[lurker]

(07-19-2014 01:06 PM)Days of Broken Arrows Wrote:  

(07-19-2014 12:46 PM)lurker Wrote:  

Except for J Doe, did any of you actually read the article? It's about how she's scared for her sons because the idea of a rape culture means their actions will be prejudged as nonconsensual, even where the concept of nonconsent is ambiguous and impossible to teach.

This is as MRA as it gets; if anything, it's a prime example of a a woman realizing her chickens have come home to roost. It's the same eyeopener as the article by the lawyer mother with the son falsely accused of rape on campus a few months back.

Also, your title is as misleading as they come.

Her essay is unfocused and poorly-written. But I think you misread it.

She's saying we live in a rape culture world -- and if she's buying that crap, she's definitely not MRA. We've done posts on here talking about how sex crimes are fewer and they made it into an ROK article (if anyone has them, please post them here).

Here is part of her opening:

"That was before, before we understood we lived in a rape culture.

A culture of misogynist sexualization and violence against women has reshaped that talk in ways that make me incredibly sad and, at times, overwhelmingly angry because I am a mother to sons—only sons. I am a mother raising the “enemy”."

This is not MRA by any stretch. This is feminist paranoia, male hatred, and fear of men's sexuality.

Yes, it does step into MRA territory when she gets further along: "Sons, yes, love is wonderful BUT you are not allowed to love. Not wholly. Not without restraint. You must check your feelings at the door because every action you make as a male will be held against you. You are guilty until proven innocent, and are always on probation. It’s not your fault. Your purest intentions, your deepest respect for others, will simply not be enough."

But what got her there was the feminist's idea that "all men are rapists" so by the end, she sees her sons as potential victims of women's accusations because so many (anonymous evil) men are part of the alleged "rape culture."

What this woman does not do is make a crucial connection: she doesn't realize that her sons are not all that different than any other mother's sons.

In other words, she doesn't understand that lots of mothers have decent boys, and the anti-male hysteria drummed up on campuses is just that -- hysteria. She's both arrogant and paranoid to think it's only her sons who are the good guys.

If she's reading this, she needs to follow the money and realize that as violent crime plummets, the calls for a police state have heightened because the people whose jobs depend on stoking paranoia (like university feminists) need to justify their jobs and keep the government grants rolling in.

Did you miss this part?

There is a lesson on expectations and knowing where the lines are. NO MEANS NO. Clear (as mud). Concise (but not complete). NO MEANS NO is ambiguous because NO is a moving target, an ever-moving line that changes partner to partner, day to day, mood to mood. Where NO was yesterday, it may not be today. Where NO was ten minutes ago, it may not be now. How the hell do we teach our sons to read THAT map? I always remind them they have the power to say NO, too.

This is a lament of policies that have salted her own earth. She doesn't hate male sexuality as much as fear the repercussions her sons will face for expressing theirs. It's not the usual refrain of the feminist: "male sexuality imposes on me." It's a new one: "male sexuality is dangerous to males in the world I've created."

[MrLemon]

As my own children have grown, I've met plenty of women like this. They are frustrated at the dissonance between their own world view and the destruction being visited upon their sons.

This woman will never "figure it out" because she will never get the true point...her world view (Feminism) is fundamentally, at it's core, a lie. It always was a lie. History will brand it a lie. Her daughters and granddaughters will NOT thank her...they will curse her name.

She will go to her grave not understanding this. It's not my job to try to convince her, any more than it's my job to convince the crazy guy down the street that space aliens did not, in fact, beam mind-control rays into his head.

My job, and my son's and daughters job, is to live the truth, not to waste our time on those who can't see their own harsh reflection in the mirror.

[Tytalus]

Wow. Posted one of the more tame comments here (modified a bit) on her article... And did NOT clear moderation. Gotta love that bubble feminists like to keep themselves in.

[Sargon of Akkad]

Couldn't read through the whole article.
Too. Much. Stupidity.

[Switch]

Hundred bucks says that kid ends up emotionally disturbed, suicidal and in therapy.

[Days of Broken Arrows]

(07-20-2014 11:36 PM)Switch Wrote:  

Hundred bucks says that kid ends up emotionally disturbed, suicidal and in therapy.

Yes, there are going to be problems with her two sons: Elliott and Roger. Hahahahahaa.

[Benoit]

Semi-related article that doesn't deserve its own thread:

#FaithFeminisms: Mamas, Don’t Let Your Babies Grow Up to be “Allies”

Quote:

But as my sons grow older, I desire for them to move beyond these basic proto-feminisms. I want them to identify structural inequalities and injustices, and be motivated to work towards making a more just world. I want them to understand privilege and recognize their own.

They are white, middle-class males*. The deck is stacked in their favor. They will be playing the game on the lowest difficulty setting there is.

I want my sons to be informed by feminism and intersectionality…but I do not want my sons to grow up to be “allies.”

See that "*" up there? Here's the footnote to explain it...

Quote:

*I write this with the recognition that as they grow up, my children may realize that they are transgender or otherwise do not identify as male; and I also do not assume that my children will be straight. Naturally if they are not cisgender, heterosexual men, this will affect the degree of privilege that they carry; I only hope that I can have conversations about privilege and intersectionality with them as children that will be meaningful to their lives as adults regardless of their genders and sexualities.

I doubt any parent has ever had "conversations about privilege and intersectionality" that did anything but fuck their kids up.

She is telling her kids that they are the worst of the worst unless they either dress as women, cut their cocks off, or go homo. That is the only way they can lessen their burden of 'privilege'.


Trigger warning for author photograph, guess what she looks like from the author bio:

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Abi Bechtel is a grad student, wife, and mom of three living in Akron, Ohio. She blogs sporadically and tweets about feminism, church, fat activism, and her cats as @abianne. She has a tattoo of Ursula the Sea Witch and the fashion taste of Miss Frizzle from The Magic School Bus

[El Chinito loco]

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She has a tattoo of Ursula the Sea Witch and the fashion taste of Miss Frizzle from The Magic School Bus

I couldn't make it through her feminist retard drivel but this description stood out for me the most. I have noticed that the tumblr and new age feminist types love to plaster their body with this cutesy infantile horse shit. It's always a cartoon, pop culture, or video game thing that they feel is "quirky" but actually just tells me that i'm looking at a vastly inferior mental midget.

[heavy]

"Feminism was established so as to allow unattractive women easier access to the mainstream of society." - Rush 1988

With her looks, I can understand wanting to hold her son back from pursuing more attractive women.

[Edit: I really fucking hate her ignoring the potential damage her sons may cause society because of her stupidity. At best they'll find the manosphere and ruin women emotionally, at worst they'll inflict physical harm. Because she thinks you can hold back a man's sexual urges forever.]

[DrewP]

I have a rule: To appreciate just how condescending rape culture hysteria is, take any feminist propaganda about it and replace "male" with "black" and "rape culture" with "crime culture." In this case it becomes:

(07-19-2014 07:49 AM)Flint Wrote:  

You are black. You have to pay for the sins of those who came before. You may not be the enemy but you look like him and so you will be treated like him until things change.

There's a quote that would go over well.

[kazz]

   

she has a husband, how on earth could somebody fuck that thing. I feel nauseous.

[Mage]

(12-13-2014 12:22 AM)DrewP Wrote:  

I have a rule: To appreciate just how condescending rape culture hysteria is, take any feminist propaganda about it and replace "male" with "black" and "rape culture" with "crime culture." In this case it becomes:

(07-19-2014 07:49 AM)Flint Wrote:  

You are black. You have to pay for the sins of those who came before. You may not be the enemy but you look like him and so you will be treated like him until things change.

There's a quote that would go over well.

I must disagree. I find it more repulsive when the word "man" is it. Because being a man is more fundamential than being black or white. And bacause I see discrimination for what it is. You still are trained to think that black discrimination is the most quintessential of all discriminations and other discriminations are discriminations only if comparable to it. The programming runs deep, you already understand things but still some absurd PC notions surface.

[Tim in real life]

An Anglo woman like her and her Victorian beliefs are very reasons why I personally have sworn off Anglo women altogether.

In addition, this destructive belief about men further proves that women are the instigators of their own extinction, especially when Anglo-American men, let alone men from Anglo-rooted societies are realizing the very toxicity of gynocentric beliefs of the Anglosphere; as a result, exogamy further dilutes the Anglo bloodline, which is the price of walking out of the very asylum of a culture they have. Then again, there's always genetic engineering to help preserve the Anglo genes.

[blairnaso]

(07-19-2014 07:49 AM)Flint Wrote:  

This woman should be brought to court for [psychological] child abuse. One more sign, that the Anglo-American brand of feminism is nothing more than frigid, anti-pleasure Puritanism minus the religious overtones.

http://kmosullivan.com/raising-sons-rape-culture-world/

Quote:

You are male. You have to pay for the sins of those who came before. You may not be the enemy but you look like him and so you will be treated like him until things change.

As terrible as a person as she is, she is right that he will have to pay.

[Duke Castile]

Maybe I'm missing something here but the part I read posted by the OP looks like she's actually got a pretty good handle on things.

Tells her son not to love wholly.

Tells him he's going to be brought down and persecuted for things he's never done.

"We confuse our youth by empowering them to embrace their sexuality and then we shame them for it."

Sounds very red pill to me. I guess I should go read the whole article but this by itself looks like she's actually concerned that he's going INTO a feminist hell hole.

[KofiKingston]

(12-13-2014 12:22 AM)DrewP Wrote:  

I have a rule: To appreciate just how condescending rape culture hysteria is, take any feminist propaganda about it and replace "male" with "black" and "rape culture" with "crime culture." In this case it becomes:

(07-19-2014 07:49 AM)Flint Wrote:  

You are black. You have to pay for the sins of those who came before. You may not be the enemy but you look like him and so you will be treated like him until things change.

There's a quote that would go over well.

Quite the perspective.

[OBERYN_]

I always assumed/hoped that having sons was an antidote against feminism. That this woman has three sons still views males in such contempt and hatred is alarming. My mother married her high school sweetheart -- going on 31 years, and had only three sons. I'm more of a feminist than her.

I'd love to see what the dad looks like, though he's probably not in the picture.

[dicknixon72]

Quote:

"You may not be the enemy but you look like him..."

And these are the same people who are the first to tag someone as a racist.

[RouteBackwards]

Growing up my grandmother had a lot of say over how I was raised. I remember making a comment about how I thought some woman in a movie was good looking, and my grandmother overheard. She lost her shit and told me that I can't "treat women like that" and that "women aren't just objects." But she went one step further and told me my actions were disgusting and that I wasn't raised to be like that.

This was all over showing interest in the opposite fucking sex.

When I hit high school you best fucking believe that I was this beta fuck who got so nervous talking to women out of fear of offending them.

Now my grandmother sees the shit I do on facebook and messages how she's "worried about me" and how some of the stuff I say is "misogynistic." I feel bad for my uncles directly raised under her, they're the most fucked up brony-loving people you'll ever meet. But you know, feminism is progressive or something.

[getdownonit]

Feminist SJW typist births two sons. Cognitive dissonance implodes her brain from within.

[Hades]

(07-19-2014 05:55 PM)BortimusPrime Wrote:  

The sad thing is that we're basically just giving her credit for not outright hating her own children.

I think it's because "dad" or "mom" is an unwanted job. We can criticize parenting all we want but nobody is going to take somebody else's kids off their hands.