[El Chinito loco]

(11-05-2014 12:30 AM)rhr Wrote:  

You can clearly notice the tension in the air. Right now westerners are still very welcome in most parts of Asia however, the tide is already starting to turn.
There was a recent killing of a transgendered man in the Philippines by a U.S. marine. It was reported on tv 24/7 for more than two weeks. The event ignited student protests against foreign troops for the first time in philippine history.

This is just the beginning. With guys like that asshole in the videos, the "white man" might soon no longer be so "welcome"...

Don't get me wrong, i'm not defending RSD. I agree these incidents do cause damage to the perception of western foreign men in general.

Just pointing out the incorrect assumptions being made about that video. RSD and some RSD affiliated guys love to throw up inflammatory and sometimes misleading sensationalist videos. It's not too different from clickbait. It's used to get people's emotions high and it attracts certain guys into their fold who want to act like dicks in real life.

[runsonmagic]

Off topic, but RSD related...

Is it just me or is this some of the worst in-field footage you've ever seen?

That girl is as annoying as fuck. And the bathroom pull at the end... totally fake. You're telling me the camera guy didn't turn when the action moved and her call to him audio wasn't recorded? BS. If I spent 500$ on an internet game program, I'd be highly disappointed with these results.

And yet this is the end goal promotional video for RSD's latest program.

I'd be tempted to walk from a date that annoying. And I've dated in SF before. Hell, I've dated in the district I know Jeffy lives in. Even for SF, that's low quality. That's a "it's a Tuesday, and this is preferable to masturbating" date.

Krauser had a post a couple days back where he said that one of the major failings of youtube pick-up videos was that good-looking guys were pulling mildly attractive girls they could probably get without game. This video falls into that category. Based on his profile and the fact she is a trashy tattooed woman on OKC, she is basically DTF from the start of the date, and all he has to do is not fuck it up. There's no game here, just and endurance test of whore prattle. To showcase this as the "what our 500$ program will do for you" date makes me think RSD is marketing their program to guys who've never gone on a date before.

[Felix88]

(11-04-2014 10:48 PM)rhr Wrote:  

(11-04-2014 09:32 PM)Jaydublin Wrote:  

(11-04-2014 06:52 PM)Fisto Wrote:  

These guys are female attention whores.

That pretty much sums it up right there.

There is nothing alpha or manly about most of these guys. A lot of people here even get it confused and think that banging lots of women=Alpha but it doesnt. Any beta can learn to manipulate which is what these guys at RSD do.

Arent they the ones who always say "What are you going to do? Fight like some sort of animal" Well what is the different in that and publicly humiliating some girl in a foreign country where respect is important.

Anybody remember the video that was so popular where the blonde stole the chinese girl in hong kong?

If you skip to the middle you see this dude wrapping his arms around her stomach like the beta he truly is. There is absolutely nothing manly or alpha about his actions here.

I hate to use the C word but a lot of these RSD guys creep me out and the rest are just attention whores as Fisto said.

How long will it take until one of those "betas" goes violent and turns a guy like this into a puddle of blood?

Can't happen soon enough if you ask me. Asian men will only tolerate so much before they gang up on you and your flight back home will be in a body bag...

The pathetic thing is that girl is 5 at best, i don't know about Asians guys in the west but guys in Asian countries can get really, really violence if you push them far enough, especially in SEA.

[monster]

(11-05-2014 12:25 AM)Fisto Wrote:  

Edit- monster you keep saying this video isn't representative of this guy's game but he's the one who posted it.

Yeah, but a lot of people post or say things that are not representative of who they really are the other 99% of the time. This particular vid by Julien is clearly a troll-based video that is unfortunately overshadowing the true Julien message.

This vid of Julien is long but I think it exemplifies the "game" of Julien namely, take action, don't give up ever, be cool, open your mind, try new things, keep evolving, take advantage of opportunities, and fuck social conditioning etc etc

[Deluge]

(11-04-2014 11:25 AM)turkishcandy Wrote:  

(11-04-2014 11:15 AM)Roosh Wrote:  

Deluge are you getting paid to defend them?

I would bet a good money that he at least attended one meeting and paid that ridiculous amount of money, as many guys here in RVF did and who are polluting the threads with pro-RSD ''Tyler has tight game'' bullshit, he is trying to convince himself that he didn't waste his money.

Lol can't believe I missed this. I have never paid RSD a cent. And if I had, I would've posted a review of it. The only pickup stuff I have ever bought are Roosh's books. You seem sure the RSD instructors have bad game, did you pay for their coaching and have a bad experience? If so why not just tell us what your grievances are instead of coming off like a butthurt hater.

Also I don't get where monster's head is saying Julien's Tokyo video isn't representative. This is a guy who apparently now opens girls in clubs calling them "dog" in their native language and opens by choking them, this is a clear pattern of behaviour from him specifically.

[runsonmagic]

Now on the topic of Julien...

I've always had the reaction to Julien's lines that I've had to Mystery's - "I couldn't see myself saying that." For those that don't know Julien will open a girl by pointing at her and shouting "dog." Pure obnoxious insults as an opener.

I get the idea behind it, but I've always wondered seeing his videos, when is this going to backfire? With all the SJW Yes means Yes stuff in the news, at some point someone is going to come after him, right?

Well, now we know.

The thing is, Julien loves drama. This is like sex for him. When Jezebel did a hit piece on Jeffy, Julien was emailing threats to their writers trying to get them to write about him. So having something he said result in scandal is his goal, and I'm certain he is getting off on it.

Now, I've actually learned some good stuff from the RSD crew. I like a lot of what they do. But I'm also aware of their flaws.

Owen (RSD Tyler) was portrayed in The Game as being a sociopath who got off on power more than sex. Isn't it kind of karmic he'd pick a number two who prefers drama to sex even more than he does?

Birds of a feather, as they say.

I'll be curious to see how this develops. I've actually see girls I know posting about canceling his stuff on social media.

The thing is, that's part of his game. He massively trolls people for attention and then wins them over by reframing and redirecting the energy. The same way you can publish an article decrying a particular type of girl and they'll all reblog it and qualify themselves to you, Julien will just insult the prettiest girl in the club and use his boldness to start a conversation.

It's hard to tell with Julien though how much this actually works, because for him, drama is preferable to a close. He talks about girls being willing to go home with him, but wanting to game them more with lying stories. Dark triad to the max. The kind of person you can learn from, but wouldn't want to emulate.

[L M McCoy]

Asians raging in the comment section is killing me. Its fucking epic


Thanks felix

[Biologist]

Julien's game is essentially hyper-clown game - talking a lot, being loud and obnoxious and seeking attention by doing stupid shit.

The thing is that this type of game actually works very well in the Anglosphere, and I am guessing that it would work exceptionally well in cities like LA or Vegas.

However, in Japan, I don't think that this type of game isn't going to be very useful. At best, he'll just look like an idiot, and worst, he could get himself into trouble. Nonetheless, he is giving foreigners in Japan a bad reputation.

[Saladin]

(11-05-2014 12:25 AM)Fisto Wrote:  

(11-04-2014 09:34 PM)Saladin Wrote:  

When I hung out with 20Nation in Nicaragua, I was constantly learning from him, and listening to his advice. I learned a few different things about myself by hanging out with him, one of which was that I was nervous at the end stage of game(learned this when I fumbled a lay up). When I returned to Toronto, I worked on that and now much I"m much smoother and relaxed especially in the end game.

This tells me you are a complete newbie.

No offense but I don't think you are qualified to say who's game is "well rounded" or "solid" etc.

RSD just happened to be one of the first places you were exposed to game and you worship these guys the way girls look up to their college professors thinking they're brilliant.

Edit- monster you keep saying this video isn't representative of this guy's game but he's the one who posted it.

I'm not a complete newbie anymore and I don't worship RSD.

My whole point is there's some good material that RSD does put out, as well as mediocre content. I mainly pointed out RSDAlex as a quality instructor, who literally advocates the exact opposite game of Tyler and Julien(which I admitted doesn't do anything for me).

That doesn't come close to worshiping them.

[Pride male]

RSD are truly the false prophets of game.

[Deluge]

One big gripe with RSD is that according to them the only difference between daygame and nightgame is that with daygame the sun is up, and you can see that in Julien's Tokyo video. I don't think any RSD instructors actually even do daygame themselves, and the only one who does (Alex, the aussie guy) teaches Day Bang style indirect daygame.

(11-05-2014 01:05 AM)Saladin Wrote:  

I'm not a complete newbie anymore and I don't worship RSD.

In the last few weeks Saladin banged a hot stripper and been in two different gangbangs (I've seen pics), calling him a "total newbie" is a fucking joke.

[WanderingSoul]

The weirdest thing in this whole thread is guys posting about what turns this guy on, what gets him off, how he doesn't enjoy sex, etc.

No one wants to hear that shit.

[WanderingSoul]

(11-05-2014 01:08 AM)Deluge Wrote:  

In the last few weeks Saladin banged a hot stripper and been in two different gangbangs (I've seen pics), calling him a "total newbie" is a fucking joke.

Ok, I stand corrected. This is definitely the weirdest thing in this whole thread.

Where am I at right now? This whole thread reeks of homosexuality.

[Deluge]

^I didn't see any dicks if that's what you're thinking... And I'm not saying that's a typical month for him but no way a "newbie" is capable of that.

[Richiavelli]

I've actually been to an RSD free tour event. They are really aggressive in following up/calling you/marketing/etc etc. Some of this move for "in field footage" is pretty ridiculous.

[Thoroughbred]

(11-04-2014 11:15 AM)Roosh Wrote:  

Quote:

Here's a thought experiment, what would you do if the SJW's campaigned to get heartiste banned from the Internet?

This happened and we got the guy to fall back: http://www.returnofkings.com/25591/why-i...grees-with

RSD is a HYPER COMMERCIALIZED operation that exists to make Tyler and Papa very rich. They do not care about our culture war, SJW's, censorship, etc. They have never put one article or one tweet to support a member in our sphere being attacked. To think that we will suddenly aid their commercial enterprise that charges guys obscene amounts of money to learn mediocre game is laughable.

Deluge are you getting paid to defend them? It would be like me fighting back against attacks on Chick-fil-a restaurants by homosexual activists. Chick-fil-a and RSD have enough money to defend themselves since they are corporate operations. They also have their own followers.

RSD is no ally of mine. In fact, I think it's best for us to distance ourselves from RSD as much as possible. We don't use that type of aggressive groping game and so we should not defend it. I'll defend MRA's and MGTOW's before I defend RSD's painfully bad game teachings.

Fellas, aren’t we missing the point here?

The mixed opinions of RSD have been hashed out, and will continue to be so, in other threads.

RSD may indeed be pedalling trash and Julian may or may not be a sociopath, but shouldn’t a bloke be able to rock up and make that call for himself?
Or better yet, in the act of doing so be inspired to search out alternatives and end up here?

Roosh has said he in no way aligns with what RSD do, alright, respect that.
Isn’t the greater issue that a three day twitter campaign put this operation out on the street and it's another victory for SJWs everywhere?
It's now that much easier to get a rise next time they find another party to shit on, eroding everyone’s freedom that much more.

I know it’s not your MO Roosh, but say you wanted to put on a gathering to launch a book, as Krauser has done recently, and the thought police came and shat on your parade?
Julian’s videos are extreme, and had wow factor for the media, but how far would they have to dig through your Youtube back catalogue to find something they could spin a hit piece off?

This is the water the frog boils in. Try to see past the fact that this time it is a bunch of spivs running a racket stooging guys of cash to teach clown game. Next time it may be something a little closer to home.
I may be a little more invested here as this is my city, and this was a bit of an SJW litmus test. The results came back funky.

Maybe RSD game works to my personality and I wanted to go. Or maybe I had three hours to burn and felt like turning up for entertainments sake and wanted to snicker in the back row. Shouldn’t I have the choice to go and do that?
I’ve had an option taken from me, and while it may not have been top shelf, the principle remains the same.

I'm not saying anyone go in to bat for RSD, and it's hard to find and angle when the protagonists have that shit up on the internet, but I am saying that no one here wins by this getting shut down.

I really do think people are missing the forest for the trees in this thread.

[Faust]

"I know it’s not your MO Roosh, but say you wanted to put on a gathering to launch a book, as Krauser has done recently, and the thought police came and shat on your parade?"
"This is the water the frog boils in. Try to see past the fact that this time it is a bunch of spivs running a racket stooging guys of cash to teach clown game. Next time it may be something a little closer to home."

I can see what you're saying here, but I disagree. I think you're dividing this into an "us" vs. "them" mentality that's blinding you to the fact that the conduct RSD is promoting here really is indefensible. If Roosh was teaching guys how to go to a foreign culture and start manhandling its women on the street, I would drop this site in an instant. That shit's not "clown-game". "Clown game" is wearing a stupid hat or a dumb leapord-print jacket. It's negging. It's making up a ridiculous story to keep some club slut interested. The worst crime a bad practitioner of clown game commits is a fashion one, and the only effect bad clown game has is to drive girls into the arms of people who aren't acting like dipshits. If people want to do it, more power to them.

Grabbing girls you barely know and yanking their face towards your crotch is beyond the limit of things I'm willing to defend. Women have the right to go out without having their head yanked into a strange man's crotch. And if you're taking advantage of their cultural unwillingness to tell you to go away, when you know that's what they're probably thinking, that makes you twice the asshole. It's one thing to be an unthinking boor who doesn't know any better. It's quite another to go to somebody else's home and take advantage of their graciousness.

Others have pointed out the many, many problems with this. It's counterproductive. It's unnecessary. It ruins things for those of us who aren't dipshits. I'll submit an extra one: it's very likely a crime. The thumbnail image on that youtube video shows him grabbing a reluctant girl at a cash register and kissing her in public. I'm not going to pretend to any expertise on the Japanese legal system, but this seems to me like a pretty flagrant violation of the forcible criminal indecency laws (強制わいせつ罪) That's the same law they use to grab train molestors, and I don't see any reason why this moron wouldn't qualify. (The statute's text is pretty vague.) There's a lesser offence "disturbing the peace" (迷惑防止条例違反), as well. If you get smacked with the former you're looking at 6 months+ in prison. If it's the latter, 6 months or less and a 5k fine. I can't say which of the two would apply: it would probably be the lesser one, but if it somehow got back to the police that you'd been doing this a lot, (or say, it was common knowledge that Americans were coming over to Japan to do this) it might well be the nastier one. And those are for Japanese citizens. I don't know what happens if you're a foreigner; they might simply punt you from the country, or they might decide to make an example of you. (Especially if they just saw something on a variety show last night about Americans coming over to Japan and pawing at unwilling young girls.)

Is he gonna get caught for it? Probably not. The cops aren't everywhere, and a lot of girls don't want to cause a fuss. (Plus, he's leaving quickly anyway.) But if people go to his classes and start imitating him, which is obviously what he's aiming for, sooner or later somebody's going to do this right in front of a police officer.
Others may have varied experiences, but I've found that the cops tend to take a dim view of white guys with Japanese women. Not to the point of plucking them off the street or anything, but I've gotten nasty glares. I remember one time I was going with my girlfriend to a hotel in Osaka when we passed by a police officer's box. It was a decent part of town, I was well-dressed and carrying luggage, it was only 8:00 PM or so, and she and I were both clearly sober. The guy in there looked like he was ready to arrest me at any minute.
But let's say I'm paranoid. Let's say there's only a 1% chance that anybody who does the things he's doing will get arrested (and remember, grabbing a chick at a cash register at kissing her is indisputably a crime). That means if a hundred people listen to his lectures and decide to go do the things he's talking about, one will be looking at the inside of a Japanese prison cell for an indeterminate amount of time. And that's not a place you want to be.

Others who've spent time in Japan, and I know there are quite a few on these boards, can lend their expertise: am I totally off base with this or is there a real possibility that some fool could go to jail for following the advice in this video?

[Veloce]

(11-05-2014 12:37 AM)runsonmagic Wrote:  

Was anyone able to watch this entire vid? I couldn't. Everything from this guy's mannerisms, to the way he jerks his head around a lot, to blinking a lot, to his effeminate speaking mannerisms are all unbearable to watch or listen to. Listening him interact with that chick was the final straw.

These people are absolute bottom of the barrel, both him and her. I'm normally not one for shaming unsuccessful men, but seriously what kind of fucking loser would you have to be to watch that video and think it has any merit or value whatsoever?

Jesus christ, I've had moments where I've felt like a skeezy lecher while out hunting with the guys, but I feel downright conservative and "normal" after watching these RSD videos. These should really re-name their program, "How to be a low-value male and hook up with low-value females."

[Phoenix]

This has found its way onto my social media news-feed. Its the first time anything from this 'sphere' has done so.

So let me get this right, he went to Japan, and was grabbing J-girls in the street and pulling their heads towards his crotch, and then chanting 'Pikachu! Pikachu!'.

Kind of like a fox in a hen-house really. This behavior is so alien to Japan, and they are all so polite, that no passers-by will intervene. Probably why the cunt chose to do it in Japan.

Shame he didn't try it in Thailand. That's a 'hotseat' video I would buy.

[Blue5]

I have a distinct hunch that RSD, and Julian especially suffers from a bad case of ivory tower syndrome.

Their model of business involves the sale of techniques and practices to a largely uninitiated audience, consisting mainly of single Caucasian males struggling with forming relationships with the opposite sex. And so, it is in their interest to promote a veneer of ease in their methods; a myth of invincibility and power demonstrated through 3 things.

1. The ease of which they get the girl.
2. How much "fun" they're having, with the girl.
3. Lastly, how much hatred from "beta" males they get.

The third is most appropriate for these context. They use the backlash as a sort of proof, and guarantee of their method. Added to this is the constant message within their material, that beta males, or "chodes" as they call them, are weak, insecure men who are hopeless at game - whose only recourse is to complain online. A powerful message, especially to a vocal audience that desperately do not want to be associated with being a "chode."

Now here is where it goes wrong. A great majority of men, though not "redpill" are not weak either. If they are silent, it is usually because they do not want to get involved. A fact of which is nicely exploited to enhance the myth of RSD being an "eilte"cadre of men, standing a head above the faceless sea of "chodes."

Now, it seems that it has gone rather too far. Instead of a gentle ribbing, or a side joke - it has gone over into full on shaming and mockery, of an entire race no less. Any restraint or objection from the masses is written off as the whineing of "beta asians" or "chodes". With no checks on power, this will likely not end the way Mr Julian wants.

Just my two cents.

[Glaucon]

These RSD guys are fanatics, some of them are just maniacs.

I have been in one of the hotseat events, (I know I know, I was young and stupid...) and that was when I saw the infield footage live that this whole PUA thing and RSD is just insane. I never want to end up a men like them...

What I have learned a lot from RSD Tyler 's videos is the importance of meditation, and building yourself as a successful men and having an interesting life with hobbies you like. The life-coach material was solid, but the game advice was subpar.

[Deluge]

(11-05-2014 04:09 AM)Phoenix Wrote:  

This has found its way onto my social media news-feed. Its the first time anything from this 'sphere' has done so.

Exact same here, that's how I found out about it in the first place.

(11-05-2014 04:39 AM)Glaucon Wrote:  

These RSD guys are fanatics, some of them are just maniacs.

I have been in one of the hotseat events, (I know I know, I was young and stupid...) and that was when I saw the infield footage live that this whole PUA thing and RSD is just insane. I never want to end up a men like them...

What I have learned a lot from RSD Tyler 's videos is the importance of meditation, and building yourself as a successful men and having an interesting life with hobbies you like. The life-coach material was solid, but the game advice was subpar.

What did you see in their infield footage?

[Bushido]

Kind of ironic to see all these white betas paying $1,000s for seminars on how to sleep with Japanese girls. I thought Asian girls were supposed to be easy.

[Thoroughbred]

(11-05-2014 03:27 AM)Faust Wrote:  

I can see what you're saying here, but I disagree.

Fair enough. The point of my post wasn't so much about RSD and what they're doing, more just simply freedom of speech and right to assembly.

It appears (I wasn't there, were you?) some of what he's been filmed doing ain't kosher. There are police reports, assault charges and due process to deal with those things if they are genuinely an issue.

I'm saying people should have the right to hear him speak if they want to.

Oh well, perhaps we roll on down here and bash out a few approaches?
https://www.facebook.com/events/15101128...nref=story

[Menace]

RSD sounds like a combination cult/MLM enterprise. Do hotseat students get rewarded if they sign someone up? Anyone who does not immediately recoil at this stuff has something seriously wrong with their social compass.