[oldnemesis]

(04-02-2011 02:27 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

There's two...
Regular cost per notch: http://www.rooshv.com/cost-per-notch
Includes just dating expenses

"Real" cost per notch: http://www.rooshv.com/true-cost-per-notch
Includes all your expenses

I'd say they both are misleading. The "regular" cost per notch does not account for a lot of things you do solely to be more successful in the game or to bang a chick. The "true" cost per notch accounts for a lot of things which are completely irrelevant (for example, you need food and place to live anyway, even if you're not banging chicks).

What would a true cost per notch would be, in my opinion, is something like that:

Direct costs, which should only be accounted if your main purpose of going out was to pick up girls. Those costs include:

- Money spent on you when you go out. This includes transportation, drinks, food, entertainment, tips, hotels, and so on.

- Money spent on girls you're trying to sleep with. Same as above.

- Time spent when you go out. This is more difficult to account, as not everyone has a part-time job which pays hourly and covers as many hours as you could put in (in this case it is easy). However everyone should get at least a basic idea how much their "work" time would cost. Unlike other costs, where you have a lot of control, this one can ramp up very quickly. Personally for me this item alone makes standard American bar gaming cost prohibitive, as just three hours alone would make a cost of hooker.

- Maintenance expenses. For example, if you maintain a separate phone line for girls, it should be added as well. Your order of "Bang" is also direct expense.

Then we have indirect costs, which may be everywhere, and therefore are harder to spot. Again, only the part which is related to the game should be accounted. For example, generally your rent should not be accounted. However if you rent a better place than you would normally do because you consider it would help you bedding more girls, you should add the difference between the regular rent and what you're paying. If you normally getting a haircut once a month, but you changed to every two weeks solely for better pickup, this extra haircut is also your cost.

Once you account all direct and indirect expenses, I'd think for vast majority of Americans their true cost per notch would be very high. And the more money you make, the higher is your cost.

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If I also include cost per bang, since some girls I have repeated sex with, game offers considerable cost savings over escorts.

True, but note that in your case you're fucking the same girl, and every repeated sex has significantly less "value" comparing to banging a new chick. So this is not really apples vs apples comparison.

[Moma]

(04-04-2011 01:11 AM)oldnemesis Wrote:  

(04-02-2011 02:27 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

There's two...
Regular cost per notch: http://www.rooshv.com/cost-per-notch
Includes just dating expenses

"Real" cost per notch: http://www.rooshv.com/true-cost-per-notch
Includes all your expenses

I'd say they both are misleading. The "regular" cost per notch does not account for a lot of things you do solely to be more successful in the game or to bang a chick. The "true" cost per notch accounts for a lot of things which are completely irrelevant (for example, you need food and place to live anyway, even if you're not banging chicks).

What would a true cost per notch would be, in my opinion, is something like that:

Direct costs, which should only be accounted if your main purpose of going out was to pick up girls. Those costs include:

- Money spent on you when you go out. This includes transportation, drinks, food, entertainment, tips, hotels, and so on.

- Money spent on girls you're trying to sleep with. Same as above.

- Time spent when you go out. This is more difficult to account, as not everyone has a part-time job which pays hourly and covers as many hours as you could put in (in this case it is easy). However everyone should get at least a basic idea how much their "work" time would cost. Unlike other costs, where you have a lot of control, this one can ramp up very quickly. Personally for me this item alone makes standard American bar gaming cost prohibitive, as just three hours alone would make a cost of hooker.

- Maintenance expenses. For example, if you maintain a separate phone line for girls, it should be added as well. Your order of "Bang" is also direct expense.

Then we have indirect costs, which may be everywhere, and therefore are harder to spot. Again, only the part which is related to the game should be accounted. For example, generally your rent should not be accounted. However if you rent a better place than you would normally do because you consider it would help you bedding more girls, you should add the difference between the regular rent and what you're paying. If you normally getting a haircut once a month, but you changed to every two weeks solely for better pickup, this extra haircut is also your cost.

Once you account all direct and indirect expenses, I'd think for vast majority of Americans their true cost per notch would be very high. And the more money you make, the higher is your cost.

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If I also include cost per bang, since some girls I have repeated sex with, game offers considerable cost savings over escorts.

True, but note that in your case you're fucking the same girl, and every repeated sex has significantly less "value" comparing to banging a new chick. So this is not really apples vs apples comparison.

By banging a hooker or leveraging off of money to bang girls, one loses that ability to seduce women from different backgrounds.

Also there is something very cold and meaningless regarding paying a woman to have sex with you. I'm not saying that one should avoid that because in some way or fashion, we ALL do it. However, one should not use that as a crutch to have sex.

A man with good game knows how to set off the appropriate emotional triggers to get a woman to have sex with him.
Emotions are universal and are independent of culture.

Some cultures however do not value money in the same way and some boob flashing his fat wad of money will not get him the same quality of women than a man with top game.

[Moma]

(03-31-2011 08:51 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  

All strippers are hookers pretty much! Friday and Saturday is the worst time to go! Go there after the weekend warriors have been played ! Early in the week is best..THEY ALL KNOW HOW TO FCUK WITHOUT LEAVING THE CLUB!!! If you want an after hang you most likely have to play the drug game because they have many options after work and waffle house may not be the first choice! I hate strippers but sometimes i just have to go and play with them..I go in Kinda preppy and mind my own...for a while, and then when they try to talk you into a dance, I put their hand near my front pocket,thats got three condoms in it, and say im not here to leave with a fuckin hard on! Im a single dad and this is my only night I can go out this week! Once she understands where youre at and shes pulling you into the back room make sure she understands that she not getting shit from you unless that condom becomes garbage!!If that doesnt work sit back down and try again on the next one!

Where do you live? And do you pay them to fcuk? If so, how much?

[thegmanifesto]

(04-04-2011 09:48 AM)Moma Wrote:  

(03-31-2011 08:51 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  

All strippers are hookers pretty much! Friday and Saturday is the worst time to go! Go there after the weekend warriors have been played ! Early in the week is best..THEY ALL KNOW HOW TO FCUK WITHOUT LEAVING THE CLUB!!! If you want an after hang you most likely have to play the drug game because they have many options after work and waffle house may not be the first choice! I hate strippers but sometimes i just have to go and play with them..I go in Kinda preppy and mind my own...for a while, and then when they try to talk you into a dance, I put their hand near my front pocket,thats got three condoms in it, and say im not here to leave with a fuckin hard on! Im a single dad and this is my only night I can go out this week! Once she understands where youre at and shes pulling you into the back room make sure she understands that she not getting shit from you unless that condom becomes garbage!!If that doesnt work sit back down and try again on the next one!

Where do you live? And do you pay them to fcuk? If so, how much?

"THEY ALL KNOW HOW TO FCUK WITHOUT LEAVING THE CLUB!!!"

I don't doubt that this happens, only that it is very rare in places I go to.

Which clubs in which states are you going to?

Name names.

[oldnemesis]

(04-04-2011 09:33 AM)Moma Wrote:  

By banging a hooker or leveraging off of money to bang girls, one loses that ability to seduce women from different backgrounds.

Explain "different backgrounds". I'm pretty sure there are white, black, Latino and Asian hookers. There are 18yo and there are 50yo. There are Russians and Japanese. There are crack whores who'd blow you for $20, and there are elite hookers who charge $5K per hour (like one hired by Elliot Spitzer). Then if you stretch the boundaries a little and consider the "looking for a sugar daddy" crowd, you'll get even more diversity there.

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Also there is something very cold and meaningless regarding paying a woman to have sex with you. I'm not saying that one should avoid that because in some way or fashion, we ALL do it. However, one should not use that as a crutch to have sex.

If you think about the game, there is not too much difference. The game itself is not about falling in love - it is a cold, calculating approach which you follow to get laid. It is based on set of rules which are to be followed, starting from "I need a female opinion of something" or something like that. You control what you say, how you say it, and what you do. For example, you might want to lay back and talk about video games all evening in that bar you like. Instead you talk slowly, cover the topics which trigger emotional response, process with physical escalation, and then prepare to change the venue into a different bar. If this is not cold, calculated approach, then I don't know what it is.

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A man with good game knows how to set off the appropriate emotional triggers to get a woman to have sex with him.

This is not necessary to have sex. I would speculate that an average Eastern European dude has significantly more sex than an average American dude while having, by American standards, zero game. At least when I lived there I haven't met a single dude who'd be sex starved. Even the homeless drunks got laid there.

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Some cultures however do not value money in the same way and some boob flashing his fat wad of money will not get him the same quality of women than a man with top game.

In most cultures I know she may fuck a man with top game, but date/marry a fat wad of money.