[2Birds_1Stone]

When you have to tell chicks you can't talk anymore because you need sleep.

When you're making excuses to get out of continuing the conversation. She says, "Aww. Ok I'll ttyl sweet dreams"

[little wing]

(07-29-2014 12:19 AM)LeBeau Wrote:  

When you get "good morning!" or "wish you were here" type texts from girls you haven't even slept with yet.

Girls who may have criticized you in the past, turned you down, etc. are now excited to make plans when you run into them.

Being able to reflect or observe on turning points in conversations (i.e. when she started trying to please you, when you pleasantly surprised her, when you have said enough to move to the next stage).

Girls actively seek you to be the one they experience new things with (i.e. anal, threesomes, etc).

You can funnel interactions in the direction that you want without seeming to be try hard.

You can drop guy friends without fear of not having someone to wing/party alongside you.

You have enough of an abundance mentality that you are willing to push interactions to the limit and be bold without caring if you burn a particular opportunity. Of course, this confidence often results in well placed boldness and increasing success.

I always notice these moments too, I always feel like I am a surgeon or something during conversations the way I pick up all the little details

[anonymous123]

A. You have chicas in multiple cities.
B. After shutting down said chicas in their respective cities because of too much distraction, you fly to different cities and end up with new chicas there...

[soup]

Girls really want to have to qualify themselves to you if they are attracted.

When your game is strong, you really are qualifying them. While they are talking you are making it clear through your behavior that you are evaluating them and not the other way around. And it's real, because you've already had enough of girl game to be able to tell the difference between quality and shit.

[Cattle Rustler]

(07-28-2014 11:53 AM)Giovonny Wrote:  

I think that improving your looks IS game.

The first step for most guys is to improve their look.

How about these guys pop? They look fly....

[soup]

(07-30-2014 05:46 PM)Cattle Rustler Wrote:  

(07-28-2014 11:53 AM)Giovonny Wrote:  

I think that improving your looks IS game.

The first step for most guys is to improve their look.

How about these guys pop? They look fly....

The funnies thing about this picture is that you have these two guys dressed like freaks surrounded by all these boringly dressed business casual types. That and the fact that Mystery is already tall but wears those gigantic heels. What's the point of going overkill?

[horn]

(07-28-2014 11:53 AM)Giovonny Wrote:  

(07-27-2014 01:17 PM)civpro Wrote:  

A lot of these signs relate to looks, not game.

I think that improving your looks IS game.

Maybe, the most important part of game..
When you look good, you will attract more girls and they will require less convincing.

In Game, I think we often focus too much on what we say and not enough on how we look.
The first step for most guys is to improve their look.

This is definitely step #1 both 'cos it's absolutely true, and because it will give you instant [almost always positive] feedback from girls, esp the hotter ones. And it's also easier than lifting daily for 6mos. {Do both, obvs}

I mean, if you've been working out hard, you have no idea if that's what attracted a girl to you unless she confesses it directly, or can't keep her hands off your biceps/abs. She could have liked 12 other things about you instead. Maybe she doesn't like bulk, or guys with better abs than her. You don't know.

Having a better look than every other guy cues up girls [often the hottest, best-dressed girls in the place] who then open you in a friendly or flirty manner. They instantly want to talk about you, which is a huge IOI. It also allows you to educate them a bit on fashion, which is total catnip to them.

Pocket squares, cufflinks, watch, nice shoes are a must. Different colored lining for your jackets, custom shirts, etc. Your ROI on this stuff is off-the-charts above anything else I can possibly think of.

And virtually none of those things are expensive, either. Your look can go from a 5 to an 8-9 in a couple weeks.

[unbowed]

(07-29-2014 12:19 AM)LeBeau Wrote:  

Girls who may have criticized you in the past, turned you down, etc. are now excited to make plans when you run into them.

If a girl rejects me once and we cross paths again, she's effectively a ghost to me. I've bumped into a few 'rejected' girls on the train whom I've seen squirm in their seats and get all flustered trying to get my attention before finally switching cars. This happens especially if I'm flirting with other girls on the train. I'm sure there's tips and tricks on salvaging the interaction (you needed to display more comfort, she's seen another side of you now), that's nice, but she stays a ghost unless she comes and does all the work (which would most likely only happen in a social circle setting anyway).

Case in point: Direct opened a girl on the street today, she wouldn't stop and said "sorry I gotta go!" I shrug it off and go to the grocery store. I'm getting free samples, bantering with the staff, telling an old lady to try that flavor when the same girl waltzes over and makes eye contact.

I ignore her and go about my business as she frowned and left the grocery store. I gave her an opportunity earlier and she squandered it. Maybe she has a thing about meeting people on the street. That's fine, I have a thing about girls telling me no then wanting me to re-engage. I'm sure she won't die of attention deficit. Her stone's flipped, next.

(07-30-2014 05:52 PM)soup Wrote:  

The funnies thing about this picture is that you have these two guys dressed like freaks surrounded by all these boringly dressed business casual types. That and the fact that Mystery is already tall but wears those gigantic heels. What's the point of going overkill?

Style should have tailored his sleeves unless he was going for the "kid in grandpa's suit" look.

[Travesty]

When you unknowingly bang a virgin until after sex that is a decade your junior and you explain what terrible relationship material you are after she asks if you are now together with her and she says it doesn't bother her and she says she likes you.

She asks your last name in text, you respond:

McHardawn

She knows it's bullshit but won't press further and becomes more attracted.

[horn]

When a girl says you've ruined her for other men. And not just sexually.

[Goldmund]

When guys you don't know come up to you at a bar and high-five, shake your hand, or clink your glass...all because they witnessed you game a chick.

This has happened EVERY night since I have been in Mexico.

I like making friends with the local dudes and introducing them to girls, I'm like a game-angel.

[Smooth Operator]

When a girls almost unconsciously slaps you playfully in the face and looks you in the eyes with the look "how did you turn me on so fast and made this happen" during a same-day lay.

[Fortis]

When you notice more women looking your way and smiling AND you're ready to capitalise on it. The second part is what is most important to me. Women smile, but men don't often approach.

[game_ethic]

When girls deliberately travel long distances just to fuck you and leave.

When a girl lavishes you with gifts and expects nothing in return.

[Nascimento]

Girls giving you the first kiss without you making the move.

Girls taking your number and texting you their name without you asking for it.

[reaper23]

for me lately, the sign has been than i only have any desire to talk to the hottest chick wherever i am. and she expects me to talk to her

[reaper23]

here is a story:

yesterday i'm walking around with my son on the main street. i run into five people I know. men and women. they are all really nice and engaging, say hi to me and the kid. waitresses at my local joint waive to me through the windows. the barber waiting outside for a client says hi reaper23, looking good. a girl in my rotation walks by, we chat, she is flirty/sweet to my son. we go to whole foods and people are pleasant and smiling.

i get to the register and realize i forgot my wallet. since i live a block away, i say, hang on, i'll be right back with my wallet. as i'm walking out with my son, the cashier bangs on the window and says come back. so i do, i'm like what did i leave my wallet in the basket or something.

no, the 25 year old girl at the register next to me decided to just pay for my groceries. she did what? she just randomly paid for my groceries? yep. her right there.

hey you, come on, let me pay you back. whats your name? her: its danny, she says with a wink and turn and walks away without even giving me a chance.

the girl at the other register next to me says, "she paid for your groceries? why?? because of your beard??"

i said, I have no idea why.

my son has been watching all of this all afternoon. random people coming up to say, cute girls stopping to flirt and chat, shop owners and workers waiving to me as i walk by. strangers buying my groceries just because they like the way i was standing there.

I have this entire neighborhood on lock down. and its the best neighborhood for action in the city by far. i'm like a mini celebrity here. and my son got to witness it all first hand with his eyes wide, i'm sure he'd never seen anything like it before.

my game is the tightest its ever been right now, after 6 years or so of being game aware, several years of working my lifestyle game, and the last year really nailing down my look (big and lean and stylish)...its all paying off. i'm more open and outgoing, randomly talking to everyone. people return the energy.

in sum, a sign my game is tight is that not only do i have a bar on lock down, i have an entire neighborhood spanning several city blocks on lock down. and random young women buy my groceries for no reason.

oh and last week, girl #1 in my rotation calls me at 130AM and says she is bringing her friend over for a fuck.

game = strong and improving

[Erasmus]

This thread makes me more and more ambitious
And happy that I can learn that kind of stuff here

[xpatplayer]

Not sure if this one has been mentioned yet:

When you stop hating women / When you start seeing women as playthings

I used to hate American women until very recently. If you wonder why, look around the EE forum and the local news and tell me with a straight face that they're lovable and fuzzy (they may actually be fuzzy since some don't shave/ wax).

Now I see them as playthings. I don't hate them, I adore them for being silly and haughty. Still planning a trip to the DR, Brazil and Japan but now its not (solely) for the women, its for the beaches and general sights. I no longer care about American women being bitches because I see them as immature and cute.

[horn]

When you're at a bar gaming, and tell the girl you'd like a wakeup bj.

And she complies.

[soup]

Good one expat.

[Distant Light]

Lots of awesome ones, a few key milestones...
1. When all you have to do is show up
2. When all women are completely cool with you fooling around with other women including her actual friends
3. When women no longer want to go out unless it's in the company of YOU
4. When women not only look at you but are highly intrigued by you
5. When women constantly talk to other people about you in ways that makes you think "am I a pope or cult leader?"
6. When women THANK YOU for not only having sex with them but giving them the opportunity to have such an amazing overall experience

[Renberg]

For me -- although I have gone on many dates and hooked up with multiple women since joining RVF -- signs of improvement are merely things that I haven't noticed before, which have an impact on me and inspire me to improve my game. Some of these are:

- The feeling of self-worth when a girl contorts her body so she's facing you

- Recognition of the value of simplicity. How such a simple move as wrapping your arm behind a girl's neck often draws her to lean into you. I feel like the arm-around-the-back move is half the escalation needed in and of itself.

- When you act a certain way (different from other men) girls often tell you that you're interesting, shady, or even a funny asshole right to your face. And it's things like these that I never thought I'd be called by a woman. Even though they're not straightforwardly compliments, descriptions like these legitimately flatter me.

[xpatplayer]

Another one:

Discovering game concepts on you own

I recently started adopting my own game and doing my own stuff instead of relying on pre-written game material. I realized that a lot of the stuff I was doing on autopilot was related to game concepts explored by Roissy and others which I hadn't understood before. Now when I read that, I thought, 'Well that explains why that girls responded so well to xyz.'

[AntiTrace]

I think one of the easiest signs that you can actually observe is your ability to lead a conversation in the direction you want it to go. You can also recover from mistakes you (or a wing) make and resurrect a potentially dead conversation.

Last night my buddy and I were talking to two girls outside of a bar. On two separate occasions one girl (the mother hen of the two) was trying to drag the other girl away. This was because my buddy made a few mistakes, like insulting a girl when attempting to neg her.

I recovered the situation both times and ended up with the mother hen's phone number after I dropped some huge bait in a very subtle manner.

Sure sometimes you just get blown out, you can't win them all. However I would say you have strong game when you can control the direction of a conversation and steer it back on course if something distracts her tiny little hamster brain. Double points when you can do it on the fly without thinking about it or needing to resort to a pre scripted pattern or routine.