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(10-28-2014 12:21 PM)MrXY Wrote:  

I enjoy seeing weaselly, conformist male feminists getting what they deserve at the hands of women.

Ghomeshi is a bonafide feminist but not really a militant SJW. When he interviews he never talks over anyone regardless of political stance, so I'm on the fence if I want to see this guy get ruined legally.

If this fiasco doesn't end up red pilling him then fuck 'em, he's a lost cause and he deserves whatever he gets after this point.

The other thing is this could cause some divide within the feminist community. If Ghomeshi wasn't such a proud feminist this could easily be written off as a case of misogyny, but since he is this is going to be a hard narrative to twist.

[Last Parade]

A "friend" immediately throws his "friend"ship with Jian into the dirt based on words from strangers.

https://www.facebook.com/owenpalletteter...0081073780

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“We will never really know what happened.” Yes we do. Jian beat, at the very least, three women. Three women said so. “They were jilted exes.” Maybe so. They were beaten by Jian.

“They were freelance writers looking to get ahead.” Three women were beaten by Jian Ghomeshi.

At no point here will I ever give my friend Jian’s version of the truth more creedence than the version of the truth offered up by three women. Anonymity does not mean these women do not exist.

[Benoit]

(10-28-2014 09:31 PM)Last Parade Wrote:  

A "friend" immediately throws his "friend"ship with Jian into the dirt based on words from strangers.

https://www.facebook.com/owenpalletteter...0081073780

Mangina hamster running wild.

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“They were engaged in BDSM role-play.” This: this is something I need to talk about.

The beauty of BDSM relationships is that the power is always in the hands of the sub. BDSM and choke play is a subversion of male violence.

He looks like a sub, no wonder he's taking it so personally.

[Wadsworth]

(10-27-2014 03:27 AM)Nemausus Wrote:  

Jian at his progressive best:

His coming destruction will be a public one. His thoughts after it's done will be more interesting than are his current thoughts.

[Yatagan]

I have zero sympathy for the guy after seeing that tweet.

[placer]

(10-28-2014 09:31 PM)Last Parade Wrote:  

A "friend" immediately throws his "friend"ship with Jian into the dirt based on words from strangers.

https://www.facebook.com/owenpalletteter...0081073780

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“We will never really know what happened.” Yes we do. Jian beat, at the very least, three women. Three women said so.

Jian says that there was no non-consensual abuse in his relationships. Full stop.

This "friend" is no real friend. Any "friend" who unquestionably accepts the word of women he does not even know over his "friend"'s word is not a friend. This "friend" cares more about SJW ideals than he cares about true loyalty among brothers.

There's a reason men say "bros before hos". I have very few true friends, but I know that not one of my true friends would betray me like this Owen Pallett mangina has betrayed Jian.

[Nemausus]

8 women now. Some crazy allegations being made. http://t.thestar.com/#/article/news/gta/...sment.html

The article above has screencaps of his terrible messages to girls via Facebook.



The Star also says it has seen other email exchanges between him and the girls where his behaviour is discussed.



Maybe the weirdest part of all this:

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Two of the women who allege they were physically assaulted also say that before the alleged assaults in his home he introduced them to Big Ears Teddy, a stuffed bear, and he turned the bear around just before he slapped or choked them, saying that “Big Ears Teddy shouldn’t see this.”

[Duke Castile]

I'm a little disappointed that I have to tell some of you this but what you should be hoping is that if this man is innocent then he should be exonerated and his accusers exposed as liars (I hope this is the case as this would be the best possible outcome for exposing the destructive and vile feminist narrative)

If he is guilty you should be hoping he is found to be so.

In other words, justice is the best outcome for the fight against feminism.

Making special allowances for this guy to get off or to be persecuted outside of what is consistent with the truth and the just repercussions is something SJWs do.

We do not want any man to go down for false accusations even if he is a self identified feminist. Why? Because that hurts ALL men.

We also do not want someone who has assaulted women to walk freely. Why, because that also hurts men.

We should not be discussing whether to be flexible with our sense of right and wrong based on his gender or what he believes.

SJWs do that and we are better than them.

[Zep]

^Agreed. It will hurt men if this guy is guilty but gets off, I don't think he will, and after 8 women coming forward and listening to this http://www.torontosun.com/2014/10/29/wom...r-on-date. I think this dude is finished and I wouldn't be surprised if he has a bad meltdown.

I don't like him, but I've also seen a crazy woman send my neighbor to jail by hitting herself then calling the cops and saying my neighbor did it. I'm well aware that young woman can be hysterical and extremely irresponsible and damaging to innocent men.

But, 8 women coming forward? and that interview? He's finished IMO.

[spook]

(10-29-2014 09:53 PM)Nemausus Wrote:  

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Two of the women who allege they were physically assaulted also say that before the alleged assaults in his home he introduced them to Big Ears Teddy, a stuffed bear, and he turned the bear around just before he slapped or choked them, saying that “Big Ears Teddy shouldn’t see this.”

Good Lord, that just keeps getting funnier every time I read it. It's like something the villain in a Law and Order: SVU episode would do right before the detectives kick in the door.

[Kingsley Davis]

[LeBeau]

...

[Handsome Creepy Eel]

Owen's Facebook post is 50/50% between SJWs lauding him for fostering the inquisition against Jian, and normal people slamming him for cowardly turning his back on a friend. The difference in reasoning is stark.

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You are a spineless man and a sorry excuse for a friend. How can you say with a straight face "At no point here will I ever give my friend Jian’s version of the truth more credence than the version of the truth offered up by three women."

By all means, if there is actual proof beyond reasonable doubt that a friend has done something bad, you should break off your relations and stop supporting him. But to publicly throw him under the bus just on the basis of unproven accusations is cowardly and weak.

I hope that one day you will also find yourself the target of accusations and your own friends will abandon you in the effort to lick the boots of the inquisition.

You should be ashamed of yourself.

[bojangles]

Well that commentator is not wrong. At this moment in time though it does not look good for this SJW.

[HighSpeed_LowDrag]

(10-27-2014 03:27 AM)Nemausus Wrote:  

Jian at his progressive best:

Wonder what Ghomeshi thinks about "women running the world" now.

As far as I'm concerned - it's one more self-righteous white knight mangina getting fucked over by the people whose ideology he bought into.

This will be fun to watch.

[UroboricForms]

Never fails to make me feel uneasy at how quickly and easily these kind of people will throw their own to the sharks like chum. The same kind of people that whine about leaked celebrity nudes will dox the living shit out of their own enemies. It seems that the left is basically defined by double standards and honourless practices. Sure the guy seems like a bit of a sniveling prick (anyone who thinks the world would be "better off" ruled by women should be laughed out of the room), but a part of me can't help but feel sorry for the guy. I hope he learns from this painful experience and comes over to the red pill side. If this doesn't force it down his throat then nothing will. Horrible business.

[Nemausus]

We've seen some examples earlier on in this thread of Jian being thrown under the bus by feminists on Twitter. I've got a real world anecdote that goes right along with this theme.

Back when I had a 9-5 job (I'm Canadian, by the way), I shared an office with a woman who was then in her late 20s. A self-described feminist with short hair, who was very involved in the local arts scene. She'd usually get to the office at around 10am, with her Starbucks coffee, danish and iPhone in hand, fire up her computer, open up her emails and launch iTunes to pull up the CBC stream to listen to Jian on Q. This was the daily routine.

It got to the point where I couldn't take it anymore and politely suggested we switch to music or that she use headphones. The show was interesting when it had high profile guests, but day after day it gets annoying.

With this story emerging, it made me think back to those times in that office, since it was there that I most often listened to Jian on Q. This morning I took a look at my former co-worker's Facebook page. She's shared and endorsed the post by that musician "friend" who threw Jian under the bus. She added to the post: "I never cared for Jian."

A woman who listened to him every day, in a public workspace, has simply tossed him aside, turning her back on him and retroactively adjusted her opinion.

[komatiite]

http://www.cbc.ca/m/news/arts/jian-ghome...-1.2817806

Jian crossed the shit line with this one boys. Never fuck with Ricky's girl!

[bojangles]

(10-30-2014 09:01 AM)Nemausus Wrote:  

We've seen some examples earlier on in this thread of Jian being thrown under the bus by feminists on Twitter. I've got a real world anecdote that goes right along with this theme.

Back when I had a 9-5 job (I'm Canadian, by the way), I shared an office with a woman who was then in her late 20s. A self-described feminist with short hair, who was very involved in the local arts scene. She'd usually get to the office at around 10am, with her Starbucks coffee, danish and iPhone in hand, fire up her computer, open up her emails and launch iTunes to pull up the CBC stream to listen to Jian on Q. This was the daily routine.

It got to the point where I couldn't take it anymore and politely suggested we switch to music or that she use headphones. The show was interesting when it had high profile guests, but day after day it gets annoying.

With this story emerging, it made me think back to those times in that office, since it was there that I most often listened to Jian on Q. This morning I took a look at my former co-worker's Facebook page. She's shared and endorsed the post by that musician "friend" who threw Jian under the bus. She added to the post: "I never cared for Jian."

A woman who listened to him every day, in a public workspace, has simply tossed him aside, turning her back on him and retroactively adjusted her opinion.

I would call her out on it.

[TheWastelander]

(10-30-2014 11:46 AM)bojangles Wrote:  

(10-30-2014 09:01 AM)Nemausus Wrote:  

We've seen some examples earlier on in this thread of Jian being thrown under the bus by feminists on Twitter. I've got a real world anecdote that goes right along with this theme.

Back when I had a 9-5 job (I'm Canadian, by the way), I shared an office with a woman who was then in her late 20s. A self-described feminist with short hair, who was very involved in the local arts scene. She'd usually get to the office at around 10am, with her Starbucks coffee, danish and iPhone in hand, fire up her computer, open up her emails and launch iTunes to pull up the CBC stream to listen to Jian on Q. This was the daily routine.

It got to the point where I couldn't take it anymore and politely suggested we switch to music or that she use headphones. The show was interesting when it had high profile guests, but day after day it gets annoying.

With this story emerging, it made me think back to those times in that office, since it was there that I most often listened to Jian on Q. This morning I took a look at my former co-worker's Facebook page. She's shared and endorsed the post by that musician "friend" who threw Jian under the bus. She added to the post: "I never cared for Jian."

A woman who listened to him every day, in a public workspace, has simply tossed him aside, turning her back on him and retroactively adjusted her opinion.

I would call her out on it.

Yeah, but since it's public and he lives in Canada he should use SJW-shaming language to rustle her jimmies.

"You never cared for him? You made me listen to that misogynist/racist/cishet/whatever for years despite me protesting your microaggressions!"

[Nemausus]

Calling her out might be satisfying, but it's not worth the effort.

I haven't posted anything to Facebook in a year and I'm not about to start now.

[Lizard King]

(10-30-2014 09:21 AM)komatiite Wrote:  

http://www.cbc.ca/m/news/arts/jian-ghome...-1.2817806

Jian crossed the shit line with this one boys. Never fuck with Ricky's girl!

[Benoit]

https://www.facebook.com/amandapalmer/po...6179293375

30th October Wrote:

here's the deal. a few months ago i asked jian to be my chat-guest in toronto for this book tour along with a bunch of other people in other cities (zoe keating, bob lefsetz, amy cuddy, peter sagal, armistead maupin, etc, etc). if you've been following the news, he's become a lightning rod in the past couple days.
...
i'm still figuring out what to do about this.

The comments are filled with 'survivors' alternately begging her to shun him and berating her for promoting rape culture or whatever.


One day later she decided to uninvite him from the event (100% chance that he wouldn't have turned up anyway):
https://www.facebook.com/amandapalmer/po...8178708375

31st October Wrote:

thank you for patiently standing by while i figured out what to do about this situation with jian ghomeshi, who i invited months ago to be my on-stage interview guest in toronto as i tour the book.
to those of you who have engaged in the conversation in a thoughtful, compassionate, calm way, i hug you. thank you.
...
given everything i've learned, and especially given how upsetting it would be to so many, jian will not be coming to the show in toronto.

The SJWs commenting are now attacking her for following the party line exactly but considering the options first.

In their world, if you don't denounce someone fast enough, you become a supporter of that person and must be shamed.

[DarkTriad]

"Two of the women who allege they were physically assaulted also say that before the alleged assaults in his home he introduced them to Big Ears Teddy, a stuffed bear, and he turned the bear around just before he slapped or choked them, saying that “Big Ears Teddy shouldn’t see this.”

He's got a camera in the teddy, and doesn't fell like taping anything incriminating.

[alexdagr81]

Amanda Marcotte (the Skip Bayless of feminism) gave her two cents:

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For those inclined to believe Ghomeshi, then, these new accusers are not evidence of his guilt but of the far-reaching female cabal of post-breakup revenge. But there's often a much simpler reason these kinds of accusations tend to come in waves, a combination of safety in numbers and a newfound sense of urgency that comes with finding out that other people have been victims. Many victims stay silent out of fear and a belief that speaking up won't do any good anyway, as the assailant will simply deny the accusations. But when one woman comes forward, other victims not only feel safer about speaking up, but they often realize this man has a pattern of behavior that won't be stopped unless more women tell their own stories and, in doing so, bring added credibility to the original accusations.

You see this pattern time and time again. Sharon Bialek, who accused then-presidential candidate Herman Cain of sexual harassment, only came forward after hearing that two other women had anonymously accused him. She wished to "to give a face and a voice to those other women," as she explained in a press conference. Thirteen separate women have accused Bill Cosby of sexual assault, and those who did on-the-record interviews cited the other women coming forward as the reason they felt the need to speak out. San Diego Mayor Bob Filner initially tried to paint himself as a victim of a "lynch-mob mentality" when 18 women came forward with accusations of sexual harassment, but eventually he had to admit instead that it was his own pattern of behavior that was the problem and not a conspiracy against him.

As Harding notes, these kind of conspiracy theories rely on a pernicious stereotype of women as inherently deceitful, greedy, and downright sociopathic in their willingness to hurt men for the lulz. After the new wave of accusations came out, Ghomeshi returned to Facebook today with a more succinct statement. "I want to thank you for your support and assure you that I intend to meet these allegations directly," he writes. "I don’t intend to discuss this matter any further with the media." In comments, a supporter posted an image of a lynch mob.