[ModernRUBIROSA]

Fellas,

So I went to Vegas, last month (Presidents Day Weekend 2011) and just returned yesterday from another weekend getaway there. Both times went to Spearmint Rhino on the Friday night/Saturday morn that I got there. Both times, it seemed like I hooked both dancers with your typical protocol strip club moves. (have them sit next to you, rapport, pitch, etc.). Both times I only spent money on drinks and both times go their real names and real phone numbers and both times they told me to call them an hour and a half later or two hours later (4am and 6am) so they can meet up with me at my hotel bar (Palazzo and Wynn)...Heres the kicker, both times I call and both times no pickup to join me...Any feedback on to why? Was it because I did not spend $$ which caused them to have to go dance some more? Should I have called again?

[K-man]

The G Manifesto should be able to give good advice on strippers.
I don't really get the whole stripper thing - why would guys put such effort into banging, what is basically, some whore? Isn't it easier just to pay her the $100-200 or whatever her going rate is?
If you add up what you'd spend to try bang a stripper: cab to the strip club and back, cover, drinks, lap dance, tips, then meetup at you bar and more drinks and tips there, doesn't that all add up to more than if you just paid the lady? And you need to invest several hours - how much is your time worth? And how much is worth the frustration of flakes and wasted effort, like the above?
Personally, when I go out to sarge, I want normal girls in normal clubs and bars. And if I want a whore, I just pay a whore.

[thegmanifesto]

ModernRUBIROSA -

0-2 is par for the course.

Exotic Dancers are a flaky bunch.

You needed bigger volume of leads to overcome this.

Read what I have written over the years on Exotic Dancers.

Literally every single answer to every single question about Exotic Dancers is contained in the text.

And then some.

[Moma]

There is a huge fascination with the strip culture in North America in my experience.

When I was in Europe, we didn't even contemplate strip hos. They were perceived as some strung up cracked out harpies and to bang one would be to immediately write oneself off as a certified G.

Now in NA, the tables have changed. I saw an HBO special where this guy in Atlanta (after paying one) was eating her out in the backroom and then eventually, he got his dyck inside her and was taxing her with strokes.

Even myself, having initially reluctantly frequented some with a friend who schooled in Oakland, I found that the clubs were quite delectable and some of the strip hos were indeed 'normal' women (not seemingly strung out on drugs).

But I agree, fcuking a stripper is EXACTLY the same as fcuking a ho. Same morals involved. Most of them fcuk for tips anyway.

Sheet, if a strip ho rubs up and down on many men's dycks through the trousers all night, it makes no difference if she sexes him for real. Dry fcuking, real fcuking, what's the real difference...

[thegmanifesto]

Moma -

Have you been to the Spearmint Rhino?

[Brian]

i've been to Spearmint Rhino before - was w/some work 'associates' at a conference and the high roller rented a limo and took us there. he paid 300 each for us to go into the back room w/a stripper, which was the biggest waste of an hour i've ever had. after about 1/2 hour her grinding on me i got so bored i tried starting a conversation. one guy (who was about 60) got one of the girls to come back w/us where she basically did leeched drugs and money off the people there. more hassle then it was worth.

[Moma]

(03-29-2011 01:13 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

Moma -

Have you been to the Spearmint Rhino?

No, I've never been there and I've never heard of that spot either.
Strip joints don't really rub me that way, fam. Either we fcuking or we not.
I've got ADD when it comes to tolerating reptilian bullshyt.

Fcuk a tease game.
I eat when I'm hungry and I stop when I'm full.

Any place I've been to or any woman where there is an obvious monetary transaction, I lose all interest and all zeal for the place is drained from my frame.

[thegmanifesto]

Brian - Yeah, I remember you mentioned that night on here before. My advice I gave then still applies if you find yourself in that situation again.

But that should be an avoided situation in Gentleman's Clubs in general.

Moma-

"No, I've never been there and I've never heard of that spot either. "

I guessed that from your response earlier.

If you do go one day, I am sure you will have a change of heart.

----

Gentleman's Clubs are really no different from regular clubs, only the girls are half naked and can hang upside down from a pole.

And if you are in the right ones, 95% of the girls are fly.

Proceed accordingly.

[Badstuber]

Quote:

I don't really get the whole stripper thing - why would guys put such effort into banging, what is basically, some whore?

The girl you are trying to pickup at the mall is also 'some whore.'

[thegmanifesto]

'I don't really get the whole stripper thing - why would guys put such effort into banging, what is basically, some whore?'

Its all relative.

Spending some effort to swoop a really fly girl that can do backflips naked? Seems like a good use of time.

Its not like swoooping some really beautiful virgin from a super wealthy family is super easy.

Right?

If that were the case, I would agree with you 100%.

[Duke Castile]

That's the move they do to hook you. They make you think you're different and they get the option all in one go. S.R. is filled with girls who are Vets. I've pulled girls out of there before but also had the "here's my number" call me thing. I'm betting you actually did buy a lap dance after you got her number haha

[thegmanifesto]

Fisto -

"I'm betting you actually did buy a lap dance after you got her number haha"

If he did, then the whole hustle was blown right there.

2 numbers is just not a large enough sample pool to really draw any conclusions.

Anything could have happened: Some guy offered her 20k to come over to his hotel, she could have eaten a bad E-Tab, she could have gotten in a car wreck, she could have been hustling you, she could have given you a fake number, she could have met up with her boyfriend, Sinatra could have come back from the dead and swooped her.

You just don't know.

If this happens to you 20 straight times, then we can diagnose the issue better.

The only real thing that the guy did wrong from what he wrote above is only got 2 leads cooking.

Swooping Exotics is like walking on a razor's edge. But if you master it, the payoff can be pretty solid.

[oldnemesis]

(03-29-2011 02:20 AM)K-man Wrote:  

I don't really get the whole stripper thing - why would guys put such effort into banging, what is basically, some whore? Isn't it easier just to pay her the $100-200 or whatever her going rate is?

K-man, this is part of what I call "Western man weaknesses" - a lot of them cannot accept the fact they'd be paying for sex, but apparently still want to fuck whores. So they play it around by spending typically much more money on a girl to let her pretend she slept with him because she liked him, not because he spent all those money. I've seen a lot of it in Thailand.

We, Europeans, typically don't have any such issues, and that's why it looks weird for us.

[wolf]

(03-29-2011 06:39 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

Fisto -

"I'm betting you actually did buy a lap dance after you got her number haha"

If he did, then the whole hustle was blown right there.

2 numbers is just not a large enough sample pool to really draw any conclusions.

Anything could have happened: Some guy offered her 20k to come over to his hotel, she could have eaten a bad E-Tab, she could have gotten in a car wreck, she could have been hustling you, she could have given you a fake number, she could have met up with her boyfriend, Sinatra could have come back from the dead and swooped her.

You just don't know.

If this happens to you 20 straight times, then we can diagnose the issue better.

The only real thing that the guy did wrong from what he wrote above is only got 2 leads cooking.

Swooping Exotics is like walking on a razor's edge. But if you master it, the payoff can be pretty solid.

some good info.

[ModernRUBIROSA]

thegmanifesto - Thanks for the insight...More prospecting and lead generation next time..

fisto- No, no dance, my protocol was: straight approach or get approached, go to the bar, break out of customer zone, let her know I knew what was up, pitch the whole "when do you get off? lets grab some grub after and chill and decompress"

Reason why I got heavy into strip club game is to make get my verbals on point...One of my homies who's game is airtight says he got his verbal judo on point by making it a point to go to a strip club once a week after a bout at a club or lounge and trying to flip the switch on the dancers. I truly believe in game, with the right sub-comm and supreme verbals, all you can do is win...And the beauty of the gentlemen's club= hustle or be hustled, play or be played, kill or be killed - Which in the end, your skillset gets refined.

Sidenote: The Cosmopolitan is currently supreme in Vegas.

[Duke Castile]

Cosmopolitan is great. I'm not crazy about Marquee though. Good work on not falling for the dance. At any rate, I don't think it was something you were doing wrong. As Gman pointed out, there's a million things that could've happened, including the girls might have just decided to go home at 5am instead of going out.

Also, in my experience with strippers, the juice is rarely worth the squeeze.

[Brian]

(03-29-2011 07:29 PM)oldnemesis Wrote:  

(03-29-2011 02:20 AM)K-man Wrote:  

I don't really get the whole stripper thing - why would guys put such effort into banging, what is basically, some whore? Isn't it easier just to pay her the $100-200 or whatever her going rate is?

K-man, this is part of what I call "Western man weaknesses" - a lot of them cannot accept the fact they'd be paying for sex, but apparently still want to fuck whores. So they play it around by spending typically much more money on a girl to let her pretend she slept with him because she liked him, not because he spent all those money. I've seen a lot of it in Thailand.

We, Europeans, typically don't have any such issues, and that's why it looks weird for us.

I thought the exact same thing, although the saying "western man weakness" is new to me. Americans would rather spend $500 to maybe bang a stripper (who is probably dirtier then most decent hookers) then drop $300 on the sure thing.

[Moma]

(03-29-2011 10:11 PM)ModernRUBIROSA Wrote:  

Reason why I got heavy into strip club game is to make get my verbals on point...One of my homies who's game is airtight says he got his verbal judo on point by making it a point to go to a strip club once a week after a bout at a club or lounge and trying to flip the switch on the dancers. I truly believe in game, with the right sub-comm and supreme verbals, all you can do is win...And the beauty of the gentlemen's club= hustle or be hustled, play or be played, kill or be killed - Which in the end, your skillset gets refined.

That's a very good point. A strip ho's job is to get fools to trick off their money on them. If you can actually run a woman that is well versed in the game, then a regular citizen will be a cakewalk.

Again, the friend of mine who introduced me to the North American strip culture was a master at pulling strip ho's. Everytime we ended up there, this guy would seemingly pull one back to his place.

However, my radar suspects maybe he was breaking them off a little something for their troubles...?

I'd like to believe it was sheer game, his pitch seemed smooth from whatever snippets I heard while in the strip club...

[oldnemesis]

(03-30-2011 11:09 AM)Brian Wrote:  

I thought the exact same thing, although the saying "western man weakness" is new to me.

I invented the term after hearing the stories from guys who routinely spent over 10,000B on a girl (instead of just giving her 2000) just to get an illusion they're not paying for sex.

[Roosh]

One of the reasons I came up with Cost Per Notch is to make sure I wasn't "overpaying" for regular sex instead of escorts.

[oldnemesis]

(03-30-2011 08:19 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

One of the reasons I came up with Cost Per Notch is to make sure I wasn't "overpaying" for regular sex instead of escorts.

Does it account for time spent as well? Even on a deep discount rate, something like $20/hr? Or you only account real money spent?

[Duke Castile]

(03-30-2011 08:19 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

One of the reasons I came up with Cost Per Notch is to make sure I wasn't "overpaying" for regular sex instead of escorts.

Do you factor in implicit and explicit costs?

[el mechanico]

All strippers are hookers pretty much! Friday and Saturday is the worst time to go! Go there after the weekend warriors have been played ! Early in the week is best..THEY ALL KNOW HOW TO FCUK WITHOUT LEAVING THE CLUB!!! If you want an after hang you most likely have to play the drug game because they have many options after work and waffle house may not be the first choice! I hate strippers but sometimes i just have to go and play with them..I go in Kinda preppy and mind my own...for a while, and then when they try to talk you into a dance, I put their hand near my front pocket,thats got three condoms in it, and say im not here to leave with a fuckin hard on! Im a single dad and this is my only night I can go out this week! Once she understands where youre at and shes pulling you into the back room make sure she understands that she not getting shit from you unless that condom becomes garbage!!If that doesnt work sit back down and try again on the next one!

[Roosh]

(03-31-2011 07:56 PM)Fisto Wrote:  

(03-30-2011 08:19 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

One of the reasons I came up with Cost Per Notch is to make sure I wasn't "overpaying" for regular sex instead of escorts.

Do you factor in implicit and explicit costs?

There's two...

Regular cost per notch: http://www.rooshv.com/cost-per-notch
Includes just dating expenses

"Real" cost per notch: http://www.rooshv.com/true-cost-per-notch
Includes all your expenses

If I also include cost per bang, since some girls I have repeated sex with, game offers considerable cost savings over escorts. This should be true for guys who are at least at the intermediate level.

[K-man]

(03-29-2011 05:13 PM)Badstuber Wrote:  

Quote:

I don't really get the whole stripper thing - why would guys put such effort into banging, what is basically, some whore?

The girl you are trying to pickup at the mall is also 'some whore.'

I meant a girl who earns money with her pussy.
Most normal girls earn their money some other way, and use their pussy to get attention, entertainment, gifts, etc. So if you want to provide that in exchange for getting laid, go after the "normal" girls. And if you want to just pay (easier), go for the whores.