is that these targeted bands focus on a much younger and easily impressed demographic. Older guys would not give a shit about this, I don't really know how younger dudes will react.

[Andy_B]

I could easily see this just being trolling for clickbait revenue.

[enderilluminatus]

Thanks to this thread I have a new metal album I really like!



"Fertile Green" and "King of Days" are incredible.