[Rawmeo]

I would tell her the truth. I would say "well, I can tell you everything, just make sure you won't get offended, as I want to help you". She will lower her guard, and I will proceed. Been there, done that.

[bigbait]

(02-08-2015 01:54 AM)DrewP Wrote:  

Serious question- If a girl you rejected asked why, what would you say?

I think the vast majority of men would take the non-confrontational path of least resistance just like women do and generate some generic line like "I wasn't feeling the connection." It's hard to tell someone "you're fat" or "you're awkward." I'd rather if people would just be honest, but it's not realistic given our culture.

Being non-confrontational often doesn't deescalate the situation for me. I usually make it seem like it is the girl's fault, but I make up something that is not offensive.

[Dalaran1991]

(02-07-2015 06:56 AM)Rawmeo Wrote:  

When I eject, I always ask the girl to tell me where I screwed up, in order to improve my game for the next one. Here's one from 3 days ago, I already got the bang, but I wanted to include her in my rotation.

Me: "Well I enjoyed last night. I am free Friday or Saturday, which one do you prefer?"
Her: "I am busy a lot with work. I don't know when I will have time. If things change, I'll let you know."
Me: "In order to help me with the next person I will meet, can you tell me where I screwed up so I do not repeat the mistake with someone else?"

Go direct like that.

By doing that, I give her victory, and she will feel free to say anything that goes through her mind. I don't care about losing frame, I already ejected anyway.

Her answer was about the fact that I banged her the first night, it wasn't very "respectful". Yeah, throwing LMR isn't respectful either. Anyway, next.

I want to do this with an old plate that got away. She is now in Spain and I'm pretty sure I will never see her again.

I want to ask her what went wrong after I banged her and went on a few dates after. But I would have to ask through facebook. Is that even worth it?

[sandman972]

(02-07-2015 06:56 AM)Rawmeo Wrote:  

When I eject, I always ask the girl to tell me where I screwed up, in order to improve my game for the next one. Here's one from 3 days ago, I already got the bang, but I wanted to include her in my rotation.

Me: "Well I enjoyed last night. I am free Friday or Saturday, which one do you prefer?"
Her: "I am busy a lot with work. I don't know when I will have time. If things change, I'll let you know."
Me: "In order to help me with the next person I will meet, can you tell me where I screwed up so I do not repeat the mistake with someone else?"

Go direct like that.

By doing that, I give her victory, and she will feel free to say anything that goes through her mind. I don't care about losing frame, I already ejected anyway.

Her answer was about the fact that I banged her the first night, it wasn't very "respectful". Yeah, throwing LMR isn't respectful either. Anyway, next.

Your approach on the issue makes logical sense to us, men.

But heres the problem: a women will never answer you in a logical way thats game applicable, so its a lose-lose for you, because her advise well never help you. Its all emotion related bullshit that ties into female physiology that even she cant understand, so she answers you with societal accepted answers that sound logical, when really that isnt the real reason at all.

Plus lets just say for fun that it really was because you werent a "gentleman" and banged her too early. Why would you want to pay for sour milk when everyone else is getting it for free?

I wouldnt have tried to make plans with her the next day, but besides that you did nothing wrong, although I would have answered her disinterest text with a simple "nah". Had you had been "gentleman" you have have got the same answer of disinterest, just without the bang. So you got the bang, she doesnt want to meet up again, great, you came out with the win.

Maybe she felt like a slut and in that exact moment you texted her, she still had a bad taste in her mouth. Maybe the sex was bad. Maybe you texting her to make plans the next day came off as too needy. Maybe shes seeing another dude, who she sees as higher value. The list goes on.
It doesnt matter, theres really nothing you can do. You will never know the REAL answer. The only thing you can do is keep improving every aspect of your game which ultimately raises your perceived value that will carry on as long as possible after the bang.

[Mr Finish]

I recently went on a date that went great. I cold approached this girl at the mall and got her to agree to coffee. I escalate incredibly fast for being in a relatively crowded starbucks; ass grabbing, kissing, the whole nine. I pushed for an snl but to no avail; i figured the second date bang was in the bag. I text her 3 days later, and no response. Granted, this girl was in an ltr but i figured it was in the bag... i began pondering where I went wrong. Then, I literally bump into her while I'm coming out of a j. Crew. I tell her she should swing by my place later on in the week and, after major lmr, slam. I think game is part science and part timing. The sheer fact that timing was on my side got me that lay. Just my opinion.

[B-Nut]

(02-09-2015 12:11 AM)Mr Finish Wrote:  

I recently went on a date that went great. I cold approached this girl at the mall and got her to agree to coffee. I escalate incredibly fast for being in a relatively crowded starbucks; ass grabbing, kissing, the whole nine. I pushed for an snl but to no avail; i figured the second date bang was in the bag. I text her 3 days later, and no response. Granted, this girl was in an ltr but i figured it was in the bag... i began pondering where I went wrong. Then, I literally bump into her while I'm coming out of a j. Crew. I tell her she should swing by my place later on in the week and, after major lmr, slam. I think game is part science and part timing. The sheer fact that timing was on my side got me that lay. Just my opinion.

This is a great point. Think about how interesting that is, if you didn't just run into her again on accident, you would never of heard from her again, ever.

This is why I think cold approach is the toughest avenue to get chicks. The variable of "random stranger" still exists even if she does like you. Like even if a chick thinks your mr alpha and would bang you easily if you met at work or any other avenue.....but cold approach it's just not the correct setting for her to feel it's anything socially acceptable

And there might be a "it's meant to be" factor in here mind by rationalizing that it is ok to fuck you now because of a 2nd chance encounter against all odds must mean something.

[B-Nut]

(02-08-2015 01:54 AM)DrewP Wrote:  

Serious question- If a girl you rejected asked why, what would you say?

I think the vast majority of men would take the non-confrontational path of least resistance just like women do and generate some generic line like "I wasn't feeling the connection." It's hard to tell someone "you're fat" or "you're awkward." I'd rather if people would just be honest, but it's not realistic given our culture.

To get feedback from chicks, you need to piss them off. .so they want to hurt you with the truth. ....As someone said, asking for feedback just doesn't work if your trying to do it as honest constructive criticism,, they just give you "no chemistry" bullshit

Once the interaction reaches that point of she is not interested, I have concluded you are best off just laying it on the table and telling her the truth of how you see her (she has no guts for being upfront, she's disrespectful, boring, fat, she has no relationship value only fuck value, tell her to go back riding the cock carousel and getting cum dumped etc).........say these things and in return she will be more likely to tell you where you fell short.

And guess what, acting like a jacka@@ like that is more alpha than just sitting back and trying to act like you don't care like the pua community teaches.

Once a chick decides she doesn't like you, she automatically starts disrespecting you. It's in their dna. (99% of the time, I have only had one or two chicks who handled it with tact and class).

[Mr Finish]

(11-27-2014 05:50 PM)topdog Wrote:  

On point:

"In short, on any given day there's a certain amount of girls that are sexually available (to be picked up) and a certain amount of that ARE NOT. Regardless of what you or I do, we cannot get the girls that ARE NOT available. There's an infinite amount of potential reasons that a girl maybe be sexually unavailable for you or I.

Here are some reasons-

She has a boyfriend.
She has a husband.
She has a lesbian lover.
She got drunk last night and she's hungover, not looking to talk to new people.
She is super emotional today.
She already has a fuckbuddy.
She already has 10 fuckbuddies.
She doesn't EVER have fuckbuddies.
She is a super conservative girl that doesn't have sex without being married for 4 years.
She already got fucked that day by a thick cock.
She had a bad experience from the last guy that picked her up.
Her friends are there and they will judge her.
She has to wake up early in the morning. (logistics)
She has to go home early that night.
She is on her period.
She thinks she is on her period.
She thinks she is pregnant.
She doesn't have casual sex.
She is a drug addict.
She didn't take her anti-depression medicine (welcome to Los Angeles).
She is just out for attention.
You look like her ex-boyfriend that she hates.
She doesn't think it's appropriate to meet people at _____.
She doesn't like players, she only likes nice guys and fucks them after 10 dates.
She doesn't think she looks good.
She's just a fucking weirdo at all times.
She heard a story from a friend that makes her hate guys for a week or two.
She's obsessed with some other guy.
She's obsessed with her ex-boyfriend.
She wants a boyfriend.
She doesn't know what the fuck she wants.
She had a bad day.
She's scared of guys at bars.
She's scared of guys at clubs.
She's scared of guys that talk to her during the day.
She doesn't know how to show guys that she's DTF.
Okay, some of those are far-fetched, some of those are COMPLETELY realistic and common.

No where in there did I say "you are too ugly" "you are too much of a fucking loser," I didn't say that, right?

The point is-

NONE of them are your fault.

NONE of them can you control.

I'll repeat that-

NONE of them are your fault.

NONE of them can you control."

http://www.goodlookingloser.com/more/arc...bers-game/

This hit's the nail on the head. This past weekend I didn't get the bang because her excuse was " I got an abortion on yesterday and can't have sex for a week". I called bullshit but she seemed honest and I found out later that a doctor will tell you not to have sex for the next week. Chick was 18, damn they move fast nowadays! Just as I'm writing this I realized I made a huge rookie mistake telling her to meet me tonight... It's only been 7 days! Oh well, her mouth didn't get an abortion

[Animal doctor]

I made the experience that the easier a girl follows you into your room on the first date, the more amount of LMR you get, and the bigger your chances of failure close to the finish line. What catches most guys off guard is that the evening went great, and a little bit too easy, and then she is in your room, the tension of the evening and the fun atmosphere of club/bar/restaurant wears off and she realised that following you into your room on the first date makes her a slut. Now her brain goes into slut rejection mode. She starts to make excuses, and by that time, most guys are irritated and start wondering what mistake THEY made, since everything went so well until that point. It usually happens with young women who didn't have many experiences yet.
What helped me to overcome the fierce LMR from these last-minute 'I'm not a slut' objections was:

-Don't rush. After making out and her realising that she must pretend not to be a slut, do something that catches her attention on something else than you, so her brain is kept busy while you establish getting physically closer to her. I usually turn on the TV or show her some pics that I took during my travels. While the content of the TV screen is keeping her attention focused, she is too caught by the TV to actively reject you taking her into her arms and closing in on her body until after 30 min, her lying in your arms in your bed in your room feels natural to her. That 30 min part of getting used to being close to you is important especially for young women with little experience.
-Talk about a lot of stuff other than you and her. About the people on TV, the weather, how you like the city, etc. In the mean time get physical and then into kissing mode
-persistance is the key. So far I was able to overcome any 'I'm a good girl' LMR. There were a few tough cases where I was about to give up but somehow got the girl to let go of her good girl self illusion and mate with me. I may just have been lucky but that's my LMR technique that works best for me.

The key point is to be prepared for this. On a fun evening, a woman will just be her slut self. In the silence of your room, when external stimuli such as music, food and other people are drastically reduced, women realise that they have to pretend to be hard to get. No matter how great the evening went, most women will do this. Thus I immediately try to throw other stimuli at a woman once she is alone with me: Television, music, photos, and your busy talking.
The above LMR techniques should help establishing a physical closeness and diverting her brain so she can be the fun loving care free self she was all evening.