[Travesty]

^ Once you smell blood in the water looking and acting aggressively lustful has won me many bangs.

She has to be primed for it though of course.

Before the physical I channel lust into making her enjoy herself.

The no lust makes sense for vets (thirst).

After hanging in the Newbie section so long though I think it is dangerous advice for beginners. Looking at a girl with a warm sexual intent behind your eyes and in your voice primes them.

Most newbies don't have enough sexual presence and intention. Lust is great you just need to know when to throttle it up in a hurry.

I agree with all the other commandments.

[Seaver]

(08-17-2014 12:39 PM)game_ethic Wrote:  

What's wrong with being honest? The oldest woman I've banged was 36 and I'm 21. I'd rather be honest and lose out on a bang than constantly having to lie and being on guard.

Nothing, just that lies are easier for the guys who don't have the level of game needed to get what they want.

IME young women aren't turning down quality men b/c of their age, that is just the excuse they use most often.

Personally if I find myself thinking I need to lie to accomplish something, I view it as a signal that I need to step my own efforts up to make a life that produces better results on its own merits.

[reaper23]

(08-19-2014 06:54 PM)Travesty444 Wrote:  

^ Once you smell blood in the water looking and acting aggressively lustful has won me many bangs.

She has to be primed for it though of course.

Before the physical I channel lust into making her enjoy herself.

The no lust makes sense for vets (thirst).

After hanging in the Newbie section so long though I think it is dangerous advice for beginners. Looking at a girl with a warm sexual intent behind your eyes and in your voice primes them.

Most newbies don't have enough sexual presence and intention. Lust is great you just need to know when to throttle it up in a hurry.

I agree with all the other commandments.

agreed. i show deep primal lust right from the get go. its a filter for me and just the way i roll.

last girl i day gamed and eventually banged said that when i saw her for the first time on the street my look was "the closest thing to rape possible that was acceptable"

it stopped her dead in her tracks on the sidewalk.

[MrXY]

(08-20-2014 08:29 AM)reaper23 Wrote:  

agreed. i show deep primal lust right from the get go. its a filter for me and just the way i roll.

last girl i day gamed and eventually banged said that when i saw her for the first time on the street my look was "the closest thing to rape possible that was acceptable"

it stopped her dead in her tracks on the sidewalk.

[Jack198]

(08-08-2014 05:13 AM)Trav_Ler Wrote:  

Steele (John White) is physically imposing with a persona to match, but he's an example of how soft "balls of steel" can be for a man without capital (when Ross Jeffries sued White, White couldn't afford a lawyer).

Sounds like he eventually got one. But in the interim, man the dialog between those two was hilarious!

[Jack198]

(08-17-2014 02:31 PM)Vicious Wrote:  

Not a fan of this guy.

I remember reading this book nearly 15 years ago. The details elude me but the general impression I was left with was that he advocated practices that was WAY too passive. Like hanging around a girl forever and wait for her to give you a sign of interest.

I read this book years ago and it seemed kind of corny, but I wasn't the target market. Looking at it now though, I have to admit it's more useful to me these days. Day game is much more critical to an older guy.

[reaper23]

(08-17-2014 02:31 PM)Vicious Wrote:  

Not a fan of this guy.

I remember reading this book nearly 15 years ago. The details elude me but the general impression I was left with was that he advocated practices that was WAY too passive. Like hanging around a girl forever and wait for her to give you a sign of interest.

yeah his tactics are weak.

much of the book is 'don't scare the kitty' game

not really my MO

[Giovonny]

In the future,

I hope to write a book on this topic.

Researching and experimenting this area has been a lot of fun!

I don't have enough experience to write a book yet, but in a few years I should be ready.

[Cattle Rustler]

Gio, you should have a blog. Whenever I have free time... I hit your post history and read random posts of yours.

[jariel]

(08-21-2014 03:22 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

In the future,

I hope to write a book on this topic.

Researching and experimenting this area has been a lot of fun!

I don't have enough experience to write a book yet, but in a few years I should be ready.

Gio,

Don't sell yourself short, you're living the book now, and you have legitimized yourself to a whole community of men with a common interest in the level of game and audience you present yourself to.

You can do it, you don't need "a few years".

[Sherman]

I concur that it would be great to get a fresh approach on this topic from an experienced member. My ex wife was 20 years younger than me and Steele was generally correct about female psychology. She was intelligent and fit into his rebel category.

[Giovonny]

(08-21-2014 03:24 PM)Cattle Rustler Wrote:  

Gio, you should have a blog. Whenever I have free time... I hit your post history and read random posts of yours.

Eventually, I will.

First, I want to finish my "greatest hits" book that I am working on.

Do you mind sharing some of your thoughts on my 5000 posts here on the RVF?

What do you like? What do you not like?

Have you learned anything from my posts?

What are my weaknesses?

Thanks in advance.

(08-21-2014 03:34 PM)jariel Wrote:  

Gio,

Don't sell yourself short, you're living the book now, and you have legitimized yourself to a whole community of men with a common interest in the level of game and audience you present yourself to.

You can do it, you don't need "a few years".

Thanks jariel!

For the vote of confidence.

I just want a few more years to really study, learn, and experiment with stuff.

If I'm going to write a book, I want to be an expert.

Most people don't realize that I just started this stuff a few years ago.

[eradicator]

(08-21-2014 03:46 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

(08-21-2014 03:24 PM)Cattle Rustler Wrote:  

Gio, you should have a blog. Whenever I have free time... I hit your post history and read random posts of yours.

Eventually, I will.

First, I want to finish my "greatest hits" book that I am working on.

Do you mind sharing some of your thoughts on my 5000 posts here on the RVF?

What do you like? What do you not like?

Have you learned anything from my posts?

Off the top of my head

18 year old/ 19year old women like it when you buy them beer.(even if it is cheap) because it is a hassle for them to get.

Cooking game works.

18/19 yo women want to go to fast food, so you are their fast food sugar daddy.

Approach any and all girls that get your dick hard. The only approaches you regret are the ones you do not make.

You have got better at sizing women up and determining whether your approach will go well just by reading their body language/eye contact with you.

Women *like* to be approached during the day by a high value guy who has his act together. Their bitch shields are usually off, set to a low setting, or easily disarmed or ignored during the day.

If she mentions a boyfriend, just eject. It is desperate and generally a bad idea to try to game her anyways and can throw your frame off for the rest of the day.

The only caveat I would add is that a lot of women are not happy in their relationships and are looking for a way out. If she is openly slamming the guy she is with for cheating, flaking, or general bad behavior, I don't think it is a terrible idea to try to game women that have boyfriends.

I know I am forgetting a ton of shit, but that is what I remember off the top of my head.

Quote:

What are my weaknesses?

I would guess a lack of night or internet game. I don't really consider either one to be a weakness though.

Quote:

Thanks in advance.

(08-21-2014 03:34 PM)jariel Wrote:  

Gio,

Don't sell yourself short, you're living the book now, and you have legitimized yourself to a whole community of men with a common interest in the level of game and audience you present yourself to.

You can do it, you don't need "a few years".

Thanks jariel!

For the vote of confidence.

I just want a few more years to really study, learn, and experiment with stuff.

If I'm going to write a book, I want to be an expert.

Most people don't realize that I just started this stuff a few years ago.

Before meeting a girl for the first time, I usually either listen to either yours or delicious tacos' podcast on the mcqueen show to put myself in a good mood. That way, whether I get laid or not, my frame is rock solid and I am almost sure to enjoy myself.

[puckerman]

(08-21-2014 03:22 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

In the future,

I hope to write a book on this topic.

Researching and experimenting this area has been a lot of fun!

I don't have enough experience to write a book yet, but in a few years I should be ready.

Do it.

[Half Century]

(08-17-2014 02:28 PM)MrXY Wrote:  

(08-17-2014 04:05 AM)Akula Wrote:  

Although I'm still occasionally trolling bars and clubs in addition to day and night game and it's def tough to prioritize and I run into situations I never used to all the time. For example was at a club Sat night and struck up good rapport with a very pretty girl (8) who turned out to be 20 and a student and for me that's just a tougher road to slog now whereas 5-6 years ago it would have been no problem. I ejected after few minutes of light banter just because I was telling myself "you need to move on and approach other girls, this is probably a big waste of time and a very low probability, etc." just due to her age mostly. A few years ago I would have never thought or said that.

Anyway, interesting how this author seems to be pretty negative on 'cold approaching' for older guys - wonder if that is just his generation or applicable even today. In any case, it's something for me to watch/think about given I have been trying to switch to day game. My sense and actual experience is that he's right for the much younger crowd but once girls are say 27+ they are much more open and available, whereas the real youngsters who still have big social circles and less jaded outlook are not quite so open to it (I guess you could say that about women in general, depends on their situation I guess. Clearly I could not be all these 20-something girls I do here back home in the US, and/or would need to adjust my game a lot and be more surgical on my target selection (i.e. "Seeking Arrangement" type girls, more online game, work harder on social circle game (which for me is basically non-existant and has been for many years), etc.).

Definitely want to read this book.

Your assessment of the situation agrees with mine. I'm 52 and I still do night game cold approaching , but I am selective about the venues and the girls. I only go to bars, lounges, restaurant bars and nightclubs that have a mixed age crowd so I know there will be a decent number of people in their 30, 40s, and 50s or older so I won't stick out.

I seldom approach a girl who looks younger than 27-28 because I feel like it's a waste of time and effort in that environment. I believe that a certain percentage say 30-40% of younger girls in their early to mid twenties simply aren't interested in older men, at least in the abstract. The remainder either are interested or might be interested but in the night environment they are under the watchful eyes of their friends and there is negative peer pressure, at least in the US.

But I know for a fact that some early to mid 20s girls are definitely open to mature men. I been out right approached in bars in the last 2-3 weeks by a 24 year old and another who might have been 26 and this is far from the first time. I get obvious looks regularly from that age group as well, but I know if I approached them in front of their friends it likely would not succeed.

I really think as you say that the mature man need to focus more on certain niches that take advantage of his strengths and avoid his weaknesses. Last night I got repeated texts and calls from a 20 year old wanting me to come meet her and her friend at a nightclub but I was with another girl and blew her off. I met the 20 year old through a sugar daddy ad; I've known her for maybe 8 months, met her for a quick drink a couple of times but haven't banged her yet. I've just been playing it cool which just makes her more interested. The sugar daddy angle-whether real or fake is one angle

Another is developing a niche or gimmick- either through work or a hobby in which you can display status and value and have young women look up to you as a leader, a mentor, a good connection, or just a cool older guy who is exciting.

Ive decided recently that I need to start doing daygame, which I've never done, because I think it might be a strong suit for the older player. The big advantage as I see it is that the girl is alone and therefore not subject to peer pressure so she can act on her own preferences as opposed to the judgement of her social group. Plus , bitch shields are lower and you have no danger of coming across as the sleazy old dude in the club. Rather you are a successful man just going about your day when you happened to encounter her. I know Giovanny has had great success at this; he's quite a bit younger than me but he's going after girls who are a lot younger than him so he's proven that daygame can overcome significant age differences.

Solidly middle-aged, I was considering buying this book. Cold approaches are my only opportunity now, except for being a quirky amateur indie music video/ filmmaker, where I am one -on -one with the models: the younger and less "independent", less feminist types are generally friendlier, though very flighty!

I have never been good at social circle game, really. I always get set up with unattractive women! Only solo lone wolving has benefitted me, especially abroad.

Ironically, the only girls I've encountered through day game, sometimes night game, that were flirtatious, were really young! But, Americn women in their late 20's to 40's in the U.S. are really difficult..and angry!

In general I don't like American night game....Nevertheless, when I came back to the USA after years abroad, I was always really surprised, and totally clueless, that 20-somethings would actually flirt and sort of "open" on me at mixed-age night spots.

[Kid Twist]

(08-17-2014 02:25 PM)azulsombra Wrote:  

(08-17-2014 12:39 PM)game_ethic Wrote:  

What's wrong with being honest? The oldest woman I've banged was 36 and I'm 21. I'd rather be honest and lose out on a bang than constantly having to lie and being on guard.

You cant compare banging older Western women with a 15 yr age gap to banging women 15yrs younger. Not even in the same universe of difficulty.

Never before in history have young women been brainwashed into believing that they should only date guys within about 3yrs of their age. Basically dudes that would be graduating high school or college when they were entering.

Also the effect of social networks is unprecedented and has exacerbated this problem. Social pressure and age shaming that should have ended in high school continues artificially as these networks keep younger girls permanently attached to their judgmental peer age group. Of course it gets better when u step outside the West but here it is a real issue. Sure there are some hot chicks in Merica that have no problem dating a dude 10yrs plus but its less than 25%.

Therefore why should you remain 100% honest about your age when it will immediately eliminate potential partners in a country already full of bad ratios and fatties?

Great post and something I've mulled over very much.

Knowing much about ethnic people, and immigrants to this country, all I had to do was think about obvious history and family to instantly understand that age shaming and "creepiness" is a lie. What's more, it is always about females being around ruining male authenticity. There is not one classic man in my family that if we were all alone, would immediately high five or at the very least nod in understanding that my going out or attempting to go out with girls who are, say, 10-15 years younger was something just ... obvious. But put the wife (not all, some family members) and no way there is a response, rather, it would be radiosilence or something BS about "something in common" or another lie about what is better for male/female relations.

[GreyFFM]

I skimmed the book several years ago - it was written in another ear (spa rather then gym or health club) and is pre-game. Some of the advice is just bad, like nos. 1 and 4 below. Other parts are just common sense, and other parts are OK.

It was probably a bit groundbreaking 30 years ago to write down that a 15-20 year age difference could be overcome, so kudos to Steele. But as a game guide, it has a lot of flaws. You are better off reading the 40+ thread on this board than this book imho.

1 Get informed on subjects young women care about. Leave Cosmopolitan on your coffee table.

2 Trade the Pontiac wagon for something that does not reek of middle age. No big or tiny cars.

3 Don't comb your hair in an intricate attempt to disguise the lack of it. She secretly ridicules you.

4 Shave off all facial hair. To her you're outta it: cop, leftover hippy or compensating for thinner hair.

5 Stop dressing like a dork.

6 Don't wear more than $200 of jewellery.

7 Never look in a bar. Go to any and every wedding. She'll be there.

8 Join a spa. Hang out. Be yourself.

9 Six million are co-eds. Get your ass into classes.

10 Decide. Do you want to keep on dating fat, complaining divorcees with three kids?

[Half Century]

I was living in Costa Rica and my landlord buddy at 51 was carrying on a relationship with a 19 year old. I told my dad about this and he smiled -yeah, well that's OK. So, not everyone frowns on age differences.

At the time I was an increasingly beer-bellied 40 year old....gringo....with some game

[XPQ22]

(08-19-2014 06:15 PM)MrXY Wrote:  

He is absolutely right to put fitness as the first commandment and to emphasize how important it is. Nothing will take you out of the game with younger women more than having a middle aged paunch, and next to serious wealth, nothing will keep you in it better than having a flat belly and a decent level of muscularity

Repeat times 50 for those of us unfortunate enough to be suffering from hair loss.