Peru is probably the most popular country for gringos in the whole of Latin America, massive tourism industry.
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Quote: (06-24-2011 05:24 PM)Vacancier Permanent Wrote:
Mixx,
I find quite interesting your comment about it being a suicide for models in Colombia to be with white guys. Could you elaborate and explain why that might be? I'm very curious about Colombia and would appreciate your feedback on it as you seem to know Colombia quite well.
Gracias compadre.
Well, to start off - know that higher status Colombian women hold peer approval at the VERY TOP of their list when dating/fucking. What their family, friends, co-workers, and society thinks of her (and you) is of paramount importance. Much like Russian/Ukraine women as explained by Oldnemesis.
There is a stigma associated with dating white foreigners. That is, white foreign men, who do not speak spanish, have no local social connections or ties to anyone - are sex tourists. As such, seen with one would label her a "casadora de visas" {Green card hunter} by her peers.
Being called a "Casadora de visa" is equivalent to being called a slut in the point of view of a Colombian social dynamics. Colombian men are ruthless at calling women this if it means making her feel like shit to punish her for giving someone other than him, a Colombian, her pussy.
To be seen with a white foreigner lowers a woman's' perceived social value (Very important to her) amongst her peers. Again, these are only women who are NOT poor and have good local jobs, or have dozens of local suitors because she is very beautiful.
The poor neighborhood/low educated girls, and normal-average looking women will chase gringos all the time; they are looking for a way out of poverty and will have dozens of gringo boyfriends around the globe. They are waiting until one proposes marriage and takes her away to the garden of Eden where she will never again "suffer" the agony of having to look for work and have unlimited spending powers on her new husbands corporate cards, and he will take care fo her kids a Colombian man left her alone with.
** You will find that 75% of lower class barrio Colombian women are single moms - it's truly staggering.
Now, back to the cream of the crop, you know, the girls you see stop traffic on the streets, in VIP booths at nightclubs...the woman other women wish to be for 1 night.....those women will not date foreign, white men. They look for the big fish in their own gene pool - it's just the way society has made it out to be in Colombia.
Many foreign men have gone to Colombia and have built a very bad rep of fucking, lying with "I love yous and marry me" to get sex, and never coming back. So, local women have caught on to this scam, and will give you a dozen shit tests and loops to jump through before her panties come down for a foreigner.
Even women that have decent jobs, and a good social life will not do it anymore. Gringos have an incredibly bad rep in Colombia that they are sex tourists until proven otherwise. If you do not have local connections, local friends, local investments, nobody locally knows you, and you don't speak spanish; then you are considered just "passing by" - you are a sex tourist.
Add to this fiasco that Colombian women under the age of 25 are flaky as hell, and you are really in for a challenge as a white foreigner looking to get laid with the top level (Non-pro) talent. This is in complete contrast to Peru, where it will be thrown in your face just for being white, and taken away if you are not!
It's kind of same vibe that women in Ukraine have of foreign, Italian men today.
The beautiful women have dozens of suitors locally who give them EVERYTHING, and I mean everything. Not only do these suitors act as great providers, they have local social proof: They are lawyers, bankers, TV producers, nightclub owners etc who are the big fish amongst the colombian social circles.
Reality is, Colombian women do not value being white as much as Peruvian women do.
Fact is, Colombian women love their latin men....and will always go back to them in the end - regardless of what color eyes her baby will have.
Mixx
Mixx - well you have spoken about the reality of the place. This post would be great for the "black american guys kill in X" thread, some people are painting a entirely different picture of Colombia if you are a white gringo.
Quote: (06-24-2011 07:45 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:
Mixx - well you have spoken about the reality of the place. This post would be great for the "black american guys kill in X" thread, some people are painting a entirely different picture of Colombia if you are a white gringo.
If you have fashion sense, charisma, and smoothness...well, you may do very well in Colombia, but your succes will come from being a player - regardless of your race.
In peru, a 110lb (50kg) nerd will get laid with ZERO game so long a he is white, and has blue eyes.
however, I think that the women they may be talking about may be women I would not even glance at if I am in Colombia as I tend to go for the weather anchors ladies, bankers, doctors and high status models of Colombia.
Mixx
Mixx,
Thank you for that well detailed post about the psychology of Colombianas and dating them.
What you wrote about not being labeled a casadora de visa is also the same in Brasil as the elite girls won't be dead seen with a gringo unless said gringo lives there, has social network/value and speaks fluent portuguese. I've noticed that too. Totally agreed with you that the elite in Colombia as in Brasil have it made and wouldn't want to live abroad as they have a sweet lifestyle almost akin to bourgeoisie there with maids and all that they propably would'nt get in the West. And that only the lower class would do anything to get out of their poverty.
Cheers man.
Thank you for that well detailed post about the psychology of Colombianas and dating them.
What you wrote about not being labeled a casadora de visa is also the same in Brasil as the elite girls won't be dead seen with a gringo unless said gringo lives there, has social network/value and speaks fluent portuguese. I've noticed that too. Totally agreed with you that the elite in Colombia as in Brasil have it made and wouldn't want to live abroad as they have a sweet lifestyle almost akin to bourgeoisie there with maids and all that they propably would'nt get in the West. And that only the lower class would do anything to get out of their poverty.
Cheers man.
Quote: (06-24-2011 04:53 PM)Aliblahba Wrote:
Quote: (05-09-2011 05:38 PM)Gringo Wrote:
Yep Mama Africa and the other clubs in that square are the prime spots for picking up gringo hunters, I advise getting in a bit before midnight, the girls will be there but the hordes of other tourists from the nearbye hostels won't have turned up yet and you get first choice of the girls, around 1am when they are all in it's slim pickings as everyones already hooked up for the night.
Wow. I didn't expect that many gringo's to be in Lima. Flashman mentioned it getting to "toxic" levels in this area, which apparently I'll avoid. Also, how much English is used down there by the locals?
Mama Africa is in Cusco not Lima
Yeah I went a bit off topic there with my Cusco talk, apologies.
Quote: (06-24-2011 02:22 PM)MiXX Wrote:
Sorry to rain on your parade Selva, but Lima is not paradise to ANY foreigner as you put it, only to WHITE foreigners who ate not black or Latino foreigners.
I'm not trying to convince anyone of anything, all I know is that I get more than my share of women in Peru. Yes, I am white and pretty good looking, but there is more to it than race. My roommate for my first couple months here was a young black guy from England. He had a hot regular girlfriend and several cute girls on the side.
I think you are right that Latino-looking guys might not have the same sort of novelty as I do, but every day I see Latino guys with smoking hot girls. I can't imagine why some of you don't do as well in Peru as you might in other places, but there is probably something to the idea that certain places are 'sweet spots' for certain types of guys to have better luck with women. If you are more into scoring than hunting those places are where you should be.
The Latinos you see with smoking hot girls has 2 variables:
1. What you consider "smoking hot" I may consider just average. I live in South Beach, Miami - I grade extremely tough.
2. The Latinos you see have local social proof. Friends locally, connections etc which I did not have.
Your black friend from England has more perceived value in Peru than a black guy from Puerto Rico or Cuba, or even American black.
I enjoy both hunting and scoring. But I only want to score with women worth hunting. I did nit see ANY smoking hot women in Peru, only average girls below Colombian and definitely below Miami standards.
Just so we are clear, I was not roasting your post or your report, I love it when everyone contributes here. I am roasting Perus ignorance.
Still, Great report on Peru regardless. I was making clear dome facts that even immigration officers and nightclub security guards were racist. I was wearing a SUIT too!
I never mentioned it being just the women, it
was everyone! Re-read my post.
Mixx
1. What you consider "smoking hot" I may consider just average. I live in South Beach, Miami - I grade extremely tough.
2. The Latinos you see have local social proof. Friends locally, connections etc which I did not have.
Your black friend from England has more perceived value in Peru than a black guy from Puerto Rico or Cuba, or even American black.
I enjoy both hunting and scoring. But I only want to score with women worth hunting. I did nit see ANY smoking hot women in Peru, only average girls below Colombian and definitely below Miami standards.
Just so we are clear, I was not roasting your post or your report, I love it when everyone contributes here. I am roasting Perus ignorance.
Still, Great report on Peru regardless. I was making clear dome facts that even immigration officers and nightclub security guards were racist. I was wearing a SUIT too!
I never mentioned it being just the women, it
was everyone! Re-read my post.
Mixx
Quote: (06-28-2011 11:09 AM)MiXX Wrote:
I did nit see ANY smoking hot women in Peru, only average girls below Colombian and definitely below Miami standards.
I'd say it depends where in Colombia you are, on the coast I see very few smoking hot girls. It's been awhile since i was in Peru but I don't think they are as fat as Colombians either. Majority of girls on the coast in Colombia are ugly.
Yes, the racism and some of the crap people have to put up with here in Peru is ridiculous sometimes. My ex-novia is mulatta and there were a couple of times when we went out dancing and I was invited to the VIP but the bouncers stopped her and would not let her come with me. I would get pissed and leave with her but she took it as less of a personal offense than I did.
As far as the looks thing goes, everyone has their own personal taste. For instance, you could show a guy who is into blue-eyed blondes the hottest Kenyan woman ever and she wouldn´t rate for him. I dated the blonde beauty queen type when I was younger and my tastes have changed. Now I like black women, mulattas, and mestizo Latinas. Based on that, how I would have rated girls 20 years ago is drastically different than I would rate them today.
That is why I like the idea of the "Boner Test." No ranking, no comparisons, just "does thinking about boning her make you hard?"
As far as the looks thing goes, everyone has their own personal taste. For instance, you could show a guy who is into blue-eyed blondes the hottest Kenyan woman ever and she wouldn´t rate for him. I dated the blonde beauty queen type when I was younger and my tastes have changed. Now I like black women, mulattas, and mestizo Latinas. Based on that, how I would have rated girls 20 years ago is drastically different than I would rate them today.
That is why I like the idea of the "Boner Test." No ranking, no comparisons, just "does thinking about boning her make you hard?"
Selva, how long will you be in Lima? I'm going to Colombia on Saturday for about a month, but I want to hit up some more Latin American countries after that. I hadn't thought of Lima, but I'm up for it.
The same racism occurs in Colombia with blacks not getting into certain clubs. Maybe it is worse in Peru, i don't know, but exists all over South America.
the old rule of dark skin = poor person working outside exposed to the sun, and light skin= rich person working inside is the rule all over the globe.
the old rule of dark skin = poor person working outside exposed to the sun, and light skin= rich person working inside is the rule all over the globe.
I live out in the jungle most of the time and right now I only make it to Lima every couple of months. This last visit wrapped up with another virgin notch and a threeway, so I could come back to the jungle with my nutsack drained to resume beating my head against the wall trying to get to these jungle cuties.
You have no idea how easy guys have it in the city. I read the posts talking about how tough it is in DC or wherever and I think that sounds like a cakewalk compared to what I am trying to pull off. Imagine a life where you approach a girl by opening her mother and having her present you to the daughter. Then you have to sneak around because the neighbors seeing her with a gringo will destroy her repution. On top of that the endless games and I thank goodness that Lima is only a day´s bus ride away![[Image: smile.gif]](https://rooshvforum.network/images/smilies/smile.gif)
You have no idea how easy guys have it in the city. I read the posts talking about how tough it is in DC or wherever and I think that sounds like a cakewalk compared to what I am trying to pull off. Imagine a life where you approach a girl by opening her mother and having her present you to the daughter. Then you have to sneak around because the neighbors seeing her with a gringo will destroy her repution. On top of that the endless games and I thank goodness that Lima is only a day´s bus ride away
I'm black, but I have light skin. I guess that helps because I get lots of interest at dating sites. I have a Colombiana waiting on me when I arrive on Saturday.
She is not Colombia's finest. She is definitely not ugly, closer to avg looking, but she has a nice tight body and offered two major selling points for me....
One, she offered me a place to stay with her and 2 roommates and literally made me promise not to pay for anything. She said she has no interest in my money, only me.
As a test, I offered to pay for her bus ticket to meet me at the Bogota airport. She declined and bought her own ticket.
Two, she has a college friend who is going to give me cheap spanish lessons every day as I don't speak it well at all.
Sorry, got a bit off topic.
She is not Colombia's finest. She is definitely not ugly, closer to avg looking, but she has a nice tight body and offered two major selling points for me....
One, she offered me a place to stay with her and 2 roommates and literally made me promise not to pay for anything. She said she has no interest in my money, only me.
As a test, I offered to pay for her bus ticket to meet me at the Bogota airport. She declined and bought her own ticket.
Two, she has a college friend who is going to give me cheap spanish lessons every day as I don't speak it well at all.
Sorry, got a bit off topic.
Quote: (06-28-2011 01:40 PM)Tbone Wrote:
I'm black, but I have light skin. I guess that helps because I get lots of interest at dating sites. I have a Colombiana waiting on me when I arrive on Saturday.
She is not Colombia's finest. She is definitely not ugly, closer to avg looking, but she has a nice tight body and offered two major selling points for me....
One, she offered me a place to stay with her and 2 roommates and literally made me promise not to pay for anything. She said she has no interest in my money, only me.
As a test, I offered to pay for her bus ticket to meet me at the Bogota airport. She declined and bought her own ticket.
Two, she has a college friend who is going to give me cheap spanish lessons every day as I don't speak it well at all.
Sorry, got a bit off topic.
Which city?
Which site?
Break it down holmes.
The sites? Latinamericancupid and colombiancupid.
The city? Not my first choice. Bucaramanga. It's about 8 hours from Bogota I think.
I talk to hotter girls in other cities, but the girl in Bucaramanga had too many selling points - cheap spanish lessons, trustworthy, intelligent, free accommodations, and of course the extra curricular activities.
When my spanish improves, I'll be able to hit up the major cities and have more fun - cartagena, medellin, barranquilla, etc.
The city? Not my first choice. Bucaramanga. It's about 8 hours from Bogota I think.
I talk to hotter girls in other cities, but the girl in Bucaramanga had too many selling points - cheap spanish lessons, trustworthy, intelligent, free accommodations, and of course the extra curricular activities.
When my spanish improves, I'll be able to hit up the major cities and have more fun - cartagena, medellin, barranquilla, etc.
You can't go wrong with Bucaramanga! You'll have a better time there than the major cities. Reason: NO TOURISTS! it's all you player!
Mixx
Mixx
Headed to Lima tonight then onto Cusco with a solid wing man...Doing Macchu Picchu and a few others things while I'm there...Anyone know the popping/upscale spots in Lima these days? Looking for the more upscale places because when I'm in Large Latin American Capitals (Bogota, Quito) I tend to do better at those type of spots. I will be suited down as well both nights in Lima tonight & next Saturday Night before heading home. Looking forward to hearing recommendations and IF you have any Cusco Info lay it out as well.
interesting..
i've done the inca trail thing..while i loved cusco(and people were super nice) i felt peruvian chicas as a whole were below average compared to other latinas...
i've done the inca trail thing..while i loved cusco(and people were super nice) i felt peruvian chicas as a whole were below average compared to other latinas...
There's always an exception to Peruvians only digging white guys. A friend of mine from school has an Indian father and Peruvian mother, who has surprisingly light skin for a Peruvian.
Is there anything good in Lima or Peru for Christmas/New years? I'm flying to Lima at the end of November. I'm trying to decide how much time to spend there.
Would I be better off trying to get to Argentina/Cordoba/Salta for Christmas/New Years?
Would I be better off trying to get to Argentina/Cordoba/Salta for Christmas/New Years?
I'm goin to Lima tomorrow afternoon for a crazy weekend. Will report back soon.
Quote: (06-28-2011 01:40 PM)Tbone Wrote:
I'm black, but I have light skin. I guess that helps because I get lots of interest at dating sites. I have a Colombiana waiting on me when I arrive on Saturday.
She is not Colombia's finest. She is definitely not ugly, closer to avg looking, but she has a nice tight body and offered two major selling points for me....
One, she offered me a place to stay with her and 2 roommates and literally made me promise not to pay for anything. She said she has no interest in my money, only me.
As a test, I offered to pay for her bus ticket to meet me at the Bogota airport. She declined and bought her own ticket.
Two, she has a college friend who is going to give me cheap spanish lessons every day as I don't speak it well at all.
Sorry, got a bit off topic.
This is a great pull. Anytime someone offers you lodging, and wants to take care of you that way, her being cute is good enough. These are the kind of chicks I try to connect with worldwide. I actually have a great Lima connection - she calls me on her own dime, and we do the chat/webcam thing regularly. She's in San Juan de Miraflores, near Chorillos and Surco. She's always laying out plans for what she wants me to see and do.
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