[Glider]

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A heartbreaking video showing a father tenderly singing 'Blackbird' to his dying newborn son after his wife died in childbirth has gone viral.
Chris Picco took his guitar to baby Lennon James' bedside and is seen gently strumming the Paul McCartney song while his baby son lies in an incubator in the Intensive Care Unit.
The new father lost his wife Ashley just days earlier after an emergency C-section while giving birth to Lennon at just 24 weeks in Loma Linda, California. She was 30.

Chris wrote on a memorial page for his wife: 'Ashley would often feel Lennon moving to music so I brought my guitar today and gave him a little concert'.
Hours after Chris tenderly serenaded his baby son, Lennon died, aged just three days.

In a message to his friends, family and supporters, Chris wrote: 'My little fighter, Lennon James Picco went to sleep in his daddy's arms late last night.
'He was surrounded by family, friends, and the best doctors, nurses and hospital staff in the world. He was dressed in an outfit that Ashley bought for him, with little guitars on it, and wrapped in a blanket made by a dear friend.'

The message continues: 'I am so thankful for the four unforgettable days I got to spend with him. His mommy would have been so beyond joy to see him and to hold him, touch him, bathe him, sing to him - as I have had the privilege of doing.
'I have been so blessed and honored to love him before he was formed, to cherish him while mommy carried him, meet him face to precious face, and hold his perfect little body while we said "goodbye for now".
'There are no words, but I wanted to keep you updated, as your love and support has meant more than anything in the world. All you need is love.'

The touching video was uploaded to YouTube and posted to Reddit, where messages of support started pouring in.
A memorial fund set up in honor of Ashley has already surpassed its $50,000 goal, and the total continues to rise as the touching video of Chris and Lennon is shared on the internet.
A message on the memorial page reads: 'Ashley Picco was a rare light, a gracious care giver, and deeply in love with her husband Chris.
'They were looking forward to becoming parents and raising their son together. Tragically and unexpectedly her life was cut short.'
The Ashley Picco Memorial Fund will be used to cover medical expenses and to help ensure that Chris and Ashley's family face fewer financial challenges in the future.

This kind of thing is starting to disgust me. Instead of mourning his wife and child this plum decides to participate in the victim Olympics and profit from their deaths.

The only reason this video was shared (created??) was for viral purposes and in hope of collecting a huge sum of money.

We are going to see a lot more of this kind of thing due to the muppets who continue to donate money to these con artists.

Pic of the guy:

[TravelerKai]

Well he will need that money for that 500,000 dollar bill from the hospital and to bury his wife as well.

I wonder how much his wife weighed. I'm curious about that more than a piddly 50,000 dollar fundraiser.

[kosko]

This shit happens all the time. This guy was just sloppy and to quick with his motives. But you have to imagine having two dying loved ones back to back won't be cheap.

I can't see how a gruelling emergancy C-section and ICU care for a child will cost peanuts. Dude likely owes the Hospital $10,000, plus he has to pay for memorial costs.

I am just wondering how a 30 year old woman has such complications in this modern age. They are usually able to save at least one, but to see both go is very bizzare.

Judging by his earthy and nerdy looks maybe him and his wife were vegans and she was unhealthy during her pregnancy? Of course all just speculation on my part.

Its a sad and fucked up story but it doesn't surprise me in these attention whore times we live in.

[Glider]

(11-13-2014 11:12 AM)TravelerKai Wrote:  

Well he will need that money for that 500,000 dollar bill from the hospital and to bury his wife as well.

I wonder how much his wife weighed. I'm curious about that more than a piddly 50,000 dollar fundraiser.

Wife:

[Andy_B]

Well what's the memorial fund going to do?

If it's for a cause, like it's all going to a registered charity, then I don't see anything wrong with this. If he's pocketing the money himself though he clearly deserves a painful death.

EDIT: nevermind, re-read it. Fuck that guy.

[kosko]

Oh... so she is fat....

Isn't that just a mess for maternal delivery when a woman is obese?

[svenski7]

Actually OP, when I read this, I think its a strong argument against any trust in the American healthcare system. This poor bastard is dancing and singing like a slave to pay the medical bills (he will never be able to pay them) from a situation completely out of his control.

From another website:

"Anyone want to know why U.S. is doomed? Simply have a look at its healthcare. Most people cannot and would not afford even the simplest diagnostics and labs.

Just for comparison’s sake, an MRI in Russia is $250 vs $3000 in the U.S.

A specialist visit is $20 in Russia vs $175 in the U.S.

United States has the greediest and most uncaring doctors, who swore an oath to Almighty Dollar instead of one to Hippocrates.

I say this from my own experience."

[TheWastelander]

There are a lot of scummy people in the West who try to monetarily benefit off personal tragedies rather than mourn with dignity and move on.

[TravelerKai]

(11-13-2014 11:14 AM)Glider Wrote:  

(11-13-2014 11:12 AM)TravelerKai Wrote:  

Well he will need that money for that 500,000 dollar bill from the hospital and to bury his wife as well.

I wonder how much his wife weighed. I'm curious about that more than a piddly 50,000 dollar fundraiser.

Wife:

Hard to tell. Possible SIF, but eh I dunno. 30 years old and complications like that doesn't sound right.

[Glider]

(11-13-2014 11:19 AM)svenski7 Wrote:  

Actually OP, when I read this, I think its a strong argument against any trust in the American healthcare system. This poor bastard is dancing and singing like a slave to pay the medical bills (he will never be able to pay them) from a situation completely out of his control.

From another website:

"Anyone want to know why U.S. is doomed? Simply have a look at its healthcare. Most people cannot and would not afford even the simplest diagnostics and labs.

Just for comparison’s sake, an MRI in Russia is $250 vs $3000 in the U.S.

A specialist visit is $20 in Russia vs $175 in the U.S.

United States has the greediest and most uncaring doctors, who swore an oath to Almighty Dollar instead of one to Hippocrates.

I say this from my own experience."

OK thats fair but what is life insurance for?

[Felix88]

Is it just me or her eyes in that pictures look like someone with mental health problems?

Something seems off about her facial expression.

[TravelerKai]

(11-13-2014 11:19 AM)svenski7 Wrote:  

Actually OP, when I read this, I think its a strong argument against any trust in the American healthcare system. This poor bastard is dancing and singing like a slave to pay the medical bills (he will never be able to pay them) from a situation completely out of his control.

From another website:

"Anyone want to know why U.S. is doomed? Simply have a look at its healthcare. Most people cannot and would not afford even the simplest diagnostics and labs.

Just for comparison’s sake, an MRI in Russia is $250 vs $3000 in the U.S.

A specialist visit is $20 in Russia vs $175 in the U.S.

United States has the greediest and most uncaring doctors, who swore an oath to Almighty Dollar instead of one to Hippocrates.

I say this from my own experience."

I think my wife and I will have kid number 2 in China. You should see the bills I got for the first kid. I refuse to spend hours on the phone negotiating over a out of pocket maximum they are all trying to avoid. This country has the worst health care system. I'm going to Mexico to fix my teeth sometime soon. I'm not giving these sharks another copper red cent.

[CRR]

(11-13-2014 11:19 AM)svenski7 Wrote:  

Actually OP, when I read this, I think its a strong argument against any trust in the American healthcare system. This poor bastard is dancing and singing like a slave to pay the medical bills (he will never be able to pay them) from a situation completely out of his control.

From another website:

"Anyone want to know why U.S. is doomed? Simply have a look at its healthcare. Most people cannot and would not afford even the simplest diagnostics and labs.

Just for comparison’s sake, an MRI in Russia is $250 vs $3000 in the U.S.

A specialist visit is $20 in Russia vs $175 in the U.S.

United States has the greediest and most uncaring doctors, who swore an oath to Almighty Dollar instead of one to Hippocrates.

I say this from my own experience."

Is it the doctors or the insurance companies and administrators?

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/05/18/sunday....html?_r=0

So basically we go to the doctor, and lots of people take their cut between the patient and doctor.

[Days of Broken Arrows]

I think you're in the wrong here, Glider. In fact, I think most of you are in the wrong.

You're only seeing this from the perspective of the video. But this is a man who lost his wife, then his child within the span of days. Try to look beyond the video and put yourself in his shoes.

Death makes us weird. Hasn't anyone here ever lost anyone they loved and felt the need to do something in tribute?

I'd venture to say that if Roosh or Tuth got hit by a car tomorrow, there would be some major tributes on the board and on YouTube. So would that be attention-whoring or the RVF's way of mourning? Should we now be banned from any emotion other than our usual expressions of (let's admit it) lust and anger?

On top of that, this guy will also be in some debt. I don't begrudge him at all if this is a way to try to dig his way out. And I don't see how we can praise Matt Forney's book on Internet hustling on the one hand, yet criticize this on the other.

I also think people here are being too quick to judge the woman. First, they were married and not "baby-mama, baby-daddy," so that right there says they were serious about their relationship -- and that's praised in certain quarters of the manosphere.

Also, complications in childbirth can happen to any woman, any time. Sometimes it's the hospital's fault. Sometimes it's no one's fault. 100 years ago it was completely normal for women to regularly die in childbirth. (As I've written elsewhere, THIS biological reality is why so many old movies, plays, and TV shows don't have mothers -- they were depicting reality. It's not men's attempt to write women out of history, as feminists say).

Men get enough crap from feminists about expressing themselves that I don't think they need to get it here too. This was not an inappropriate means of mourning in our age.

If we're going to judge people for attention-whoring, why not save it for the people solely out for bucks, like the trashy Kardashians or annoying authors like John Green with his idiotic, self-righteous "nerd" videos. Let's put aside the vitriol when it comes to a grieving man who just lost both a wife and a child.

And let's hope we never find ourselves in his dire situation -- and being judged harshly on top of it.

[Glider]

(11-13-2014 11:46 AM)Days of Broken Arrows Wrote:  

I think you're in the wrong here, Glider. In fact, I think most of you are in the wrong.

You're only seeing this from the perspective of the video. But this is a man who lost his wife, then his child within the span of days. Try to look beyond the video and put yourself in his shoes.

And yet has managed to share a video he took and setup a fund to get money already.

(11-13-2014 11:46 AM)Days of Broken Arrows Wrote:  

Death makes us weird. Hasn't anyone here ever lost anyone they loved and felt the need to do something in tribute?

I'd venture to say that if Roosh or Tuth got hit by a car tomorrow, there would be some major tributes on the board and on YouTube. So would that be attention-whoring or the RVF's way of mourning? Should we now be banned from any emotion other than our usual expressions of (let's admit it) lust and anger?

Death hasn't made him weird at all, what he has done is calculated, he knows exactly what he is doing. If he want's to make a tribute fine but don't try and profit off it, thats just poor taste.

(11-13-2014 11:46 AM)Days of Broken Arrows Wrote:  

On top of that, this guy will also be in some debt. I don't begrudge him at all if this is a way to try to dig his way out. And I don't see how we can praise Matt Forney's book on Internet hustling on the one hand, yet criticize this on the other.

Life insurance?

(11-13-2014 11:46 AM)Days of Broken Arrows Wrote:  

I also think people here are being too quick to judge the woman. First, they were married and not "baby-mama, baby-daddy," so that right there says they had a seriousness of mindset that's praised elsewhere here.

And also, complications in childbirth can happen to any woman, any time. Sometimes it's the hospital's fault. Sometimes it's no one's fault. 100 years ago it was completely normal for women to regularly die in childbirth. (As I've written elsewhere, THIS biological reality is why so many old movies, plays, and TV shows don't have mothers -- they were depicting reality. It's not men's attempt to write women out of history, as feminist's say).

I don't think anyone has criticised the woman? she is dead she is not at fault for anything thats tragic for her.

(11-13-2014 11:46 AM)Days of Broken Arrows Wrote:  

Men get enough crap from feminists about expressing themselves that I don't think they need to get it here too. This was not an inappropriate means of mourning in our age.

So we can't criticise a man because this is a mans forum?

(11-13-2014 11:46 AM)Days of Broken Arrows Wrote:  

If we're going to judge people for attention-whoring, why not save it for the people solely out for bucks, like the trashy Kardashians or annoying authors like John Green with his idiotic, self-righteous "nerd" videos. Let's put aside the vitriol when it comes to a grieving man who just lost both a wife and a child.

Isn't this guy out "for bucks"? why setup the fund otherwise?

(11-13-2014 11:46 AM)Days of Broken Arrows Wrote:  

And let's hope we never find ourselves in his dire situation -- and being judged harshly on top of it.

You would never know if it happened to me because I wouldn't be trying to profit off the death of my wife and son by making a viral internet tribute and associated fund.

[General Stalin]

You're seeing this through the eyes of popular media. Always take sources into account and use your noggin.

Assuming this story is 100% true, family looks like typical middle-class white Americans. Likely have decent health insurance and life insurance. Dude will be fine financially. Chalk it up to typical human behavior trying to take advantage of a good opportunity.

I for one think its amazing how simple this shit is to do nowadays. People can get rich overnight by voluntary distribution of wealth by willing participants to any fabricated or contrived cause whether totally legitimate or not. Think about just 10 years ago things like this were not possible. Now all you have to do is have a good pitch, make a video, open a crowd funding account and start a lazy campaign and money can pour in from any sheep who finds the weblink. Get-rich-quick schemes are becoming more and more commonplace.

EDIT: Now that I think about it, my father ran into some financial trouble back in 2008 when the recession hit and has been struggling to keep his house for years. I wonder if I could start a pity campaign and get people to throw down buku bucks to pay off his mortgage... hmmmmmmmm

[SteveMcMahon]

Think you're being harsh on the guy, OP.

We don't know what his financial circumstances are.

If he has a mortgage and other kids, the medical and funeral costs of losing his wife and newborn could bankrupt and make him homeless.

Is his video arguably emotionally manipulative? Yes. That is the spirit of our age unfortunately. Everybody rushes to share their tragedies. Stoicism isn't valued by modern society.

When I was a boy I spent a lot of time with my grandfather. He was pals with a group of other old men. They used to give me sweets and a friendly punch on the arm when they saw me, and would pass the time talking about the weather, football or boxing matches they saw back in the 50's, or telling ancient jokes and laughing like geriatric schoolboys.

It never occurred to me to wonder how they knew each other till they started dying off and I went to some of their funerals with my grampa.

Most of the gang had been in the same POW camp during WW2. They'd been starved, beaten and tortured by the Japanese. A lot of their friends never made it out of that camp.

They never mentioned it.

But that's the old generation. None of those men are still alive. My grampa died of cancer back in the 90's. He'd been diagnosed as terminally ill nearly a year before. He didn't tell anyone till he became so sick he couldn't hide it any more. The night he died he was still trying to smile and crack jokes through a haze of morphine.

It's not this man's fault he was raised in a softer, less masculine culture. And he doesn't appear to be trying to con anybody. Give him a break.

[Seamus]

My heart goes out to the guy. I teared up watching the video. This is something he can watch 20 years from now when he wants to think of his wife and kid.

Also, it doesn't seem like he was the one who set up the fund.

[Roosh]

Are you sure he's profiting from it though?

[kosko]

Nobody knows where this money is going. I agree its harsh to assume its going to his pockets, we all know he will be burdened with deep costs.

[bojangles]

From what I've read, this guy did not set up the fund, he just made a video of him singing to his dying son. This is terribly harsh on a guy who has basically lost his family in the space of 2 days....damn we're harsh on this forum..

[MdWanderer]

I feel for the guy and hope things get better for him, but I'm not in the habit of giving money to people I don't know, even if its going to a good cause. I would do this for a family member or close friend but not somebody on the internet.

With that being said whos to know if this guy is doing it for money? Could just be a tribute that he wanted everyone to see, which is great.

[Hedonistic Traveler]

I feel for the guy. Losing your wife and kid just a few days apart has to be killer.

Hopefully he'll have some leftover cash after paying the bills though. His D-list internet fame and 50,000 could be used to get him some better pussy than that.

[WalterBlack]

Why didn't he use kickstarter?

There was a guy who for a joke asked for money for potato salad. Look how much he made:

Quote:

6,911
backers

$55,492
pledged of $10 goal

[LouieG]

This is a horrific story. My heart goes out to the guy.

Not to be critical of anyone, but if you start to notice that your reaction to stories like this is anything other than "holy shit, that poor guy," it's probably a sign you've imbibed this red pill / decline-of-the-west stuff a bit too deeply.

Remember to keep some perspective. Putting your ideology before your humanity will drive you over the edge (see: present-day feminism).