Quote: (10-31-2014 11:18 PM)LeBeau Wrote:
Quote: (10-29-2014 05:50 PM)Moma Wrote:
So to conclude, my question is: Why would any of the true extroverts here or salesmen (face to face salesmen not over the phone jesters) have an issue with the actualisation and application of game?
This shows ignorance regarding sales, many jobs still require the ability to sell over the phone.
The same way you can lose a girl or a potential client with your body language/presence in person, you can also ruin your chances over the phone with your voice and conversation abilities.
There's too many generalizations in the opening post in this thread for it to be truly applicable.
The reason I mention face to face is that I believe a large percentage of how you do with the lizard is with your face to face interaction (which is usually done initially). Whether it is SNL etc.
By the time, you get her on the phone, hopefully, you should be just playing anti-fcuk it up game.
I used to have a problem with talking too much on the phone. I engage too much in intellectual talk (not trying to come off as a creep) and I feel it would dry up the knickers. These days I try to be neutral on the phone and move them to a date as fast as possible. I am thinking I should experiment more and try and turn it up sexually and see where I get with that.
I have done sales so I have an insight in what I am talking about. I've never been good at sales. I tried it when I moved to the States and I actually did pretty well because I have a British accent.
I didn't like it in Toronto and I didn't like it in London.
Here is my sales experience:
In England I sold:
Face to face -
1) appointments in London for window installations (not the operating system) and I sucked at that. Young blonde lizards killed it cos most of the homeowners were thirsty men who were hoping to fcuk.
2) Gym memberships in High Wycombe (door to door). Didn't do that well at it.
Over the phone -
1)Timeshares in Lanzarote. Did absolutely crap at this.
2) Some kind of discount at Debenhams. Did alright at this and had housewives cackling saying I sounded like Ali G.
In Toronto, I didn't do any face to face.
Over the phone -
1) Subscriptions to the Globe and Mail - Did terribly at this, the people we targeted didn't need it and I couldn't overcome their objections. Those who did well at this were the lizards. Women trust women and men hope to fcuk.
2) Discounts to medical for Americans to Americans. This I did ok in.
3) Discounted phone service to Canadians. I did badly at this. All the lizards killed it in this job. People that came to mind that I remember killing it:
Some ghetto lizard from Regent park who didn't even use rebuttals. She just delivered her pitch and moved on. The fact that she sounded female alone (which falls in line with the fact that women trust women and men just wanna fcuk).
Some young black lizard (who got fcuked by one of the Bajan guys who got hired same time as me) killed it just fcuking around on the phone.
Some Jamaican lizard fresh from yard who had the blatant accent (plus gold cap to match).
Some black gay guy with an effeminate tone.
My point in the listing of the above is to show that
I have been in the sales industry. It's the easiest job to get while you are trying to keep your head above waters.
If you are a true salesman that can sell a myriad of stuff from sh!t that people want, to sh!t that there really isn't an interest in via cold calls i.e. door to door sales on goofy sh!t like timeshares to broke people then the conversion to getting lizards is the same.
If you want to convert your ability sell to game, obviously the product you have got to flog is You. Obviously from sales, you are used to dealing with huge volumes so rejections shouldn't bother you. You won't see the Nos as a negative but merely the opportunity to gather more information.
Get her comfortable, ask probing questions, find a need and then pitch your product. Same process as how you sell your cars or your over the phone shyt. The reason I have discounted the over the phone pitch in this is because:
How many people in here do phone dating? As in, you go through the phone book and try to get dates from cold calling the numbers there? I would guess a very low amount hence I discount that skillset here.
Even if you had a great phone voice, if your body language is awkward in person and you have a smile like Arnold Schwarzenegger with cramps, your svelte phone voice will probably not overcome the weird visuals the lizard is getting from you.
All the extroverts or sales people I knew were very good at getting lizards. I distinctly recall going to collect a West Indian associate (a friend of someone I used to date) from Pearson airport. Immigration weren't going to let him through cos the dogs smelt ganja on him. We got him through and took him to some casino in Ontario to begin his Canadian experience. Not even two hours into being a fresh Canuck, I observed the guy light up a square and stare intensely at one of the lizards in our circle and begin his pitch.
That to me is the mark of an extrovert. I also remember a Gambian cat in the UK who pulled some nice lizards. He looked 'African' as some of you lot claim but he had a very friendly, trusting face and I always saw him rolling with some nice lizards. He gave off a nice, fun energy and I could easily see how that translated to lizards. I remember being at his place and he brought a pretty St Lucian lizard through.
What I am trying to say is that, extroverts and salesmen are not dampened by the No's. Unless you bonafide salesmen look like absolute gargoyles, I should imagine the translation to game to be the same.
Remember that we've established that looks don't matter enough to rule you out of the game.
I know a guy from Toronto that looks like a photocopy of Idi Amin that has white lizards practically flying at him. So unless you say that Idi Amin is a very good looking guy then we can safely dismiss looks.
So since we've ruled out looks and we can see the direct correlation between being an extrovert or great face to face salesman AND game, then why do you with these qualities struggle to actualise OR apply game principles?