[JohnKreese]

[BadWolf]

Women prefer GAME.

I met this one guy about 10 years back... way back before I knew about Game. This guy, we would goto a bar and he would have almost every woman in the bar bringing him stuff, asking him when they could go out and he'd fvck a new one every night. One night I stayed over at his house by myself watching TV while he and two other HOT chicks fvcked in his room.

He was bald, fat, missing a couple of teeth and broke...

[britchard]

It's because most of these women have flabby stomachs themselves. Or some of them are trying to avoid appearing shallow.

[catoblepa]

women would rather go after a flabby celebrity than a fit normal guy. Kevin Costner in the 80s at the peak of his career had the skinny and paunchy type of body.

[WestIndianArchie]

(09-18-2014 09:25 PM)Moma Wrote:  

To WIA:

Lizards can't get what they want, they can only get who approaches them. My mate in Britain is sliced and ripped and I used to bop road with him and see the lizards gawk and gasp. UK people often criticise those they envy. As Thomas the Rhymer said, NEVER EVER listen to what a lizard says, pay ATTENTION to what she does.

I went out on a date recently to a club that tends to play Jamaican music with a lizard with island roots. She said she hates when she is objectified and wants to be known for what's upstairs rather than what her body has.
Yet when we met, she was wearing some booty shorts so tight, they were swallowed up by her cheeks.

We really create the levels. When you have a powerful body that exudes 'fcuk me' to the lizards, all that bullshyt yarn they spin to you falls harmlessly to the side.

Every gender strives to control the other in some way of form. With the new gender issues, the weaker sex has now clamoured to exert control in more obvious ways. Berating and belittling men as a group and playing reverse psychology. A lizard still has esteem issues because men can always choose their partner and a man can fcuk as many lizards as he wants without it affecting his character in one bit.

If a lizard fcuks tons of men, it fcuks her up and she will have trust issues etc. If you speak to a former ho, her outlook on men will seem jaded and strange. It's NOT in her nature.
A man who is sliced and ripped represents what a woman can not do, regardless of how much women's lib is passed. A man who is sliced and ripped can command tons of lizards with the right mind set on the most fundamental level, a sexual level. She doesn't like this and will play games to try and get to his Achilles, his mind.

Don't fall for it.

Trying to figure out if we're on the same page.

My point is that if you watch a hot girl's actual results, you'll find that less-than-exemplary guys ROUTINELY fuck her in the ass on a Wednesday.

These dudes are broke, they're old, they're fat, they're not famous.

And the reverse happens all the time. A so-called alpha male will be arm in arm with a wildebeest or a komodo dragon.

There's something going on between these mismatched pairs that doesn't lend itself to graphs and pie charts.

When you start looking for anomalies, looking for aberrations, you will start rethinking the rules of so-called attraction.

Folks don't want to do that.

What's easier to tell a new jack what to do?
- paleo diet and compound lifts?
- read this fashion mag, buy new clothes, style your hair
- move to this Allah Forsaken country and use foreign guy factor?
- take a class or seminar and learn the truth?
- blindly follow these written scripts and you'll see results?

Or that they need to look around them, think about what they see, and then devise a way to try those things out themselves?

What I'm talking about used to be common place in the game.

If I girl says she likes X, or a guy needs to have Y - it's only a suggestion.

My piece of it, is that girls with these impossible standards always break them - especially the major ones.

And when you do meet these standards, it's not an automatic fuck.
And even if you get the fuck, she's going to want to do things to destroy what you've built.

So in essence,
- ignore those requirements, she does too
- improve yourself, for yourself, not for some imaginary group of "10's"
- she will actively work against you, and smile in your face

WIA

[Moma]

WIA, lay out a specific example of what you are talking about. You say 9s are with guys with flab etc, list 10 examples where you saw it where you can say it's a pattern.

Determine if the couple you saw are EVEN fcuking. Remember that cupcaking is at an all time high and it's not uncommon to see one bloated, unshaven fella arm locked with with some top line lizard who is just using him to fcuk with the other's head. They may not even be fcuking.

I've gone raving with a whole group of lizards in the past. It was a group of 7 or 8. There were two light skinned ones in the group (which is a delicacy group amongst the urban community in the UK). They spent all night dancing around me and coming up close to me and telling me how creepy the Nigerians were (there were some freshies who were dressed up in expensive gear who were trying to draw them) etc. Now an outsider might look at me and think I'm fcuking at least one of these lizards.

I had fcuked none of them but if you were watching, you would have factored me into the group that 9s fcuk. Not saying I'm fat, flabby and fcuked up but you get my drift.

I've hung around the top crowd for long enough and when you look at averages, it doesn't play into the paws of the flabby crew.

The ONLY way the flabby crew get prime dibs is if they work in the aforementioned jobs, club promoter, bartender or the yayo/ganja man etc. In that essence, you get to fcuk 9s looking for freebies etc. Now that's social circle game.

[LemonDrink]

Who cares what women think. Given all things being equal, the guy with the abs wins every time over a flabby version of himself.

[RexImperator]

I'm not defending "flab" but I personally believe the preference for the abs/ripped look is probably more of a "fashion" thing, women being creatures of the herd, and being easily influenced, whereas them liking big/strong men is probably more innate/primal/evolutionary.

To me it seems that the whole "Calvin Klein underwear / Abercrombie model" look is a relatively recent phenomenon, made popular by gays in the fashion industry. Not that it matters...

Obviously you should be and look healthy, but plenty of high-performing athletes don't have "six packs", and could be in the 12-15% BF range.

[WestIndianArchie]

[quote] (09-19-2014 05:16 PM)Moma Wrote:  

WIA, lay out a specific example of what you are talking about. You say 9s are with guys with flab etc, list 10 examples where you saw it where you can say it's a pattern.[/quote]

That's a tall order Moma.

I've never had a 6 pack and i've racked up a lot of chicks.
None of my boys have either been models of human perfection, but the catalogs are thorough.

I've seen it in Texas, NYC, DC, Chicago, Ohio, Miami, LA, San Diego, Barcelona, Tokyo..pretty much everywhere.

If I happen to see a hot chick with her guy, chances are the guy isn't even close to all that, in a visual sense.

Very rarely do I see so-called "assortative mating" in real life.

Now I do see power couples. My favorite Ex is with a dude that has it all together. But more typical is that my other favorite Ex is with a guy with a fat wallet, but more importantly he got her mentality.

To me that's typical

[quote] (09-19-2014 05:16 PM)Moma Wrote:  

Determine if the couple you saw are EVEN fcuking. Remember that cupcaking is at an all time high and it's not uncommon to see one bloated, unshaven fella arm locked with with some top line lizard who is just using him to fcuk with the other's head. They may not even be fcuking.[/quote]

You can tell from body language whether or not a couple of people are fucking. Anyone can see a first date from far off. They can see the couple that's newly in love. And then the couple that's been together for a while.

There's a level of familiarity in how two people interact.

Certainly if you can notice the subtle shifts in a chicks behavior when you're running game, you can see it in the next couple..right?

[quote] (09-19-2014 05:16 PM)Moma Wrote:  

I've gone raving with a whole group of lizards in the past. It was a group of 7 or 8. There were two light skinned ones in the group (which is a delicacy group amongst the urban community in the UK). They spent all night dancing around me and coming up close to me and telling me how creepy the Nigerians were (there were some freshies who were dressed up in expensive gear who were trying to draw them) etc. Now an outsider might look at me and think I'm fcuking at least one of these lizards.
[quote]

Were they kissing you though?
Were they looking at you for approval?
Did they seek out your touch?
Did the touches linger?
Did people see them go and get drinks for you?
Were you handcuffing them?

A lot of what shows that people have a familiarity about each other can be seen from afar.


[quote='Moma' pid='834144' dateline='1411164991']
I had fcuked none of them but if you were watching, you would have factored me into the group that 9s fcuk. Not saying I'm fat, flabby and fcuked up but you get my drift.

I've hung around the top crowd for long enough and when you look at averages, it doesn't play into the paws of the flabby crew.

The ONLY way the flabby crew get prime dibs is if they work in the aforementioned jobs, club promoter, bartender or the yayo/ganja man etc. In that essence, you get to fcuk 9s looking for freebies etc. Now that's social circle game.[/quote]

In terms of the night club scene, if chicks are rolling in force, it's usually a group of couples, or a solo chicks and some hangers on.

But when I go out and see couples,
- couples @ the super market
- guys and girls at restaurants

Et cetera, I see plenty of variety. More often than not, I don't see particularly good looking people at all, but when I do see them, they're sometimes matched well, but in most cases, the skinny hot girl is not with the skinny hot guy counterpart.

He might be older.
He could be a bear of a dude, just massive.
He might just be unconventionally attractive or have some sort of schtick

Rarely is he jacked. (and usually the girls I see with jacked dudes are hot. The chicks might be fit, but their faces are busted)

I maintain that my experience is more common than the whole 9's date other 9's

WIA

[clever alias]

i used to hang out with these two guys all the time, one was a pudgy latino with a mediocre sense of fashion but an unbreakable frame who pulled like it was his day job, the other was a jacked and cut amateur mma fighter who wore clothes that flattered his body. i never saw him pull once. my former roommate is a chunky arab with too much back hair and his fiance is an easy, down to earth 8.

women do not perceive attractiveness the same way men do. being jacked and having a killer body probably helps, but it also opens you to up to selection bias: you'll do well with a niche of girls that are far more than average turned on to muscles.

its like what roosh (or maybe roisy) wrote about black guys. most girls dont want to be with a black guy, but those that do REALLY want to be with a black guy, and theres usually no competition

[HawkWrites]

Yep, total crap. The women that have responded to some kind of survey of questionnaire are the outliers. Why? They have convinced themselves that they don't find attractive men attractive; generally, this is a result of said attractive men not finding them desirable and therefore they have trained themselves to find low-quality males to be their sexual equal.

There is really no implication here for the rest of us. We'll continue to truck on just as we always have. However, the people that desire the so-called "flab" will wean themselves out and prune the crowd for us.

[VincentVinturi]

Women 'prefer' flabby guys like they prefer nice guys.

[enderilluminatus]

I knew instantly that the author of this article was going to be a fat woman.

[jariel]