[LeBeau]

(08-29-2014 03:20 PM)Teedub Wrote:  

Insane ramblings. Everything, and I mean everything, is the fault of all men to these nutters. Laughably bizarre.

I was skimming through this page and at first read the above as "the fault of all men to these cutters"

Sadly I wouldn't be surprised if both were correct when it comes to Jezebel comments.

And for some of the guys who may not get that slang/reference:

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.ph...id=1086041

[Simeon_Strangelight]

(08-29-2014 03:29 PM)Wutang Wrote:  

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Off topic but I find this very interesting. I've seen the Mosou being used as an example of an Utopian matriarchal society by progressives in the same way they always hold the Nordic countries up as a shining example of where they would like the US to go. Is there any sources I can take a look at to further study this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LjhHd4EoK6Q

Here a talk by MRA Karen Straughan - listened to it while doing stuff and learnt that little Mosou tidbit. She mentions a study done by a female anthropologist and that the elite live differently from the matriarchal lifestyle of the lower populations. Feminism for you, but not for me - makes sense.

There have been a number of studies done, but she does not say, which study covered the elite-patriarchy in a matriarchal society, but I think that she might respond to you if you are interested in the topic. ROK did an article on the Mosou and missed that little tidbit, so it might be interesting to have a follow-up.

[Thoroughbred]

Four Corners aired this in Australia in 2013. They have since taken it off their site and the only copy I could find was this on Youtube:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6MyWQQD-gY

Watch, it's a very good take on this.

[Thoroughbred]

There is a fair bit of follow up information under the background information section here: http://www.abc.net.au/4corners/stories/2...771075.htm

[Surreyman]

(08-30-2014 02:18 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  

(08-29-2014 03:29 PM)Wutang Wrote:  

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Off topic but I find this very interesting. I've seen the Mosou being used as an example of an Utopian matriarchal society by progressives in the same way they always hold the Nordic countries up as a shining example of where they would like the US to go. Is there any sources I can take a look at to further study this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LjhHd4EoK6Q

Here a talk by MRA Karen Straughan - listened to it while doing stuff and learnt that little Mosou tidbit. She mentions a study done by a female anthropologist and that the elite live differently from the matriarchal lifestyle of the lower populations. Feminism for you, but not for me - makes sense.

There have been a number of studies done, but she does not say, which study covered the elite-patriarchy in a matriarchal society, but I think that she might respond to you if you are interested in the topic. ROK did an article on the Mosou and missed that little tidbit, so it might be interesting to have a follow-up.

See, I hear these Mosou arguments, and I don't know why I'm supposed to care.

No offense to the Mosou, but if their culture is so great, why is Matriachy the only reason any of us have heard of them?

I don't know why we're supposed to care how tribal people organise their societies. It's just so utterly irrelevant to me.

We don't emulate these people, we vaccinate them.

[Wutang]

It's very telling that pretty much the only matriarchal societies that exist are tribal ones while nearly every advanced civilization has been a patriarchy.

[2Wycked]

I did the ROK article on the Musou and have a writeup on the forum about them.

And, no, the article didn't miss the point about men making up the ruling class. It is a difficult point to research because Western societies worship this so-called "egalitarian" society.

[Simeon_Strangelight]

(08-31-2014 07:15 PM)Surreyman Wrote:  

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No offense to the Mosou, but if their culture is so great, why is Matriachy the only reason any of us have heard of them?

I don't know why we're supposed to care how tribal people organise their societies. It's just so utterly irrelevant to me.

They are irrelevant and they survived mainly because no one bothered subjugating them, because they were so remote and had nothing worthwhile to offer.

No - the real gimmick is the funny part where it actually turns out that the upper elite of the Mosou are patriarchal, while matriarchy was forced on the lower population. Either way - a culture without real writing, science, any kind of advancement whatsoever would be long gone if it had something worth fighting for - land, resources. In any way it is not a paradise, but simply a negative sign of what happens when matriarchy rules - and even that is fake, because likelihood is that one of their leaders in the past came up with the idea to wipe out all future competition realizing, that his family would rule forever if the rest of the population was led by women and he was the only male-dominated one.

In a way that seems to be something similar to the global feminism - the upper crust of society is almost unconcerned by it - they are legally immune, access to young females is even greater, incomes of the wage-slaves are lower because of female competition, durability of marriages are a bit affected, but divorce was never an issue for them - just the proper lineage.

And they are not affected by the politics of rampant immigration, joblessness and the real rape culture they created in the UK - their daughters will never be raped and groomed for the sex trade. Feminism and multiculturalism for you, but not for me.

[puckerman]

(08-27-2014 01:15 PM)Crackshot Wrote:  

What's sad is that Islam could actually solve many of the problems of white working class areas - where I am from all the men are on the drink, there are problems with family breakdown, crime, etc.

Also it would stand against political correctness which has stopped white men from protecting their families and their daughters honour by saying it is all due to the 'patriarchy' plus would create many more marriageable white British women.

An army of white Muslim men would probably not face PC accusations when they rise up and crush the Pakistanis as well.

Northern Europeans are a strong group with a warrior history but we have gone weak.

I won't hold my breath for any Muslim men to rise up against this stuff at all. But if I draw a picture of the pedophile Mohammed, I'm sure they'll be out in the streets raising hell.

[Galnuc69]

A society that can't protect its own borders, much less its women, doesn't deserve to survive.

Britain needs to wake up and stop all Third World Immigration(particularly Muslim), and deport this criminal scum back to Pakistan.

[Galnuc69]

(08-26-2014 03:23 PM)The Lizard of Oz Wrote:  

No. There were no "1400" "children" "raped". It's a ludicrous lie.

This is just part of the continuing and growing hysteria about "child rape" and "molestation" that is rampant in the West and in the UK especially.

The BBC has been running more and more stories like this. The Jimmy Savile story where he supposedly "molested" "thousands" of "children" over the course of decades really kicked it into high gear, and now there are new accusations of this kind every day.

Many innocent people will have their lives ruined by this hysterical witch hunt before it's over, just as many innocent people were destroyed by a similar "child abuse" witch hunt in the US in the 80s (see the McMartin case, and read Dorothy Rabinowitz's book "No Crueler Tyrannies" for many more heartbreaking cases), and just as innocent people's lives are being destroyed on US college campuses and elsewhere right now because of the false rape accusation hysteria.

Some paki needs to throw acid in this your face and sodomize against your will over and over again, maybe that will set an omega incel degenerate like you straight.

[mikado]

(09-01-2014 04:41 PM)Galnuc69 Wrote:  

(08-26-2014 03:23 PM)The Lizard of Oz Wrote:  

No. There were no "1400" "children" "raped". It's a ludicrous lie.

This is just part of the continuing and growing hysteria about "child rape" and "molestation" that is rampant in the West and in the UK especially.

The BBC has been running more and more stories like this. The Jimmy Savile story where he supposedly "molested" "thousands" of "children" over the course of decades really kicked it into high gear, and now there are new accusations of this kind every day.

Many innocent people will have their lives ruined by this hysterical witch hunt before it's over, just as many innocent people were destroyed by a similar "child abuse" witch hunt in the US in the 80s (see the McMartin case, and read Dorothy Rabinowitz's book "No Crueler Tyrannies" for many more heartbreaking cases), and just as innocent people's lives are being destroyed on US college campuses and elsewhere right now because of the false rape accusation hysteria.

Some paki needs to throw acid in this your face and sodomize against your will over and over again, maybe that will set an omega incel degenerate like you straight.

[Galnuc69]

I think Lizard escalated when he defended muslim pedophiles and pimps.

[solo]

Unbelievably the vast majority of people are still in total denial of the existence of the poisonous Political Correctness.

[The Lizard of Oz]

For the record, this post I wrote earlier in the thread and this great post by Handsome Creepy Eel explain where I stand in these matters, and why I felt it was important to argue for accuracy and against hysteria in this thread.

There are very serious problems with the original article and the report that it cites, and there are exaggerated and incredible claims made in both. The emotional nature of these subjects makes it more, not less, important to get the facts straight. That does not mean that the Pakistani gangs are not a real and serious problem or that they haven't committed some reprehensible crimes. But buying into hysterical and exaggerated claims helps no one, and can do everyone a great deal of harm, as explained in the posts upthread.

[Quintus Curtius]

Many interesting comments on this thread. My conclusions from this story are the following:

1. Crime spans all ethnic, sectarian, national, and ideological groups. It is spread across all groups, because human nature and its response to stimuli is the same across the globe.

2. There is a degree of under-investigation and under-reporting of crimes that occur in ethnic, sectarian, or religious minorities in the West. Some of that has to do with a perceived need not to fan the flames of hatred against minorities, which certainly need no encouragement to burn brightly even in the best of times.

But much of the under-investigation is not due to a diabolical attempt to enforce political correctness, but simply due to a desire not to expose the ineptitude of the police and social services, as I elaborate below in no. 3.

3. People forget that it is very difficult for law enforcement to penetrate ethnic or sectarian groups. It takes training, language proficiency, and cultural knowledge. Recall that:

*It took generations for US law enforcement to develop the tools needed to develop the knowledge of the Italian underworld to take on the Mafia.
*It took generations for US law enforcement to develop the corps of language speakers and witness techniques to take on Chinese triads, Russian gangs, Mormon fundamentalists, and any other such tightly-knit world.

American law enforcement (at least at the federal level and in the major cities) is some of the most sophisticated in the world, and if took the US a long time to do it, our European brothers are a bit behind. I do not mean this as an insult to any nation.

I'm simply stating that, based on my experience and observations, European and Japanese law enforcement agencies are still developing the strategies and techniques needed to deal with crimes in closely-knit communities. All over Europe, there are crimes occurring in isolated ethnic communities that are not reported or investigated, simply because there are not enough law enforcement officers around with the cultural knowledge or abilities to carry a prosecution to the finish line.

So, I wanted to offer this dimension as something to consider.

[Fighting888]

(09-01-2014 02:46 PM)puckerman Wrote:  

(08-27-2014 01:15 PM)Crackshot Wrote:  

What's sad is that Islam could actually solve many of the problems of white working class areas - where I am from all the men are on the drink, there are problems with family breakdown, crime, etc.

Also it would stand against political correctness which has stopped white men from protecting their families and their daughters honour by saying it is all due to the 'patriarchy' plus would create many more marriageable white British women.

An army of white Muslim men would probably not face PC accusations when they rise up and crush the Pakistanis as well.

Northern Europeans are a strong group with a warrior history but we have gone weak.

I won't hold my breath for any Muslim men to rise up against this stuff at all. But if I draw a picture of the pedophile Mohammed, I'm sure they'll be out in the streets raising hell.

Back in 2005, Muslims were rioting over the Prophet Mohammed cartoons.

[Fighting888]

This site claims the actual number groomed is about 10,000.

http://www.jewsnews.co.il/2014/04/15/100...sex-gangs/

Quote:

Under pressure from political correctness, authorities have allowed Muslim pedophile gangs in the United Kingdom to groom underage girls for sexual abuse for decades, victimizing as many as 10,000 schoolgirls, according to a report by an organization calling for an investigation.

“What we believe is required is a full-scale public inquiry,” the Law and Freedom Foundation said in the conclusion of its 300-plus page report, “EasUnder pressure from political correctness, authorities have allowed Muslim pedophile gangs in the United Kingdom to groom underage girls for sexual abuse for decades, victimizing as many as 10,000 schoolgirls, according to a report by an organization calling for an investigation.

“What we believe is required is a full-scale public inquiry,” the Law and Freedom Foundation said in the conclusion of its 300-plus page report, “Easy Meat: Multiculturalism, Islam and Child Sex Slavery.”

[Fighting888]

(09-01-2014 07:23 PM)Quintus Curtius Wrote:  

Many interesting comments on this thread. My conclusions from this story are the following:

1. Crime spans all ethnic, sectarian, national, and ideological groups. It is spread across all groups, because human nature and its response to stimuli is the same across the globe.

2. There is a degree of under-investigation and under-reporting of crimes that occur in ethnic, sectarian, or religious minorities in the West. Some of that has to do with a perceived need not to fan the flames of hatred against minorities, which certainly need no encouragement to burn brightly even in the best of times.

But much of the under-investigation is not due to a diabolical attempt to enforce political correctness, but simply due to a desire not to expose the ineptitude of the police and social services, as I elaborate below in no. 3.

3. People forget that it is very difficult for law enforcement to penetrate ethnic or sectarian groups. It takes training, language proficiency, and cultural knowledge. Recall that:

*It took generations for US law enforcement to develop the tools needed to develop the knowledge of the Italian underworld to take on the Mafia.
*It took generations for US law enforcement to develop the corps of language speakers and witness techniques to take on Chinese triads, Russian gangs, Mormon fundamentalists, and any other such tightly-knit world.

American law enforcement (at least at the federal level and in the major cities) is some of the most sophisticated in the world, and if took the US a long time to do it, our European brothers are a bit behind. I do not mean this as an insult to any nation.

I'm simply stating that, based on my experience and observations, European and Japanese law enforcement agencies are still developing the strategies and techniques needed to deal with crimes in closely-knit communities. All over Europe, there are crimes occurring in isolated ethnic communities that are not reported or investigated, simply because there are not enough law enforcement officers around with the cultural knowledge or abilities to carry a prosecution to the finish line.

So, I wanted to offer this dimension as something to consider.

Okay, but consider this.

Quote:

By Stephen Palmer – Asians [edit: South Asians] are at least 21 times more likely to commit child grooming offences in Britain than whites, according to figures from the child protection agency Ceop.


The statistics show that almost as many Asians have been reported for child grooming offences as whites, despite making up a distinctly smaller percentage of the population.

Ceop’s report identified 2,083 victims and 2,379 offenders since the start of 2008.

The report showed that, in half of the cases, the race of the perpetrators had been excluded because of insufficient evidence. Of the remaining half, 38 per cent were 'unknown', 30 per cent were white, 28 per cent were Asian, 3 per cent black and 0.16 per cent Chinese.

Typically, the mainstream media have reported the most politically correct set of statistics listed in the report, which state that 38 per cent of offenders were white and 26 per cent Asian; however, those numbers only account for one of two ‘groups’ of offenders, and when both groups are combined, the totals are much closer: 30 per cent white and 28 per cent Asian, or 367 white offenders to 346 Asian.

After 'British' and 'unknown', the largest offender group listed by nationality is 'Pakistani', although the statistics are clearly lacking completion.

The report gives no religious breakdown of the offenders.

According to the 2001 census, Asians (excluding Chinese) make up 4.3 per cent of the population, whereas whites (including non-Britons) make up 92.1 per cent.

This means that, even with Ceop’s incomplete statistics, Asians who, judging by recent court cases, are almost exclusively if not exclusively Muslim are at least 21 times more likely to commit grooming offences than whites.

The victims were clearly separated along racial lines as well: the study showed that 61 per cent of the 2,083 victims were white, while 2.6 per cent were Asian, 1.3 per cent were black and 33 per cent were of ‘unknown ethnic origin’.

The vast majority of victims recorded were female, but there were 182 male victims. The youngest victims listed were 10 years old.

[Quintus Curtius]

^^^

Fighting888:

I don't doubt that certain types of offenses are disproportionately represented within certain communities. This is well known.

As time goes on, law enforcement will develop the tools, techniques, and habits to enable them to prevent and prosecute such offenses as these "child sex" offenses in the "Asian" community. It's only a matter of time.

These types of outrages and scandals have to happen so that agencies are shocked and shamed into acting.

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[Fighting888]

I think the shocking point is that British South Asians are 21x more likely to be child groomers. That's astronomically bad. The ratio is probably even worse, as the British South Asian category includes Indians, who are not represented in the grooming cases. If we compare the ratio of South Asian Muslims to white British, the ratio is ~30x.

Here's another way to think about it. 4.5% of British are Muslim, but about half the groomers are Muslim.

I think at this point, the scandal is so huge that it's hard not to act.

[mikado]

Now that it has been repeated over and over that there is a problem, PC is bullshit, etc etc, I would like you to lay out clearly, being straight to the point, your propositions.

At least be direct, and do not mask any hate behind a couch of roses, or anything.

[Benoit]

(09-01-2014 08:54 PM)Fighting888 Wrote:  

I think the shocking point is that British South Asians are 21x more likely to be child groomers. That's astronomically bad. The ratio is probably even worse, as the British South Asian category includes Indians, who are not represented in the grooming cases. If we compare the ratio of South Asian Muslims to white British, the ratio is ~30x.

Here's another way to think about it. 4.5% of British are Muslim, but about half the groomers are Muslim.

I think at this point, the scandal is so huge that it's hard not to act.

Don't think it's just "innocent white girls" (a group that includes care home runaways who will get into a car with half a dozen men for a few cans of beer).

Based on the incidence of inbreeding-related genetic defects in areas with large Pakistani communities such as Bradford, their close family also gets a lot of attention.

[Rutting Elephant]

Interesting theory in one of the comments at Benoit's link:

"The selection for cousinliness over attractiveness among Pakistani females (in fact I suspect that the Pakistani elders actively desire ugly daughters in order to repel the attentions of the indigenous males) probably helps drive the industrial scale rape and enslavement of vulnerable English girls by Pakistani men"

So cousin marriage means ugly-ass Pakistani girls means the guys turn to the easiest-to-get white girls who actually make them horny.

[Deluge]

^Judging from maps of Europe there seems to be a positive correlation between inbreeding and attractiveness. We already know that humans do actually sexually select for a small level of inbreeding in partners, perhaps to maximize the chances of their extended families genes being reproduced. I wonder if any research has been done on whether there is an optimal level of inbreeding that promotes increased attractiveness, or if the correlation in Europe is just a coincidence.


I found it interesting that the tactics these grooming gangs used are literally exactly the same as the ones American pimps use. Wouldn't be surprised if they'd read themselves some Iceberg Slim.

While estimating based off journalists investigations of but 38 randomly chosen cases is too small a sample size, estimating via samples is the only practical way of counting how many children were abused considering the sheer number of cases that Rothertham's children's and social services must have over the last 15 years. No doubt more thorough investigations are already underway, we'll see what happens to the estimates. However, the fact that the posters with the most experience with places like Rothertham and Britain's relatively large white underclass are the ones who are the least skeptical of these claims says a lot in my opinion.

(09-01-2014 08:54 PM)Fighting888 Wrote:  

I think the shocking point is that British South Asians are 21x more likely to be child groomers. That's astronomically bad. The ratio is probably even worse, as the British South Asian category includes Indians, who are not represented in the grooming cases. If we compare the ratio of South Asian Muslims to white British, the ratio is ~30x.

Here's another way to think about it. 4.5% of British are Muslim, but about half the groomers are Muslim.

Limit it to just Pakistani's and the ratio would be even higher.