[edtf]

#25: A Latina 5 in the library, I notice a sticker on her macbook is of Snow White wearing a bandanna. I open her, asking if she's into EDM. She says she listens to a variety of artists, but nothing in particular. I say I just moved from California and was wondering if there was a scene here. She says she doesn't know, she just picked out the sticker and wasn't thinking so much into it. I notice she looks kind of nervous and not biting, so I thanked her and bounced.

#26: An Asian 6/10 FOB girl on the sidewalk. Usually I don't approach when its pitch black in order to avoid scaring the girl or being seen as creepy, but today I felt pretty good. I asked her where the gym was, and then she gave me directions and told me that she was also going that way. I ask if its "that building over there", and she gives me more directions. By this point her back was already turned towards me, so I thanked her and let her go.

#27: A white girl at the gym, 7/10 with nice ass and tits. I make eye contact with her 2 or 3 times, and I notice her looking at me through the gym mirror. After my sets, I walk up and tell her she has cool shoes. She takes off her headphones, and smiles at me. We talk about her shoes and then she asks me if I run at all. I tell her I do running, swimming and biking, and she says "Oh, Triathlon, nice!" She says she runs a lot, and we talk about training, and I tell her I'm always looking for a running buddy. She mentions that she trains at pretty random times, and at this point I thought that was it… After that she asks me what I'm studying, and we talk about school for a while. Finally she asks if I'm into skiing and snowboarding at all. I tell her why I only snowboard because of my skiing accident from when I was a kid, and she gasps. She brings up that her boyfriend is also into snowboarding and that she snowboards too. Fuck!!! Then she asks where I'm from, and I talk about Los Angeles, she talks about how she's from Utah, and she asks me about what I did over winter break. After this, I get her name, and tell her it was nice to meet her, and eject.

I noticed that the hottest girl of the 3 approaches was the nicest and most pleasant by far, and I actually enjoyed chatting with her.

[Cobra]

EDTF, why don't you try boyfriend destroyers? I think a lot of players move on after hearing about the boyfriend. Others plow through. I don't know why the more experienced guys don't plow through sometimes but maybe only because they can gauge interest levels in a girl really well (just an educated guess). However, as a newbie to intermediate, when you can't read body language or vibe as well, it may be worth using a few lines to challenge the objection. Some I have used, 2nd one worked on a 7.5.

"I'm not asking for your hand in marriage." (after an actual 'boyfriend' rejection though) ...followed up with..
"Look, give me your number and I'll text you. If you don't text back, I'll get over it. But, if you do, maybe something magical will happen."
^^^ Credit: Octavian for the above line.

[robreke]

(01-23-2015 12:16 AM)edtf Wrote:  

#25: A Latina 5 in the library, I notice a sticker on her macbook is of Snow White wearing a bandanna. I open her, asking if she's into EDM. She says she listens to a variety of artists, but nothing in particular. I say I just moved from California and was wondering if there was a scene here. She says she doesn't know, she just picked out the sticker and wasn't thinking so much into it. I notice she looks kind of nervous and not biting, so I thanked her and bounced.

#26: An Asian 6/10 FOB girl on the sidewalk. Usually I don't approach when its pitch black in order to avoid scaring the girl or being seen as creepy, but today I felt pretty good. I asked her where the gym was, and then she gave me directions and told me that she was also going that way. I ask if its "that building over there", and she gives me more directions. By this point her back was already turned towards me, so I thanked her and let her go.

#27: A white girl at the gym, 7/10 with nice ass and tits. I make eye contact with her 2 or 3 times, and I notice her looking at me through the gym mirror. After my sets, I walk up and tell her she has cool shoes. She takes off her headphones, and smiles at me. We talk about her shoes and then she asks me if I run at all. I tell her I do running, swimming and biking, and she says "Oh, Triathlon, nice!" She says she runs a lot, and we talk about training, and I tell her I'm always looking for a running buddy. She mentions that she trains at pretty random times, and at this point I thought that was it… After that she asks me what I'm studying, and we talk about school for a while. Finally she asks if I'm into skiing and snowboarding at all. I tell her why I only snowboard because of my skiing accident from when I was a kid, and she gasps. She brings up that her boyfriend is also into snowboarding and that she snowboards too. Fuck!!! Then she asks where I'm from, and I talk about Los Angeles, she talks about how she's from Utah, and she asks me about what I did over winter break. After this, I get her name, and tell her it was nice to meet her, and eject.

I noticed that the hottest girl of the 3 approaches was the nicest and most pleasant by far, and I actually enjoyed chatting with her.

The last girl at the gym was asking you all kinds of questions. You could have gone for the number and used the boyfriend destroyer per Cobra's advice if she'd even objected. Sounds like she was interested.

I'm guessing you'll see her at the gym again since you're a regular. Whenever a girl asks me that many personal questions, boyfriend or no, I always go for the number/meetup.

[edtf]

(01-24-2015 01:49 PM)Cobra Wrote:  

EDTF, why don't you try boyfriend destroyers? I think a lot of players move on after hearing about the boyfriend. Others plow through. I don't know why the more experienced guys don't plow through sometimes but maybe only because they can gauge interest levels in a girl really well (just an educated guess). However, as a newbie to intermediate, when you can't read body language or vibe as well, it may be worth using a few lines to challenge the objection. Some I have used, 2nd one worked on a 7.5.

"I'm not asking for your hand in marriage." (after an actual 'boyfriend' rejection though) ...followed up with..
"Look, give me your number and I'll text you. If you don't text back, I'll get over it. But, if you do, maybe something magical will happen."
^^^ Credit: Octavian for the above line.

Yeah, good idea, I will try this next time.

[edtf]

Quote:

The last girl at the gym was asking you all kinds of questions. You could have gone for the number and used the boyfriend destroyer per Cobra's advice if she'd even objected. Sounds like she was interested.

I'm guessing you'll see her at the gym again since you're a regular. Whenever a girl asks me that many personal questions, boyfriend or no, I always go for the number/meetup.

Yeah will do, I guess because it was my first gym approach with a beautiful girl I got too nervous

[edtf]

#28: I haven't approached in a while, because of studying for school… it puts me in a hyper observant and introverted mentality where I over think. I went out to a bar, and met this latino guy who was a true natural, approaching fiercely, and I got re-inspired by him. Outside a bar near a pizza restaurant, I see 2 cute latina girls waiting in line for pizza. I'm about to pussy out, but my friend pushes me forward to go for it. I walk over, and say "Hi, I just thought you were beautiful and if I didn't come say Hi, I would regret it for the rest of the night." She beams at me and says thanks, and gives me a hug, and asks my name. I ask her about her night, where she goes to school, and some small talk, and finally I say that my friends are waiting, and that I want to get her number and take her out sometime. She says that she's actually in a long-distance relationship, and I tell her, "Hey just give me your number, and I'll text you. If you don't respond I'll get over it, but if you do I'll take you out and we'll have a good time." She says OK and I get her digits, and I ask if she remembers my name when I text it to her. She remembers it and gives me a hug, and I tell her good night.

^^ Shout out to Cobra for the line man, I think I would have ejected without it.

[edtf]

This interaction isn't numbered because I got approached. At a social event, a blonde 7.5 asks a mutual friend to ask if I spoke Chinese. I said yes, and asked her how she knew, and after that we started talking about where we went to school and our majors and stuff. After that she got my number saying her and her roommate were hosting a dinner and she would invite me. I got a text from her, and we'll see how this plays out.

#28 didn't respond to my text.

[edtf]

#29: Short cute blonde girl 7/10 at the bus stop. I notice she keeps looking at me, and when I would look back at her she would look away and blink rapidly. I ask her when the bus is coming, and she doesn't even look my way. I notice her headphones are in, so maybe she didn't hear me. An old lady with a little girl answers my question so I don't know how to re-engage. After this she makes eye contact with me 2 more times and looks away, and then gets on the bus. I should have asked her about her shoes, it would have been a better opener.

[edtf]

#30: Met a girl at a house party, black hair, green eyes, and nice tits, cute. We had a good conversation about the culture of Baltic countries, and then moved downstairs where there was people playing beer pong and music. We talked some more, and I told her I couldn't hear her because the music was too loud, and asked if she wanted to move to the roof. She said yes, and we're out on the roof and I have my arm on the wall almost around her, its only the 2 of us with random people climbing on the roof once in a while. I feel her arm, she has goosebumps from the cold. I'm in a suit, and she's in a skimpy tank top, so I know she's cold even though she says she's not. I take off my cardigan anyway and wrap it around her (a little white knight, but allows me to escalate simultaneously). She says she's Buddhist, and I talk about my travels to Tibet and about Tibetan Buddhism. She says, "You have such a cool life, trade me." and I say "give me a kiss, maybe it might happen." and she says "Oh, is that how it works?" and we start making out. I suggest we move to a room because its cold outside, and she agrees. She gets onto the bed and we continue making out. I began playing with her tits, reaching under her bra, no resistance. When I reach for her pants, she takes my hand and brings back up. This happens 2 more times, and I manage to get her shirt and bra off, and start sucking on her tits, and she is wrapping her legs around me. I reach down and begin unbuttoning her pants. "Oh ho ho ho!" Fuck… a guy had climbed in through the window and was standing next to us, and I covered her tits with my hand. "Keep doing your thing", he says as he exits through the door. "oh my god, this is too weird", she says, and she gets up and puts back on her clothes. I try to pursuade her to stay, but that probably freaked her out. We head out of the room and talk as if nothing ever happened. I get her number, and set up a day 2, and when her girlfriends had their back turned for a moment, I went for another kiss, for the danger factor, and we made out again. She finally had to leave, but texted me saying it was nice meeting me and to meet tomorrow.

#31: Approached a black girl at a bar, 5/10. Had a good rapport, but when I went in for the number, she said she had a boyfriend, but if she didn't she would definitely give it. "Maybe in another life", she says.

[edtf]

the girl from #31 came over today, we made out and I couldn't get her shirt completely off or her pants off. I played with her tits and sucked on them but she didn't let me get any farther than that. She says she'll come by again later, damn she's holding out on me. She mentioned that one of her friends was raving about my body.

She is going to a party, and says she needs to pick up her friends. Fuck, I hope I'm not being played

[Rawmeo]

Your #30 was a major cockblock, I would probably have trouble making the bitch stay.

Anyway +rep for that nice thread.

[~wrIghter~]

It sounds like you're making some pretty good memories man. I'm digging the stories and details.

[Carlos100]

You're putting in some really good detail on your approaches that I think would be helpful for others, including myself. But, I'm not seeing as much detail on your mid-game once you actually go out with some of the women you meet from the approaches. Anyway, I'm also really enjoying this thread and hope you keep it up with the same intensity.

[edtf]

Thanks for the support guys.

I texted girl 30 again what she was doing on tuesday. She replies "i have no idea haha why"
And i reply "come over for dinner, im making sushi"
No response...

She was replying fast 2 days ago, now sudden silence. Im wondering if I fucked up somehow, or was it simply something out of my control?

And edit, in my post i meant girl 30 came over, not 31

[edtf]

#32: in a bar, i see a blonde girl with 2 friends. I go over and say that I think shes beautiful and I wanted to say hi. She asks my name and we talk for a few minutes. She says nice to meet you, and good luck, and I take it as my cue to eject. I feel good for approaching

[Travesty]

(03-07-2015 01:57 AM)edtf Wrote:  

#32: in a bar, i see a blonde girl with 2 friends. I go over and say that I think shes beautiful and I wanted to say hi. She asks my name and we talk for a few minutes. She says nice to meet you, and good luck, and I take it as my cue to eject. I feel good for approaching

Don't use the word beautiful it is acid to women's ears.

Say her dress looks great on her, or if she has on something cool that catches your eye. Going extremely direct in a bar is almost always over the top. They know you are talking to them because you want to bang that is a given in a bar you don't need to say it.

You are better off just saying hi, and asking about the bar or some other bar around or simply comment about what the girls are up to and see if they are warm.

[edtf]

(03-11-2015 11:01 PM)Travesty444 Wrote:  

(03-07-2015 01:57 AM)edtf Wrote:  

#32: in a bar, i see a blonde girl with 2 friends. I go over and say that I think shes beautiful and I wanted to say hi. She asks my name and we talk for a few minutes. She says nice to meet you, and good luck, and I take it as my cue to eject. I feel good for approaching

Don't use the word beautiful it is acid to women's ears.

Say her dress looks great on her, or if she has on something cool that catches your eye. Going extremely direct in a bar is almost always over the top. They know you are talking to them because you want to bang that is a given in a bar you don't need to say it.

You are better off just saying hi, and asking about the bar or some other bar around or simply comment about what the girls are up to and see if they are warm.

Thanks, I'll keep that in mind for next time.

#33: In a club, I ask a blonde girl with a short dress and fishnet stockings how she is. We exchange names, I tell her she looks like she's having fun, and she says she's waiting for her boyfriend to leave the club (who is standing behind me). I tell her it was nice to meet her and eject.

#34: In the same club, I ask 2 girls how their night is, they look at me for a second and look away and continue to dance.

* I was approached on the train by a cute blonde overhearing my phone call and asking me about my vacation plans, which I was talking about with my friend. We end up talking and she turns out to be in the same school as me, but mentions traveling with her husband. We talk until I get off at my stop, and I tell her it was nice to meet her, and she said she'll come find me sometime. Didn't feel right pursuing a married girl who is affiliated with my professional sphere, maybe that was a mistake.

[edtf]

#35: Got eye contact from a slim chinese girl in a nice bikini at the swimming pool. Her and her friend were very nice body-wise, but average faces. In the hot tub I ask where they are from in Mandarin, and only one of them gives a terse response, and then asks me where I'm from. Her back is towards me, and only turns her head towards me, terrible body language… I eject after a few minutes of silence, they look at me as I go. A Mediterranean looking girl in the hot tub makes eye contact with me as I exit and gives me a warm smile, and I return it. I should have opened her. Holy fuck why am I bombing with FOB chinese girls? I'm half thinking, no more approaching FOBs. Even the most indirect god damn approach they treat as if you're whipping your dick out or something.

#36: In the cafeteria line for a sandwich, a tall brunette girl orders a salad, and tells the server to hold the cheese because she wants to be healthy. I tell her she made a good decision, with a smile. She smiles back, and we talk about the temptation to order something unhealthy at the very last second. Somehow we talk about spring break, she asks me what I did and I talk about my NYC trip. She's hooked, but its my turn to get a sandwich, so I tell her I'll see her later. Thinking back, it was worth a number close, damn.

[edtf]

A very important thing to note is that in the past week I have made as many approaches as the last 2 months. A large part of it is stopping porn as well as limiting fapping, which increases my sexual desire like crazy. Before, I was completely tapped out, satisfied by a cheap imitation which killed my desire for the real thing.

Approaching satisfies 3 desires, sexual desire, sense of self worth, and social validation, in that order. It seems in the beginning because of porn I was only satisfying the latter 2, which is not a strong enough incentive to make many approaches. To anyone reading this and trying to get over approach anxiety, I strongly recommend you stop porn and fap as little as possible.

Think about it like this. You are underwater, there is almost no oxygen left. You will scramble, swimming from place to place to secure precious oxygen, what people think doesn't matter at all. If you were on land, where oxygen is plentiful, would you have that same vigor? No driving force is as strong as a physiological need for something. Use it to your advantage, your sexual desire is a tremendous source of power.

[edtf]

#37: I took a hit of acid yesterday, planning to meditate and work on my inner being. After it took effect, I felt that going into "monk mode" and hiding in my room was the wrong thing to do. I was in a cage created by my own fears and insecurities, nothing but myself was stopping me from going out and seeing the world. I put on my jacket and stepped outside to the most beautiful sunset I had ever seen. I couldn't help but smile, for the first time I experienced nature on a whole new emotional level. I walked down the main street of my town towards the sunset, and there was only one other girl on the street walking towards me. I gave the most genuine smile I've ever given to a stranger, she smiles back. I ask her what she's up to, she says she is going home on her lunch break from her job. She asks if I have a number, and we exchange numbers and she shoots me a text. She asks how old I am, and we talk about weekend plans.

I realized how powerful raw emotion and body language could be. All the openers, routines, and lines fell away, all I had was overwhelming positive energy, and a happiness for the world. In a trip, there is a term called "ego death", where you forget you are an active participant in the world, and things like social anxiety, insecurities, suddenly cease to exist. My real emotion was written on my face, beaming in public without feeling "weird" or worried about being judged.

After the walk, the visuals from the acid began kicking in. I went back into my room, got into my bed, and enjoyed the rest of my trip.

[edtf]

Restart text with #30. We plan on meeting Sunday at 10pm. At around 8pm I ask if she wants to come over at 10:15. She says because of work she asks to postpone til Monday, and that she will match my schedule. I say 8pm and she agrees. Today's monday, and at 7pm she texts me saying she's drunk with her roommates and cannot drive over. I call her up, and her roommates answer, asking me if I want to bone her. I ask "Who are you?" and they hang up. I text her asking what the deal is, and that if she doesn't want to meet then let me know so we aren't wasting each other's time. She says she does want to meet and that her and her roommate can come pick me up. I say that's fine, and she replies they are on the way. I say OK. Something tells me its a mistake to give into her change of plans, but I'll play along and see what happens.

[edtf]

Update: Got picked up by her and a car full of girls with another guy. We squeeze in 4 people including me into the back. All the girls except the driver is wasted. Her roommates are very cute, and have the slut vibe. We get to their house and the roommates pass out after drinking. The roommate makes a pass at the guy, who refuses for some reason and bounces. I'm sitting with my girl observing the chaos, and making conversation as if nothing is going on. Everyone leaves and its just the 2 of us. I show her pictures from my recent trip, my arm is around her on the sofa. We make deep eye contact, and I ask "Want to make out?". She says "Sure." After a few minutes we go outside and she smokes a cigarette.

She gets back on the sofa, and I know I need to escalate to her room to make something happen. I tell her about a cool article I read on the internet, and want to show her. She says her computer is in the room, and I help her up. She's flirting and being lazy, and I carry her up in my arms into her room and set her on the bed. We look at the article, and then after a while I set her laptop to the side, and start making out with her. I reach towards her tits, she puts my hand back up. A few minutes later she lets me take her shirt off, I fumble with her bra and she makes fun of me. I finally get it off. She's dry humping me while making out, she is on top of me and I realize how big her tits are. I get on top of her, and I dry hump her, and she starts moaning and gasping. She would not let me touch her pussy, my hand had been taken away almost 5 times at this point. I notice she's wet, and call her out on it. She giggles and doesn't say anything. Despite my best efforts I could not beat LMR. She lays on my bare chest and we chat. She says she doesn't want to be easy, and I tell her I like her because I find her attractive and I think she's smart and easy to talk to, and that is what makes her a good girl, not being easy or not easy. She agrees, and says, "honestly" before stopping. "Honestly, what? complete your sentence", I tell her. "Nevermind", she says. I couldn't get her to say what she was going to say. Finally I see her eyes are slightly red. I ask if she's tired, she says yes. She drives me home, and we make plans to hang out again. "I hope you don't think I'm lame", she says. I give her a kiss, and tell her she's not lame. She wishes me a good night and I wish her the same.

[Rawmeo]

"I hope you don't think that I'm lame"
==> "What do you think?"
..and get out. Let her hamster figure out the rest.

[~wrIghter~]

Sounds like you could of got the bang with a little more persistence. "She's dry humping me while making out, she is on top of me and I realize how big her tits are. I get on top of her, and I dry hump her, and she starts moaning and gasping."

Instead of an article it could of been a good idea to put on a good song or a funny youtube video. "She would not let me touch her pussy, my hand had been taken away almost 5 times at this point. I notice she's wet, and call her out on it. She giggles and doesn't say anything."
She was being playful and wanted you to work for it. I think kissing or biting her inner thighs would have got her open to that. I like how you're improving man. Always a motivation for me and others to follow suit.

[Travesty]

*Pro tip if you are at a chick's place and either she doesn't have a music playing device out... play music on your phone. Many times when you escalate in the living room grab the phone that is playing music on the way to the bedroom. It can help get over the hump of that awkward silence when girls LMR. Music is crucial.

1) You just made out and you want to show her an article? Are you kidding. Would any sexual tension in any movie you watched try to build on this? You made out before, after the cig just grab her hand and lead her to the bedroom. Picking her up is good.

2) Get better at taking off a bra if you don't have one go buy one wrap it around a pillow and practice, be able to do it with either hand with your eyes closed.

3) When it doubt whip it out. Lots of guys try to rub the vagina. The first time she denies you it is time to get her hand down your pants onto your dick. Her grabbing a hard-on in my experience is always much more powerful that rubbing her outside her pants. It rivals actually fingering her in my experience, it may not physically turn her on as much, but mentally I feel it does and pushes them across the Rubicon.

4) Never interrupt escalation on a bed with more conversation. Your job is try to get her to shut the fuck up. Your biggest response should be a grunt or a faint laugh. You are at work. You can't let her destroy the moment. Put your hand over her mouth. Hell put a finger in her mouth. Shush her. Anything! Gag her if you can!

This is why blitzkrieg works. You aren't try to gain a few feet of territory. You are trying to firebomb the entire city to ground and trying to make sure no school children or fuzzy family pets can escape even if Jesus himself tried to intervene.