[Saweeep]

(12-08-2014 12:29 AM)General Stalin Wrote:  

This is me bearing it all here fellas. I have an extremely recent story.

This has happened over the past couple weeks. I didn't mention it in my previous post because I wanted to see how this past weekend's date panned out before I spilled the beans.

There is this cute girl that works in finance at my company. I had eyes for her since she started so I struck up dialogue with her and asked her out to lunch one day. We hit it off, got her number, and made legit date plans the following week. I have now gone on 3 dates with her and I haven't even so much as kissed her - I have tried to but she has turned me down saying she "takes a while to warm up." You know those cringe-worthy moments when you go to make a move on a girl and she physically turns away and pulls back and tries to change the subject and shit gets awkward? Yeah... its been like that. Because she seems so meek, sweet, and innocent I have been involuntarily putting on the nice guy act and being a total chump with her walking her to her car, making dinner, and generally being a "gentleman." Despite this, she still wants to hang out and I still have a date lined up with her tomorrow, and her being almost 100% physically unavailable to me hasn't made me tell her to get lost yet.

Truth be told, she is incredibly conservative (read: not slutty), very feminine, nurturing, and submissive as fuck and will seemingly do whatever I want to do and go where ever I want to go (as long it has nothing to do with her and I being physical with one another?) and it makes me think she may be a good girl to keep around long term. What is wrong with me.

You say she's submissive as fuck....well you need to be a little more caveman with submissive girls. They are only submissive to a dominant man.

Just grab her by the hair and kiss her. She's probably desperate for you to do something like this.

If you don't you are on a one way trip to the friend zone.

[SJE]

(12-08-2014 07:51 AM)CrashBangWallop Wrote:  

(12-08-2014 12:29 AM)General Stalin Wrote:  

This is me bearing it all here fellas. I have an extremely recent story.

This has happened over the past couple weeks. I didn't mention it in my previous post because I wanted to see how this past weekend's date panned out before I spilled the beans.

There is this cute girl that works in finance at my company. I had eyes for her since she started so I struck up dialogue with her and asked her out to lunch one day. We hit it off, got her number, and made legit date plans the following week. I have now gone on 3 dates with her and I haven't even so much as kissed her - I have tried to but she has turned me down saying she "takes a while to warm up." You know those cringe-worthy moments when you go to make a move on a girl and she physically turns away and pulls back and tries to change the subject and shit gets awkward? Yeah... its been like that. Because she seems so meek, sweet, and innocent I have been involuntarily putting on the nice guy act and being a total chump with her walking her to her car, making dinner, and generally being a "gentleman." Despite this, she still wants to hang out and I still have a date lined up with her tomorrow, and her being almost 100% physically unavailable to me hasn't made me tell her to get lost yet.

Truth be told, she is incredibly conservative (read: not slutty), very feminine, nurturing, and submissive as fuck and will seemingly do whatever I want to do and go where ever I want to go (as long it has nothing to do with her and I being physical with one another?) and it makes me think she may be a good girl to keep around long term. What is wrong with me.

You say she's submissive as fuck....well you need to be a little more caveman with submissive girls. They are only submissive to a dominant man.

Just grab her by the hair and kiss her. She's probably desperate for you to do something like this.

If you don't you are on a one way trip to the friend zone.

If went to kiss and she turned her head, id just walk away silently and find another girl. Guaranteed bang or not. No one embarrasses me like that.

The answer is not to get aggressive or argumentative. The answer is to find another situation where it wont happen, this is done by removing or limiting exposure to those who do it.

Best friend undermines attempts to bang, limit contact with said friend. Create an environment where you are king. Socially exile those who challenge your power. Execute those from your life who break your own intrisic laws.

[Nascimento]

(12-08-2014 12:29 AM)General Stalin Wrote:  

This is me bearing it all here fellas. I have an extremely recent story.

This has happened over the past couple weeks. I didn't mention it in my previous post because I wanted to see how this past weekend's date panned out before I spilled the beans.

There is this cute girl that works in finance at my company. I had eyes for her since she started so I struck up dialogue with her and asked her out to lunch one day. We hit it off, got her number, and made legit date plans the following week. I have now gone on 3 dates with her and I haven't even so much as kissed her - I have tried to but she has turned me down saying she "takes a while to warm up." You know those cringe-worthy moments when you go to make a move on a girl and she physically turns away and pulls back and tries to change the subject and shit gets awkward? Yeah... its been like that. Because she seems so meek, sweet, and innocent I have been involuntarily putting on the nice guy act and being a total chump with her walking her to her car, making dinner, and generally being a "gentleman." Despite this, she still wants to hang out and I still have a date lined up with her tomorrow, and her being almost 100% physically unavailable to me hasn't made me tell her to get lost yet.

Truth be told, she is incredibly conservative (read: not slutty), very feminine, nurturing, and submissive as fuck and will seemingly do whatever I want to do and go where ever I want to go (as long it has nothing to do with her and I being physical with one another?) and it makes me think she may be a good girl to keep around long term. What is wrong with me.

As long as you pick a moment where the two of you are isolated, she is comfortable around you, and you build up to the kiss, there is no way a girl should ever, ever turn it down if she likes you.

It doesn't matter if she's a virgin or you are only the third guy she's ever kissed. She will do it. If she likes you she can't help it. Even if she is more conservative. Even if a girl takes more time for sex (in her words) this is never true for a kiss.

She's got an agenda here. I'd say you need to next her (be willing to say no to a girl that will go out with you) and improve your skill in this area so you don't come across this problem again.

Don't worry man, I've had similar kissing issues in the past. The way I fixed it and became successful was practice, you can do the same.

[The Reactionary Tree]

I had a relationship in grad school with a girl. I would say that the entire relationship (I think it was just over a year, maybe a year and a half -dont really remember), I did every super beta thing I could possibly do: move in with her, being emotional, she cheated on me after she saw I was texting an ex-gf & I took her back, I endlessly apologized for every single thing, and I would try to win her heart back by buying her shit. Now she absolutely hates my guts several years later and refuses to talk to me. Even after the break up, I was still apologizing to her every time I saw her for the relationship.

In retrospect, I dont blame her. I was a sniveling, cowardly, pathetic beta male who was dependent on women for happiness. I was as contemptible as they come. Thinking back on it, all I can think to myself is "God damn, I was such a pathetic faggot." The old me deserved to be beaten with a hose.

[Brian Shima]

"Once a beta always a beta"

Any truth to that gents, do any of you think you would ever go back down that ugly rabbit hole?!

[Lothario]

^^^ No

[Moma]

Stalin, I've had the same issues too. She is running game, bro. These meek ones are often the most cunning. Cut her off but don't sweat. I mentioned I was experiencing the same crap with a DC transplant.

[General Stalin]

Thanks for all the advice guys. I have no problem being ballsy and just going for the kill - I've been the "when in doubt whip it out" guy before. As I've said I have straight gone in for the kiss a couple times with this girl but she just turned away and got coy. I think her perceived "safeness" gets me to keep going back to her despite her turning me down physically. I'd chalk that up to my own insecurities of being burned by easy girls in the past.

I'm planning on moving forward with date #4 tonight but its make or break for me.

[The Reactionary Tree]

(12-08-2014 09:20 AM)Brian Shima Wrote:  

"Once a beta always a beta"

Any truth to that gents, do any of you think you would ever go back down that ugly rabbit hole?!

Once you become self-aware, you begin to analyze your interactions with women asking yourself, "is this beta?" Even if you do end up doing something beta, you usually realize it shortly after the fact and make sure to correct it. Eventually, over time, it becomes natural to behave in a more alpha manner. You dont have to think about it. It has become your identity.

The only betas who remain betas are those who are completely unaware of the fact that they are betas. In their minds, they think they are the alpha male of their own realm. Their think their "game" is game (even though it doesnt work). They think that they are masculine based on their own definition of what being masculine is. Blue pill men will often believe that they are the most masculine, supreme alpha pimps out there despite being completely out of touch with the reality of their situation.

[JoyStick]

DUPE
http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-19792.html

[MrRoundtree]

Lately I was gaming a super hot 10 french girl at the bar, we danced a lot, we didn't make out there. She mentionned a boyfriend, she grabbed my crotch..she left. She added me on facebook, I received sexy pictures from her in lingerie. She is in my 1 year in europe thread, the girl is a 10 no doubt about it, bodywise and face wise. I never had a girl this sexy with me before.

There are two problems: the boyfriend and the fact she lives 1 hours away from Lille

Last wednesday we met up outside, she was super perfumed. She was supposed to stay the night and we were supposed to have something to eat and I assume everything would get super smoothly. Before she drove to meet me she said she is now working at 7 am the next morning and can't stay late, she has to go to her brother too. I stayed smooth and told her we will go to my place early...when she arrived she reached for my arm we walked around to get tobacco I overheard she thought I wanted to go to the apartment first but I told her I havent eaten and needed something to eat. We went to get pizza, we went to my place..by the window we were in smoking together she got close and we made out. After that I went to get two beers and we watched pictures of us with music on my laptop, I was kinoing her and then we made out again and when we finished her beers she said she had to go to her brother and drive back because of the work.


This is when things went bad, I tried to convince her to stay and we kissed somewhat again and I was holding her...but she said she had to leave lol..we kissed on the way back but the last kiss was pretty akward...

My theories on where I missed the bang

1. First instead of walking to get something to eat, should have went straight to the apartment I think to bang..I think if she kissed me at my place and grabbed my dick in the club (from outside the pants in the bar) she was either a very slutty girl but not DTF or her boyfriend cheated on her and she wanted to get that done ASAP and I wasted too much time.
2. She was down for the 2nd meeting but I blew it up by insisting too much before she left (but she told me she was going to get back to Lille after New Years)
3. She was never down to begin with and just wanted a Québécois friend

[Pontifex Maximus]

(12-05-2014 08:54 PM)Moma Wrote:  

(12-05-2014 05:01 PM)thyalmightyrhino Wrote:  

Post red pill? Two days ago. Cute girl in computer lab eye fucking the hell out of me, caught her three times in 30 min. She sat down next me me yesterday and I could feel her heart pounding, but didn't open up. No excuses, I channeled Betamus Maximus. I have to dial back on the Theanine too... It makes me too lazy. Do you guys take the full dosage?

What is the full dosage?

The full dosage is whatever the bottle says is a serving. So for me two pills.

[tallandblonde]

Not something I did but a girl who was a FWB of mine at one point told me that she dumped her BF and he sent her snaps of him crying and begging to have her back. If anything is more beta than this please let me know.

[Ricky Rose]

Lord knows how many beta things I've done before finding the red pill. Even just thinking about it all makes me want to vomit my guts out.

[Ensam]

Oh so many. One happened just this past week.

A girl I know asked me for a favor. Against my better judgement I agreed and told her when and where'd I'd be available to help her. Then she started trying to change it, I agreed to a few changes and finally said, you know I can't help you anymore. She flipped out and started calling me a misogynist and telling me how I'd never understand what it'd be like to be a woman trying to make it, etc. etc.

Lesson learned. Again.

At least I know enough now to walk away.

[baltysp]

This was post RP but I still had not internalized the true nature of women or learned the importance of frame and being able to walk away
Started seeing this LTR-worthy hottie and everything was solid for a little over a month, but then I completely lost frame due to her guilt-tripping and shaming. Got dumped about a week later and I tried getting her back by buying her a teddy bear and hand writing a note listing the 10 things I like about her the most (WTF was I thinking..). Needless to say it didn't work and she gave me the whole LJBF speech and "maybe we'll get back together in the future". I believed every word she said like a beta bitch boy and remained her "friend" (read: orbiter) for 2 months before finally cutting her off for good.

[The_Wonder]

Bird at uni. Funnily enough we went to the same 6th form but never really knew each other, she had a reputation though as the biggest slut in the year. Her and her flatmate would hangout in our flat a lot and talk about sex. They brought a film round one evening and at the end she said to me "you're so cute I just want to hug you" but I kinda froze and awkwardly laughed, coz me flatmates and her mate were all there.

Sometime later she left a post on my FB "I want you to robe me up every hour on the hour" (I used to wear a dressing gown all the time, coz I was lazy then, and she used to take the piss because of it) Once again I did nothing. She later found a few fuckbuddies, friend zoned me and then completely lost interest in me.

Thank fuck for game and the red pill...

[XPQ21]

Older guy here. I was an undergraduate in college between circa 1998 and 2002. I dated the same girl for the first 2 and a half years of school; she had been brought up very religiously and said she would never have sex before marriage. I visited her at her home over the summer the last year we were together and she was acting weird and distant - I found out later that she had banged her ex-boyfriend from home before I arrived. We broke up in the fall of the next school year and she started dating an acquaintance of mine whom she would go on to marry.

I think i was about 21 at that point. I recall soon after that this attractive 18 year old freshman goth girl was in my room one night having a conversation with me ,alone, after we had both had a bit to drink. It eventually turned to relationships, and she started talking about how she wasn't interested in serious relationships at that point, but liked what she termed "FWOPs" or "Friends With Other Privileges."

So there she was, alone in my room with the door closed, talking about a friends with benefits situation to me, and I was still suffering from severe oneitis about the other girl and just kind of nodded my head and listened to her talk while I drank some more. I guess eventually she got bored and left.

Beta level: ********************************************************************************​********************************************************************************​***********

I am pleased to say that while I have had many other tragedies in my life, I have mostly wised up since then.

[philosophical_recovery]

Showed up at a girl's work (a couple different girls) with flowers after we had kissed.

Told a girl that I loved her after we went on a movie date where she kept looking at me, waiting for me to make a move, but I pussied the fuck out for the entire film. We'd talk on the phone for hours at a time.

My bud and I were walking with 2 girls. One said she really wanted to make out right now. I froze like a fag. My friend, that night, went out late to hang out with them and apparently they got frisky and flashed them (which was a big deal when you're 13?). What an amateur I was. He then got her to flash us again the next day. I think I kissed her on the cheek like a fairy then wrote her a love letter.

When I completely lost frame with my first real girlfriend, I had an immense dread sensation of being trapped with her for the rest of my life, or possibly getting divorced if I knocked her up and married her (it's only logical to marry her, right?). I knew how she already manipulated me and would argue over things, embarrassing me in public.

I dumped her. That wasn't beta.

What was beta was the months afterward where I was an antisocial retard, lamenting my breakup with her, second guessing myself, and being afraid of hurting girls since then. I snapped out of it when a girl showed me her bellybutton ring and I number closed. Although, I think I did the dinner-as-first-date routine. It worked, then. She was also a virgin.

There was another time when I considered dropping my job and moving across country to be with a girl I fooled around with a few weeks. She sensed my obsession with her, then pulled a "I'm seeing someone else trick" that lead me to Roissy, then Roosh and others.

[eradicator]

oh man, i made a lot of idiot mistakes when I was young that cost me bangs. I went to school in a pussy paradise, didnt get laid the first 2 years of college despite being an athlete with groupies. overall a basic unwillingness to hit the killswitch to get girls into bed after getting them out on dates or making out with them at a party etc.

[Felix 5000]

.......

[N°6]

(12-02-2014 10:16 AM)Arcturus Wrote:  

Heavy it's funny that you mention that because I know a guy in his 50's who has been living with his ex wife and her bf for over a decade. The three of them even bought a house a few years ago. He has her on his health insurance plan at work.

Guys like that will never bat an eye before taking the blue pill over and over again.

That's worse than Beta, that is shameless cuckoldry. Most Betas would wince at this sorry tale.

[Thaitanium]

Had a bad case of oneitis for this girl.. Had sex with her before but got friendzoned after. After perhaps a year of being nice to her I took her to Istanbul for the weekend in a sort of desperate attempt to get myself out of the friendzone, had a penthouse overlooking the Bosporus, slept in the same bed.. Nothing happened.. Spent about 2000 euro's on that small trip in total. Still, in hindsight, not a bad price to pay for waking up and discovering the pill. Happened not longer after that disaster.

[s3k]

I'm having a hard time reading some of these, I don't even want to add to this thread anymore but every alpha started a beta, so we all have some fucked up stories. A positive is this thread gives me motivation to approach "just for the fuck of it though".

[BlueOcean]

I learned the hard way that no matter how nice you're to a girl, it's no guarantee she'll feel the same way back. Women
can talk all they want about how they want a " guy who treats me right" and "a real relationship", but women are usually mercenaries who
are looking out for themselves. If they can find a "better option" out there, they'll dump you quick. There's no loyalty whatsoever in women.

I also learned that women (even the shy prudish "good" girls from a culture as conservative as Muslim/Mormon/Indian/Christian/Asian)
crave alpha cock. Don't put pussy on the pedestal and have this idea that she's pure as snow and wants an "emotional connection with
a sweet guy." Women are animalistic about sex and that "good girl" charade is bullshit she makes up to fool beta orbiters and respectable society. That animalistic
side usually is kept repressed inside and (especially if she's Asian/Indian/Mormon/Muslim) often only revealed to guys who she feels aroused by. When
a woman does meet an alpha guy who turns her on, she's capable of doing a lot of raunchy stuff that would astonish every beta who's ever pined for her.

I'm not saying you should avoid relationships or marriage, but be aware that being a sweet-natured beta provider isn't going to satisfy her. You have to work hard on building
confidence, uping your game, improving your abilities in bed, and raising your SMV. That's what will keep a woman into you, but only for as long as you maintain
those traits. If you ever regress back to betaness, her eye will start to wander again.

Women want men to respect them, but it's difficult to respect women after you see their true nature.