[Simeon_Strangelight]

(08-27-2014 08:34 AM)Deluge Wrote:  

Indian Race Trolls cockblock you and post junk threads on internet forums. Pakistani Race Trolls groom tweenagers to join pedophile rings.

Most British Pakistani's originate from the Mirpuri region of Kashmir, which is the backward part of one of the most backward countries in the world. These are the Pakistani's who live in Northern England's mill towns where all this grooming shit's been going on. Somebody please remind me why importing these people to work in manufacturing of all industries was ever a bright idea. Couldn't the British government anticipate that this would cause a raft of social problems down the line?

The remainder of British Pakistani's on the other hand are from the Punjab which is the most developed part of Pakistani and most of the migrants were well-educated, and now they are one of the most successful ethnic groups in Britain. A Western developed country has the luxury of being able to attract the world's best and brightest. To do what Britain did with Pakistani's is down right idiotic.

Immigration is created to disrupt the uniformity of the original population. Why did the Germans choose to invite backwards Turkish immigrants during their economic boom and labor shortage in the 70s and 80s?

They knew very well from experience that previous Italian and European foreign workers either returned to their homelands later on or integrated very well. They knew that the Turkish foreign laborers would do neither.

And after having personally spoken with Middle Class Turks in Ankara, they jokingly say that they have nothing in common with those Turks living in Germany, since they are from the most backward part of the country and prefer them to be in Germany than in Turkey.

Immigration is a geopolitical weapon applied for long-term strategic reasons different to those advertised.

[mikado]

(08-27-2014 09:32 AM)Cunnilinguist Wrote:  

(08-27-2014 05:56 AM)mikado Wrote:  

So you are accusing again the whole Muslims?

Why not just state the fact and accuse the Pakistanis (and/or Bangladeshis), who are the ones perpretating this?

Of course not, because this is a good opportunity to bash Islam again.

Mikado, here's an example of why people are bashing Islam when things like this happen.

Bilal Sikaf, who was one of the perpetrators during the Sydney Gang Rapes, wrote a letter after his conviction in which he stated the following:

Quote:

Don't take this as a threat but if all Muslims aren't released by January 2003 Australia and citizens will be in danger of bombing

Deluge or other Aussie guys can probably offer more insight into this case, but I'm just using it as an example of why Islam plays a big part in this. I think in their minds, raping/molesting white European girls is a way of getting revenge on Western civilization.

I do not deny this.
And I understand why the commoner, who doesn't take time to really try to understand this, will say "Islam is the cause therefore we must cut the problem at the root"

It's just that for me, people on this forum are above average in terms of thinking. Thus I hold you on a higher standard. And when one of you makes an opinion, I expect him to back it up. I DGAF about what the average mass thinks.

And yes, those guys are degenerate. However they are using religion as a mean to justify their crimes. You can give me quotes about the religion allowing rape, molesting and/or killing people who did not deserve to be molested/killed.

Sadly, this has been common in history. People from Western countries also used the excuse of religion to kill and/or sell as slaves people of other religion/countries (remember slaves trade).
But their behaviors do not directly mean that Christianity is evil, and prone enslaving others.
Do you see my point?
Reason is that today, a lot of people revendicate themselves being Christian, yet have a great heart, kindness, help their fellows and live their religion in peace. We must thus separate those from the extremists, like the ones in Centrafrica, who kill Muslims who did not attack them.

Many posters like Deluge, Zelcorpion etc pinpoint the economic and cultural points. I think they are right.
And i agree with restraining the borders to immigrants with a certain degree of education, who respect the country, try to integrate, and do not use defenseless people to express their rejection from people of the hosting country.

[The Lizard of Oz]

(08-27-2014 06:02 AM)Benoit Wrote:  

The BBC is full of paedo-hunters who are desperate to make their name by finding the most prolific abuser in the world ever.

I am certain that there was widespread rape and sexual abuse at the hands of these gangs, but the headline on the story is that there were 1,400 children "exploited" - a weasel word that covers a wide range of crimes, including those where the 'victims' were willing participants.

That doesn't justify the crimes, but it's essential that we don't allow the media to present a distorted narrative just because the story agrees with our world view.

Yep, exactly.

Guys, I see no point in arguing this back and forth, we're just repeating ourselves.

Again, if I were an Englishman I would be outraged that these Pakistani gangs are allowed to run rampant and the police won't do anything. And I would be ashamed that there are no vigilante English gangs that try to fuck with these Pakis. With all the chavs in England with nothing better to do, you'd think some of them would be up to some rough vigilante justice?

However. Words have meanings and they should not be stretched to hysterical extremes.

A 15 year old girl may be underage but she is not a "child".

"Grooming" a girl is not the same as "rape". No matter how "vulnerable" she is, no matter how "broken" her family is, "grooming" (whatever it means) is one thing and "rape" is something very different.

Whenever you see weasel words like "grooming" or "exploiting" you can be sure that in those cases no one was actually raped -- otherwise that is the word that would be used.

Were some of the girls actually raped? No doubt. Were some of the girls involved young? Yep. Were "thousands" of "children" "raped" in a single (large) town? No, they weren't and the report does not even claim that they were.

Read the article carefully: whenever they talk of actual specific violent activities, they talk about "examples", means single cases. Whenever they cite numbers like "thousands" they switch to using weasel words like "exploited" and "groomed" that can be stretched to mean virtually anything.

If I were an Englishman, I would be doubly disgusted to see that apparently the only way to get authorities to do anything about these outrageous Pakistani thugs is to invoke the "pedophile" hysteria. It is just further evidence of how bad things have gotten in England.

I have no desire to argue this any further. I would just urge everyone to read the article carefully and think about the terms used there and what they actually mean in reality.

[Crackshot]

@Lizard

It is because of all the single parent families that this happens

It's hard to imagine as the US is so different but in these areas there are often no men around to protect the women as they are single parents that then have daughters with no dads

Meanwhile Pakistanis are very close knit and fight in groups of up to 100s. So that is why they can get away with this as there is no real opposition to them

It is similar to the mass rapes that happen in war time when the rival soldiers are killed and the women are defenceless

I'm not sure what the moral is

Maybe I could write a ROK post on it

[berserk]

(08-27-2014 10:33 AM)The Lizard of Oz Wrote:  

A 15 year old girl may be underage but she is not a "child".

"Grooming" a girl is not the same as "rape". No matter how "vulnerable" she is, no matter how "broken" her family is, "grooming" (whatever it means) is one thing and "rape" is something very different.

Grooming in this context is actually worse than rape. The reason being that grooming is what pedophiles do to gain access to vulnerable children, they will feign taking an interest, gaining their trust, becoming emotionally close, then they will viciously betray that trust to force themselves upon their victims and will usually make it out like it is the victim who is the temptator or the agressive part. You should read up on how abusers operate. It destroys lives, self esteem and ability to trust.

I don't buy into the false classification of calling men attracted to teenage girls for pedophiles - as a general standard - but there is no doubt in my mind that this 'grooming' process mentioned here is evil and despicable.

Just because a girl is sexually mature, doesn't mean it can't be 'child abuse'. It might not be the proper word exactly, but in this case it is the closest to what has actually happened.

[Crackshot]

What's sad is that Islam could actually solve many of the problems of white working class areas - where I am from all the men are on the drink, there are problems with family breakdown, crime, etc.

Also it would stand against political correctness which has stopped white men from protecting their families and their daughters honour by saying it is all due to the 'patriarchy' plus would create many more marriageable white British women.

An army of white Muslim men would probably not face PC accusations when they rise up and crush the Pakistanis as well.

Northern Europeans are a strong group with a warrior history but we have gone weak.

[tylerdurden1993]

(08-27-2014 01:15 PM)Crackshot Wrote:  

What's sad is that Islam could actually solve many of the problems of white working class areas - where I am from all the men are on the drink, there are problems with family breakdown, crime, etc.

Also it would stand against political correctness which has stopped white men from protecting their families and their daughters honour by saying it is all due to the 'patriarchy' plus would create many more marriageable white British women.

An army of white Muslim men would probably not face PC accusations when they rise up and crush the Pakistanis as well.

Northern Europeans are a strong group with a warrior history but we have gone weak.

So basically the same effect Christianity used to have until it was basically crippled as a religion in Western Europe due to World War 1.

[Giovonny]

Lots of angles in this thread..

Religon
Culture
Progressivism
Feminism
Racism
etc.

The only thing I care about is this:

Protecting innocent children!

I have seen this type of stuff first hand. It is not uncommon.

It is exaggerated by feminists? Yes.

But, child rape, molestation, pimping, human trafficking, etc. are very real.

This particular story is definitely sensationalized by the media, but make no mistake, there are monsters out there that want to harm your children.

I have met a few of them.

I know plenty of girls and boys who were molested. Myself and my brother were molested at different points in our lives.

The numbers are sometimes exaggerated but the situation is very real. This stuff happens all the time. We don't always hear about because it happens often in the fringes of society, the underworld, the invisible classes, etc.

This article is a bit sensationalized but these things are real.

[WalterBlack]

(08-27-2014 05:28 AM)bojangles Wrote:  

You're wrong Lizard, it probably is in the thousands and this is completely different to a yank girl falsely accusing some guy who she rode hard at a party of rape. As someone who has lived in Northern England for over 18 years, this is something that is well known by everyone that certain groups of pakistani men target underage white females. It happened when I was at school, it still happens and all over the country pakistani paedophile rings have been caught, not just in the North but even in posh conservative Oxford.

It's liberalism that has let them get away with it.

One factor is that no one wants our precious white girls to be seen as easy meat.
Second factor is that no one wants to blame pakistanis for being paedos in case they are called out for being racist.

People have known about this shit for years.

I grew up in UK and when I was at school in the late 80s, I noticed Pakistani guys in their mid 20s regularly parking their car outside the school gates. Girls from the school would go over to their cars and then sometimes the guys would drive off with the girls in their cars. The girl were around 13 years old.

There’s also a lot of political correctness in the media with shit like this – a lot of the time the articles say the perpetrators were “Asian”. In UK Asian means South Asian – now how do British Indians feel when they get grouped with these fuckers?

[The Lizard of Oz]

Gio,

Of course these things do happen. And of course, it is necessary to protect innocent children. Who could disagree with that -- everyone feels this way.

But this is sometimes the problem. Because everyone feels so strongly that children must be protected, the mere mention of the need to protect children is enough to stop all debate. And this is why those who have an agenda always use this to justify extreme and draconian measures that end up protecting no one, but destroying the lives of other innocents.

In the US, states have passed more and more extreme and deranged laws targeting "sex offenders". There is no debate about these laws -- no legislator ever wants to be seen voting against something that is done "to protect children". So they keep passing with large bipartisan majorities, and they are getting more and more extreme all the time.

As a result, people who get labeled as "sex offenders" have their lives permanently ruined. Even after they've done their jail time their names are in a permanent registry where everyone can look them up. They cannot live here, there or anywhere (within a hundred yards of this zone, or that zone etc). Often they are forced to sleep under bridges or in special camps in the middle of nowhere. This is after they've already served their sentence.

And who are these people? They're all monsters who wanted to harm children, right?

No. Only a small minority are anything like that. Some of these are guys who had sex with a 17 year old girl (who looks 20) when they were 22. That is a sex offender, and his life is permanently ruined.

And all this is happening in the name of "protecting children".

Think about that.

It is exactly when dealing with extremely emotionally loaded issues like child molestation and the protection of children that it is most important to be careful and dispassionate. Because otherwise what happens is that the mere mention of this issue makes otherwise decent people so emotional that they stop thinking and stop debating, and are fooled into passing increasingly insane and outright evil laws that protect no one, and harm many innocents.

That is why it always important to examine these claims carefully. Were these "thousands" of girls really "children"? Were they really "raped", or maybe just seduced or pimped and so on? How much is hype and how much is reality?

It is never more important to ask those questions than when dealing with loaded terms like "child rape" which make the blood rush to people's heads.

[Crackshot]

@TylerDurden

There is actually a historical precedent.

The mamluk slaves were Caucasians and Slavs that converted to Islam. Brought as slaves to serve as warriors, they ended up ruling Egypt

Combining the warrior spirit of northern Europeans with the discipline of Islam would probably create a group of super warriors similar to Chechens and Dagestanis

There needs to be an ideology to solve the internal problems faced and game can't solve western civilisation

[Collide]

http://newsdiffs.org/diff/657896/657911/...e-28939089

Look at the first redaction to the BBC article.



Nothing fishy going on here.

[Giovonny]

(08-27-2014 02:22 PM)The Lizard of Oz Wrote:  

Gio,

As a result, people who get labeled as "sex offenders" have their lives permanently ruined

I have no problem with that.

If they used sexual violence on a child, they likely did permanent damage to that child.

So, I have no problem with them being ostracized from society.

They deserve it, in my mind.

(08-27-2014 02:22 PM)The Lizard of Oz Wrote:  

Some of these are guys who had sex with a 17 year old girl (who looks 20) when they were 22.

I'm obviously not talking about consensual sex between two post pubescence people.

I'm talking about an adult raping a child against the child's will.

I agree with you that many of these laws have gone to far due to feminist brainwashing.

However, an adult who uses sexual violence against a child.. I don't have much sympathy for that person.

A 20 year old who has sex with a 17 year old is perfectly normal, in my opinion. Any law against that is stupid.

I know these things get rolled into one issue sometimes, but, for me, these are 2 separate issues.

1) Child rapists
2) stupid feminist laws

I am only addressing #1

[The Reactionary Tree]

Say what you want about American police but they would never let some shit like this go down.

I'd rather have police who aren't afraid to have the dreaded "R" word hurled at them than some politically correct pussies who will let monsters run amok and terrorize innocent people because they are too afraid to do what is right.

[berserk]

(08-27-2014 03:45 PM)objectivist tree Wrote:  

Say what you want about American police but they would never let some shit like this go down.

I'd rather have police who aren't afraid to have the dreaded "R" word hurled at them than some politically correct pussies who will let monsters run amok and terrorize innocent people because they are too afraid to do what is right.

This is how police states begin, when police starts making politics and alienates those they're meant to protect.

[rudebwoy]

I guess Ken Barlow, Jimmy Saville, Cliff Richard, Gary Glitter are innocent, right!

But the pakis must be guilty.

ISIS is another CIA make believe organization.

[DarkTriad]

(08-27-2014 05:46 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  

And what the fuck is this tip-toeing around the issue of racism nowadays? Police and social workers should give a shit what skin color or religion the perpetrator has. They should take into account current cultural traits and crime statistics and act accordingly - some of those may seem like stereotypes, but that just means that you make extra sure that everything is alright. It's just common sense and not racism or homophobia for that matter. People should be able to see endemic problems of their own social groups with an open mind without feeling hurt or insulted. Not all cultures and social groups are equal at all times - humans can be swayed and indoctrinated easily by the environment they grow up in! A good healthy dose of detachment even of your own social group can make you see their shortcomings more easily.

But I don't expect the mindless PC-obsession to stop anytime soon.

You just had a week of rioting in Ferguson to answer that question. Contrast it with the complete lack of coverage for the unarmed white teen shot by a black officer in Utah, and you have the answer as to why cops and politicians care.

[Saweeep]

(08-27-2014 05:20 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  

I guess Ken Barlow, Jimmy Saville, Cliff Richard, Gary Glitter are innocent, right!

But the pakis must be guilty.

ISIS is another CIA make believe organization.

I don't get what you'e trying to say to be honest…

Could you explain?

[Fighting888]

This estimate of 1400 sexually abused children is actually accurate.

They arrived at 1400 by having social workers randomly select 38 cases from registered files of potentially abused children. They found 95% of their children had suffered abuse. They used that figure and the total number of case files to arrive at the 1400 estimate. So their methodology appears sound. The number of 1400 is truly astounding just for one city, with a population of only around 250K.

Read the report here: http://www.rotherham.gov.uk/downloads/fi..._rotherham

In the UK as a whole, perhaps around 19,000 children are currently being abused. http://www.bbc.com/news/education-20409229

It appears that a significant fraction are of Muslim ("Asian") descent. Here's an interesting quote

Quote:

A different study done in 2011 looked at 2,300 potential offenders who had been caught grooming. Of the 940 whose race could be identified, 26 percent were Asian, while 38 percent were white.

http://www.aljazeera.com/programmes/insi...95485.html

[Fighting888]

One of the perpetrators of the child rape is out on the street.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-...mbers.html

[Fighting888]

He's free to walk through Rotherham now.

[rudebwoy]

Seriously how does one man rape 1400 girls in one town?

So not one of these girls reports it to their parents!

Don't know about you but if I even saw a hair out of place on my child, the baseball bat is coming out.

[The Lizard of Oz]

(08-27-2014 07:12 PM)Fighting888 Wrote:  

They arrived at 1400 by having social workers randomly select 38 cases from registered files of potentially abused children. They found 95% of their children had suffered abuse. They used that figure and the total number of case files to arrive at the 1400 estimate.

This is literally one of the sickest things I've ever heard.

I knew immediately that the "1400" was bullshit -- as soon as I saw it -- but even I could not imagine that it was arrived at by this criminal "methodology".

This idea of "randomly" selecting 38 cases, finding that "95% had suffered abuse" -- an insane and outrageous idea, what does "abuse" have to mean for this to be even remotely true -- and then extrapolating from these **38 CASES** to INFER "1400" victims is so outrageous, so scandalous of a procedure, that words fail me.

The people who wrote a report that uses this methodology to arrive at this outrageous 1400 number should themselves be jailed. Certainly, any professional accreditation they have should be taken away from them and they should never be allowed within a mile radius of a "study" ever again.

I hope everyone realizes that this absurdist methodology means that this report has now been completely debunked and can be thrown in the trash can. The "1400" is complete bullshit with no connection to reality.

**************************

For anyone who is interested in learning about other lies and myths related to the "trafficking" hysteria, I strongly recommend Maggie McNeill's blog, starting with this post:

http://maggiemcneill.wordpress.com/resou...told-lies/

[Crackshot]

Lizard your denialism is why this problem got out of control.

I am not bothered. UKIP government coming soon so we will have our revenge for what's been done to my homeland

The UK has been sponsoring Islamic fundamentalism abroad for decades and working closely with our biggest ally Saudi so now it has all blown up in our face

[Teedub]

(08-27-2014 09:43 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  

Seriously how does one man rape 1400 girls in one town?

So not one of these girls reports it to their parents!

Don't know about you but if I even saw a hair out of place on my child, the baseball bat is coming out.

???

Where has anybody said it was "one man"?

Indeed, people did go to the police, that's the whole point. Police did nothing, and in some cases arrested the girls and parents for being 'racist' and threatening 'community cohesion', hence this huge fallout. Have you not read the thread?

Lizard, I'm honestly baffled as to why you've taken this thread on some other tangent. "Sickest thing you've ever heard"...yeah, the actual events should be! You seem more bothered about the sensationalist reporting vis-a-vis 'trafficking', than what these girls suffered due to strict adherence to multiculturalism and political correctness. That's the story here. Whether it was 140 girls, or 1400 - as others have said, unless you understand how it is in Northern English former-mill towns, it's probably difficult to understand exactly what has been going on here. These were often girls who'd been in care all their life, not just some slags who wanted a bit of rough.

Point is, whilst you might be correct about the methodology and what not, it's not the time and place for it. You're coming off like a bit of an apologist, despite that not being your intention.

In fact, it's about time some sensationalism was directed in 'our' favour. For years now, it's been sensationalism on things like "School accidentally sells pork to Muslim....ISLAMOPHOBIA" etc.

This is quite the case of if you push the pendulum one way...it's only going to swing back further the other. Perhaps I'm being overly emotive or whatever, but this push-back against P.C and everything associated with it has been long awaited.