[blacknwhitespade]

Looks like Republicans gained a little ground amongst non-white voters, including taking the Asian-American vote 50-49 and the Native American vote 52-43.

House National Exit Poll

[Wutang]

I was surprised by how close the Republican vs Democratic count was for Asian Americans. While the vast majority of Asian Americans I've met are pretty much indifferent towards politics, especially if they are first generation the few that I've met that do pay attention to politics tend to trend towards the left.

I actually wanted to post the racial breakdown of the the exit polls but I was afraid I'd get accused of race trolling.

[Sturmgeist]

(11-05-2014 03:12 PM)Wutang Wrote:  

I was surprised by how close the Republican vs Democratic count was for Asian Americans. While the vast majority of Asian Americans I've met are pretty much indifferent towards politics, especially if they are first generation the few that I've met that do pay attention to politics tend to trend towards the left.

I actually wanted to post the racial breakdown of the the exit polls but I was afraid I'd get accused of race trolling.

I don't think you'd be accused of race trolling here. It's actually useful information.

[Old Fritz]

I Here in Maryland, Logan (a republican) was able to win the seat. This is surprising because Maryland has always tilted towards the left. Republicans have most of the senate seats now.

[Akula]

As much as I want to believe that this will change things and make America more entrepreneurial, dynamic, reduce taxes etc. I have a hard time believing that the Repubs will end up doing all that much. They are just as beholden to all the corrupt lobbies, whether it be on the domestic side with Big Ag, Pharma, SJWs etc. or on the foreign policy side with the Neocons, Saudi lobby, etc. Seen this before back in the early 90s with the Republicans "Contract with America" that eventually broke down.

In fact, I think that with this newfound conservative strength it will make the whole warmongering thing that much worse so expect some minor achievements on the domestic front (i.e. some tax relief, less government growth, a slightly better situation for small business owners) but more stupid foreign interventions in the Middle East and G*d knows where else.

I guess that fends off the nightmare world that President Hillary and the Dems have in store for us, but not for long....

[kosko]

As much as I view the GOP as demographicly dead I welcome the move of minorities into thier corner. The Democrats have run off the backs of minorities for decades while fucking them over.

The GOP won't get any traction until it can take urban voters whom aren't hillbillies from Birmingham, Albama. It's urban voters and women whom are swaying the tides these days and they will get prefers treatment leading up in the circus to the next general election.

[Kabal]

(11-05-2014 03:12 PM)Wutang Wrote:  

While the vast majority of Asian Americans I've met are pretty much indifferent towards politics, especially if they are first generation the few that I've met that do pay attention to politics tend to trend towards the left.

First generation born here?

First generation-born Asian-Americans tend to be well-educated and conformist, a one-two step for siding with the left (education correlates with modern liberalism). They don't realize that the left is not shy about being their enemy in championing affirmative action, using them as sacrificial lambs in college admissions and white-collar-job-hiring to buttress the perceived underachievement of blacks and latinos.

This goes more-so for East Coast Asians. West Coast Asians are more genre-savvy when it comes to affirmative action.

[CJ_W]

(11-05-2014 04:28 PM)kosko Wrote:  

As much as I view the GOP as demographicly dead I welcome the move of minorities into thier corner. The Democrats have run off the backs of minorities for decades while fucking them over.

The GOP won't get any traction until it can take urban voters whom aren't hillbillies from Birmingham, Albama. It's urban voters and women whom are swaying the tides these days and they will get prefers treatment leading up in the circus to the next general election.

Really, all the republicans really have to do is. . .NOT go to war/foreign intervention, and keep the FCC from messing up the internet, they don't have to do anything else! They could just campaign on those two issues alone, along with their tax relief stuff etc, and sweep everything. They can just do those two things and do NOTHING ELSE for the rest of their terms and they'll be re-elected. It's so easy but so hard for some reason.

[blacknwhitespade]

(11-05-2014 08:48 PM)Kabal Wrote:  

(11-05-2014 03:12 PM)Wutang Wrote:  

While the vast majority of Asian Americans I've met are pretty much indifferent towards politics, especially if they are first generation the few that I've met that do pay attention to politics tend to trend towards the left.

First generation born here?

First generation-born Asian-Americans tend to be well-educated and conformist, a one-two step for siding with the left (education correlates with modern liberalism). They don't realize that the left is not shy about being their enemy in championing affirmative action, using them as sacrificial lambs in college admissions and white-collar-job-hiring to buttress the perceived underachievement of blacks and latinos.

This goes more-so for East Coast Asians. West Coast Asians are more genre-savvy when it comes to affirmative action.

Yeah, most 1st generation asians nowadays are upper/middle class and highly educated, unlike yesterdays asian immigrants who were mostly non-college grads, small business owners, and most were anti-communists/refugees (HK, Taiwan, Vietnam descendants). I think this change to the profile of Asian Americans is what has pulled them towards the Democrats in recent years. Also, Indian/South Asians have increased their ranks and are categorized "asian" in the census; they particularly lean Democratic. If we're just taking East Asians, it's a little more balanced. East and South combined, Asians were about 50-50 in this election, so they're definitely a swing vote demographic. I had read that Republicans were pursuing asian communities in their campaigns; they could be almost as key as hispanics in making the GOP competitive around big cities/big states like CA, IL, NY and NJ.

[Wutang]

By 1st generation I was talking about FOBs that grew up in the motherland and came over as adults. That group is extremely apolitical, at least when it comes to US politics. Maybe they'll have opinions about the politics of their home countries (my dad likes to rant about evil mainland Chinese commie) but they won't vote, they won't join US political parties, and they don't get involved with any sort of local politics typically either. Their kids typically are much the same.

Actually something I noticed about other Asian Americans is how they don't really seem to care about the world at large, only their little bubble. I'm sure those of you who have lived in communities or gone to college with significant Asian populations have noticed the Asian cliques in those areas and how they tend to stick to themselves and have minimal contact with anyone outside of their circles. That's a pretty good reflection of that attitudes of lots of Asian Americans.

[Sawyer]

(11-05-2014 10:28 PM)CJ_W Wrote:  

(11-05-2014 04:28 PM)kosko Wrote:  

As much as I view the GOP as demographicly dead I welcome the move of minorities into thier corner. The Democrats have run off the backs of minorities for decades while fucking them over.

The GOP won't get any traction until it can take urban voters whom aren't hillbillies from Birmingham, Albama. It's urban voters and women whom are swaying the tides these days and they will get prefers treatment leading up in the circus to the next general election.

Really, all the republicans really have to do is. . .NOT go to war/foreign intervention, and keep the FCC from messing up the internet, they don't have to do anything else! They could just campaign on those two issues alone, along with their tax relief stuff etc, and sweep everything. They can just do those two things and do NOTHING ELSE for the rest of their terms and they'll be re-elected. It's so easy but so hard for some reason.

I'll take it a step further and say all they have to do is not go to war. But they will. The Republican Party is still the neocon party. You take a Democrat and add false flag attacks and neocon wars and you get a modern Republican. I'm not optimistic.

[RockHard]

(11-05-2014 10:28 PM)CJ_W Wrote:  

Really, all the republicans really have to do is. . .NOT go to war/foreign intervention, and keep the FCC from messing up the internet, they don't have to do anything else! They could just campaign on those two issues alone, along with their tax relief stuff etc, and sweep everything. They can just do those two things and do NOTHING ELSE for the rest of their terms and they'll be re-elected. It's so easy but so hard for some reason.

What's really interesting is when you look at the local initiatives passing
* Anti-fracking restrictions
* Raise the minimum wage
* legal recreational marijuana
* overturning state bans on municipal broadband

Then several states rejected personhood measures. Does this sound like an endorsement of a conservative platform?

You'd be very wrong to say the country is moving left. I think most people don't trust either party, but someone has to win, so it's the guy not in power. Look at the local races: last year in my state there were Democratic 2 state senators who got recalled over a gun control bill they supported, and Republicans were elected. Both Republicans lost their reelection bids after only a year in office. On the other hand, our Democratic Senator was voted out after only one term. I think you're going to see a lot more 1 & done candidates.

I wouldn't read too much into the TX governor's race for example. It was a stupid privilege battle - white woman vs white man, but oh, he's in a wheelchair, so I can vote for him! That race was more about Wendy Davis being an unpleasant, anti-charismatic bitch, and a single issue candidate to boot.

If anything, the country is becoming more libertarian. People are sick of politicians in general and don't trust the federal government specifically. Liberals got burned by Obama, conservatives got burned by Bush. Nobody gives a shit anymore, and I'd bet good money that if you polled what people really want, it'd be for the government to get the fuck out of their hair.

[ElBorrachoInfamoso]

(11-05-2014 03:12 PM)Wutang Wrote:  

I was surprised by how close the Republican vs Democratic count was for Asian Americans. While the vast majority of Asian Americans I've met are pretty much indifferent towards politics, especially if they are first generation the few that I've met that do pay attention to politics tend to trend towards the left.

I actually wanted to post the racial breakdown of the the exit polls but I was afraid I'd get accused of race trolling.

I think it was Steve Sailer who pointed out that Asians in the US are more likely to vote Republican than whites once you control for geography. It's just that Asians are concentrated in the parts of the country that tend to vote for leftist candidates, and like all other people they are influenced by the views of their neighbors.

[Feisbook Control]

(11-07-2014 04:57 AM)ElBorrachoInfamoso Wrote:  

(11-05-2014 03:12 PM)Wutang Wrote:  

I was surprised by how close the Republican vs Democratic count was for Asian Americans. While the vast majority of Asian Americans I've met are pretty much indifferent towards politics, especially if they are first generation the few that I've met that do pay attention to politics tend to trend towards the left.

I actually wanted to post the racial breakdown of the the exit polls but I was afraid I'd get accused of race trolling.

I think it was Steve Sailer who pointed out that Asians in the US are more likely to vote Republican than whites once you control for geography. It's just that Asians are concentrated in the parts of the country that tend to vote for leftist candidates, and like all other people they are influenced by the views of their neighbors.

Another explanation is that like everyone else, they actively seek out people of like mind or values. You might have the arrow of causation going the wrong way.

[ElBorrachoInfamoso]

(11-07-2014 08:43 PM)Feisbook Control Wrote:  

(11-07-2014 04:57 AM)ElBorrachoInfamoso Wrote:  

(11-05-2014 03:12 PM)Wutang Wrote:  

I was surprised by how close the Republican vs Democratic count was for Asian Americans. While the vast majority of Asian Americans I've met are pretty much indifferent towards politics, especially if they are first generation the few that I've met that do pay attention to politics tend to trend towards the left.

I actually wanted to post the racial breakdown of the the exit polls but I was afraid I'd get accused of race trolling.

I think it was Steve Sailer who pointed out that Asians in the US are more likely to vote Republican than whites once you control for geography. It's just that Asians are concentrated in the parts of the country that tend to vote for leftist candidates, and like all other people they are influenced by the views of their neighbors.

Another explanation is that like everyone else, they actively seek out people of like mind or values. You might have the arrow of causation going the wrong way.

I could see the arrow going the other way if Asians were less likely than whites to seek to live around people with similar views. To test which way causality points, we'd want to look at more conservative cities and see if Asians in those cities are less conservative than whites.

Maybe I'm unfairly stereotyping, but I think Asians are more likely than whites to follow the crowd, so if anything I would expect them to be more extreme in one political direction or another than their white neighbors.

[Wutang]

Keep in mind guys, like I said the vast majority of Asian Americans especially FOB ones are simply indifferent towards politics. Notice in the exit poll that out of all the ethnic groups Asians had the smallest turnout besides American Indian.

I remember growing up my dad would straight up tell me that if I got bullied or if someone was giving me shit that I should simply ignore it because that noise isn't important. I'm willing to bet lots of other AAs were raised the same way with the results of creating an entire group of people that'll keep their heads down and just keep plowing forward whatever gets thrown their way. These people typically aren't going to get involved in causes or really care about what's going on society in large as long as they are still able to get good paying white collar jobs and make sure they them and their children can into decent universities. I think it's very telling that we don't really someone like Al Sharpton or Jesse Jackson. Sure we got Suey Parks and that chick who's trying to take down that RSD weirdo trolling chicks in Japan but those people don't have any sort of the level of influence that guys like Sharpton and their ilk have. Why? Because the Sharpton and Jacksons of the world have a whole community of people behind them that are willing to agitate and amplify their voices while the Parks do not. The people who are "supposed" to be behind Park just want to go to work, make money, live in a nice home, and hang out with their other Asian friends and family members. They mostly cut themselves off from engaging the society outside of their cliques.