[Frank]

I have some issues with regards to that. Good Looking Loser has a recent post on the very subject. It's called "Why You Won't Get Laid This Weekend" or something to that effect. And he pretty much says that there are women who want you to fuck them, but you don't want to. When he was younger, he went for a few years only wanting to pull model-like girls. And he spent a lot of time not getting any sex.

I can relate. Recently, a chick from online wanted to meet up. Was very eager to. When the day game, I sent a message to cancel. I couldn't bring myself to do it. She wasn't gross, but she was a 4 or 5 in my books. Very bland face, 26, and pictures taken at angle that made me think she's fatter than she looks. All I could think of was "Fuck, I hate myself."

And then I cancelled, and felt relieved after.

It also has to do with that I know where I stand looks wise. I don't have model good looks, but I only want women who are on the same level as me looks wise, or higher.

[Nomad77]

You have to decide what you want: arm candy or sex Good sex and good arm candy are two different things. A lot of guys want both at the same time, which is difficult to find. It's like women wanting a rich, good looking guy.

[TigerMandingo]

The problem is that even with lowered standards you're still looking at a significant amount of time needed to bed these average chicks. They've raised their standards for men without making any adjustments to their level of attractiveness. So now I'm expected to take some mousy whore jet-skiing before I can fuck her. I'm exagerrating a bit, but you get the idea

[Rush87]

(08-01-2014 11:00 AM)Cunnilinguist Wrote:  

The problem is that even with lowered standards you're still looking at a significant amount of time needed to bed these average chicks. They've raised their standards for men without making any adjustments to their level of attractiveness. So now I'm expected to take some mousy whore jet-skiing before I can fuck her. I'm exagerrating a bit, but you get the idea

In my experience [And this may just be relative to my location] the difficulty level in bedding a 6 versus a 9 is essentially identical.

In both cases I need to overcome numerous hurdles & in a lot of ways it makes sense. Your typical 6 [In todays society] is actually being approached by even more men on a standard night out [Due to many men thinking there is no point even trying with the 8's & 9's]. Add in the hundreds of 'likes' to instagram pics & constant validation & they have a very healthy ego.

I know personally I held that view for a very long time. I figured that if I was getting rejected by a 6, a 9 is completely out of the question.

[Pride male]

Having low standards is good for getting that abundance mentality though.

[Ice]

(08-01-2014 06:17 AM)Hamsterchoker Wrote:  

I use the boner test. And anyone 5 or below automatically fails it. In fact, even when I am naked with them, I cannot get it up. I don't get the mentality of chasing notches, why have something that you don't even like? For me, game is about fun and pleasure, and 5 and below are the antithesis of that.

Yeah exactly. People speak about lowering one's standards. But why should I lower my standards just to get something I don't even want? If it's not fun for meI just don't spit. Else it just becomes a chore.

It's similar with food. I don't eat junk food, McDonald's and the like. I just think it's gross. When I'm hungry and happen to be in an area where there are only junk food shops, I just decide to not eat anything. I'll be hungry for the rest of the day, but so what. I simply don't want to eat crap.

[Nomad77]

(08-01-2014 11:19 AM)Rush87 Wrote:  

(08-01-2014 11:00 AM)Cunnilinguist Wrote:  

The problem is that even with lowered standards you're still looking at a significant amount of time needed to bed these average chicks. They've raised their standards for men without making any adjustments to their level of attractiveness. So now I'm expected to take some mousy whore jet-skiing before I can fuck her. I'm exagerrating a bit, but you get the idea

In my experience [And this may just be relative to my location] the difficulty level in bedding a 6 versus a 9 is essentially identical.

In both cases I need to overcome numerous hurdles & in a lot of ways it makes sense. Your typical 6 [In todays society] is actually being approached by even more men on a standard night out [Due to many men thinking there is no point even trying with the 8's & 9's]. Add in the hundreds of 'likes' to instagram pics & constant validation & they have a very healthy ego.

I know personally I held that view for a very long time. I figured that if I was getting rejected by a 6, a 9 is completely out of the question.

True, the amount of work can be very similar. It really comes down to how much the girl is attracted to you. The more she is the less work required regardless of her looks.

[Skotch]

(07-30-2014 03:02 PM)Bad-Habit Wrote:  

Count me in. I lost a lot of girls to my high standards.

Even more girls were lost to not being horny enough because of fapping.

I'd rather do it myself than have sex with a girl below my standards. Numbers are cool, but quality is more important.

[Lizard King]

(08-01-2014 02:16 PM)Skotch Wrote:  

(07-30-2014 03:02 PM)Bad-Habit Wrote:  

Count me in. I lost a lot of girls to my high standards.

Even more girls were lost to not being horny enough because of fapping.

I'd rather do it myself than have sex with a girl below my standards. Numbers are cool, but quality is more important.

That's you now.

There is no constant to the quantity:quality ratio. It varies all the time. It's different for each guy everywhere.

Virgins need to ditch quality and build notch count. Players need to bang 9-10s. Some guys have 9-10 sex with 6-7s.

It's so subjective and open to interpretation.

Getting sex should be easy. If you're concerned about quality you will have to start low and work your way up, the same applies to quantity.

To state the obvious: if it isn't easy to get sex, you need to step back and calculate why, or develop yourself.

[horn]

(07-30-2014 05:28 PM)Nomad77 Wrote:  

@Horn For me, I literally cannot see a girl's beauty when I am really into the sex. Even when we are not having sex, I can only really see her beauty as a reflection in the eyes of other men and women.

Couldn't agree more, that's what I was trying to say. I'd rather have a talented 6.5/7 who is open to anything than an 8 who is boring.

[horn]

8s aren't impossible for most men.

Only for men who aren't actually trying.

ALL of those 8s you see out are fucking somebody, or desperate to fuck somebody.

[Distant Light]

This is one viewpoint I've never agreed with and I think it mainly has to do with the environment that I learnt game...

Besides my years daygaming, I learnt NIGHTGAME in "high end" venues which had a door policy causing a natural filter of average women. This was also before the EDM wave so doors were extra tight. As a result, I sort of CHANGED in the sense that I've forgotten what "average" looks like.

That said, once you start banging almost exclusively your ideal types YOU FEEL BAD for hooking up with anything less. This is even more true when I think about the things I do to the women I hookup with, I couldn't imagine doing such things to a mediocre chick. I learnt this in early 2013 after making "an exception" by hooking up with a 5'4 rihanna shaved head type latin hipster chick. Her ass was AMAZING!!! I thought I'd love having sex, in actuality I didn't even go down on her. (This is in contrast of making a chick squirt in my face and falling asleep in her squirt juice hahahahaa)

Overall, my entitlement had become insanely high and my reality very skewed... (In a good way)

From my experience when average chicks see me they are very intrigue (9s and 10s are too but are awesome at keeping their cool) and sometimes end up doing some interesting/bizarre things. The most recent situation was at a day party this swedish chick who was maybe a size 6-8 looked at me while I was drukenly dancing alone. (My reality is so skewed I actually consider her fat when she is not bigger than your average american college chick, I'm just so used to seeing very skinny chicks)

I flirted for maybe 5-10secs as I always do BUT she legit held onto my hand and wouldn't let me go. (I was already with 3 other chicks who were hanging with a bottle buyer) All I remember was going to smoke and we were all over each other. Not even 5mins we were trying to figure out where we could potentially fuck.

The contrast between this chick and the gorgeous women I'm used to seeing is the fact that the chicks will try their HARDEST not to reveal their desire. 2 examples...
- I was once drunk and realized a few days before that I REALLY LIKED this one particular chick that I run into from time to time. When I saw her, I pulled her in saying some shit implying that she really peaks my interest. SHE WAS SHOCKED in a "fuck yea he does like me!!!"

- I once told this model chick that I didn't even remember running into her 2-3 days ago. She was SHOCKED and also added "so you don't eve remember all the things you said?" I did't BUT I'm pretty sure we might've been in alittle lovey-dovey bubble during that drunk moment as I remember at some point thinking "Wow, this chick is awesome". (NOTE, I never knew I actually had her number hahahahaa)

P.S...I think all my past experiences makes really hot women sort of understand that they have no special status for being highly attractive and at any moment I will cut them off and/or friendzone them if things don't appeal to me. I personally have no downside as far as I'm concerned.

[Nomad77]

@Distant light And the point of your rambling was?

[The Wire]

(08-01-2014 11:19 AM)Rush87 Wrote:  

In my experience [And this may just be relative to my location] the difficulty level in bedding a 6 versus a 9 is essentially identical.

This is exactly my issue with lowering standards. You still need to invest some time into it. Literally If I had a magic gene that could deliver a 4 to me I would fuck her. But the fact that I have to make plans, go to a bar, bring her back and then try to kick her out right after make the whole thing too much investment. I usually have 5 as my minimum but i'm even starting to bail on these girls for lack of interest. It's not even so much of a boner test with me because using a girl strictly for sex, a walking fleshlight if you will is not worth the effort IMO unless you have a fuck buddy situation where the girl comes over and leaves as soon as you are done.

[Rubio93]

Some may not agree with me, but I would advise someone who has a hard time gaming really attractive women and doesn't want a mud duck, to p4p for a while. The advantage of that is you get the experience with the women you choose and they almost always know how to fuck. The disadvantages are that you don't have to work for it and could wind up getting lazy.... as well as potential legal issues in socially retarded places like the USA

[Rubio93]

Also, isn't being too picky with your female partners the same thing as the HYPERGAMY that females practice with males these days? Why as a male would you want to be hypergamous?

[The Wire]

(08-05-2014 05:18 PM)Rubio93 Wrote:  

Also, isn't being too picky with your female partners the same thing as the HYPERGAMY that females practice with males these days? Why as a male would you want to be hypergamous?

Because some people only have a certain amount of hours to spend towards women in a week. A 5 takes roughly as much time as an 8.

[Rush87]

(08-05-2014 06:24 PM)The Wire Wrote:  

Because some people only have a certain amount of hours to spend towards women in a week. A 5 takes roughly as much time as an 8.

Which is something that lingers in my mind throughout the entire date. Re: A 5 - You create an initial 'spark' - Organise a date - 'Endure' the date - Take her home - Slut proof her 'emotions' - Have sex- And finally; attempt to kick her out.

When it's a 5 [Or someone below your level] it's like working at McDonald's lol. You're performing a degrading, mundane task which you have to appear like you enjoy only to get rewarded with an unsatisfying pay check.

With an 8/9 you can replace endure with enjoy & typically remove the entire portion of the night devoted to 'slut proofing' her emotions. If anything, they're [On Average] a little less effort.

[Ensam]

I agree with your basic premise - though there's a third reason dudes have a hard time getting laid:
3) Logistics. Live in an area with lots of women and a good bar scene.

The town I'm currently living in for professional reasons is moderately difficult to get laid in. My logistics aren't great and the girls here have an attitude problem. I've had a 3 month dry spell - which is unusual since I started game. Last weekend I went to a city with much better logistics and got laid my second night there. SNL with a girl I met at a bar. First serious approach of the night. Time from me coming over to say hello to back at her place was less than 30 minutes - one of the easiest times pulling of my life. No nonsense once we were back at her place and she was really cool the next day.

If I wanted to get laid more often I could make the choice to move to a better town. This past weekend made me realize I'm making a conscious choice not to do that for the time being. Next time I get all up in my head about not getting laid as much as I might like I'm going to remind myself that it's a choice and I could change it at any time.

[Distant Light]

(08-03-2014 06:37 PM)Nomad77 Wrote:  

@Distant light And the point of your rambling was?

Hahaha, a guy should NOT lower his standards...

The problem stems from RATING, all it really is in actuality is a subjective "personal" filter as to what you find attractive in relation to your ideal types.

Banging a 6 to me is like saying to go bang some decent chick with amazing tits just because I'm horny and she wants me. My sexual interest at most is "I'd let her flash me". Even if she was an amazing chick and I was horny as fuck, why would I bang her? I already know I'm not going to do what I'd do to a chick I really am sexually attracted to.

Another thing to take in account is a persons location and what he's personally experienced. I've been SPOILED to the point that it would have to be a VERY UNQIUE WOMAN for me to be willing to bang a chick under 5'8. (Even 5'8 nowadays is seeming short)

This wouldn't have happened if I was in kansas city where the 5'4 fit girl with fake tits is the hottest woman in a 20 mile radius. I live in NY and ontop of that frequent environments that strives to maintain having only above average women around. Those types of experiences change you.

P.S...If you treat all chicks as human you won't have a problem with hot chicks because there would be no difference other than "If I do let her have sex with me, she better be prepared for passion to be brought to the table". I don't change my personality based on women, I greet both hot chicks and unattractive chicks with kisses. (whether it be the cheek or lips is case by case) It doesn't mean they're getting fucked, it's just another way I express myself when having fun fun or appreciate having specific chicks around me.

[Nomad77]

@Distant light Ok, I agree but this post wasn't written for guys you like you. You are already getting the creme of the crop. This was meant to for guys that's not getting anything - that are literally starving for pussy. You have to start somewhere and usually the primary reason is that they want to start where you are at now. I am sure you didn't start out banging top models.

[Saweeep]

There are times when only a steak will do and times when any old shit will do for dinner.

I think it's unwise to have hard and fast rules on these things. There are many more 6-7s around than higher numbers and they are easier to pick up in my experience.

There are times when one desires, for instance to fuck 5 different girls in a week and there are times when nothing but the best will do. The former will, for the sake of ease of attainability, be a mix of different value girls. The latter, obviously not.

The general premise of the thread is sound, however. There are women everywhere and if sex is all you want, with only half an eye on quality, any half competent guy should be successful.

I think it's always sensible to operate in the grey between black and white with most things in life.

[Rage_on]

Do WHATEVER the fuck you want to do after you've weighed as many consequences as you can foresee in the given amount I f time before making the decision. After it's done, learn from your mistakes and get better. ALways go for the baddest bitches in you're sphere, and learn. It's a time issue. You have to know when to move on so that while you're learning you're still getting your physiological needs met. Once you bang a 10 you're going want an 11 and you'll never stop wanting. I love banging bitches. It's fun

[RexImperator]

The basic premise of the OP sounds reasonable but I disagree with the title statement. No, it's not.

[The Beast1]

Ugh, when I hit college I had two notches already. I started with some TROLLS. Easy 4s and 5s. I'm impressed i was able to get it up. My friends made fun of me, it ruined my reputation with some decent looking girls that year w/e.

I was just happy getting laid. Dumpster diving be dumpster diving. Each year, the quality of my women got better. Soon I started hitting 6s and 7s with relative ease.

Come my senior year, I had a regular relationship with a girl who was a solid 7. She was a raging sloot, but that was a bench mark for me. I eventually started getting girls who were more attractive than her. Soon enough, I started getting girls in the high 7 and 8 range. Once I graduated, I didn't really have the patience to game average looking girls.

But shit, going through all of those women in school was stupid easy. Considering i'm surrounded by average looking women now, my 100% disinterest in them shows. The abundance mentality has been firmly planted in my mind. This year, I dated one of the hottest girls i've ever been with. Good time, but the relationship was lacking and she eventually broke it off. I won't lie, I didn't really care and she eventually came asking for me back. ;D

Said no, it's time for me to starting dating girls that are my type and of a certain attractiveness. I don't have patience for unfeminine and bitchy behavior so bye bye night game.

I won't lie though, the memories of my dumpster dives haunt me. I cringe at the thought of those women now and the women I've been with now are light years ahead of them. Still, gives me shivers.