[Moma]

(09-19-2014 04:52 AM)BadWolf Wrote:  

I bet Woody is a lot happier than Matt in his relationship. I wouldn't classify 'the best girl' as being some ho who has a pretty face. I think a lot of you have never lived with a girl before.. All that pretty face sh1t goes right out the window when you start dealing with the pretty face problems.

BadWolf is absolutely right. There often seems to be an inverse relationship between looks and personality ESPECIALLY in the West. Some really good looking lizards seem to think that's all they need and can be vapid and dull and you just want to toss them to the side after cumming.

I lived in Miami and the amount of stunning lizards was the highest I've seen per capita (if you consider that they are all in the gym and in the hospital tweaking all their natural genetics to look as sexy and pretty as possible). Irrespective of that, the final results were stunning but living with 96 percent of these hos would have done my head in.

Let's not confuse those we would fcuk and those we would enter a relationship with. A relationship is MORE than fcuking. A lot of the time, it seems guys claim they would holster lizards just for bro value. To me, a stunning lizard who is a 9/10 that has a personality I can mesh with would absolutely work in a relationship for me. But if I had to take a 6 that has the personality I can work with, I would ALWAYS for for that. I say a 6 because I've met lizards who are 5's who have great personalities but fail to pass the boner test in a satisfactory fashion which automatically relegates them to platonic relationship for me.

[Byron]

(09-18-2014 09:39 PM)Moma Wrote:  

(09-18-2014 09:33 PM)Byron Wrote:  

(09-18-2014 08:00 PM)Nomad77 Wrote:  

Drop your expectations and take the girls you can get and then work you way up. That's how we all did it. It's just like learning anything else.

Could you define "work your way up."

As you learn game and realise lizards are the same, you can aim for better looking reptiles. You know what to say to them and you will gain that abundance mentality because you know it's not impossible. You are operating at max ROI and as long as you respect the numbers game, the odds WILL fall in your favour. You just got to make enough runs.

Gotcha, thanks. More reference experience = poon town

(09-18-2014 09:42 PM)Nomad77 Wrote:  

If you can get a 6 now you take her. Then try for a 7, then an 8, and so on... It's just like lifting weights. You don't go and try to lift really heavy weights right away. You have to allow your muscles to build up so you can lift heavier weights. It's the same way with women. Each level will gives you greater confidence and experience which in turn will help you to get better women.

Be right back, bench pressing HB11's

[polar]

Krauser Wrote:

For beginners, game = a front. For intermediate = a value add. For advanced = a value delivery system.
https://mobile.twitter.com/Krauserpua/st...8401447936

Game = distilled sales technique. It's a way to convey your value. This can be applied to one's professional and personal lives alike.

Some of us already kill it in life but don't know how to display it. These are the guys that get overnight results from game - think Neil Strauss in The Game - sure, he went from from zero to hero, but he was already an established journalist and brought value to the table. This is where the "game is a magic bullet, only game matters" fallacy comes from.

Some are able to sell ourselves but hit a peak because their game has outpaced their value. They have more work ahead, they need to bring their value up and their game results will improve with it.

Some guys have neither value nor game. They have a long road ahead. They lack reference experiences of success and either have low self esteem or an oversized ego (a bigger problem). They have to work on the whole package - building up their value at the same time as learning to talk about themselves in a positive light.

Most guys start in the "more value than game" bucket and then land in the "more game than value" bucket. Those who start in the "neither" bucket can go either way depending on what they work on more. To become an apex alpha you need to keep adding to your weaknesses.

Guys need to figure out which bucket they are in, then behave accordingly.

[Travesty]

I know everyone wants 8s and 9s, but banging mostly young 7s with the occasional 8 for a decent player is a pretty good life.

As in a better sex life than probably 98 out of 100 men on the planet maybe better...

If 8s and 9s is really a big deal after you have good game....

- be a cocaine dealer in an upper class scene
- be a bartender/table host at a high status club
- be a producer or casting director for actresses and models

Those are the 3 status gains that are pretty easily attainable for any average guy.

[Dantes]

[quote='WestIndianArchie' pid='833469' dateline='1411083790']
Plenty of 10's date losers.

They date drug users, drug dealers, gang members, starving artists, guys who could lose a few pounds, guys who could put on some weight, middle management guys, IT guys, mechanics, busboys, waiters and bartenders, et cetera.

In many circumstances, drug dealers, gang members and bartenders have status that some girls find appealing.

[pitt]

(09-18-2014 07:54 PM)Gosh900 Wrote:  

I too believe that social proof (that is, having lots of beautiful female friends) is really important.
Likewise, having a very active social life, a vast social circle and a good physique are features that a guy should have if he wants to score with the best girls.

Money are just useless, at least for girls that are less than 30yo. I don't know why lots of people maintain that girls are attracted to money and that if you have money you can score with the all the girls you want. It's not like that, at all.
18/19 years old girls don't give a fuck about money or they care very little.

I'm kind of lucky in the money department, my father is a CEO and my family is well above par in terms of finances but I didn't get any edge for that.

I spent my first 18 years in a midsize city in Central Italy where girls were after "bully guys".
Then I moved to Milan to attend a top tier private college, and, even though I performed better I didn't get the results I wanted.
During my first year as a freshman and in the year after that I went out with some of my college peers and we spent an astounding amount of money in bottle services at the most exclusive clubs, clothes, casinos in Switzerland (we used to go there because there are lots of beautiful girls inside), trips around Europe/USA and private parties but I didn't score with the girls I wanted.

I have to say that aesthetically I wasn't beyond par, quite the opposite actually. I had an underbite (so I had braces) and since I suffered bad acne during my teen years I had some acne scars (I still have some but after lots of laser treatments they are almost gone).
Furthermore, my body was below par. I was too lazy to go to the gym and I was very skinny because I (along with my friends and many others) took massive doses of stimulants such as Adderall, Vyvanse, Ritalin ecc to enhance our GPA. It worked but as a side effect, when I was on it I didn't have the urge to eat so I lost lots of weight.

The skinny looks, along with my underbite and some acne scars screwed me over!

Now I look better but still I can't score with the girls I like.

As much as the pua community think that money won't make a difference, money actually makes a big difference. Your dad being a CEO doesn't mean anything, is he making 5 million dollars minimum per year? Were you driving expensive cars when you were at private school? Going to Bahamas for a weekend? Flying first class all the time? Expensive hotels? (side note: The first time I flew first class, this air hostess started hitting on me, she was hot for forum standards but she didn't have that ass that I liked so I passed it).

I knew this kid whose parents were rich and even though he had the looks to back it up (he was actually a short guy but women liked him in general), this guy had pussy easier than any other guy that I have ever met. The game is all different when you are driving ferraris at a very young age and everybody knows that you are rich and your parents have strong political connections and you grow up with other rich dudes that were about that playboy life. Who doesn't want to be your friend? What women doesn't want to get to know you?

But you need to be an outgoing person too. Having lots of money and being a shy dude won't take you very far. Give a lot of money to dudes who are already doing well with women and you will see how their success becomes even higher.

Hooligan Harry has lots of posts about money being important, check out his posts, because ''I am under no illusion''.

[jamaicabound]

At some point you have to have some personality, you have to be fun, you have to demand respect for yourself. There's lots of rich guys who get leached off of and cheated on so status doesn't ensure happinesss or success with women, you do have to be well rounded and have more than just status.

I agree with you on status for a younger guy. I actually made a post a while back kind of discussing how status changes, basially exactly how you mentioned once you hit your 20's and continuing on through your life. FOr example, when your young much status defpends on your parents and if you have cool clothes and stuff like that. As you get a bit older in your teen years I would agree status either comes from being athletic, having a drug connection, or having laid back parents or an open house. I noticed the kids in high school woh's parents worked late or allowed partying at their house, that person was always popular. Even at that age though you have to have some frame and confidence because again there's the kid who's used for his stuff and who's house is trashed at the parties and there's the kid who has the parties and has chicks hanging around the next day to clean up for him.

As far as status though I think charisma, charm, game, etc sometimes trump money and power. Look at some of the hippy carefree don't give a shit about possessions, fashion, etc dating some hot chicks. Obviously some chicks chase status and money and there are some good girls out there who don't really give a shit

[MY DETROIT PLAYAS]

WIA is right on the money

Those 9's date those guys because they ALL have something in common....and it's NOT $$$

Those examples all appeal to her basic primal instincts

Drug user - Nuturer in her/motherly protector
Drug Dealer - Financial Security
Gangbanger - Danger/Her Protector
Waiter - Status/Prestige
Starving Artist/Bus Boy - Her inner savior/dreamer

Plenty of guys have status BEFORE they get the hot girl on their arms, but that hot bitch is calling all the shots

Just like any girl will tell you having a big dick means shit, if you don't know how to "use it"

Having money/status is not enough if you don't know how to properly assert them