[Santoro]

There was a good thread earlier this week about givers and takers.

She orders food on a drink date and expects you to pay, you know she's a taker. Proceed accordingly.

[The Wire]

(10-04-2014 01:27 PM)jamaicabound Wrote:  

For those who take issue with an appetizer I was just curious what the reasoning is? Is it the cost or is it you want to be one the one running the show and calling the shots or something else? If its cost are you also going to require the girl order a drink thats on special vs what she wants? Reason I ask is that at many places a mixed drink or even worse these girly martinis are going to run more than an appetizer so was just trying to figure out what the opposition to this was.

Because food is a cock block in itself and is getting you away from your objective. Trying to bang a girl on first 'date' that you don't know well can be a tricky thing and requires some logistics to come into play. I can't see any normal scenarios really where a girl ordering a plate of nachos is better than her getting another expensive martini.

Its not a control thing, but im not a fat fuck that needs to eat food past 8pm at night when I already had dinner.

[germanico]

(10-04-2014 10:56 AM)The Wire Wrote:  

I'm kind of curious if other guys run into the food issue or am I playing this out wrong?

Nitpicking the bill, you are doing it very wrong.

If money is an issue, set the date at your house, which serves two purposes:

- You will be amazed at your results asking women straigh out to meet you at your place.

- You screen out the ones that are in it just to score a few free drinks and are actually down to fuck.

[Parlay44]

You gotta feed them something so they have energy to fuck you later. Otherwise they'll end up laying there like a drunken sack of potatoes.

[Gunner]

Maybe I'm used to deal with Latina girls but you guys are cheap. Considering that I prefer relationships than pump and dump and higher quality women I dont mind paying some food and wine, but that's me and you should do what works for you and makes you happy.

[Feo]

BRO, A LOT OF GIRLS GO ON DATES SO THEY DON'T NEED TO BUY GROCERIES

either fund her, or be the guy she invites over after dinner

[Deebos]

This is one where you need to feel out the vibe of the woman early on. If it feels right, go for it, if not don't but whatever you don't come off as a penny pincher or cheapskate. It really comes down to if buying one will interfere or help the bang. You also need to suss out the free-ride chicks who are looking to score free food. My go to is to order a round of waters while we talk about drinks we enjoy, and go from there. Case (s)in point;

A. Met the girl at the venue and ordered two waters for us. Within 5 minutes she has dropped that she dates frequently from online and enjoys the free meals and sometimes kisses the guys afterwards but mostly does not even if they're attractive but will not sleep with any of the guys until they've taken her out numerous times and met her friends and ordered drinks for all of them. She was about 15 pounds heavier than her profile pic, mid 30's. When the waiter arrived, I stood up, thanked her for her honesty, ordered a Guinness for me and said, " The lady can have whatever she wishes but I will not be paying, I'll be at the bar". I walked away from the table and over to the bar. She dressed me down at the bar and I simply told her she wasn't worth the investment she thought she was. The other men and I at the bar had a good laugh after she left.

B. Same venue, girl shows up in a skirt and heels, late 20's. I order a round of waters and we find out Guinness is both of our favored drinks .She compliments me on my clothes and says something along the lines of its nice to meet a gentleman. After about 3 rounds, I lean in and kiss her. She smiles and says Its nice to meet a man who is take charge. She casually mentions that she likes the pita with cheese/artichoke dip. I joke that I knew something was wrong with her but I wave the server over and order it. We leave for my place shortly thereafter. Total spent, maybe $60 with tip. She ended up in my regular rotation and she was genuinely fun to be around.

For me, feeling out the vibe of the woman is most important than any do/do not rule.

[AnonymousBosch]

(10-04-2014 02:06 PM)Parlay44 Wrote:  

You gotta feed them something so they have energy to fuck you later. Otherwise they'll end up laying there like a drunken sack of potatoes.

A girl who drinks alcohol as she shovels in an entire plate of nachos - corn chips, cheese, sour cream and guacamole - is going to be bloated and gassy, which means kisses that taste like reflux and a soundtrack of queefing during the act.

That's assuming you get that far:

- The high fat content of the cheese, sour cream and guacamole will make her tired and sleepy.

- The glycomic composition of the corn chips means her blood sugar will spike quickly, then drop down into a valley lower than her initial state, so she'll already be wanting to eat again.

All of this will happen within an hour of consumption.

You are buying her a plate of something that will sap her energy and attention, which will be distracted by how tired she is, her quest to eat more food to balance her blood sugar, or both.

None of this is going to help your game.

[Akula]

Russian & Ukrainian girls don't usually eat after 8pm or at least the ones I've dated so this generally isn't a problem in Ukraine/Russia!

[polar]

(10-04-2014 03:02 PM)Feo Wrote:  

BRO, A LOT OF GIRLS GO ON DATES SO THEY DON'T NEED TO BUY GROCERIES

either fund her, or be the guy she invites over after dinner

I knew a former 115 lb, 5'5 cute all-American girl. Fast forward three years, she was a 180+ lb bitter fatty living off temp jobs in DC with hopes of becoming a lawyer. She kept her calendar full of dinners with thirsty betas while secretly loathing them (and herself) behind their back.

She once led around this Indian IT consultant chode for six months - going out to dinners at his expense, having him drive her around, and getting him to come out on girls' night to pick up the tab. Every so often, she'd stay the night at his place as his IKEA-decorated pad was closer to her McJob than her rented room somewhere.

Of course, she told him the whole time that she was a traditional girl who wouldn't do more than kiss before the wedding...all while fucking a limo driver from Pakistan on the side. The poor bastard never so much as copped a feel of her D-cup fat tissue.

[monster]

I usually order apps for myself anyway. In fact, I'll pick a place to eat for the date so I can order apps for myself. 50/50 the girl orders apps too.

If I spend $10-12 on an app I don't sweat it. If I'm out with my male friends I spend that much+ on their shit anyway cause most of them are stingy bastards. And I prefer the company of a cute girl anyway so I'm not going to complain about buying her an app.

That being said, whenever I take a girl I'm dating to the mall I end up getting financially raped, so I never take the hos to malls anymore

[Parlay44]

Nobody is talking about full on dinner dates here or supporting a woman financially long term. We're talking a $10 freakin appetizer at a drink date. It's a snack for God sake. If the thought of dropping $10 cramps your lifestyle so much maybe you need a better paying job. If you guys wanna bang beautiful feminine women you have to drop some cash once in a while.

Dinner dates are for girlfriends and LTRs(girls giving up the pussy on the regular) not first dates. Just buy the freakin nachos and escalate as usual. Sheesh.

[monster]

(10-04-2014 04:06 PM)polar Wrote:  

She once led around this Indian IT consultant chode for six months - going out to dinners at his expense, having him drive her around, and getting him to come out on girls' night to pick up the tab. Every so often, she'd stay the night at his place as his IKEA-decorated pad was closer to her McJob than her rented room somewhere.

Yes, but that's that chode who put himself in that position. No one here is a chode. If we want to buy a girl something we do so because we set the frame and want to not because she's stringing us along, playing with our hopes to get laid.

I just think that if you sweat over a $10-15 app for someone that's something you should address in terms of your financial security and comfort. There's nothing worse than hanging out with a 'friend' and you suggest to do something - go to a concert, get a drink - and they're like "I would, man, but I just don't want to spend that $15 because I'm really trying to save my money right now. I rather just play video games on the couch here." pfft.

[Tuthmosis]

I had no idea what percentage of dudes were feeding chicks they aren't banging yet. It's no wonder girls don't thank me half the time when I buy them drinks. I didn't give them the all the free stuff you guys are giving them. They must feel ripped off that I "only" bought them cocktails.

It's hard to imagine, but if seasoned players--with serious skills--are dropping $50 or more on a first date, imagine what straight simps and betas are dropping. If regular 6s and 7s get loads of free shit (and they do), the 8s and 9s must literally never spend their own money.

I'll leave this here for all you players feeding these hoes.

[kmhour]

I don't do food on a first date as a rule. Make a point to stop off before and get enough cash to cover drinks rather than paying by credit card. Order the first round, make sure you smile and say "first round's on me" and toss a $20 on the bar when the drinks arrive so the bartender doesn't even have to ask about opening a tab. This typically makes more clear the expectation that she gets the second round, and not having a tab avoids that awkward moment closing out the tab where 25 years of you-go-girl independent woman conditioning runs up against her princess syndrome.

To be clear, I don't push the point and come off cheap - if her purse does a disappearing act for the second round it's simply a data point on how worthwhile she is for the long term and I'm more likely to file her as a short term prospect. Of course you have to calibrate for your respective life situations, foreign girls, whatever. As I've dated younger girls I'm more open to picking up the first several rounds without it being as much of a red flag. Needless to say a 22 year old fresh out of college offering to pick up the second round cheerfully is a big positive sign.

Obviously the way you set up dates will play into it. I schedule any first date at 8pm or later and make sure to invite the girl out to a bar "for drinks" and eat beforehand. If she even raises the topic (I've had it happen once that I can remember in recent memory) I've already eaten. It's a first date, you're trying to get a feel for the girl and her suitability, not spend the entire night listening to her life story over an eight course meal. And as others have said - if you're interested in a same night hookup, bar food is the last thing you want to eat. Indigestion and or bad breath from greasy appetizers? Come on.

[Parlay44]

$50 isn't shit anymore Tuth. It doesn't even fill my gas tank.

[ball dont lie]

On a first meeting from internet girls? I prefer meeting in a park and buying ice cream. Summer is finished now, damn, but I would set up one girl for 10am, go home and make lunch if things didnt work out and meet another girl at 2pm. Ice cream is on me good looking. Its max 50 cents here in China.

20-30 dollars? Per girl. Just to talk? What happened to Day Game?

[The Wire]

(10-04-2014 02:24 PM)Gunner Wrote:  

Maybe I'm used to deal with Latina girls but you guys are cheap. Considering that I prefer relationships than pump and dump and higher quality women I dont mind paying some food and wine, but that's me and you should do what works for you and makes you happy.

(10-04-2014 02:03 PM)germanico Wrote:  

(10-04-2014 10:56 AM)The Wire Wrote:  

I'm kind of curious if other guys run into the food issue or am I playing this out wrong?

Nitpicking the bill, you are doing it very wrong.

Jesus christ.....how are some of you guys misreading this thread? It's not a fucking money issue. The issue is i'm asking them out for drinks not dinner. These are not women I am dating. They are women I am going out for the first time with so I don't care to eat food with them, I want to have a few drinks and socialize with them. If we are not clicking I want eject after a drink or two max. There is a limited amount of time on a weekday night so I'm trying to logistically work it and food is not conducive to sex. This is like Paul Janka 101 material from 2005.

By all means if you want to wine and dine women you just met like 99% of guys go ahead. If you think you're getting any bonus points with that I guarantee you are wrong. I don't care if you do that but don't give me on here shit for being 'cheap' because I don't want to sit there and have some girl continue to offer me food even though I already ate. It's almost like a litmus test to see how fat these girls are going to get if I actually got hitched to them. If they have no problem with insisting on food during a drinks date then they'll be shoveling in god knows what if you date them.

[Parlay44]

Whatever happened to "Lifestyle Game" preached by Hooligan Harry and G Manifesto? You go to certain bars and clubs because that's where you know people. You get treated better because you're a regular and you spend money. You just pay for the drinks because that's how you roll and women want to be a part of your lifestyle.

If Hooligan Harry or G were here they'd scoff at this thread. You guys are acting like a bunch of minimum wage frat boys. Hell not even that. Even frat boys understand lifestyle game. Women can't wait to get in frat parties.

I don't even know what to say about this thread anymore.

[Feo]

(10-04-2014 05:25 PM)Parlay44 Wrote:  

Whatever happened to "Lifestyle Game" preached by Hooligan Harry and G Manifesto? You go to certain bars and clubs because that's where you know people. You get treated better because you're a regular and you spend money. You just pay for the drinks because that's how you roll and women want to be a part of your lifestyle.

If Hooligan Harry or G were here they'd scoff at this thread. You guys are acting like a bunch of minimum wage frat boys. Hell not even that. Even frat boys understand lifestyle game. Women can't wait to get in frat parties.

I don't even know what to say about this thread anymore.

In the past two days I've spent at least $150 on just friends at happy hour etc. Explain to me why I would do that for two or three random girls per week who I don't give a shit about.

[The Wire]

(10-04-2014 05:25 PM)Parlay44 Wrote:  

Whatever happened to "Lifestyle Game" preached by Hooligan Harry and G Manifesto? You go to certain bars and clubs because that's where you know people. You get treated better because you're a regular and you spend money. You just pay for the drinks because that's how you roll and women want to be a part of your lifestyle.

I can't tell if you're trolling or just really thick....

[Parlay44]

(10-04-2014 05:41 PM)Feo Wrote:  

(10-04-2014 05:25 PM)Parlay44 Wrote:  

Whatever happened to "Lifestyle Game" preached by Hooligan Harry and G Manifesto? You go to certain bars and clubs because that's where you know people. You get treated better because you're a regular and you spend money. You just pay for the drinks because that's how you roll and women want to be a part of your lifestyle.

If Hooligan Harry or G were here they'd scoff at this thread. You guys are acting like a bunch of minimum wage frat boys. Hell not even that. Even frat boys understand lifestyle game. Women can't wait to get in frat parties.

I don't even know what to say about this thread anymore.

In the past two days I've spent at least $150 on just friends at happy hour etc. Explain to me why I would do that for two or three random girls per week who I don't give a shit about.

Why are you spending money on friends? Female friends? How does that help get you laid? You take a girl out ...you pay. She gets a free taste of your lifestyle. If she wants to play along she gives up the ass and she gets to stay at the party a little longer. You guys wanna date hot women and spend zero coin. It's unrealistic.

[Cattle Rustler]

Man, who knew people would be cheap. We should now run numbers on excel on our:
Cost per Establishment, Cost per Time, Cost per move (first base, etc), and Cost per kino.

What happened to having a good time first most and gaming coming second?

Use appetizers to your advantage, as an excuse to drink more or make a conversation about food. OP has claimed that food has cockblocked him in the past and no appetizers helped him. On the "she wanted dinner, I told her appetizers" you have a point as you told her drinks. In the second instance, suggest a smaller appetizer as you already had dinner. What can one do with just drinks in front of them? It's like having cereal in a bowl without milk.

My experience is the opposite. Had two dates this week, appetizers over drinks on both instances. The total was no more than $70 for both dates and they're now part of my rotation. The best part? I had a good/fun time enjoying the weather and drinks! The bitches came second!

If one can't afford an extra $7-10 bucks, one needs to stop gaming and start stacking cash. Stuff like that makes one look like a penny pincher who doesn't have his stuff together. Do shit you enjoy, make them part of your circle; not the other way around. Better yet, I hope people can afford a train/uber ride home. It's cheaper than a DUI.

Eating appetizers = feeding/dinner? Next thing we know, people will claim fingering can be claimed as a notch. Just be fun and create a good vibe. Screening them through texting works pretty good.

Dressing well and having a nice car doesn't mean anything, any 30K millionaire can drive a BMW.

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A 30k millionaire is a person, usually a guy, who makes around 30k a year, usually from working at a window tinting shop, loan officee. With his pitiful a income, he spends it all on bottles of champagne at clubs, a boat,a nice car, and sometimes a 3-day trip to Vegas, only to be left with nothing in his account by overdraft fees and possibly a pending loan. He lives with 4 other roommates in a 2 bedroom loft in the trendy part of town.

Wanted: Blonde white girl in shape, must be feminine, loyal, and stylish. Also, she must be okay with a man taking her to McDonalds and eating off the value meal.

[AnonymousBosch]

(10-04-2014 04:31 PM)Tuthmosis Wrote:  

It's hard to imagine, but if seasoned players--with serious skills--are dropping $50 or more on a first date, imagine what straight simps and betas are dropping. If regular 6s and 7s get loads of free shit (and they do), the 8s and 9s must literally never spend their own money.

I roomed with 2 girls back in the 90's who would go out every weekend with just enough cab fare to the club. They didn't have to pay to get in, for what they ate and drank, or to get home, even in a walk of shame situation. It was just assumed guys would provide, and they always did.

They were 6.5's at best back then, and the thirst in men seems much stronger today.

[Parlay44]

I wouldn't buy random girls at the bar drinks or food. That gets you nowhere. A drink date is a girl you met previously, chatted a few times over phone or text and agreed to meet for drinks.

If you happen to be at a bar dolo and get introduced to a girl through a social circle it's different. You do 5-10 minutes of small talk and if you're diggin her you pull her to the other side of the bar for a drink or offer a smoke outside to talk a little more. It's an entirely different hustle.